So where does this comfortableness with violence, this Buddhist hypocrisy, this tolerance – indeed, glorification – of mass killing derive from?
“The War on Drugs itself, perhaps the most shameful chapter in Thaksin’s tenure as Prime Minister, was inspired by none other than King Bhumibol, who spoke of such a ‘war’ in his 2002 birthday speech. Shortly thereafter, Privy Councilor Phichit Kunlawanit waxed genocidal about the need to execute as many as sixty thousand drug dealers and drug fiends to deliver the nation of any residual ‘bad karma.’ And once Thaksin had declared victory, in time for His Majesty’s birthday, King Bhumibol publicly endorsed the campaign, noting that ‘victory in the War on Drugs is good.’ He went on to say ‘They may blame the crackdown for more than 2,500 deaths, but this is a small price to pay. If the Prime Minister failed to curb [the drugs trade], over the years the number of deaths would easily surpass this toll.'”
– Federico Ferrara, “Thailand Unhinged: The Death of Thai-Style Democracy”, Page 70
Without a popular revolution nothing will change in Thailand. The army will torture and kill with impunity, Police will still use corrupt practices, judges will always rule for the elite, govts will tinker around the edges without confronting real problems and the status quo will continue with lucrative passtimes of the elite still going on whilst small fry bear the consequences. We cannot really discuss anything in a proper manner as we are restricted under 112. That of course is if we live in Thailand. Thailand will never grow up whilst 112 is in force as this stops anyone from researching 20th/21st century history of the country and the main players within Thai society. YL is from the capitalist class and does not want to upset the apple cart. Therefore the problem of the drugs barons in this country will not be addressed and their minnions will die in this war on drugs as their masters laugh all the way to the bank.
[Note: You clowns who defend mass killing and consider yourselves to be Buddhist, please go back to the ***words of the Lord Buddha*** and read, please. đŸ™‚ ]
“Thai children also lack a real education with many dropping out to become the fodder for those who influence them to take and sell drugs. Thailand’s democracy is a fraud when it targets the plethora of small sellers and thousands of users while the people at the top with major political and security connections go free”
Just wondering if John #15 is refering to the USA, with reference to drugs sale and usage?
@Dan #9: Full disclosure: I know that the author is Thai because she’s a personal friend of mine! More to the point, I don’t think her argument is that the elites in question are not responsible for these violent and ineffective policies, but that holding them to account and pressuring them to adopt a different tact is made much more difficult when the old way of doing things enjoys widespread popular support. The question I keep coming back to is: why are so many Thai’s willing to accept this?
I think Tarrin #9 is on to something when he says that Thailand’s apparent comfort with violence is “decades in the making” and I think he’s right that the acceptance of violence as a norm ties in closely with the breakdown of “the rule of law”. Thailand is often a place where “the law is as the law does”, and when the law shoots people it doesn’t like the foundations of “nation” and “community” stand on very shaky ground.
We are under a “government of laws”, not a “government of men”. But if someone can plant drugs among your belongings, and if you are then required to prove that the drugs are not yours (which you can’t), then you are under a government of men, namely of those who are willing to plant evidence. Therefore the reverse onus of proof cannot be valid in any jurisdiction.
Without real reform in Thailand’s military or police forces the problems with drugs in Thailand will prevail as there is just too much easy money to be made especially by those who are meant to protect the nation.
Thai children also lack a real education with many dropping out to become the fodder for those who influence them to take and sell drugs.
Thailand’s democracy is a fraud when it targets the plethora of small sellers and thousands of users while the people at the top with major political and security connections go free.
The rule of law must be set for all on Thailand’s wobbly ladder of social justice, not just targeting and striking fear into those who are the most vulnerable.
Dr. Zachary Abuza is Professor of National Security Strategy at the National War College at the National Defense University.
Mid-level and senior Unidted States military officers who are likely to be promoted to the most senior ranks are selected to study at the War College in preparation for higher staff and command positions along with some students from the US State Department.
The above referenced study is dated Septembert 2011, and contains detailed analysis of the various Thai governments policies regarding the South and the lack of focus on the issue by the Bangkok-centric politicians.
why is Thai society so comfortable with state violence,
not just state but violence in general, I think the case of nonesense killing has been sky-rocking rectly (an ex-police officer was shot because of 1.2 baht change and so on).
