The answer to your question is no. I, however, am currently in a process of persuading her to hang some pictures of Princess Srirasmi on the wall. I have 100+ of her pictures from her private album saved in my PC. She, however, laughed and said I am crazy every time I propose this idea to her.
@Tarrin – 7
I must correct you a little bit. It is not that I do not support the Monarchy. As long as Srirasmi become the next Queen, I am willing to wait until I see all Royalists who claim themselves as educated as clever worship her and prostrate her feet :p
“letting the junta off of the hook” sure make clear, where your sentiment really is.
Ko Moe Aung
A sentiment that has hold neither logic nor compassion towards the humanity.
What hook? Compared to what?
There is no existing historical comparison, to this military government past actions, beyond garden variety ‘self survival’ that has NOW transformed into total dictatorship.
Thanks to the West short sighted policy and definitely no thanks to you and your ilks sentiment that has been driving this useless careless policy of the West with almost a permanent “low pass”.
I think A Noo NY Mouse is also failing to acknowledge the institutional bias against immigrants by law enforcement. They are often denied council, due process and plead to crimes they aren’t aware of or make plea deals without representation that would explain to them consequences of certain deals over others.
If you do search on witch hunt on Wikipedia, you will see that witch persecutions were taking place in Rome long before Christianity. When Rome converted to Christianity witch persecutions stopped. If you read the history of the Middle Age such as Medieval People by Eileen Edna Power, you will see that many Pagan religion believers were not persecuted. In fact you can see some of those pagan beliefs were integrated into Christianity as evidence with the word like Gospel which came from old English for godspel. And you can see in modern literature such as J. R. Tolkien’s The Lord of The Rings.
The persecution of witches under Christianity didn’t not take place until 1300’s which was around the time of King Philip IV of France. King Philip was in debt to the Knight Templars and also the Knight Templars were rich. Philip wanted their wealth and made up charges against them and had them burnt at the stages. From this event, witch fearing and persecuting begins. The writing you were talking about took place in 1487 which was after the Knight Templars were being systematically eradicated. Just like I said, Philip set the stage for witch hunts by encourage people to persecute them and at the same time you can take possession of their properties and make yourself rich. That was how witch hunt begun and being sustained.
If you read the history of witch hunt in England, it was not until the time of King James in the late 1500’s to early 1600’s when practicing any form of magic was against the laws, which means being herbalists, or magic casters were not against the laws until this time.
The problem with people trying to write history in black and white without ever looking into the details, is that it misled people to take extreme form of reaction. This is the same with Thailand. The UDD leaders spoke repeatedly against labeling your group as being the good guys and the other as the bad guys. As they said, there are good people who are in the amart camp as well as evil, just as the prai are made up of both good and evil people. I know there are people who are in the amart camp trying to polarized the country into those who are loyal to the king and those who are not. They are creating an environment for their own down fall. The worst thing the prai can do is to play into that rule. This fight is not against anyone group or any particular person. Instead this is a fight for social justice and for a transparency social system.
Well Nich, the new conscription law must be their clever answer to any future shortage in the supply of cannon fodder. The existence of a vast army of unemployed youth in both urban and rural areas rather suits them unless these young men opt for a monastic life which most of them do not normally consider as a career choice. What can their parents do even if the umbilical cord can be very long in Burmese families?
The late chairman Brang Seng of the KIO , a former headmaster, gave his reason for entering into peace negotiations with the govt in 1980 in simple mathematical terms – say if a Kachin can kill ten Burmese in this conflict, when all the Kachins are dead there will still remain 20 million Burmese.
Were it not for the ongoing civil wars Thein Sein could definitely expect the next Nobel peace prize, no need to share it with ASSK who had already bagged one.
There is some truth in R.N. England’s assertion that the Burmese Junta gets the blame for the violent cultural conflict there, instead of being seen as a product of it, at the risk of letting the junta off the hook. While it takes two to tango, that’s where the Great White Saviours consistently make a mess of it, their forefathers in their colonial and evangelical zeal and the postmodern generation in their almost inherent patronising do-gooding (seen as meddling) missions among these undemocratic (read barbarian) nations.
And we thought we had problems in Burma. Some of us actually believe the open market economy and interaction with the West would be the answer to all our troubles. Thailand has been doing just that all along. Simply impervious or not quite manna from Western heavens? Perhaps both.
