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  1. To date, Google lists 117 news articles reported by the media all around the world, it does not look like it is stopping there yet.

    Please see:

    http://news.google.com.au/news?hl=en&ned=au&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.rfa.org/english/burmese/2006/11/03/burma_wedding

  2. nganadeeleg says:

    Very sad indeed.
    After the taxi crash incident it was obvious that he was seriously ‘disturbed’, and he should have received counselling and with the help of his family and friends hopefully his life could have been saved.
    Whether you are pro or anti coup, I don’t think anyone can be happy about this situation.
    Hopefully some good can come of his death if it highlights the plight of the mentally ill and those suffering depression.

  3. nganadeeleg says:

    That’s one way of looking at it, Andrew, however another take on it could be that they are genuinely worried for their own lives because the know how ruthless Thaksin can be (see the discussion of the ‘war on drugs’ extra judicial killings in another thread).

    You must know that superstition prevails in Thailand.

  4. nganadeeleg says:

    It does not matter whether Thasksin pulled the trigger or not.
    The war on drugs was a Thaksin policy and the murders happened as part of that policy.
    Did Saddam, Pol Pol, Hitler etc personally kill all of their victims?

    The fact that Thaksin implemented such a policy (and did not reign in the extra judicial killings as soon as it became apparent that they were happening) makes him responsible.

    This episode highlights how ruthless Thaksin is, and shows why the coup leaders are still very worried about him.

  5. Bystander says:

    Now.. what about this fortune teller (in Thai):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmRR-hvLpJI

  6. Vichai: I note you haven’t answered my questions in #19, but you are posing questions for me to answer.

    Did Thaksin murder anyone as you say he did?

    I have already stated that:”However, if the police killed someone and they have no defence to the killing then I am against this and have no problem with any prosecution.” Do you know though what percentage of the people who died were killed by the police?

    Your hyperbole gets ahead of you.

  7. jeru says:

    Thaksin had no cause to cause the death of thousands of villagers suspected of ya ba trafficking. It was madness.

    Thaksin clearly deserve to be judicially prosecuted for this particular abuse of the constitutional rule of law . . as a murderer.

  8. jeru says:

    Cheeky – That taxi driver was mentally disturbed and he needed help. His first attempt was nearly fatal and after that all these Thaksinists egged him on … tagging him a hero for such suicidal madness.

    Cheeky you wrote that you try to discourage the man . . . you did not try hard enough I think.

    Was that taxi driver a hero? Of course not! That taxi driver was just one fatally mentally disturbed man who fixated on the coup makers.

  9. cheeky says:

    Reveal the truth of the death of a democratic hero

    Reveal the truth of the death of a democratic hero (Mr. Nuamtong Priwan, the taxi driver who killed himself in protesting for democracy)

    By: a friend of Mr. Nuamtong

    At the end of September, Mr. Nuamtong drove his taxi and slammed it into a tank. He got injured and was admitted to Wachira Hospital. Two days after this incident I went to visit him, he said he had never agreed with military coups that occurred in Thailand. He said it was his determination since the October 14, October 6, and the black May incidents to defiant military coups. He believed that military coups brought the country to a vicious circle that had never ended since 1932. He was not hired or brain washed by anyone. He did not do it for Mr. Thaksin.

    In fact he wanted himself to be killed in the incident, but he was not. His body was badly injured but his heart was hurt even worse. I asked him that did he not worry about his wife and his children. He answered that his wife and his children could support themselves, so he did not worry about them as much as he worried about the country when its democracy was robbed. I asked him had any public figures came to visit him at the hospital. He said there were Dr. Weng, Khru Prateep, and a lawyer. I asked him about his ruined taxi, how he would pay for it. He said the owner of the taxi said he could wait until he is fine again then he could come back to work and slowly pay back for the cost of the smashed taxi. I asked him “why do you have to risk yourself in this manner? The soldier will say you are a stupid man. People would not remember your story for longer than one day. After that all of them would forget about you and you would die for nothing.” He said he did not seek for fame and he did not want anyone to recognize his action. All he wanted was the soldiers to know that there were people out there who did not agree with the coup. He was willing to sacrifice his life for it. He said he was an honorable man who could died for the right course, unlike the soldiers who lied to the public that they would never stage the coup again, yet they did it.

    He told me that he would do something about this again after his recovery. He would like to do it in October, since October was a cursed month (It was in September while I talked to him–he planed to do it before he knew about November 1, gathering). I told him not to kill himself and not to spend a lot of money. I told him he was one of very few people among 65 millions people of Thailand that deserved my respect. He deserved respect much more than those wicked generals who tear off our constitution. He did not say anything and I came out of his room.