When people felt like the law don’t serve them then they will start taking things to their own hand. This is not just happened recently, Thailand has a really bloody history and this “comfortable with violence” is a decades of making.
Btw want to add abit to Roy Anderson statement
” The problem in Thailand is that people have drummed into them loyalty and obedience to the state.”
Not “state” but Monarchy rather. Maybe everyone should give a bit research on the Malee Wua Pa drug root.
I fear that this will be pinned on Yingluck, the same it was for Thaksin. One person spoke, the government responded. See a pattern? And how could they not? They have NO CHOICE.
It just reinforced the image that NOTHING concrete will change in the near future. The problems didn’t came from the Shinnawatras, so removing them would’t make it better.
Some story maybe look complicated. In the past US had a blacklist for Thai Politician who prepared to be a PM. That reason made a change in person to got Thai PM to Mr.Anand .I am surprisedin politician involved in drug in the past.
#4
Certainly, but perhaps worth remembering that it actually did get very private. It was more or less, “They are targeting my son and so they must pay”. Did he never stop to imagine how his significant resources could be used to help his son. (The rest of us would never have that comfort.) More to the point, did he never stop to think where the real profits were going? But the answer was probably (and remains) too controversial for comfort. So grunts died and took the proof to their funeral pyres.
I wouldn’t argue with your original point, but it seems obvious to me that the Shinawatras show no sign of acting any better when handed power on a plate.
Not sure the author is Thai, Doug. Doesn’t change the point much though, does it? (Why is he/she blaming his/her powerless self for the obvious sins of the rich?)
“When is this blood[y] libel going to stop?”
Libel cases are just another form of suppression. Especially when the judiciary does whatever the current government wants it to do. Every government department is in the process of capitulation to the rising-star exchequer-raiding PT wannabes right now. They will probably be no better and no worse than Abhiset – who I blame for doing his worst to make sure we got this awful puppet government.
@ Doug Olthof,
I agree with you on Thai society’s unquestioning of violence against the so called people involved in the drugs trade. It reminds me of the radio presenter in Chiangmai who was murdered last year. He was reported to have drugs in his possession when murdered by the establishment. He was a Red supporter who his friends state that he had nothing to do with drugs. The press did not challenge the police statements. The war on drugs will be used as a vendetta against political opponents as well as drugs trafficers whilst the top people are left alone. The problem in Thailand is that people have drummed into them loyalty and obedience to the state. They have been brainwashed. However, not all the brainwashing by the Amaart is successful. Lets just hope that the voice of reason soon arrives in Thailand as well as the rest of the world. It needs a leader with courage to stand up and fight back against this very profitable war at our expense. YL does not come into that category.
Indeed, most democracies have stagnated in recent years Doug. Elections can even appear to have been stolen. What is truly condescending is the idea that you write laws and then ignore them for your own ease.
Oh come on Frustrated Reader. They shot themselves in the back right? Of course Abhiset did nothing. Another elite scared shitting on his own doorstep. Who cares whether Thaksin directly sanctioned it or not. More to the point he did nothing to stop it.
@Dan: the author is Thai, so “us” is the correct pronoun. Further, dismissing the Thai electorate as gullible is both condescending and unhelpful. Is the US electorate, for example, any less so?
@frustrated reader: to suggest a leader can only be held responsible for the excesses of his subordinates if he personally orders those excesses is ludicrous.
@Roy Anderson: while I agree in principal, it has to be acknowledged that many members of Thai officialdom (from low level police officers to who know how high up) benefit directly from both the illegal market in drugs and the war against it. Until some modicum of transparency develops in Thai governance, we won’t see any change in this demonstrably counterproductive approach.
The question that this piece raises for me is: why is Thai society so comfortable with state violence, given it’s repeated deployment against innocent citizens over the decades and the lack of any sincere effort to account for those acts on the part of the state?
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
So where does this comfortableness with violence, this Buddhist hypocrisy, this tolerance – indeed, glorification – of mass killing derive from?
“The War on Drugs itself, perhaps the most shameful chapter in Thaksin’s tenure as Prime Minister, was inspired by none other than King Bhumibol, who spoke of such a ‘war’ in his 2002 birthday speech. Shortly thereafter, Privy Councilor Phichit Kunlawanit waxed genocidal about the need to execute as many as sixty thousand drug dealers and drug fiends to deliver the nation of any residual ‘bad karma.’ And once Thaksin had declared victory, in time for His Majesty’s birthday, King Bhumibol publicly endorsed the campaign, noting that ‘victory in the War on Drugs is good.’ He went on to say ‘They may blame the crackdown for more than 2,500 deaths, but this is a small price to pay. If the Prime Minister failed to curb [the drugs trade], over the years the number of deaths would easily surpass this toll.'”