Knowing the history of unequivocal tenacity ( z_where) part of the Bamar trait that has assured their dominance.
Mentioned here by Ko Hla Oo and yes Ko Moe Aung to that effect:
Loss of 4% or even 20% is nothing to the Tamadaw.
Righteous indignation of the Citizenry, so often taken for granted will be absolutely new to history
Especially knowing how the military government has been able to hone their craft to suit their need either at the officer training at Pyin U Lwin or other training centers.
The scenario the West need to be aware is in the specifics of Aung San who has sought the fascist help, with this government the choice is the Chinese or the N. Koreans.
Guess who will be the generals 1st choice if things go south?
This performs a great service to those of us interested in the history and contemporary struggles of lilong neighborhoods but without the time and funding to explore it for ourselves.
To protect valuable cultural landscapes we have used clever mechanisms such as transfer of development rights or conservation easements as less expensive alternatives to land trusts and fee-simple purchase. By removing development potential off the table, the land values stay close to the present “use value” and reduce the distortions of “exchange value.” Is there a mechanism available to Shanghai that could support the close connection between social community and physical neighborhood?
Sorry but I am not sure what “hate-filled rant” or “shrill demagoguery” I engaged in.
Simply pointed out a couple of facts.
a) Democrats had no democratic mandate.
b) It’s a criminal act to use snipers to kill civilians
c) the Democrat government ordered the snipers onto the street.
That was much more likely to influence voting patterns than the kind of slavish support of Thaksin you are suggesting.
In fact, the ordinary Thai people who voted out the government that committed the crimes of 2010 engaged in a proper, dignified, lawful and democratic act.
What could be wrong with that?
Abhisit had his chance and the Thai people made their decision based on almost 3years of his “government”.
They reduced the number of seats the Democrats hold in parliament.
If you took the votes cast in the 2011 Thai election and placed them into any other single democracy on earth it would result in a massive parliamentary landslide that would be much much bigger than that achieved in 2011 by PT.
And just in case you don’t realise a parliamentary election, where electors vote in constituencies, is not an out and out referendum with a yes or no vote. Comparing it to that is a false equivalence as people may have voted differently if they were faced with a straight choice between PT or the Dems.
For example, use this BBC app to see how the a similar PT and Dem vote share would’ve played out in the UK’s parliamentary system. It would’ve resulted in a far far bigger majority for PT than that allowed by the Thai system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8609989.stm
So while a UK education and citizenship is good enough for Korn and Abhisit, even to the point that they’d sign onto the register of voters, anything approaching a UK voting system is not. What is it they keep saying about a “majority”?
And I still rest my case re: this garbage piece of film making.
No, it shouldn’t be censored.
But yes, the far-right wing neo-fascist politics of the filmmakers should be questioned as should the quality of the film itself. Which if going by Ing K’s previous output likely means it is execrable, turgid and unwatchable.
“That coming from the person that vigorously reported on the UDD rallies leading up to the 2010 demonstrations and the riots that followed who did not once mention the content of the speeches he was witnessing.
Nick, you and all your brethren’s duplicity is showing very badly.”
Posting transcripts of thousands o speeches on rallies of both PAD and UDD would be rather boring reading here (i have been covering both sides from the start, and still do so, by the way, not just the UDD, as you allege here). There are other places where you can get recordings of these speeches freely. I am a journalist, and not an academic who analyses speeches on different stages.
But if you try in some convoluted way to say here that i have obfuscated the potential for violence, and violent actions of Red Shirts, – an accusation which i get rather bored with – then you are wrong.
On the opposite – i have done so on numerous occasions. I believe, just to give you one example, i was the first photographer who has even photographed a Red Shirt protester with a fire arm – back in 2008 during the airport occupation, and have published this photo in my first Red vs. Yellow book. I have already during the 2010 crackdown stated openly, and continued to do so, that there were Red Shirt militants existing, and that i have seen them.
What’s your problem with me, “John Smith”, or whoever you are?
Who, please, are my “brethren”?
As far as i am aware of, i work alone and independent, have always done so, and this will hardly change. But maybe you know something i don’t.
And now, can you please argue the points i have raised regarding this topic, instead of issuing personal attacks that have nothing whatsoever to do with either the topic, or with what i have stated here regarding the topic of banning this movie.
