It seems to me that LM can’t ever be off the radar as it is so critical for control and repression. What will be interesting is the kind of people arrested. This will be a measure of those the current regime is finding “troubling”.
That assumes that anyone can believe anything coming from Tharit.
“Iโve always stated that I am willing to learn and will accept rational and evident criticisms, and not those which are non evident and purely rumours…..”.
Fine! I appreciate your commitment to learn from the logical thought processes that occur right throughout ones life based on various inputs.
But may I also add that the thought processes are of two primary types, they are deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning. You have excelled in the former and you seem to be waddling and straggling in the later.
I will give you an illustration of deductive reasoning;
look at these premises-
1. It rained on Monday, Jack took an umbrella to work.
2. It rained on Tuesday, Jack took an umbrella to work.
3. It rained on Wednesday. What did Jack do?
Based on the premis inputs in the above 1 and 2, you deduct that Jack took an umbrella to work on Wednesday. Correct!
Dear Marc, I can tell you that life and logic is not that straightforward and simple.
What arguments you are putting forward above in your defense states that you require an outright acknowledgment of black and white concrete proof. Am I right?
All I can say is that you need to consume tremendous amounts of brain food, to get the grayish ‘inductive reasoning faculty’ in your brains a good kickstart!
You need to do lots of practice in inductive thinking. Most puzzles, brain-teasers and IQ questions are based on inductive logic.
Here is one to practice on;-
During the early days of the Altantuya murder investigation, a team of forensic ‘experts’ of the PDRM (Malaysian Police) were dispatched to Mongolia. Accompanying them was also a doctor.
You see Altantuya had two boys and the forensic team had the duty to extract a blood sample from the elder boy to determine paternity. Why the elder boy? It sure beats me! As Altantuya only met Razak at a Diamond Festival in Singapore, after the elder boy was already born.
She was introduced to Razak by non other than the now Prime Minister of Malaysia. Najib apparently asked Razak to look after Altantuya, as at that time he was the Deputy Prime Minister and having a mistress had become a liability for Najib.
You have every right to say that the above has no factual proof as all this information is extracted from Private Eye Bala’s 1st Statutory Declaration.
However, the following is based on actual fact.
The team arrived at Dr. Sharibuu’s (Altantuya’s father) apartment and introduced themselves. They then proceeded to get a blood sample from Altantuya’s mother and they left!
About 10 days later the Star Newspaper reported that after conclusive DNA testing the PDRM have ruled out paternity of the boy is connected with Razak. Meaning they had established that Razak was not the father.
How they can determine the paternity of the boy with boys grandmothers blood, sure beats me! This was the end of the matter!
Figure the above out!
To add to your mental anguish created by the above, here is more!
If you were to examine a photograph of the elder son of Altantuya, you would note that the chubby little boy possesses very prominent, rounded eyebrows. Prominent rounded eyebrows is not a feature amongst Mongolians. On further research it was found that rounded eyebrows is not in the Mongolian genes.
Now get a photograph of your beloved Prime Minister and get a good look at his eyebrows!
This giving you a headache?
Eat lots of seafood, oily fish is reputed to increase brain power, especially the faculty that works on inductive thinking.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this, but the Than Lyin housing estate is very much a middle-class project, as far as I understand. I think properties start in the K40 million range (about $40,000). Probably not the kind of people who would purchase a fuel station.
Incidentally the whole fuel situation has turned into an absolute farce and has been poorly managed โ even by the standards of this inept Myanmar government.
And finally… where can I find a copy of Myanmar Monopoly????
‘The Chinese are not interested in South-East Asian towns until they have reached on their [own] initiative a certain level of population and prosperity.
They then descend like a flock of gregarious birds, galvanizing its life with their own crow-like vitality.
The feeble shoots of local culture wither away and what remains is a degenerative native slum round the hard, bright self-contained Chinese core.’
A Dragon Apparent (1951)
The more things change, the more they stay the same?
Sorry, I am well aware that the Red Shirts have many factions and are much more than a single-issue group bringing Thaksin back to power.
I am also well aware of the bread and other items that the Red Shirts like to bring and talk about more openly.
I am also further aware that the Red Shirt issues and discussions have opened more eyes in the country to the shadow political system in Thailand.
What I am saying is this:
That lacking any outward support for freedom of speech in Thailand, then one would not be wrong to say that the Red Shirts (in terms of leadership structure) are only about putting the Thaksin clique back in power. Also, I am saying that the government has realized this, and is calling the ‘bluff’ of the Red Shirt leaders in their capacity to actually risk themselves for anything.
As evidence I have the 2009 and 2010 Songkran uprisings wherein the leaders never actually ‘fought’ gave in as soon as things got heated up around them.
Further evidence is lack of support for the free speech of Daranee, Surachai, and all others locked up under an arcane law.
