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  1. Pieter says:

    Walk around Pattaya, Phuket, Koh Samui, Hat Yai, Sukhumvit, Silom, even Chiang Mai – the hordes of single Islamic males from the Gulf States, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, the package groups from China, the families from India, the Korean/Japanese, Malaysians, European and Australian males. Even the female backpacker crowd. It ain’t 5-Star tourism. It ain’t about the temples and “traditional Thai culture”.

    Thai tourism (despite the TAT fantasy/deslusion) is all about sun, sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll. Either as voyeurs or participants. With the peasants and poor providing the “service” and the rich ending up with all the dough.

  2. totila says:

    Direct consequence of sanctions? Geographical proximity, especially a land border with China, as well as her resources to bear and time spent engaging the regime in cuddles, should count for something more one would think.

    There are two or more sides to the sanctions issue and while a case can certainly be made that sanctions have hurt ordinary people in ways, aren’t other more focused ones (military equipment, dual use technologies, visa restrictions, etc) useful or at any rate have forced an annoying if minor diversion of assets to Dubai. That there would be an influx of outside officials and traders less concerned with how odious their new business dinner companions are is a given. Trade is not something utterly sacrosanct, needed to be placed on a pedestal above political considerations for the greater common good. Part of being sovereign means one’s leaders (and however much input the citizenry has in such policy) do not have to trade with those they do not wish to. The current sanctions do not exist for the interest of just one person. Please also consider the interests of those political prisoners in the jails, those in IDP camps along the borders, those whose land was recently confiscated in Mon State, those soon to get an unwanted rush of water near Myitsone, and the list goes on. Of course Western countries could drop all sanctions and, indeed, offer Yangon a much wider array of weaponry, albeit more expensive than than China can, and presto, some magical “influence” might ensue. Perhaps even a UN vote or two by Burma for the Americans and Europeans…dare to dream.

  3. Moe Aung says:

    aggadassavin,

    It’s a nice illusion to think the US & EU would act in the interests of one person, albeit someone who still represents the majority of the people and not by coercion or sleight of hand, or those of an entire nation.

    Yes, we hear the analogy to Cuba all the time. Granted China’s role is crucial both in the UNSC and across the border, only these days it’s wearing a bit thin since ASEAN, Russia, India and both Koreas have all been important players, not least Singapore and Thailand among them. The isolation argument does not hold water anymore as in Ne Win’s days when the isolation was self-imposed. The geostrategic issues apply to all although it exercises the US the most as it poses a real challenge to its dominance in today’s world.

    The Americans and Europeans will always have an agenda of their own. And they’ve been itching for Burma to join the new world order, not that Burma on its part is uninterested, there’s China’s shining example .

    The sticking point unfortunately remains relentless repression, not least the denial of the presence of 2000 prisoners of conscience and renewed conflict with the minorities. Granted the ‘new improved’ regime is going through the motions of extending an olive branch to ASSK and relaxing its iron rule, the West promptly following the cue eyeing on one of the world’s largest remaining relatively untapped markets for them.

    Engagement requires some kind of positive response, some quid pro quo, or it becomes appeasement. ASSK’s engagement with the generals is a case in point, now the wall seems to have ears all of a sudden when they want something in return. The generals are consummate players staying ahead and on top of the game. You underestimate them at your peril.

    We are a nation in a hurry both the rulers and the ruled, I can assure you. There are more ways than one to skin a cat. All options must be on the table.

  4. Derek Dangle says:

    The verbs used in the most important Pali Suttas on mindfulness – the Satipaс╣нс╣нh─Бna and Mah─Б-Satipaс╣нс╣нh─Бna Suttas (M no. and D no. respectively) – are assasati and passasati, i.e.’ inhale’ and ‘exhale’. The same verbs are used in the K─Бyagat─Бsati Sutta and ─Аn─Бp─Бnasati Sutta (M no. 118 and 119 respectively). Although the ─Аn─Бp─Бnasati Sutta uses the nouns ─Бna and ap─Бna in its title, it reverts to assasati and passasati in the discourse itself. The author of this article should try reading the Pali texts cited rather than drawing inferences from the title of a single text. Had he done so, he would see that the Pali texts prescribe no such thing as farting meditation.

  5. planB says:

    “The $64,000 question is what happens after they have achieved their goals. If the track record of the ruling generals is anything to go by, as soon as the people try and push this ‘disciplined democracy’ a little harder with renewed confidence , the mask is all too likely to slip, reverting to their old habits of zero tolerance to dissent and pluralism.”

    Fear of the future justify:
    1) The present ongoing infliction by the knowing west of this useless careless nature of, deprivation of the citizenry.

    2) To show the disapproval of their unsupported and unelected government!