Please.
Is there one soul of any nation? No. But is it worthy to discuss what the powers at be in any nation think is the soul of a nation? Yes. The recent banning of Shakespeare Must Die is about the soul of the nation. The ubiquitous presence of royal symbols is about the soul of the nation. This recent elaborate funeral is about the soul of the nation. The protests were also about the soul of a nation.
I feel it’s important to discuss what the officially sanctioned national narrative is. This story is tightly held by certain people. Most importantly what Thai students learn in history reflects what they are going to feel about the soul of their nation.
I think if you are researching the useless deaths of soldiers conscripted or conned by nationalism into useless wars for profit by the ruling classes then you need to cast your net a lot wider than Burma. Does Halliburton ring a bell?
Neither the Burmese or any other war profiting government could care less about the deaths and destruction, broken families, or parent-less children as long as the cash keeps flowing into their accounts, these people have no sense or morality.
Adam said :
Perhaps, you should make the effort to copyright the word officially, locally and internationally. Only then, people would refrain from using the word. Otherwise, sorry, those who have been using the word will continue to use the word.
Pak Yehs reply.
Yeah we should have but there was no copyright act yet then.But now we should be persuing our copyright by suing them and by banning Christian use of Allah.
Shame on Christian.! They have their own gods name,yet the want to steal other peoples gods name. Mischievous Christians..
Adam said:
Malay-speaking Christians have been using Allah with the utmost respect.
Pak Yehs reply
You are totally wrong. Allah is the one god of Muslims. When you say Allah is a third of three, ,you are disrespecting, mocking and blaspheming Allah by reducing him to a third of his original self.
Adam said:
And a rose, by any other name, smells just as sweet. What is in a word? It is up to the individual to put a meaning to it and to what it represents. God, Father, Tuhan, Yehweh, Allah, Jehovah, Elohim, Adonai, etc, etc are names used to refer to God. If people worship God in any Name with reverence and respect, I do not think that He would be angry and burn our posterior as you say.
Pak Yehs reply.
We are not talking about roses. We are talking about gods name. Do you think god wont mind is you changed his name.??? Does your father mind if you change his name.???
Changing someones name,what more Gods name, without his permission is a despicable act. name is one.
His name is Yahweh,you changed it to Father, when you are not his son, then you changed it to Allah. And on top of that you changed the meaning of his name. You Christians are totally mad, and mischievous.
If you dare change my name, ,I definitely will burn your postirior. i am sure god would do the same,or even more terrible.
Adam said:
And I would prefer a discussion to a debate. To me, the Trinity is just another word given to the perceived 3 distinct entities of God. We have God, the Father; God, the Word through Jesus and God, the Holy Spirit. I believe the Koran also refers to Isa (Jesus) as the Word and Spirit of God and that He will be coming back to judge us as Christians also believe He will. Perhaps, Joshua who is studying Theology, would be able to throw more light on this matter of the Trinity. Over to you Joshua.
Pak yehs reply:
The bible quote “The father,the word,and the holy ghoist are one” means the word/message of Gos is the same If you say the word is Jesus, does not make sense,
Agam said:
As such, I would like your opnion about the challenge for a debate on Islam by an ex-Muslim by the name of Ali Sina under his website faithfreedom.org. I have read this site quite sometime ago before it was banned in Malaysia and what I have read was quite shocking and damaging to Islam. It would be interesting if you could be able to join in that debate to clarfy the accusations made and clear the name of Islam. Over to you, Pak Yeh.
Pak Yehs reply :
Why should anybody belief inAli Sina.??? Is he a prophet.??? Where is his book that is better than prophet Mohammads book and his deeds in developing the Arabs to the pinacle of success. wjile it lasted until corruption crept in..
“Is twenty years in a Thai prison for an old man with cancer for the crime of sending text messages so much different from how the government of the USSR would have treated dissent? ”
A very apt comparison , Jack. And while comparing Thailand to the USSR we should remember the Chiang Rai student who protested with his friends against the deaths at Ratchaprasong in 2010 and was immediately sent for psychiatric treatment. Very Soviet Union.
Nick N # 4 …If this movie contains calls for violence against political opponents, then there would be ample reason for a ban
That coming from the person that vigorously reported on the UDD rallies leading up to the 2010 demonstrations and the riots that followed who did not once mention the content of the speeches he was witnessing.