I don’t mean to “simplify” the movement intellectually, emotionally, and understand that like still water, the movement runs deep. But lacking anyone standing up for freedom of speech, regardless of whether or not they agree with the speech makes me say that financially and in the terms that is reality (ie: the decision making structure) it truly is about 1 person; and up until you can provide me actual proof that it is not, and I mean major points, not 2000 people giving a speech here and there, but the “mainstream” of the movement standing up for the would-be martyrs in jail, leading vigils, walks, and protests FOR THE FREEDOM OF THOSE PEOPLE, and NOT FOR ELECTIONS OR THE RETURN OF mrT, then I stand by my words.
Else, I don’t think that I think too differently from you.
Also your last line:
“Furthermore, Thaksinโs money is nothing comparing to the elite own coffer, so your logic of one man money actually goes both way here.”
–> that could counter someone who is standing up for the current regime. Unfortunately its a non-starter for me. I’m no defender of the status quo. I’m just not going to rush into a movement that is not doing anything concrete to show that it is ‘not’ another variation of the status quo.
Cyber James: I am not aware of those things that you said. Well, there are of course many criticism and reasons to kick the government out in all countries around the world. But you must know something, I did not say that Najib’s administration is perfect. What I am saying is that we should acknowledge his efforts which the past prime ministers has ignored and that the majority of the public has felt so far. Why are you guys attacking me as if I am saying that Najib’s adminstration is perfect? I have never said such a thing and I have always maintain my stance throughout my discussion that we should commend people who have successfully done something that is beneficial to the public and keep on criticising on what they are lacking and have done wrong. Why don’t you focus on my stance rather than having preconceived judgements and attack me like this? Does my stance count for nothing? Are you those that only know how to attack on the wrongdoing of others and any other good that they do counts for nothing to you? Or are you blindly ignoring what good people have done? This will be called pure ignorance as you are only trying to pick fault with others. It is good to pick others fault so others can learn, but it must also be right to acknowledge the good doing of others. If you can name me one government in which there are no weaknesses in them and the public has no reason to kick them out, then I would be pretty please and would model my good governance ideology on that country’s government. And remember, I am one whose statements are based on pure evidence, and not based on non evident allegations.
Cyber James: Ok, I concede on the 4 Indian Muslims syndicate. If it is indeed wrong by law to do such an act (I’m not too sure about what the law says and the actual evident procedure on what has happened so I cant comment much on this and have to concede), then it is only right for us to criticise Najib’s administration on this issue. I sincerely think that it would be good if we can have a compliation on his wrongdoings which we have evidence to and table it for him to have his remarks on our proposed allegations. But please be noted, we must have evidence for our claims and be included in a report maybe and table it to him for his comments on these issues. We might just publish it on the net so that the public can see it and there’s no way he could run away from answering the questions. What do you think? ๐
neptunian: Ok, then I concede that I might be wrong on that. Then what do say about what the constitution has said about the Malay rights and how has the 30% quota come about? This I would need your guidance.
Secondly, I agree with you that the Malays might not be the first people on this land. They may not even be the first foreigners too because Hinduism and Buddhism influence is so strong in the SEA region and there’s no way that Malaysian could have been discarded from such strong influences, right? But my argument here would be, that the Malays were the ones who intended and have actually set up their own kingdom there and thereby making it their land. Who asked the chinese who had came to Malaysia in the past to only came here to make money and not to make a kingdom on this land before the malays made it their kingdom. So I think that we cannot complaint much because it was the Malays who had shown the most interest in making this land their home while the others did not. It was only until after the Malays had made it their kingdom and after the all the foreigners invasion and that they finally want to make Malaysia as their home. Besides, it was also required that they showed the British that the Malays could make all races get along and unite as a multiracial country before they are given independence. However, our forefathers were in my opinion less smart at that time because they did not know how to demand the rights for the other races at that time and were only thinking about their own pockets. So in the end, it was the other generations of the other races that have suffered and have often complain about discrimination. Am I getting my facts right? Do correct me if I am wrong. Remember, I’ve always stated that I am willing to learn and will accept rational and evident criticisms, and not those which are non evident and purely rumours. Thanks. ๐
*p/s: its really good to see so many people replying here. a really good discussion platform indeed. ๐
“But nonetheless, Iโve observed that it is the chinese who have initiate the racial tension by tabling a proposal to reduce the current malay rights of 30% quota ”
First of all, please tell us all, where in the constitution does it say 30% quota to the Malays? I am sure almost all readrs of the NM would be really interested to know if this discriminating requirement is enshrine in the Malaysian constitution… (Just for your info, readers here are not your regular Kampong or New Villages folks, easily fooled by simple “statement of untruth”)
Secondly, you might as well say that the non Malays brought it on to themselve, once their fore fathers moved to the penisula. We can start a whole new debate on the “Malay” land, formation of Malaya, Malaysia etc. If you read your history, you will realise, there is no such thing as “Tanah Melayu.” The forebears of all the nyonyas and Babas were here much earlier than most “Malays” and has more claims to the land than most “Malays”
BTW, Kedah, Perlis, Trengannu and Kelantan are mostlt Thai territory, until the Thais sold them off to the Brits for a railway line!
