This was pretty much expected but is a shocker nonetheless. “The court ruled that Ampon failed to provide credible evidence to back up his defence.” Yes, he didn’t but equally the prosecution failed to provide more than circumstantial evidence to support the claim that he did it. The prosecution’s case seemed to leave significant, reasonable doubt that he sent the messages himself. In addition there was no obvious motive or record of any past anti-monarchist behaviour. Of course it is possible that he really did send the messages but in a case like this where there is no firm evidence and reasonable doubt cannot be dispelled a jury in a common law jurisdiction would not be permitted to convict. But then Thailand is not subject to juries, common law or even any discernible form of rule of law.
Strange that the Yingluck government with its avowed interest in democracy is not lifting a finger to help those oppressed by Section 112 or, more to the point, moving on reform of the law. Priorities seem to be more towards bringing Thaksin home, curbing freedom of expression in the media and legal amendments to allow them a free hand in military reshuffles with nary a peep about Section 112.
Can somebody post some information on Somkiat? He is the one who, after receiving four anonymous SMS messages, chose to prosecute rather than just delete them. Would it be appropriate to hold him and his judgment up to public scrutiny?
Pressure on the government to show “loyalty” does not only come from the royalist aphichon’s political party, the Democrats (who have recently been so proud of providing a “constructive opposition”), but also from its very own newspaper, the Bangkok Post.
In an editorial published on November 23, Yingluck was urged to publicly confess her guilt in having tried to use the king as a political tool “to rescue the convicted felon Thaksin” on the occasion of the amnesty issue.
The relevant sentences of the editorial read,
“Never has politics been allowed to intrude into the auspiciousness of pardons and the great events around them.
(…) Under no circumstances should any faction or party be allowed to inject politics into the gracious granting of pardons and remissions of sentence.
The draft decree should never have been written, but because it intruded on such an auspicious event, the government must account for its actions.”
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The people of Thailand have seen enough. It’s time for this teetering pyramid of fear, grovelling, and tyranny to be swept aside to make way for democracy. Only then will brave and merciful Thais be filled pride in their country instead of shame.
Instead of you asking Paul Handley to confirm the events, why don’t you yourself do it? It is very simple. If you doubt whether something he said really happened or not, use google to get more information. It’s the internet era now, and any information in the world is available at your fingertip.
I never knew anything about the massacre on 6 October 1976 because this event was not taught in school. After I read chapter 12 of TKNS, I wonder whether it was true that the Monarchy was behind such a cruel massacre. Thus I googled the information. Then there were many academic articles about the events, as well as photographs to serve as “real evidence” of what happened on that day. Do not ask someone to confirm what they said; do it yourself. Only when you seek the information you want yourself then you will really know what happened. And you will never forget it, because you are the one who search for it yourself.
Good luck in finding more information. We are lucky to live in an era where internet is available. Use it to benefit 🙂
@Vichai asked:
Maybe you should hang out with different Thai friends CT? Stay away from negative people, places and whatever.
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Hahaha, thank you for the tip. The reason I still don’t really ‘break’ my friendship with these friends I have is because I believe that most of my Thai friends are actually kind at heart. I know many of them since primary/middle schools, and they are great parts of my childhood. Many of them are nice and sincere, but now they are just too fanatical to the Monarchy that they would wish anyone who does not love him to be killed. I believe one day they will realise that they were wrong and change their thinking. That’s why I wouldn’t break my friendship with them.
One can only hope that the complainant, Mr Somkiat, the private secretary of Mr Abhisit has recovered from the “upset” and will sleep well tonight in the knowledge that this denagerous crimninal will be behind bars for the rest of his life.
I’m sure Mr Abhisit is proud of this contribution to the lustre of the -cough- Democrat Party.
Htoo Htoo Han
it is not one man show, see bigger picture.do not follow the bottom of a woman’s salon(htamian) Daw aung san suu kyi had told to people of burma, democracy is not come by me everyone job to do.
Burmese pair retract crimes claim http://www.couriermail.com.au
NUNDAH’S Htoo Htoo Han and Zillmere’s Moon Hsar claimed in July to have murdered up to 70 people in their war-torn Burma homeland in a bid to gain attention and bring to light wrongs committed by the International Criminal Court (ICC) and United Nations (UN).
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Htoo Htoo Han Keep fighting yourself, what ever you can do for our freedom, also ask your self… are you a crow (talk) or a peacock (action)? in our history, the leader stands in front and doesn’t cowardly stand behind for others to fight for them.