Nick, you and all your brethren’s duplicity is showing very badly.
…like 95% of the opposition to Thaksin, prefer less democracy than more as the solution to what they see as the problem. They don’t want to go out and beat Thaksin at the ballot box but to “take over” in a coup or via support for the fascistic PAD (oh go on, make my day and tell me the PAD are not fascist).
Really Andrew? 95%? As some 51% of the people in the 2011 election did not choose Thaksin’s party on their ballot, you are saying that over half the people that voted in that election prefer less democracy?
Amazing, since every poll ever conducted showed something like 90% of the Thai people favor democracy.
However, for the moment we will only be publishing high-quality comments that make original contributions to discussion…. Repetitive ranting, unimaginative point-scoring and idle abuse will not be entertained.
Perhaps the editors of NM would explain how Andrew’s latest post got past this criteria. I think we all know the answer to that.
Putting aside your shrill demagoguery, the reality is she likely voted for the MP candidate for her district that was supported by the same faction as she always does. The issue of the 2010 demonstrations and riots probably was not much of an issue compared to the pork barrel promises that were made.
No, democracy is great, but it is people like you that make that these hate filled rants that are that screw it up just as much as someone that would support a coup.
Particularly disgusting is that the Democrats now try to generate votes by claiming that it was “their” day of remembering their heroes, such as Romklao. Unsurprisingly, hardliner Korn is in the middle of the action. See
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10 April 2010
@John Smith – 2
The answer to your question is no. I, however, am currently in a process of persuading her to hang some pictures of Princess Srirasmi on the wall. I have 100+ of her pictures from her private album saved in my PC. She, however, laughed and said I am crazy every time I propose this idea to her.
@Tarrin – 7
I must correct you a little bit. It is not that I do not support the Monarchy. As long as Srirasmi become the next Queen, I am willing to wait until I see all Royalists who claim themselves as educated as clever worship her and prostrate her feet :p
3,000 dead Burmese soldiers?
“letting the junta off of the hook” sure make clear, where your sentiment really is.
Ko Moe Aung
A sentiment that has hold neither logic nor compassion towards the humanity.
What hook? Compared to what?
There is no existing historical comparison, to this military government past actions, beyond garden variety ‘self survival’ that has NOW transformed into total dictatorship.
Thanks to the West short sighted policy and definitely no thanks to you and your ilks sentiment that has been driving this useless careless policy of the West with almost a permanent “low pass”.
10 April 2010
John Smith – 2
Just because some people doesnt pro the monarch doesnt mean they will automatically pro Thaksin. You are making it too simple (and shallow?).
CT – 1
Actually I’ve taken mine down on the 19 Sep 2006.
Cambodian American exiles won’t meet Obama
I think A Noo NY Mouse is also failing to acknowledge the institutional bias against immigrants by law enforcement. They are often denied council, due process and plead to crimes they aren’t aware of or make plea deals without representation that would explain to them consequences of certain deals over others.
Don’t stand out in Thailand
Jack
If you do search on witch hunt on Wikipedia, you will see that witch persecutions were taking place in Rome long before Christianity. When Rome converted to Christianity witch persecutions stopped. If you read the history of the Middle Age such as Medieval People by Eileen Edna Power, you will see that many Pagan religion believers were not persecuted. In fact you can see some of those pagan beliefs were integrated into Christianity as evidence with the word like Gospel which came from old English for godspel. And you can see in modern literature such as J. R. Tolkien’s The Lord of The Rings.
The persecution of witches under Christianity didn’t not take place until 1300’s which was around the time of King Philip IV of France. King Philip was in debt to the Knight Templars and also the Knight Templars were rich. Philip wanted their wealth and made up charges against them and had them burnt at the stages. From this event, witch fearing and persecuting begins. The writing you were talking about took place in 1487 which was after the Knight Templars were being systematically eradicated. Just like I said, Philip set the stage for witch hunts by encourage people to persecute them and at the same time you can take possession of their properties and make yourself rich. That was how witch hunt begun and being sustained.
If you read the history of witch hunt in England, it was not until the time of King James in the late 1500’s to early 1600’s when practicing any form of magic was against the laws, which means being herbalists, or magic casters were not against the laws until this time.