For Lim Weng Marc’s perusal, here is more on the 4 Indian Muslim syndicates flooding Australia with boat people.
These syndicates operate and do strong marketing in countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and other Muslim states. Once an initial deposit is paid in their country of origin. Passports are ‘arranged’ for them to leave their countries. On arrival at Kuala Lumpur, they are told to que at a particular Immigration counter where a ‘friendly’ Immigration Officer mans the show. Once immigration clearance is obtained a person from the syndicate takes back all the passports only to be re-cycled for further refugees. Of course there is the further balance to be paid. All in all a sum of US14,000 is paid to the Syndicate. Then they are taken to a disused hotel in Mersing, while they wait for boats to take them out to ships which sail to Java.
From there they arrive in Australia. (this is a shortened version of the full procedure)
The four syndicates seem to be operational under the hospices of the Najib government!
This adds to the list of illegal activities of the Najib Administration. Frankly, Najib is a threat to Australian National Security!
Wanna explain the above?
The fact that you took some time to state your lengthy arguments really amazes me. You could now compile all your arguments in this thread and present it to Monash University (Malaysia). Prolly they will give you an honorary Doctorate too !
This time around, Najib will not only send you an SMS for Chinese New Year. He will present you with a Datukship.
I am sorry but your post above literally made me vomit!
I would like to question you on the French Government’s CRIMINAL Investigation that is presently taking place in France. Najib seems to be the focal point of the investigations. Of course, this would be irrelevant in your hyped up essay on Najib.
Malaysia is also the main hub and center for Human Trafficking into Australia. Almost all boat people who arrive here pay huge sums of money to Indian Muslim Syndicates in Malaysia. These Syndicates then arrange travel to Java and then to the Australian Shores!
These syndicates have a preference of Muslim refugees. Its very similar to Mahathir’s Project IC. Only to populate Australia with Muslims!
Malaysia did ‘COOPERATE’ with the Australian Government and apprehended mere Immigration officials of the lower ranks. Until now no charge has been preferred on them. This has been more than six months now.
This is a usual modus operandi of the Najib Administration. Get a scapegoat for the public to see and let the masterminds off!
The four Indian Muslim Syndicates seem to be working under Najib’s protection! WELL DONE NAJIB! Marc, this too is irrelevant right!
On this topic, of finding ‘whitewash Scapegoats’, while the masterminds get off, shall we bother to touch on the brutal Altantuya murder?
The thousands of brutal police (UTK) shootouts and torture and deaths in custody? Aren’t these the LEGACY of Najib?
Not to mention the existence of an Assassination Squad within the UTK forces, which is commandeered by Najib!
Frankly – it amazes me, the illusions about justice in Thailand constantly expressed on this web-site – by people who should know better.
So many are in a state of denial – perhaps because they can not bring themselves to face the brutality of this barbaric, fuedal state.
There are only two ways Da Torpedo will be released :
1) either she makes an apology
or :
2) the state splinters – and is overthrown. Personally, I think the latter is more likely.
As I mentioned above #5, Da’s lawyer, Khun Prawet, last week submitted an appeal of the Criminal Court’s ruling not to grant bail. Today, the Appeal Court rejected his appeal, affirming the Criminal Court’s ruling, with the following reasons: (Sorry, it’s in Thai; but the text is almost identical with the Criminal Court’s ruling above. See Khun Elizabeth translation of the latter #6)
#35
The megalomania has never been in any doubt. Rather, he seeks to neutralise in order to continue (and even maximise) what we would call kleptocracy. God knows what weasel-worded metaphor he would choose to soften the blow. I doubt the vassal state conspiracy thing, although it might well end up as the reality. I’m sure China is more than capable of exploiting the crass stupidity of a friendly local despot.
I hope the Australian PM and MP’s will question Malaysian PM Najib on his arrival to Australia about the brutal use of force on innocent poor non violent minority Indians without reason for coming out in droves to make police reports against racism by UMNO led Barisan Nasional government on 27/2/2011.
All those Indians did was, as mere citizens of Malaysia came to the street to voice out their displeasure towards their government for approving a book titled “Interlok” to be used in secondary schools literature, a book which is found to be inaccurate in its findings by the author, contains disparaging remarks against the Indians and politically motivated to instill fear, anguish and inferior complex.
Malaysian Federal Constitution permits citizens freedom of assembly without arms. The Malaysian police had committed gross negligence, applied brutal force with blatant disregard to law and order by arbitrarily harassing, preventing freedom of movement, create fear and arrest almost all Indians seen on sight of the streets of Kuala Lumpur on the 27/2/2011 starting from as early as 5.00am onwards.
In the course the police have arrested and locked up 108 members of the public without warrant just because they are Indians. This is a mockery of democracy in the country.
While Taib himself has personally profited immensely from the destruction of the Borneo rainforest through logging and oil palm plantations, Sarawak’s indigenous communities have lost their land, the source of their livelihood, and have been increasingly marginalized.