    Hmm

    Ko Moe Aung

    What if the generals get what they want and resort to the worst you have described.

    Re slapping the complete present sanctions and all the useless careless accouterments can still be done easily!

    What has the west got to loose beside proving the citizenry their sincerity even for that short period?

    On the other hand you and the yahoos, for purely vindictive purpose rabidly support the west that
    1st
    ‘Sanctions does not hurt the ordinary citizenry’ then
    when the first failed
    ‘Sanction hurt the generals more’ lies.

    Has more to loose.

    But not more than the citizenry of Myanmar.

    Can always say “I told you so”, Eh.

    Just watch how the generals play the west:

    1) By being politely intransigent, so that sanction remain in place, yet win the sympathy of ASEAN members and high lighting the well known ‘Ugly American’ phenomena, and continue on with their business as usual co-atrocity on the weaken citizenry while blaming the west.

    2) Win more brownie point with Uncle Wen and brother Kim who are actually their reliable benefactors in the foreseeable future.

    3) Attain ASEAN Chairmanship 2┬║ to approval votes from Vietnam, Indonesia etc and even Thailand.

  6. Brian says:

    That was a very interesting read. While I’m interested in the author’s response to J.F.D. McKechnie’s comment, the portions concerning the impact of the modern printing press and the western-created Pali Text Society on the textual resources available to practicing Southeast Asian Buddhists is fascinating. I do wonder though – when was the first print edition of a Thai translation of the Pali Canon made in Siam? Was it put together independently of the efforts of the Pali Text Society? And how did it translate pr─Бс╣Зa and ap─Бna?

  7. aggadassavin says:

    Moe Aung,
    The reason why China has been able to realise its geostrategic aims in Myanmar is a direct consequence of sanctions. The reason why the generals turned to China is because European and American sanctions gave them no choice.
    The Americans and the Europeans need to decide whether they want to act in the interests of the well-being of all the Myanmar people, rather than just one of them.

  8. sion brooks says:

    As Pamela Nowicka comments in The No-Nonsense Guide to Tourism, its interesting how many tourism campaigns of destinations, their videos and pictures feature no local people in them, only landscapes and so for the would-be holidaymaker it’s almost as if a local culture doesn’t much exist!

  9. Moe Aung says:

    aggadassavin,

    a) First, Burma’s human rights violations are an ongoing concern, especially because it’s relentless and against the minorities near genocidal. The abuse is blatant and widespread, all well publicized too, not least the presence of refugee camps over the Thai border, like they are Asia’s Palestinians .

    Unlike Vietnam or Laos, or China for that matter, the abuse is not limited, sporadic or behind the scenes. Public opinion matters in the West and even in ASEAN member states where they have an electorate they cannot blithely ignore. What’s more ASEAN wants to remain in the good books of the US.

    ASEAN member states after all have signed up to all the good ethical principles worthy of any respectable regional grouping in the world. The rhetoric must have at least some bearing on practice. The West on the other hand must seize the moral high ground at all times.

    b) Secondly the geopolitical considerations that are peculiar to Burma. It is right smack between India and China, with very significant and enduring Chinese patronage and protection, contributing to its geostrategic aims which poses a real dilemma for the West and limits the options for intervention.

    Witness the charm offensive launched by the ‘new’ Burmese govt wooing ASSK , relaxing press censorship, lifting the ban on Internet websites etc., all in aid of
    a) securing the Chair of ASEAN and
    b) lifting of the sanctions.

    The $64,000 question is what happens after they have achieved their goals. If the track record of the ruling generals is anything to go by, as soon as the people try and push this ‘disciplined democracy’ a little harder with renewed confidence , the mask is all too likely to slip, reverting to their old habits of zero tolerance to dissent and pluralism.

  10. sion brooks says:

    “Besides what tourism may often lack in cross-cultural understanding it more than makes up for in cold hard cash – probably more of a contribution to the livelihoods of ordinary Thais than some unread thesis gathering dust on a shelf.”

    Yeah but if we as tourists are to respect and be sensitive to the culture of the country we visit then we rely on the work of these anthropologists to do that. This is especially the case when anthropological books are targeted towards the tourist and lay reader. Yes money is fine in the short term but what about the long term? In a world where local cultures and languages which people rely on for their identity and meaning in life are vanishing ever so quickly; for thais or anyone, relying on money from culturally insensitive but rich tourists is no way to lead a life.

    “To my mind we are all outsiders and voyeurs. ” Not sure this is such a great attitude, how would the diverse ethnic groups all round the world have ever have assimilated so successfully in so many countries if they thought like this?

    Talking of my culture, there’s a Gaelic Proverb that says: the bonds of milk are stronger than the bonds of blood. Milk in this case means what is given and received by a person is important not who they happen to be. I believe in a community, you belong as much as you are willing to love and be loved, i.e. how much you understand, respect and give to a community and accept in return is equal to how much you belong.