– Federico Ferrara, “Thailand Unhinged: The Death of Thai-Style Democracy”, Page 70
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Without a popular revolution nothing will change in Thailand. The army will torture and kill with impunity, Police will still use corrupt practices, judges will always rule for the elite, govts will tinker around the edges without confronting real problems and the status quo will continue with lucrative passtimes of the elite still going on whilst small fry bear the consequences. We cannot really discuss anything in a proper manner as we are restricted under 112. That of course is if we live in Thailand. Thailand will never grow up whilst 112 is in force as this stops anyone from researching 20th/21st century history of the country and the main players within Thai society. YL is from the capitalist class and does not want to upset the apple cart. Therefore the problem of the drugs barons in this country will not be addressed and their minnions will die in this war on drugs as their masters laugh all the way to the bank.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Disgrace to Buddhism.
That is all that needs be said.
For any defense of mass killing.
[Note: You clowns who defend mass killing and consider yourselves to be Buddhist, please go back to the ***words of the Lord Buddha*** and read, please. đŸ™‚ ]
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
“Thai children also lack a real education with many dropping out to become the fodder for those who influence them to take and sell drugs. Thailand’s democracy is a fraud when it targets the plethora of small sellers and thousands of users while the people at the top with major political and security connections go free”
Just wondering if John #15 is refering to the USA, with reference to drugs sale and usage?
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
@Dan #9: Full disclosure: I know that the author is Thai because she’s a personal friend of mine! More to the point, I don’t think her argument is that the elites in question are not responsible for these violent and ineffective policies, but that holding them to account and pressuring them to adopt a different tact is made much more difficult when the old way of doing things enjoys widespread popular support. The question I keep coming back to is: why are so many Thai’s willing to accept this?
I think Tarrin #9 is on to something when he says that Thailand’s apparent comfort with violence is “decades in the making” and I think he’s right that the acceptance of violence as a norm ties in closely with the breakdown of “the rule of law”. Thailand is often a place where “the law is as the law does”, and when the law shoots people it doesn’t like the foundations of “nation” and “community” stand on very shaky ground.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
We are under a “government of laws”, not a “government of men”. But if someone can plant drugs among your belongings, and if you are then required to prove that the drugs are not yours (which you can’t), then you are under a government of men, namely of those who are willing to plant evidence. Therefore the reverse onus of proof cannot be valid in any jurisdiction.
More: http://is.gd/noreverse .
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Without real reform in Thailand’s military or police forces the problems with drugs in Thailand will prevail as there is just too much easy money to be made especially by those who are meant to protect the nation.
Thai children also lack a real education with many dropping out to become the fodder for those who influence them to take and sell drugs.
Thailand’s democracy is a fraud when it targets the plethora of small sellers and thousands of users while the people at the top with major political and security connections go free.
The rule of law must be set for all on Thailand’s wobbly ladder of social justice, not just targeting and striking fear into those who are the most vulnerable.
Pavin Chachavalpongpun at the ANU
Federico Ferrara has posted his paper on his blog: http://khikwai.com/blog/2011/09/27/l%E2%80%99etat-ce-n%E2%80%99est-plus-moi/
Anatomy of southern Thailand’s insurgency: Some preliminary insights
Dr. Zachary Abuza is Professor of National Security Strategy at the National War College at the National Defense University.
Mid-level and senior Unidted States military officers who are likely to be promoted to the most senior ranks are selected to study at the War College in preparation for higher staff and command positions along with some students from the US State Department.
The above referenced study is dated Septembert 2011, and contains detailed analysis of the various Thai governments policies regarding the South and the lack of focus on the issue by the Bangkok-centric politicians.
Anatomy of southern Thailand’s insurgency: Some preliminary insights
Came across an interesting paper, on this topic written recently. Written from an American policy perspective.
Take a look link at end.