Steve… c’mon son… you’re misrepresenting what I’ve said for no good reason at all. It is clear from his response that the author expects (nay, demands) only praise for his writing and cannot countenance criticism of any form.
Uh… wrong, Steve, what I asked was that you demonstrate your points with such things as facts and citations, or links to your own published work that would substantiate your claims. I’d love it if I received criticism from people who actually could (or actually did) read any of the primary sources concerned, or who were responding to the substance of the article. I’d love it if people who complained about “other articles of this ilk” could actually provide links to other materials published on this subject, because my survey of the literature came up with very little (salient) material in print. Like most people who trade in non-fiction, I enjoy differences of opinion with people who know what they’re talking about. Therefore I would *respectfully* suggest that if he writes further internet articles, he does so with โcomments offโ
I would *respectfully* suggest that you make comments about languages you can actually read and texts you have actually read –hey, we could add to that list “places you’ve actually been” and “periods of history you’ve published research on” also– but, if you did any of that, I would actually respect you, and I would respect your opinion, also.
If you think there’s nothing ad hominem in the prior comments, or in the final comment you’ve just written Steveo, you should look up the definition of the term: “…argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the opponent advocating the premise. The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Yes indeed, your claim that I write with “an originist agenda” is an ad hominem argument, in every sense of the term (and no, I don’t think you’ve proven the point at all).
The aim of the UDD is to usurp the Monarchy and install Thaksin Shinawatra as King.
I think not Soonuk, but I suspect that would play well among some sections of the PAD. How much megalomania has Thaksin got? I don’t know;-) But from the little we have had so far from Wikileaks it seems that Thaksin has put his bets on in the royal succession already.
Let’s not beat about the bush here.
The aim of the UDD is to usurp the Monarchy and install Thaksin Shinawatra as King.
Taksin will then return Thailand to the status of vassal state of China.
What we really have here is a Chinese grab for power.
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It seems to me that LM can’t ever be off the radar as it is so critical for control and repression. What will be interesting is the kind of people arrested. This will be a measure of those the current regime is finding “troubling”.
That assumes that anyone can believe anything coming from Tharit.
Najib to receive honorary degree from Monash
Lim Weng Marc,
Quote
“Iโve always stated that I am willing to learn and will accept rational and evident criticisms, and not those which are non evident and purely rumours…..”.
Fine! I appreciate your commitment to learn from the logical thought processes that occur right throughout ones life based on various inputs.
But may I also add that the thought processes are of two primary types, they are deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning. You have excelled in the former and you seem to be waddling and straggling in the later.
I will give you an illustration of deductive reasoning;
look at these premises-
1. It rained on Monday, Jack took an umbrella to work.
2. It rained on Tuesday, Jack took an umbrella to work.
3. It rained on Wednesday. What did Jack do?
Based on the premis inputs in the above 1 and 2, you deduct that Jack took an umbrella to work on Wednesday. Correct!
Dear Marc, I can tell you that life and logic is not that straightforward and simple.
What arguments you are putting forward above in your defense states that you require an outright acknowledgment of black and white concrete proof. Am I right?
All I can say is that you need to consume tremendous amounts of brain food, to get the grayish ‘inductive reasoning faculty’ in your brains a good kickstart!
You need to do lots of practice in inductive thinking. Most puzzles, brain-teasers and IQ questions are based on inductive logic.
Here is one to practice on;-
During the early days of the Altantuya murder investigation, a team of forensic ‘experts’ of the PDRM (Malaysian Police) were dispatched to Mongolia. Accompanying them was also a doctor.
You see Altantuya had two boys and the forensic team had the duty to extract a blood sample from the elder boy to determine paternity. Why the elder boy? It sure beats me! As Altantuya only met Razak at a Diamond Festival in Singapore, after the elder boy was already born.
She was introduced to Razak by non other than the now Prime Minister of Malaysia. Najib apparently asked Razak to look after Altantuya, as at that time he was the Deputy Prime Minister and having a mistress had become a liability for Najib.
You have every right to say that the above has no factual proof as all this information is extracted from Private Eye Bala’s 1st Statutory Declaration.
However, the following is based on actual fact.
The team arrived at Dr. Sharibuu’s (Altantuya’s father) apartment and introduced themselves. They then proceeded to get a blood sample from Altantuya’s mother and they left!
About 10 days later the Star Newspaper reported that after conclusive DNA testing the PDRM have ruled out paternity of the boy is connected with Razak. Meaning they had established that Razak was not the father.
How they can determine the paternity of the boy with boys grandmothers blood, sure beats me! This was the end of the matter!
Figure the above out!
To add to your mental anguish created by the above, here is more!
If you were to examine a photograph of the elder son of Altantuya, you would note that the chubby little boy possesses very prominent, rounded eyebrows. Prominent rounded eyebrows is not a feature amongst Mongolians. On further research it was found that rounded eyebrows is not in the Mongolian genes.