  11. J.F.D. McKechnie says:

    Should we nominate the author for the Ignoble Prize?

  12. Bill says:

    As a longtime Vientiane resident, I’m mostly struck by the relative myopia of the cables. They cover a period of intense change in the country, and they are mostly saying nothing is changing, besides some material about their own relationships with the Lao government improving. Broadly they are far more about what Washington cares about (Hmong; money laundering; who the Lao government votes for at various UN meetings; limited progress on western style democratization) than what people in this country care about. The ADB piece is more about frustration that ADB is not pushing a different political system on the country than a critique of aid effectiveness per se. All in all, I came away with a sense of a parallel universe. Probably no different from other country’s cables if they leaked them all, but a little disturbing nevertheless.

  13. Stuart says:

    WLH (8)

    Let’s not to refer to a certain person as “a certain person” on this website.

    For the sake of sending the MICT’s search engine optimisation toolkit into overdrive, please allow me to edit your very good point as follows:

    “Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn’s decision to videotape his wife wearing only a hat and eating cake off the floor…”

  14. Can it be that people are… Shocked!.. to discover that the Phuea Thai Party are the elitist left hand to the Royal Thai Army’s elitist right hand?

    Did you expect to hear the sound of one hand clapping?

    Thailand is out of the fire and into the frying pan. It’s movements like the UPD that will continue, doing the heavy lifting and bringing about reform in Thailand.

    Yingluck seems just another pretty face.

  15. aggadassavin says:

    I don’t understand why there is a problem with Myanmar being chair of ASEAN, when it has been held by Vietnam and Laos, both of which are totalitarian communist dictatorships with poor human rights records.

  16. J.F.D. McKechnie says:

    Please consider the phrase from the discourse on mindfulness of breathings: “and establishing mindfulness at the front, ever mindful he breathes in, mindful he breathes out.” (parimukhaс╣Б satiс╣Б upaс╣нс╣нhapetv─Б, so sato va assasati, sato passasati.)
    How we would ever be able to set up mindfulness at the front with winds inside the body? Also the verb forms which fit easily with breathing, would not fit at all with winds inside the body over which we do not have much control.

    The words in Sanskrit are not what the author quotes, in Monier-Williams, they are:
    ─Бna – ─Бn├б, m. (fr. an), face [NBD.]; mouth; nose [S─Бy.] RV. i, 52, 15; exhaling the breath through the nose T.; inhalation, breath inspired, breathing, blowing L.
    and
    ap─Бn – ap├вn, ( an), ap├вniti, or ap├вnati [AV. xi, 4, 14], to breathe out, expire ┼ЪBr. xiv ChUp.; pr. p. ap├вn├бt mf(tяаР)n. breathing out RV. x, 189, 2 AV.
    ap─Бna – ap├вn├б, m. (opposed to pr├вс╣З├б), that of the five vital airs which goes downwards and out at the anus; the anus MBh. .
    and
    pr─Бс╣Зa – pr├вс╣З├б, 2 m. (ifc. f. ─Б; for 1. see under pr─Б, p. 701) the breath of life, breath, respiration spirit vitality; pl.
    The reason there is occasional confusion in some of the literature he quotes is because of coincidence of form in Pali, which doesn’t exist in Sanskrit.

    The author appears to have his nose on his rear, if you see what I mean. 🙂

  17. Mr Damage says:

    She’s just cashing in on her sexuality, like so many before her, it is of course all in the timing to be more extreme than everyone else. The Sex Pistols drew attention from being out there at the right time, shock and awe offends the oldies and sells more CDs.

    Funny though watching the video, looks like she is playing to a Cafe audience of men wanting to throw money at her so she joins them at their table later. Her case of “crabs” though is pretty tame compared to some of the sex and projectile shows that used to be in Patpong (or still are), wonder why they never upset the Culture Ministry. Still remember an Allie G movie where the Thai Ambassadors wife started on the ping pong balls, suspect the itch will do less international stereotyping.

  18. chris beale says:

    Sam Deedes – and the US : eg. Dubya – “I left the black guy to clear up the mess” !!

  19. Greg Lopez says:

    Anil Netto and Simon Roughneen has an excellent article surveying the various analysis for Prime Minister Najib Razak’s sudden enlightenment:

    “…Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has thrown down the gauntlet to the country’s political opposition with a bold-sounding reform package aimed at winning back lost popular support ahead of general elections due by 2013. Analysts believe the reform vows signal a move towards early polls, with some speculating they could be called as early as the fourth quarter of this year. …”

  20. Sanamjun Guy says:

    Oh great. A new Bastille.