I have had about 30 minutes for the shock and horror to sink in. Mr. Amphong, a.k.a. “Uncle SMS” has been until this point the convenient offender, old, poor, uneducated, and unable to defend himself. He is a hapless victim. It is quite possible he didn’t send the offending text messages; even if he did, the prosecutors should have done a pass on this one simply on the basis of mercy and possible issues of the mental health of the alleged perpetrator. I feel very, very sorry for him. I am guessing that most other people, when they hear the facts and see the photo, will as well. Therefore, it is our duty to humanity to spread this photo as far and as wide as we can.
This is a lesson to Amnesty International as well. If you choose to ignore a human rights issue like Lese Majeste and Article 112 it doesn’t go away, it only festers and gets much worse. Time to wake up and do your job!
Simon Creak has drawn our attention to the increasingly subtle reconfiguring of memory in Laos today, not just by the government but by respectable international organizations like the World Bank too.
One source of this, I would contend, is the confusion that has emerged among visitors to Laos and foreigners working there about whether it is more correct to call the country ‘Laos’ or ‘Lao’ because the ‘s’ is absent in the Lao language. There is a reason why an ‘s’ may be added to ‘Lao’, and that is to transform it into a noun. Thus, the term ‘Lao’ is an adjective; with the ‘s’ added it becomes a noun. This is a logical solution to a linguistic problem within most European languages, or one may say a resource that these languages have. Some people seem to think that the written ‘s’ is silent, but this is simply a rationale for the observed difference between the spelling of Laos and the fact that many people these days do not pronounce the ‘s’ when speaking.
The confusion is set to continue. But it is worth noting the political and stylistic confusions that accompany it. The people who have had the biggest impact on English usage in Laos are the international aid organizations and the embassies. Between them they produce mountains of documents in which they have ‘solved’ this problem in a most ugly way stylistically. Instead of using ‘Lao’ as both an adjective and a noun in these documents (which is how most of them use it in speech) they continually forgo the noun form in favour of the adjectival, i.e. they write the Lao PDR, endlessly. Some unconsciously recognise the problem and try to turn the adjective into a noun, such as with ‘in Lao PDR’. Laos or Lao would be so much simpler. Furthermore, it has produced confusions between the country of Laos and the current regime, the LPDR. If the Lao PDR is your pseudo noun, how do you refer to the country before this regime was in power? In one case I saw a graph series for the ‘Lao PDR’ stretching from the 1950s into the 1990s! Of course, the Lao PDR has only existed since December 1975. Even the American Embassy tripped itself up when in 2005 it celebrated 50 years of diplomatic relations between ‘The USA and the Lao PDR’. They of all people should have been aware that they initially established diplomatic relations with the Royal Lao Government in Laos. No doubt the Lao PDR itself is very happy to see such slipping and sliding in historical memory as it garners to itself all the ‘good’ things that have happened in Laos’ recent past.
“Most of my Thai friends are those so called ‘Salims’ ie. those middle class to upper middle class Bangkokians who look down on rural Thais as uneducated peasants, and they are those people who are fanatical to the Monarchy to the extreme and will usually condemn people who are convicted of LM that ‘they should die, they should rot in jail for speaking bad things against the K, they are betrayer of our nation and deserve to be hanged etc. (other ridiculously barbaric and uncivilised remarks; you name it). ” – CT(#7)
Maybe you should hang out with different Thai friends CT? Stay away from negative people, places and whatever.
All my friends (all educated Thais) on the contrary received with shock, disbelief and dismay this recent LM case against a near illiterate Thai. This is the type of LM case that should never have been tried . . . LM deserves to be abolished because of its repeated abuse.
And why was he ignored completely by the Red Shirt leaders (who should have provided support and a more capable lawyer) at the very outset?
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
This was pretty much expected but is a shocker nonetheless. “The court ruled that Ampon failed to provide credible evidence to back up his defence.” Yes, he didn’t but equally the prosecution failed to provide more than circumstantial evidence to support the claim that he did it. The prosecution’s case seemed to leave significant, reasonable doubt that he sent the messages himself. In addition there was no obvious motive or record of any past anti-monarchist behaviour. Of course it is possible that he really did send the messages but in a case like this where there is no firm evidence and reasonable doubt cannot be dispelled a jury in a common law jurisdiction would not be permitted to convict. But then Thailand is not subject to juries, common law or even any discernible form of rule of law.