The problem with people trying to write history in black and white without ever looking into the details, is that it misled people to take extreme form of reaction. This is the same with Thailand. The UDD leaders spoke repeatedly against labeling your group as being the good guys and the other as the bad guys. As they said, there are good people who are in the amart camp as well as evil, just as the prai are made up of both good and evil people. I know there are people who are in the amart camp trying to polarized the country into those who are loyal to the king and those who are not. They are creating an environment for their own down fall. The worst thing the prai can do is to play into that rule. This fight is not against anyone group or any particular person. Instead this is a fight for social justice and for a transparency social system.
3,000 dead Burmese soldiers?
Well Nich, the new conscription law must be their clever answer to any future shortage in the supply of cannon fodder. The existence of a vast army of unemployed youth in both urban and rural areas rather suits them unless these young men opt for a monastic life which most of them do not normally consider as a career choice. What can their parents do even if the umbilical cord can be very long in Burmese families?
The late chairman Brang Seng of the KIO , a former headmaster, gave his reason for entering into peace negotiations with the govt in 1980 in simple mathematical terms – say if a Kachin can kill ten Burmese in this conflict, when all the Kachins are dead there will still remain 20 million Burmese.
Were it not for the ongoing civil wars Thein Sein could definitely expect the next Nobel peace prize, no need to share it with ASSK who had already bagged one.
There is some truth in R.N. England’s assertion that the Burmese Junta gets the blame for the violent cultural conflict there, instead of being seen as a product of it, at the risk of letting the junta off the hook. While it takes two to tango, that’s where the Great White Saviours consistently make a mess of it, their forefathers in their colonial and evangelical zeal and the postmodern generation in their almost inherent patronising do-gooding (seen as meddling) missions among these undemocratic (read barbarian) nations.
Don’t stand out in Thailand
And we thought we had problems in Burma. Some of us actually believe the open market economy and interaction with the West would be the answer to all our troubles. Thailand has been doing just that all along. Simply impervious or not quite manna from Western heavens? Perhaps both.
3,000 dead Burmese soldiers?
@#1
Thank you.
Knowing the history of unequivocal tenacity ( z_where) part of the Bamar trait that has assured their dominance.
Mentioned here by Ko Hla Oo and yes Ko Moe Aung to that effect:
Loss of 4% or even 20% is nothing to the Tamadaw.
Righteous indignation of the Citizenry, so often taken for granted will be absolutely new to history
Especially knowing how the military government has been able to hone their craft to suit their need either at the officer training at Pyin U Lwin or other training centers.
The scenario the West need to be aware is in the specifics of Aung San who has sought the fascist help, with this government the choice is the Chinese or the N. Koreans.
Guess who will be the generals 1st choice if things go south?
Placing Shanghai
This performs a great service to those of us interested in the history and contemporary struggles of lilong neighborhoods but without the time and funding to explore it for ourselves.
To protect valuable cultural landscapes we have used clever mechanisms such as transfer of development rights or conservation easements as less expensive alternatives to land trusts and fee-simple purchase. By removing development potential off the table, the land values stay close to the present “use value” and reduce the distortions of “exchange value.” Is there a mechanism available to Shanghai that could support the close connection between social community and physical neighborhood?
Thank you Mr. Wang!
10 April 2010
John Smith
Sorry but I am not sure what “hate-filled rant” or “shrill demagoguery” I engaged in.
Simply pointed out a couple of facts.
a) Democrats had no democratic mandate.
b) It’s a criminal act to use snipers to kill civilians
c) the Democrat government ordered the snipers onto the street.
That was much more likely to influence voting patterns than the kind of slavish support of Thaksin you are suggesting.
In fact, the ordinary Thai people who voted out the government that committed the crimes of 2010 engaged in a proper, dignified, lawful and democratic act.
What could be wrong with that?
Abhisit had his chance and the Thai people made their decision based on almost 3years of his “government”.
They reduced the number of seats the Democrats hold in parliament.
What clearer message could they give?
Double, double toil and trouble…
John Smith
If you took the votes cast in the 2011 Thai election and placed them into any other single democracy on earth it would result in a massive parliamentary landslide that would be much much bigger than that achieved in 2011 by PT.
And just in case you don’t realise a parliamentary election, where electors vote in constituencies, is not an out and out referendum with a yes or no vote. Comparing it to that is a false equivalence as people may have voted differently if they were faced with a straight choice between PT or the Dems.