Now get a photograph of your beloved Prime Minister and get a good look at his eyebrows!
This giving you a headache?
Eat lots of seafood, oily fish is reputed to increase brain power, especially the faculty that works on inductive thinking.
Have a nice day
Ports, courts and petrol stations
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this, but the Than Lyin housing estate is very much a middle-class project, as far as I understand. I think properties start in the K40 million range (about $40,000). Probably not the kind of people who would purchase a fuel station.
Incidentally the whole fuel situation has turned into an absolute farce and has been poorly managed โ even by the standards of this inept Myanmar government.
And finally… where can I find a copy of Myanmar Monopoly????
The internal frontier: Chinese extraterritoriality in northern Laos?
‘The Chinese are not interested in South-East Asian towns until they have reached on their [own] initiative a certain level of population and prosperity.
They then descend like a flock of gregarious birds, galvanizing its life with their own crow-like vitality.
The feeble shoots of local culture wither away and what remains is a degenerative native slum round the hard, bright self-contained Chinese core.’
A Dragon Apparent (1951)
The more things change, the more they stay the same?
Where to now for the UDD?
Tarinn – 34
Sorry, I am well aware that the Red Shirts have many factions and are much more than a single-issue group bringing Thaksin back to power.
I am also well aware of the bread and other items that the Red Shirts like to bring and talk about more openly.
I am also further aware that the Red Shirt issues and discussions have opened more eyes in the country to the shadow political system in Thailand.
What I am saying is this:
That lacking any outward support for freedom of speech in Thailand, then one would not be wrong to say that the Red Shirts (in terms of leadership structure) are only about putting the Thaksin clique back in power. Also, I am saying that the government has realized this, and is calling the ‘bluff’ of the Red Shirt leaders in their capacity to actually risk themselves for anything.
As evidence I have the 2009 and 2010 Songkran uprisings wherein the leaders never actually ‘fought’ gave in as soon as things got heated up around them.
Further evidence is lack of support for the free speech of Daranee, Surachai, and all others locked up under an arcane law.
I don’t mean to “simplify” the movement intellectually, emotionally, and understand that like still water, the movement runs deep. But lacking anyone standing up for freedom of speech, regardless of whether or not they agree with the speech makes me say that financially and in the terms that is reality (ie: the decision making structure) it truly is about 1 person; and up until you can provide me actual proof that it is not, and I mean major points, not 2000 people giving a speech here and there, but the “mainstream” of the movement standing up for the would-be martyrs in jail, leading vigils, walks, and protests FOR THE FREEDOM OF THOSE PEOPLE, and NOT FOR ELECTIONS OR THE RETURN OF mrT, then I stand by my words.
Else, I don’t think that I think too differently from you.
Also your last line:
“Furthermore, Thaksinโs money is nothing comparing to the elite own coffer, so your logic of one man money actually goes both way here.”
–> that could counter someone who is standing up for the current regime. Unfortunately its a non-starter for me. I’m no defender of the status quo. I’m just not going to rush into a movement that is not doing anything concrete to show that it is ‘not’ another variation of the status quo.
khao jai mai khrub?
Najib to receive honorary degree from Monash
Cyber James: I am not aware of those things that you said. Well, there are of course many criticism and reasons to kick the government out in all countries around the world. But you must know something, I did not say that Najib’s administration is perfect. What I am saying is that we should acknowledge his efforts which the past prime ministers has ignored and that the majority of the public has felt so far. Why are you guys attacking me as if I am saying that Najib’s adminstration is perfect? I have never said such a thing and I have always maintain my stance throughout my discussion that we should commend people who have successfully done something that is beneficial to the public and keep on criticising on what they are lacking and have done wrong. Why don’t you focus on my stance rather than having preconceived judgements and attack me like this? Does my stance count for nothing? Are you those that only know how to attack on the wrongdoing of others and any other good that they do counts for nothing to you? Or are you blindly ignoring what good people have done? This will be called pure ignorance as you are only trying to pick fault with others. It is good to pick others fault so others can learn, but it must also be right to acknowledge the good doing of others. If you can name me one government in which there are no weaknesses in them and the public has no reason to kick them out, then I would be pretty please and would model my good governance ideology on that country’s government. And remember, I am one whose statements are based on pure evidence, and not based on non evident allegations.
Cyber James: Ok, I concede on the 4 Indian Muslims syndicate. If it is indeed wrong by law to do such an act (I’m not too sure about what the law says and the actual evident procedure on what has happened so I cant comment much on this and have to concede), then it is only right for us to criticise Najib’s administration on this issue. I sincerely think that it would be good if we can have a compliation on his wrongdoings which we have evidence to and table it for him to have his remarks on our proposed allegations. But please be noted, we must have evidence for our claims and be included in a report maybe and table it to him for his comments on these issues. We might just publish it on the net so that the public can see it and there’s no way he could run away from answering the questions. What do you think? ๐
neptunian: Ok, then I concede that I might be wrong on that. Then what do say about what the constitution has said about the Malay rights and how has the 30% quota come about? This I would need your guidance.