Somyot’s trial
Strange that the Yingluck government with its avowed interest in democracy is not lifting a finger to help those oppressed by Section 112 or, more to the point, moving on reform of the law. Priorities seem to be more towards bringing Thaksin home, curbing freedom of expression in the media and legal amendments to allow them a free hand in military reshuffles with nary a peep about Section 112.
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
From the Times of London.Editorial of 24.11.2011
“Thailand’s childish, idiotic lèse-majesté law is a stain on that nation’s standing in the world.”
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
Can somebody post some information on Somkiat? He is the one who, after receiving four anonymous SMS messages, chose to prosecute rather than just delete them. Would it be appropriate to hold him and his judgment up to public scrutiny?
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
More details on the case here including some very surprising comment from the trial judge.
https://bitly.com/va6x3G
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
See Tyrell Haberkorn’s comments at Prachatai: http://prachatai.com/english/node/2909
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
#4
Pressure on the government to show “loyalty” does not only come from the royalist aphichon’s political party, the Democrats (who have recently been so proud of providing a “constructive opposition”), but also from its very own newspaper, the Bangkok Post.
In an editorial published on November 23, Yingluck was urged to publicly confess her guilt in having tried to use the king as a political tool “to rescue the convicted felon Thaksin” on the occasion of the amnesty issue.
The relevant sentences of the editorial read,
“Never has politics been allowed to intrude into the auspiciousness of pardons and the great events around them.
(…) Under no circumstances should any faction or party be allowed to inject politics into the gracious granting of pardons and remissions of sentence.
The draft decree should never have been written, but because it intruded on such an auspicious event, the government must account for its actions.”
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
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Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
The people of Thailand have seen enough. It’s time for this teetering pyramid of fear, grovelling, and tyranny to be swept aside to make way for democracy. Only then will brave and merciful Thais be filled pride in their country instead of shame.
Interview with Paul Handley
Khun Janthisa,
Instead of you asking Paul Handley to confirm the events, why don’t you yourself do it? It is very simple. If you doubt whether something he said really happened or not, use google to get more information. It’s the internet era now, and any information in the world is available at your fingertip.
I never knew anything about the massacre on 6 October 1976 because this event was not taught in school. After I read chapter 12 of TKNS, I wonder whether it was true that the Monarchy was behind such a cruel massacre. Thus I googled the information. Then there were many academic articles about the events, as well as photographs to serve as “real evidence” of what happened on that day. Do not ask someone to confirm what they said; do it yourself. Only when you seek the information you want yourself then you will really know what happened. And you will never forget it, because you are the one who search for it yourself.
Good luck in finding more information. We are lucky to live in an era where internet is available. Use it to benefit 🙂
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
@Vichai asked:
Maybe you should hang out with different Thai friends CT? Stay away from negative people, places and whatever.
—
Hahaha, thank you for the tip. The reason I still don’t really ‘break’ my friendship with these friends I have is because I believe that most of my Thai friends are actually kind at heart. I know many of them since primary/middle schools, and they are great parts of my childhood. Many of them are nice and sincere, but now they are just too fanatical to the Monarchy that they would wish anyone who does not love him to be killed. I believe one day they will realise that they were wrong and change their thinking. That’s why I wouldn’t break my friendship with them.
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
One can only hope that the complainant, Mr Somkiat, the private secretary of Mr Abhisit has recovered from the “upset” and will sleep well tonight in the knowledge that this denagerous crimninal will be behind bars for the rest of his life.
I’m sure Mr Abhisit is proud of this contribution to the lustre of the -cough- Democrat Party.
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
Words fail me utterly.
Htoo Htoo Han the confessor
thanks to who made comments on me, i love you all.
Htoo Htoo Han the confessor
Htoo Htoo Han
it is not one man show, see bigger picture.do not follow the bottom of a woman’s salon(htamian) Daw aung san suu kyi had told to people of burma, democracy is not come by me everyone job to do.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/north/burmese-pair-retract-war-crimes-claim-burma-junta-executions-un-icc/story-fn8m0rl4-1226130658704?fb_ref=rec-top&fb_source=profile_oneline
Burmese pair retract crimes claim
http://www.couriermail.com.au
NUNDAH’S Htoo Htoo Han and Zillmere’s Moon Hsar claimed in July to have murdered up to 70 people in their war-torn Burma homeland in a bid to gain attention and bring to light wrongs committed by the International Criminal Court (ICC) and United Nations (UN).