The Ongoing Insurgency in Southern Thailand:
Trends in Violence, Counterinsurgency Operations,
and the Impact of National Politics
Center for Strategic Research
Institute for National Strategic Studies
National Defense University
By Zachary Abuza
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/docUploaded/Strategic%20Perspectives%206_Abuza%20.pdf
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Doug olthof – 5
why is Thai society so comfortable with state violence,
not just state but violence in general, I think the case of nonesense killing has been sky-rocking rectly (an ex-police officer was shot because of 1.2 baht change and so on).
When people felt like the law don’t serve them then they will start taking things to their own hand. This is not just happened recently, Thailand has a really bloody history and this “comfortable with violence” is a decades of making.
Btw want to add abit to Roy Anderson statement
” The problem in Thailand is that people have drummed into them loyalty and obedience to the state.”
Not “state” but Monarchy rather. Maybe everyone should give a bit research on the Malee Wua Pa drug root.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
@Roger – Thaksin was neither accountable to the legislature nor his own cabinet. It was his war.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
I fear that this will be pinned on Yingluck, the same it was for Thaksin. One person spoke, the government responded. See a pattern? And how could they not? They have NO CHOICE.
It just reinforced the image that NOTHING concrete will change in the near future. The problems didn’t came from the Shinnawatras, so removing them would’t make it better.
It’s a nasty cycle, isn’t it?
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Some story maybe look complicated. In the past US had a blacklist for Thai Politician who prepared to be a PM. That reason made a change in person to got Thai PM to Mr.Anand .I am surprisedin politician involved in drug in the past.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
#4
Certainly, but perhaps worth remembering that it actually did get very private. It was more or less, “They are targeting my son and so they must pay”. Did he never stop to imagine how his significant resources could be used to help his son. (The rest of us would never have that comfort.) More to the point, did he never stop to think where the real profits were going? But the answer was probably (and remains) too controversial for comfort. So grunts died and took the proof to their funeral pyres.
I wouldn’t argue with your original point, but it seems obvious to me that the Shinawatras show no sign of acting any better when handed power on a plate.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Not sure the author is Thai, Doug. Doesn’t change the point much though, does it? (Why is he/she blaming his/her powerless self for the obvious sins of the rich?)
“When is this blood[y] libel going to stop?”
Libel cases are just another form of suppression. Especially when the judiciary does whatever the current government wants it to do. Every government department is in the process of capitulation to the rising-star exchequer-raiding PT wannabes right now. They will probably be no better and no worse than Abhiset – who I blame for doing his worst to make sure we got this awful puppet government.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
@ Doug Olthof,
I agree with you on Thai society’s unquestioning of violence against the so called people involved in the drugs trade. It reminds me of the radio presenter in Chiangmai who was murdered last year. He was reported to have drugs in his possession when murdered by the establishment. He was a Red supporter who his friends state that he had nothing to do with drugs. The press did not challenge the police statements. The war on drugs will be used as a vendetta against political opponents as well as drugs trafficers whilst the top people are left alone. The problem in Thailand is that people have drummed into them loyalty and obedience to the state. They have been brainwashed. However, not all the brainwashing by the Amaart is successful. Lets just hope that the voice of reason soon arrives in Thailand as well as the rest of the world. It needs a leader with courage to stand up and fight back against this very profitable war at our expense. YL does not come into that category.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Indeed, most democracies have stagnated in recent years Doug. Elections can even appear to have been stolen. What is truly condescending is the idea that you write laws and then ignore them for your own ease.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
Oh come on Frustrated Reader. They shot themselves in the back right? Of course Abhiset did nothing. Another elite scared shitting on his own doorstep. Who cares whether Thaksin directly sanctioned it or not. More to the point he did nothing to stop it.
War on drugs: Yingluck’s turn
@Dan: the author is Thai, so “us” is the correct pronoun. Further, dismissing the Thai electorate as gullible is both condescending and unhelpful. Is the US electorate, for example, any less so?
@frustrated reader: to suggest a leader can only be held responsible for the excesses of his subordinates if he personally orders those excesses is ludicrous.
@Roy Anderson: while I agree in principal, it has to be acknowledged that many members of Thai officialdom (from low level police officers to who know how high up) benefit directly from both the illegal market in drugs and the war against it. Until some modicum of transparency develops in Thai governance, we won’t see any change in this demonstrably counterproductive approach.
The question that this piece raises for me is: why is Thai society so comfortable with state violence, given it’s repeated deployment against innocent citizens over the decades and the lack of any sincere effort to account for those acts on the part of the state?