Secondly, I agree with you that the Malays might not be the first people on this land. They may not even be the first foreigners too because Hinduism and Buddhism influence is so strong in the SEA region and there’s no way that Malaysian could have been discarded from such strong influences, right? But my argument here would be, that the Malays were the ones who intended and have actually set up their own kingdom there and thereby making it their land. Who asked the chinese who had came to Malaysia in the past to only came here to make money and not to make a kingdom on this land before the malays made it their kingdom. So I think that we cannot complaint much because it was the Malays who had shown the most interest in making this land their home while the others did not. It was only until after the Malays had made it their kingdom and after the all the foreigners invasion and that they finally want to make Malaysia as their home. Besides, it was also required that they showed the British that the Malays could make all races get along and unite as a multiracial country before they are given independence. However, our forefathers were in my opinion less smart at that time because they did not know how to demand the rights for the other races at that time and were only thinking about their own pockets. So in the end, it was the other generations of the other races that have suffered and have often complain about discrimination. Am I getting my facts right? Do correct me if I am wrong. Remember, I’ve always stated that I am willing to learn and will accept rational and evident criticisms, and not those which are non evident and purely rumours. Thanks. ๐
*p/s: its really good to see so many people replying here. a really good discussion platform indeed. ๐
Najib to receive honorary degree from Monash
Mr Lim,
“But nonetheless, Iโve observed that it is the chinese who have initiate the racial tension by tabling a proposal to reduce the current malay rights of 30% quota ”
First of all, please tell us all, where in the constitution does it say 30% quota to the Malays? I am sure almost all readrs of the NM would be really interested to know if this discriminating requirement is enshrine in the Malaysian constitution… (Just for your info, readers here are not your regular Kampong or New Villages folks, easily fooled by simple “statement of untruth”)
Secondly, you might as well say that the non Malays brought it on to themselve, once their fore fathers moved to the penisula. We can start a whole new debate on the “Malay” land, formation of Malaya, Malaysia etc. If you read your history, you will realise, there is no such thing as “Tanah Melayu.” The forebears of all the nyonyas and Babas were here much earlier than most “Malays” and has more claims to the land than most “Malays”
BTW, Kedah, Perlis, Trengannu and Kelantan are mostlt Thai territory, until the Thais sold them off to the Brits for a railway line!
Najib to receive honorary degree from Monash
Greg Lopez,
I support your view.
For Lim Weng Marc’s perusal, here is more on the 4 Indian Muslim syndicates flooding Australia with boat people.
These syndicates operate and do strong marketing in countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and other Muslim states. Once an initial deposit is paid in their country of origin. Passports are ‘arranged’ for them to leave their countries. On arrival at Kuala Lumpur, they are told to que at a particular Immigration counter where a ‘friendly’ Immigration Officer mans the show. Once immigration clearance is obtained a person from the syndicate takes back all the passports only to be re-cycled for further refugees. Of course there is the further balance to be paid. All in all a sum of US14,000 is paid to the Syndicate. Then they are taken to a disused hotel in Mersing, while they wait for boats to take them out to ships which sail to Java.
From there they arrive in Australia. (this is a shortened version of the full procedure)
The four syndicates seem to be operational under the hospices of the Najib government!
This adds to the list of illegal activities of the Najib Administration. Frankly, Najib is a threat to Australian National Security!
Wanna explain the above?
Najib to receive honorary degree from Monash
Well Done Marc.
The fact that you took some time to state your lengthy arguments really amazes me. You could now compile all your arguments in this thread and present it to Monash University (Malaysia). Prolly they will give you an honorary Doctorate too !
Najib to receive honorary degree from Monash
Lim Weng Marc,
This time around, Najib will not only send you an SMS for Chinese New Year. He will present you with a Datukship.
I am sorry but your post above literally made me vomit!
I would like to question you on the French Government’s CRIMINAL Investigation that is presently taking place in France. Najib seems to be the focal point of the investigations. Of course, this would be irrelevant in your hyped up essay on Najib.
Malaysia is also the main hub and center for Human Trafficking into Australia. Almost all boat people who arrive here pay huge sums of money to Indian Muslim Syndicates in Malaysia. These Syndicates then arrange travel to Java and then to the Australian Shores!
These syndicates have a preference of Muslim refugees. Its very similar to Mahathir’s Project IC. Only to populate Australia with Muslims!
Malaysia did ‘COOPERATE’ with the Australian Government and apprehended mere Immigration officials of the lower ranks. Until now no charge has been preferred on them. This has been more than six months now.
This is a usual modus operandi of the Najib Administration. Get a scapegoat for the public to see and let the masterminds off!
The four Indian Muslim Syndicates seem to be working under Najib’s protection! WELL DONE NAJIB! Marc, this too is irrelevant right!
On this topic, of finding ‘whitewash Scapegoats’, while the masterminds get off, shall we bother to touch on the brutal Altantuya murder?