For example, use this BBC app to see how the a similar PT and Dem vote share would’ve played out in the UK’s parliamentary system. It would’ve resulted in a far far bigger majority for PT than that allowed by the Thai system. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8609989.stm
So while a UK education and citizenship is good enough for Korn and Abhisit, even to the point that they’d sign onto the register of voters, anything approaching a UK voting system is not. What is it they keep saying about a “majority”?
And I still rest my case re: this garbage piece of film making.
No, it shouldn’t be censored.
But yes, the far-right wing neo-fascist politics of the filmmakers should be questioned as should the quality of the film itself. Which if going by Ing K’s previous output likely means it is execrable, turgid and unwatchable.
As for Ing K – move the K to the start…
Ho hum.
Double, double toil and trouble…
“John Smith”:
“That coming from the person that vigorously reported on the UDD rallies leading up to the 2010 demonstrations and the riots that followed who did not once mention the content of the speeches he was witnessing.
Nick, you and all your brethren’s duplicity is showing very badly.”
Posting transcripts of thousands o speeches on rallies of both PAD and UDD would be rather boring reading here (i have been covering both sides from the start, and still do so, by the way, not just the UDD, as you allege here). There are other places where you can get recordings of these speeches freely. I am a journalist, and not an academic who analyses speeches on different stages.
But if you try in some convoluted way to say here that i have obfuscated the potential for violence, and violent actions of Red Shirts, – an accusation which i get rather bored with – then you are wrong.
On the opposite – i have done so on numerous occasions. I believe, just to give you one example, i was the first photographer who has even photographed a Red Shirt protester with a fire arm – back in 2008 during the airport occupation, and have published this photo in my first Red vs. Yellow book. I have already during the 2010 crackdown stated openly, and continued to do so, that there were Red Shirt militants existing, and that i have seen them.
What’s your problem with me, “John Smith”, or whoever you are?
Who, please, are my “brethren”?
As far as i am aware of, i work alone and independent, have always done so, and this will hardly change. But maybe you know something i don’t.
And now, can you please argue the points i have raised regarding this topic, instead of issuing personal attacks that have nothing whatsoever to do with either the topic, or with what i have stated here regarding the topic of banning this movie.
Please.
Critical review of King Bhumibol’s life
Srithanonchai,
Is there one soul of any nation? No. But is it worthy to discuss what the powers at be in any nation think is the soul of a nation? Yes. The recent banning of Shakespeare Must Die is about the soul of the nation. The ubiquitous presence of royal symbols is about the soul of the nation. This recent elaborate funeral is about the soul of the nation. The protests were also about the soul of a nation.
I feel it’s important to discuss what the officially sanctioned national narrative is. This story is tightly held by certain people. Most importantly what Thai students learn in history reflects what they are going to feel about the soul of their nation.
3,000 dead Burmese soldiers?
I think if you are researching the useless deaths of soldiers conscripted or conned by nationalism into useless wars for profit by the ruling classes then you need to cast your net a lot wider than Burma. Does Halliburton ring a bell?
Most decorated US Marine General: Purpose of all US wars is billions for insiders’ profits: http://www.examiner.com/la-county-nonpartisan-in-los-angeles/most-decorated-us-marine-general-purpose-of-all-us-wars-is-billions-for-insiders-profits
Neither the Burmese or any other war profiting government could care less about the deaths and destruction, broken families, or parent-less children as long as the cash keeps flowing into their accounts, these people have no sense or morality.
Islamic fundamentalists, Christian threats, Freudian slips
Adam said :
Perhaps, you should make the effort to copyright the word officially, locally and internationally. Only then, people would refrain from using the word. Otherwise, sorry, those who have been using the word will continue to use the word.
Pak Yehs reply.
Yeah we should have but there was no copyright act yet then.But now we should be persuing our copyright by suing them and by banning Christian use of Allah.
Shame on Christian.! They have their own gods name,yet the want to steal other peoples gods name. Mischievous Christians..
Adam said:
Malay-speaking Christians have been using Allah with the utmost respect.
Pak Yehs reply
You are totally wrong. Allah is the one god of Muslims. When you say Allah is a third of three, ,you are disrespecting, mocking and blaspheming Allah by reducing him to a third of his original self.