    After that I telephoned him often to ask about his physical and mental health. I especially called him on October 6 and 14, since I worried that he would do something dangerous to himself like he had said. He told me he still had his plan but something turned up and he was not able to carry it out. I begged him not to kill himself.

    Yesterday (October 31), I was away and forgot my mobile phone at home. I came back home around 1800 hr and my wife told me that she received a number of calls from someone who would not say who he was from a public telephone booth near democracy monument. At that moment my mobile phone rang, and it was Mr. Nuam who called and said he was about to kill himself. I cried and begged him not to do it. I asked him where he was and I would pick him up. I said if he climbed onto the monument and jumped down, the soldier would pour liquor onto his body and said he was a dead drunk man who loosed his mind. His death would be a waste. He still insisted he would do it, therefore I faked a story to tell him. I said I heard from an internet web site that Gen. Prem and Gen. Sonthi would back off soon. Tomorrow (Nov 1) I would bring him to Sanam Luang to join the anti-coup protest. His voice changed. He sounded more relax. I told him to come back home, since his wife and his children were waiting. He hung up the phone.

    After that I talked to his wife on the phone. I told her about what I had talked to Mr. Nuamtong earlier. His wife told me Mr. Nuamtong had left since in the early morning, said that he would go to see a doctor. After his family had learned about the conversation I had with him, they cried. Everyone in his family knew that Mr. Nuamtong was a strong-minded person. They believed he would finally kill himself for what he believed was right. I told them I had calmed him down and tomorrow I would go to his house to pick him up and we would go to the demonstration together.

    Around 2200 hr, I called his wife again asked about Mr. Nuamtong. His wife said he was not back yet but said he would walk around in a shopping mall to relax himself then he would return home. I was suspicious since at that time it was very late and all of the shopping mall was closed.

    The next morning, around 0800 hr, I called his wife again. His children were on the phone with me. They asked me who I was. I told them I was Mr. Nuamtong friend. His children said their mother was crying since they had heard that their father had died. I murmured I was so sorry and I hung up the phone. I searched for the news and I found the news of his death from the Manager website.

    I would like to send my condolences to Mr. Nuamtong family. He is the real democratic hero.

    P.S.

    1. I was not a member of Thai rak Thai party, but I used to be involved in the October 14 and 6 event, and almost got myself killed in the incidents.

    2. I did not fabricate this story. I call for the Manager website to erase any comments that falsely accusing this real hero as a stupid man who received money and brain washed from Mr. Thaksin. The Manager website also should erase the comments that accusing Mr. Nuamtong for killing himself because he wanted the donated money for his poor family. They also speculated that he was killed by the leader of the Nov 1, protest in order to make the protest more colorful. I cannot understand the people who made these kinds of comments. Why the writers are so hostile? Do they have no sympathy at all in their hearts? Please do not causes any more grieves to his family. They went through a lot already. We Thai people are also grieving with Mr. Nuamtong Priwan family and we will remember this democratic hero for ever.

  10. […] Those who seek to explain (or justify) the overthrow of Thaksin in terms of Thai style democracy may argue that legitimate power in Thailand is based on narrowly defined Buddhist virtue. But it seems that even the Generals recognise the sacred power of peripheral practise. This ritual incursion into Thaksin’s northern heartland is an attempt by the junta to align itself with forms of belief that often disparaged by Thaksin’s critics as superstition, ignorance and voodoo. The Bangkok Post reports that after the ceremony General Sonthi would be visiting northern military units. Power and influence comes in many forms. […]

  11. Bystander says:

    There’s this red card, yellow card thing that disqualified MPs. I don’t really follow it but I think a number of MPs get into trouble with this.. maybe you should start from there as well.

  12. Krid says:

    Ant, the 30-baht scheme improved the position of the poor in that they had a RIGHT to healthcare, and not be at the MERCY of hospital officials, removing the humiliation of people in need of care by often condescending state employees.

  13. Vichai N. says:

    I am directing this question to Bangkok Pundit.

    Pundit . . after reading everything above (there are gruesome reports about the extrajudicials by merely googling) about Thaksin’s extrajudicial murderous rampage in Y2003, can you even begin to justify this patently despicable man Thaksin Shinawatra ever even leading Thailand again?

    And on a purely personal judgement Pundit (forget whether or not the junta or PM Surayud’s government will prosecute Thaksin for the extrajudicials), do you or do you not believe that Thaksin violated the rule of law, Thaksin MURDERED, and he deserved to be jailed for the senseless extrajudicial slaughter of thousands of villagers?

    Patiwat, jeru, James Haughton, nganadeeleg, et al are welcome to submit their judgement of Thaksin Shinawatra on the extrajudicial murders.