The thousands of brutal police (UTK) shootouts and torture and deaths in custody? Aren’t these the LEGACY of Najib?
Not to mention the existence of an Assassination Squad within the UTK forces, which is commandeered by Najib!
Marc……………Congratulations on your Datukship award!
Justice on Trial: Darunee Charnchoengsilpakul and the Thai Constitutional Court
Further news on the denial of bail for Khun Da (in Thai):
http://prachatai.com/journal/2011/03/33357
Tweeting a social scientific revolution?
Cliff High’s webbot is doing very interesting work in this area.
http://bit.ly/hrDTIR
Court win for Da Torpedo
Frankly – it amazes me, the illusions about justice in Thailand constantly expressed on this web-site – by people who should know better.
So many are in a state of denial – perhaps because they can not bring themselves to face the brutality of this barbaric, fuedal state.
There are only two ways Da Torpedo will be released :
1) either she makes an apology
or :
2) the state splinters – and is overthrown. Personally, I think the latter is more likely.
Court win for Da Torpedo
Update: Da was denied bail again.
As I mentioned above #5, Da’s lawyer, Khun Prawet, last week submitted an appeal of the Criminal Court’s ruling not to grant bail. Today, the Appeal Court rejected his appeal, affirming the Criminal Court’s ruling, with the following reasons: (Sorry, it’s in Thai; but the text is almost identical with the Criminal Court’s ruling above. See Khun Elizabeth translation of the latter #6)
“ัโะฎัโโคัโฃะัโะัโะณัโโัโโัโะปัโฃะัโฃะัโะตัโฃะัโะท ัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะฉัโะทัโฃะัโโัโะัโะทัโโัโะฑัโะฌัโโคัโะคัโะงัโโกัโฃะัโะฆัโโฃัโะัโะฏัโฃะัโะฝัโะัโะฑัโโกัโะฝัโโัโะฅัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะงัโะนัโะบัโโฃัโะ ัโะฎัโะดัโะฅัโโคัโะัโโัโะณัโะฃัโฃะัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะัโะัโะคัโโกัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโฃะัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะฝัโะัโะณัโฃะัโโัโะฒัโฃะัโะณัโะ ัโะฝัโโัโะฉัโะัโะณัโโัโะงัโะชัโะัโะทัโโัโะฑัโะัโะัโะณัโโัโะัโะฐัโโัโะัโะคัโโกัโฃะัโะตัโโัโฃะัโะัโโัโะณัโะฎัโฃะัโะงัโโคัโะคัโะงัโโฃัโะฉัโะัโะฝัโะัโะซัโะณัโโัโะัโโัโะัโะฉัโะงัโโกัโฃะัโะฑัโโกัโะฅัโฃะัโะฝัโะบัโะฆัโโัโะชัโโัโะฉัโะฎัโะณัโโัโะฑัโะปัโโัโะัโะนัโโัโะฅัโะณัโโคัโะฒัโฃะ ัโะปัโโัโะัโะซัโะตัโฃะัโะฝัโะฒัโะัโโัโฃะัโะทัโะัโะณัโโัโะทัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะัโโัโฃะัโะฝัโะทัโฃะัโโัโะัโโัโฃะัโะัโโคัโะคัโะัโะทัโโัโะฑัโฃะัโะบัโโกัโะฒัโะปัโโัโะฒัโฃะัโะตัโโัโะัโโัโฃะัโะตัโะฒัโะัโโัโะปัโะตัโะชัโะปัโะฉัโโก ัโะบัโฃะัโะทัโะฉัโะงัโโกัโฃะัโะัโโัโฃะัโะตัโะฒัโะฝัโฃะัโโัโะัโะทัโฃะัโโัโะฑัโโกัโฃะัโะปัโะฅัโโัโะัโโัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโะฅัโฃะัโะฝัโะัโะณัโโัโะชัโะัโโัโะณัโะณัโโัโะัโะนัโโัโะฝัโโัโะัโโัโะณัโะซัโฃะัโะทัโะฒัโะคัโฃะัโะทัโะฒัโฃะัโะฎัโะงัโะฒัโฃะัโฃะัโะัโะฎัโโัโโัโะงัโโัโะัโะฐัโโัโะฒัโะฉัโะฝัโะัโฃะัโะณัโโัโะฝัโะฉัโะัโโัโะฉัโโัโฃะัโะฉ ัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะฉัโะทัโฃะัโโัโะัโโัโฃะัโะตัโะฒัโะบัโโัโะฑัโโัโะณัโะฆัโะคัโโัโฃะัโะฉัโโคัโะฉัโะัโโัโะณัโฃะัโะคัโฃะัโะฅัโโัโะฑัโะณัโโัโฃะัโะชัโโกัโะฒัโะชัโะณัโโัโะัโะงัโโัโะฃัโะกัโฃะ ัโะัโะณัโะฃัโโกัโะัโโขัโะัโะฒัโโัโะัโฃะัโะฑัโฃะัโะฑัโโกัโฃะัโะปัโะฅัโโัโะบัโะฑัโะัโะทัโะณัโะซัโะตัโฃะัโะฝัโะฒัโะัโโัโฃะัโะทัโะัโะณัโโัโะทัโฃะัโะฉัโะณัโโัโะปัโะทัโฃะัโโัโะัโะฎัโโคัโะัโโัโะณัโะฃัโโ ัโะัโโัโะบัโโัโฃะัโะัโะธัโโัโะตัโะัโโัโฃะัโะฉัโะฅัโฃะัโะฉัโะัโะฝัโะชัโฃะัโะตัโฃะัโะท ัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะฒัโะัโะัโโัโะณัโฃะัโะฝัโะ ัโฃะัโะัโฃะัโะัโะัโโัโะบัโโัโฃะัโะัโฃะัโะฑัโฃะัโะฝัโะฉัโโัโะัโโัโะฅัโะซัโะตัโฃะัโะฝัโะฒัโะัโโัโฃะัโะทัโะัโะณัโโัโะทัโฃะัโะปัโฃะัโะัโโัโฃะัโะตัโะฒัโะงัโะณัโโัโะชัโฃะัโะซัโฃะัโะฉัโะปัโะฉัโโัโะัโะบัโโัโะฝัโฃะัโะคัโะฒัโฃะัโะณัโฃะัโะท”
Where to now for the UDD?