Adam said:
And a rose, by any other name, smells just as sweet. What is in a word? It is up to the individual to put a meaning to it and to what it represents. God, Father, Tuhan, Yehweh, Allah, Jehovah, Elohim, Adonai, etc, etc are names used to refer to God. If people worship God in any Name with reverence and respect, I do not think that He would be angry and burn our posterior as you say.
Pak Yehs reply.
We are not talking about roses. We are talking about gods name. Do you think god wont mind is you changed his name.??? Does your father mind if you change his name.???
Changing someones name,what more Gods name, without his permission is a despicable act. name is one.
His name is Yahweh,you changed it to Father, when you are not his son, then you changed it to Allah. And on top of that you changed the meaning of his name. You Christians are totally mad, and mischievous.
If you dare change my name, ,I definitely will burn your postirior. i am sure god would do the same,or even more terrible.
Adam said:
And I would prefer a discussion to a debate. To me, the Trinity is just another word given to the perceived 3 distinct entities of God. We have God, the Father; God, the Word through Jesus and God, the Holy Spirit. I believe the Koran also refers to Isa (Jesus) as the Word and Spirit of God and that He will be coming back to judge us as Christians also believe He will. Perhaps, Joshua who is studying Theology, would be able to throw more light on this matter of the Trinity. Over to you Joshua.
Pak yehs reply:
The bible quote “The father,the word,and the holy ghoist are one” means the word/message of Gos is the same If you say the word is Jesus, does not make sense,
Agam said:
As such, I would like your opnion about the challenge for a debate on Islam by an ex-Muslim by the name of Ali Sina under his website faithfreedom.org. I have read this site quite sometime ago before it was banned in Malaysia and what I have read was quite shocking and damaging to Islam. It would be interesting if you could be able to join in that debate to clarfy the accusations made and clear the name of Islam. Over to you, Pak Yeh.
Pak Yehs reply :
Why should anybody belief inAli Sina.??? Is he a prophet.??? Where is his book that is better than prophet Mohammads book and his deeds in developing the Arabs to the pinacle of success. wjile it lasted until corruption crept in..
Don’t stand out in Thailand
“Is twenty years in a Thai prison for an old man with cancer for the crime of sending text messages so much different from how the government of the USSR would have treated dissent? ”
A very apt comparison , Jack. And while comparing Thailand to the USSR we should remember the Chiang Rai student who protested with his friends against the deaths at Ratchaprasong in 2010 and was immediately sent for psychiatric treatment. Very Soviet Union.
Double, double toil and trouble…
Nick N # 4
…If this movie contains calls for violence against political opponents, then there would be ample reason for a ban
That coming from the person that vigorously reported on the UDD rallies leading up to the 2010 demonstrations and the riots that followed who did not once mention the content of the speeches he was witnessing.
Nick, you and all your brethren’s duplicity is showing very badly.
Double, double toil and trouble…
Andrew S. #10
…like 95% of the opposition to Thaksin, prefer less democracy than more as the solution to what they see as the problem. They don’t want to go out and beat Thaksin at the ballot box but to “take over” in a coup or via support for the fascistic PAD (oh go on, make my day and tell me the PAD are not fascist).
Really Andrew? 95%? As some 51% of the people in the 2011 election did not choose Thaksin’s party on their ballot, you are saying that over half the people that voted in that election prefer less democracy?
Amazing, since every poll ever conducted showed something like 90% of the Thai people favor democracy.
However, for the moment we will only be publishing high-quality comments that make original contributions to discussion…. Repetitive ranting, unimaginative point-scoring and idle abuse will not be entertained.
Perhaps the editors of NM would explain how Andrew’s latest post got past this criteria. I think we all know the answer to that.
10 April 2010
Andrew # 3
Putting aside your shrill demagoguery, the reality is she likely voted for the MP candidate for her district that was supported by the same faction as she always does. The issue of the 2010 demonstrations and riots probably was not much of an issue compared to the pork barrel promises that were made.
No, democracy is great, but it is people like you that make that these hate filled rants that are that screw it up just as much as someone that would support a coup.
10 April 2010
Particularly disgusting is that the Democrats now try to generate votes by claiming that it was “their” day of remembering their heroes, such as Romklao. Unsurprisingly, hardliner Korn is in the middle of the action. See
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/288326/govt-tries-to-forget-deaths-of-soldiers