  14. chris white says:

    Thanks Ant. Yes I think everybody understood how health care was delivered before the previous government introduced a ‘universal’ health care system. In my post I was commenting on access to the health care system post coup d’état (or stratocracy or Thai democracy or what ever you want to call it.)

  15. Thanks LMS – “buy the votes themselves”. Do you have any examples that show how this worked?

  16. LMS says:

    Thaksin didn’t so much buy votes as buy politicians. After funding them in a fairly big way, they were then able to go out and buy the votes themselves

  17. See Asia Sentinal for an interesting article on \”Thailand\’s New Nannies\”.

  18. Ant says:

    Chris, the free public health for the poorest of the poor is not new as previous to Thaksin, dating back to the early nineties and late eighties public health was negotiated on an ability to pay basis, those who could did, those who couldn’t didn’t, and people’s bills were worked out on this basis so sometimes you would pay a part of the whole.

  19. […] Just a reminder that the invitation still stands for contributions by New Mandala readers on local electoral culture. As I previously posted I am planning to compile contributions into a single document that, I hope, will provide valuable insights into the diversity of electoral practice in Thailand. There have been some great contributions so far, but some more would be very welcome. […]

  20. Patrick Jory says:

    A Singaporean perspective on the Shin Corp-Temasek deal and the 19 September coup, from the Singaporean satirical website, TalkingCock.Com

    ANNALS OF THE DRAGON KING: No Smoke Without Fire
    Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006
    Topic: Diary of the Dragon Prince
    Barry does some firefighting in his imaginary, completely fictitious, wholly unbelievable and totally ludicrous diary.

    18 September 2006 (Monday)

    Dear wife is really in deep shit. Her purchase of Shit Corp in Siam continues to be mired in problems. It is attracting too much attention and causing too much negative publicity for the familee and the Men-In-White (“MIW”). I decided to step in and intervene. I need a diversion. In fact, I can do with a few big diversions.

    The first plan was to create a diversion within the country. It was reported that 550 students in four schools were laid low with diarrhoea caused by a stomach virus. It is not exactly biological warfare but my generals can always do with a few field experiments. Besides, it is only 550 peasants and none died. They should be grateful that my generals helped them to clean out their bowels.

    There is nothing like patriotic and racial issues to really stir up the peasants and divert them from bread-and-butter and money issues. I had to get father to use one of the oldest tricks in his book: create a spat with Melayuland. Father talked about the peasant race being marginalized in the neighbouring country. And he chose to do it in front of a global audience (the World Bank meeting) to create maximum damage. That really generated a lot of controversy and roused angry reactions from the neighbour.

    But still the news about Temasekshimaya and Shit Corp wouldn’t go away. It is time to call on king Yudhoyoyo of Kalimantan and Sumatra for help. He owed us a few favours (and a few billion dollars). Told him I will forgive a few million bucks if he can help throw a smoke screen.

    Yoyo King said he can start the forest fires but he has no control over the wind direction and the rains. I told him to just start the fires, leave the wind and the rain to me. He is powerful but he is only a mere mortal. Only I can negotiate with the God of Wind and the God of Rain.

    Since you are at it, you might as well also start a mud flow in East Java, or even a volcano eruption, I suggested to Yoyo King.

    But still dear wife and that shitty investment in Shit Corp would not stay out of the news. This was in spite of a blanket on coverage imposed on the news media in Peasantland. It is those damn foreign journalists and media who are continuing to give prominent coverage.

    Well, it is that Siam Prime Mini-star Takshit who got us into trouble (it is time to play the blame game). Perhaps it would help if we sever all association with him. It is time to play my final trump card. I called the royals of Siam and asked them for their blessings for a military coup. I offered a package deal: the Peasantland generals will organize and coordinate everything, the Siam army don’t have to do any work. I also guaranteed that no Siam peasants will be killed in the coup. I also threw in offers of political asylum in Peasantland for the deposed cronies, family members and ministers of Takshit. But the clincher was the offer to reduce Temasekshimaya’s stake in Shit Corp thereafter; and would the king like a few shares from the placement exercise to be done by Goldenman Sachs?

    It looks like I have played all my cards. Then the news broke on CNN: North Kimchee has test launched a nuclear missile.

    I called up that mad man in North Kimchee. “Siao eh!” I greeted him. (‘Siao eh’ means ‘mad one’ and frankly, I could not have thought of a more appropriate greeting.)

    “You son of a gun! Thanks for coming to my help. I knew one day you would repay me for all the time that Peasantland has been helping to prop up your regime.”

    Mad man Kim listened politely and then said that he was not thinking of me. And it was not bull-shitting, they did fire a missile. Oh shit…