#35
The megalomania has never been in any doubt. Rather, he seeks to neutralise in order to continue (and even maximise) what we would call kleptocracy. God knows what weasel-worded metaphor he would choose to soften the blow. I doubt the vassal state conspiracy thing, although it might well end up as the reality. I’m sure China is more than capable of exploiting the crass stupidity of a friendly local despot.
Malaysian Indians: A sad story
I hope the Australian PM and MP’s will question Malaysian PM Najib on his arrival to Australia about the brutal use of force on innocent poor non violent minority Indians without reason for coming out in droves to make police reports against racism by UMNO led Barisan Nasional government on 27/2/2011.
All those Indians did was, as mere citizens of Malaysia came to the street to voice out their displeasure towards their government for approving a book titled “Interlok” to be used in secondary schools literature, a book which is found to be inaccurate in its findings by the author, contains disparaging remarks against the Indians and politically motivated to instill fear, anguish and inferior complex.
Malaysian Federal Constitution permits citizens freedom of assembly without arms. The Malaysian police had committed gross negligence, applied brutal force with blatant disregard to law and order by arbitrarily harassing, preventing freedom of movement, create fear and arrest almost all Indians seen on sight of the streets of Kuala Lumpur on the 27/2/2011 starting from as early as 5.00am onwards.
In the course the police have arrested and locked up 108 members of the public without warrant just because they are Indians. This is a mockery of democracy in the country.
The Sarawak Revolution!
Stop Timber Corruption Freeze Taib’s assets now!
The Buddha was bald
Steve… c’mon son… you’re misrepresenting what I’ve said for no good reason at all.
It is clear from his response that the author expects (nay, demands) only praise for his writing and cannot countenance criticism of any form.Uh… wrong, Steve, what I asked was that you demonstrate your points with such things as facts and citations, or links to your own published work that would substantiate your claims. I’d love it if I received criticism from people who actually could (or actually did) read any of the primary sources concerned, or who were responding to the substance of the article. I’d love it if people who complained about “other articles of this ilk” could actually provide links to other materials published on this subject, because my survey of the literature came up with very little (salient) material in print. Like most people who trade in non-fiction, I enjoy differences of opinion with people who know what they’re talking about.
Therefore I would *respectfully* suggest that if he writes further internet articles, he does so with โcomments offโI would *respectfully* suggest that you make comments about languages you can actually read and texts you have actually read –hey, we could add to that list “places you’ve actually been” and “periods of history you’ve published research on” also– but, if you did any of that, I would actually respect you, and I would respect your opinion, also.
If you think there’s nothing ad hominem in the prior comments, or in the final comment you’ve just written Steveo, you should look up the definition of the term: “…argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the opponent advocating the premise. The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Yes indeed, your claim that I write with “an originist agenda” is an ad hominem argument, in every sense of the term (and no, I don’t think you’ve proven the point at all).
Where to now for the UDD?
Soonuk Dum – 39
The aim of the UDD is to usurp the Monarchy and install Thaksin Shinawatra as King.
I think not Soonuk, but I suspect that would play well among some sections of the PAD. How much megalomania has Thaksin got? I don’t know;-) But from the little we have had so far from Wikileaks it seems that Thaksin has put his bets on in the royal succession already.
Where to now for the UDD?
Les Abbey – 31
Let’s not beat about the bush here.
The aim of the UDD is to usurp the Monarchy and install Thaksin Shinawatra as King.
Taksin will then return Thailand to the status of vassal state of China.
What we really have here is a Chinese grab for power.