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Denise Irwin likes this.
Htoo Htoo Han Keep fighting yourself, what ever you can do for our freedom, also ask your self… are you a crow (talk) or a peacock (action)? in our history, the leader stands in front and doesn’t cowardly stand behind for others to fight for them.
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
Shame, Shame, Shame.
Thailand is a disgrace to freedom in the world. May the tyrants suffer the same fate as thier victims.
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
I have had about 30 minutes for the shock and horror to sink in. Mr. Amphong, a.k.a. “Uncle SMS” has been until this point the convenient offender, old, poor, uneducated, and unable to defend himself. He is a hapless victim. It is quite possible he didn’t send the offending text messages; even if he did, the prosecutors should have done a pass on this one simply on the basis of mercy and possible issues of the mental health of the alleged perpetrator. I feel very, very sorry for him. I am guessing that most other people, when they hear the facts and see the photo, will as well. Therefore, it is our duty to humanity to spread this photo as far and as wide as we can.
This is a lesson to Amnesty International as well. If you choose to ignore a human rights issue like Lese Majeste and Article 112 it doesn’t go away, it only festers and gets much worse. Time to wake up and do your job!
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
If you know that such behaviors could land you in jail, then what was the reason to do it then whine about it when you are convicted ?
The World Bank and acceptable royalist history in Laos
Simon Creak has drawn our attention to the increasingly subtle reconfiguring of memory in Laos today, not just by the government but by respectable international organizations like the World Bank too.
One source of this, I would contend, is the confusion that has emerged among visitors to Laos and foreigners working there about whether it is more correct to call the country ‘Laos’ or ‘Lao’ because the ‘s’ is absent in the Lao language. There is a reason why an ‘s’ may be added to ‘Lao’, and that is to transform it into a noun. Thus, the term ‘Lao’ is an adjective; with the ‘s’ added it becomes a noun. This is a logical solution to a linguistic problem within most European languages, or one may say a resource that these languages have. Some people seem to think that the written ‘s’ is silent, but this is simply a rationale for the observed difference between the spelling of Laos and the fact that many people these days do not pronounce the ‘s’ when speaking.
The confusion is set to continue. But it is worth noting the political and stylistic confusions that accompany it. The people who have had the biggest impact on English usage in Laos are the international aid organizations and the embassies. Between them they produce mountains of documents in which they have ‘solved’ this problem in a most ugly way stylistically. Instead of using ‘Lao’ as both an adjective and a noun in these documents (which is how most of them use it in speech) they continually forgo the noun form in favour of the adjectival, i.e. they write the Lao PDR, endlessly. Some unconsciously recognise the problem and try to turn the adjective into a noun, such as with ‘in Lao PDR’. Laos or Lao would be so much simpler. Furthermore, it has produced confusions between the country of Laos and the current regime, the LPDR. If the Lao PDR is your pseudo noun, how do you refer to the country before this regime was in power? In one case I saw a graph series for the ‘Lao PDR’ stretching from the 1950s into the 1990s! Of course, the Lao PDR has only existed since December 1975. Even the American Embassy tripped itself up when in 2005 it celebrated 50 years of diplomatic relations between ‘The USA and the Lao PDR’. They of all people should have been aware that they initially established diplomatic relations with the Royal Lao Government in Laos. No doubt the Lao PDR itself is very happy to see such slipping and sliding in historical memory as it garners to itself all the ‘good’ things that have happened in Laos’ recent past.
Thailand’s latest lese majeste disgrace
“Most of my Thai friends are those so called ‘Salims’ ie. those middle class to upper middle class Bangkokians who look down on rural Thais as uneducated peasants, and they are those people who are fanatical to the Monarchy to the extreme and will usually condemn people who are convicted of LM that ‘they should die, they should rot in jail for speaking bad things against the K, they are betrayer of our nation and deserve to be hanged etc. (other ridiculously barbaric and uncivilised remarks; you name it). ” – CT(#7)
Maybe you should hang out with different Thai friends CT? Stay away from negative people, places and whatever.
All my friends (all educated Thais) on the contrary received with shock, disbelief and dismay this recent LM case against a near illiterate Thai. This is the type of LM case that should never have been tried . . . LM deserves to be abolished because of its repeated abuse.
And why was he ignored completely by the Red Shirt leaders (who should have provided support and a more capable lawyer) at the very outset?