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  1. tukkae says:

    Here is the full version including a few minutes introduction :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo-0TO5A0KI

  2. StillInMalaysia says:

    No one blames those that left. We all understand the reason. Even i, when approached by friends asking my opinion about life in the land down under, cheerfully tell them not to worry. Adapting to life there is pretty easy. Migrate for the sake of your children’s future. Most of us have no option but to migrate.

    But for every one of us that leaves, the tyrants are rejoicing at the departure of yet another ‘troublemaker’. So i remain, maybe just out of spite? Maybe out of some misplaced ideal?

    Besides, Malaysia is where it is because of us. If Malaysia fails it’s because we failed. we allowed the authorities to inflict many grave injustices upon innocents all in the name of securing the peace and prosperity of the Malaysian people. And so now we reap what we have sown.

    But if you still have any sentimental attachment for Malaysia, help to save it. Who knows, one day we may actually succeed in rescuing Malaysia from the greedy clutches of those incompetent elites. One day, the great-grandchildren of the ex-Malaysians may actually want to migrate to this future-Malaysia. A far fetched dream? 🙂

    But then we all need dreams. Else life would be awfully dull. 🙂

  3. Steve says:

    c51

    “And yet this is what the ‘double standards’ idea argues against. It’s not that there are ‘double standards’ so everyone should be punished, it’s that there are ‘double standards’ so Thaksin should not be blamed.”

    “The whole ‘double standards’ argument was put up to try and defend Thaksin’s indefensible position.”

    Errr…… no. Among many other things, the ‘double standards’ argument asks why Thaksin is singled out and treated as almost unique while a blind or near-blind eye is turned to others. I daresay you can find a pro-Thaksin zealot somewhere who will say he/she can see no wrong in anything Thaksin did and does, but that’s hardly a flicker of the needle in the real “whole ‘double standards’ argument” – as opposed to the straw version that you set up to knock down so easily.

  4. Jim Taylor says:

    so much for “reconciliation”, another red shirt community leader murdered in Chiangmai, 51 year old Noi Banjong “Daeng Kotchasarn” р╣Бр╕Фр╕З р╕Др╕Кр╕кр╕▓р╕г, a tuk-tuk driver; his wife washes clothes for a living; he has one nine year old child. He was a voluneer DJ for 92.5 Red Community Radio; also red guard for “Love Chiangmai 51 Group”. He was shot 18 times and, if that was not bad enough, had speed planted in his hand (it is presumed that this was done by the authorities). His ID card was taken and was recognised only when his picture appeared in the media. He said days before that he felt he was being followed by five men in a Black Toyota pickup (the same vehicle that shot young Krisna Klaahaan р╕Бр╕др╕йр╕Ур╕░ р╕Бр╕ер╣Йр╕▓р╕лр╕▓р╕Н as I reported Sep 8, 2010 in NM)…[full story on Thai enews: http://thaienews.blogspot.com/2010/12/5_22.html%5D

  5. Koolgang says:

    My wife and I thought long and hard before we gave up our Malaysian citizenship this year. We hoped against hope for things to change after the surprised election result in 2008. All was for naught as the country continues to deteriorates.

    We persevered in the face of blatant racial discrimination hoping that any right thinking govt will realized the folly of such policy in this globalized world. We continues to proudly say we are Malaysian despite the country being a laughing stock in the world because of the actions of the govt. We did not flinch when we were told to wait a few days more by our banker when we want to transfer some money. Because we hold Malaysian passport and their govt had classified Malaysia as an Islamic terrorist country.

    But in the end, we decide to change our passport. Because the country is not even safe anymore. We see more and more private security in residential area. We read more and more about corruption and extra-judicial killing by the police. With a corrupt govt, inept civil service and compromised judiciary, if allowed to continue, will lead to a breakdown of the civil society. Mixed in all these is the officially sanctioned religious extremism which is a recipe for disaster. At best, we might become like Yemen or worse, become like Somalia.

    So we say goodbye to our Malaysian passport and be happy with just an occasional visit to see relatives and friends. Chances are, we will start meeting them elsewhere, when they too move away from Malaysia.

  6. Bystander says:

    I get the feeling that many well informed and like minded population are concern with where the middle ground will be. All want the country to move peacefully forward. All these protest and seemingly high handed law to restrain and restore order will not have been necessary if patience and understanding were the virtue of XXXX in overcoming the concern of the inevitable transition. Worst of all, WiliLeaks is going to sing so loud that the High Institution will start to rock and crumble whatsoever reputation and esteem is left.

  7. Superduperanonymous says:

    LesAbbey : “It still seems to me that the ‘double standards’ argument was dreamed up by a highly paid PR man. ”

    ‘Double standards’ are when the Privy Council and Yellow Shirt former PMs can commit obvious lese majeste against the Crown Prince and can get away with it, while progressives or poor farmers doing the same get thrown in jail.

  8. LesAbbey says:

    Christoffer Larsson – 50

    Nobody is arguing that murderers are innocent nor that they should not be held accountable.

    …Exactly the same argument applies to corruption.

    And yet this is what the ‘double standards’ idea argues against. It’s not that there are ‘double standards’ so everyone should be punished, it’s that there are ‘double standards’ so Thaksin should not be blamed.

    Whether the control systems allow more or less murders or more or less corruption is not an argument. The individual murderer or corrupt official, no matter how many of them there are in total, is still personally responsible.

    The whole ‘double standards’ argument was put up to try and defend Thaksin’s indefensible position. The surprise is how many supposedly educated people have fallen for it. Of course for old Stalinists like Weng there is no problem with the contradiction. For them it has purely propaganda value.

  9. R. N. England says:

    WLH (7), one should not be too surprised that laws apply unevenly in Thailand. Laws are enforced only when it suits the hierarchy, especially laws whose only purpose is to protect the hierarchy. Anand and Prem will not be charged with lèse majesté because of what they have said about Vajiralongkorn, at least until the hierarchy changes. Proceedings against Streckfuss probably met a dead end somewhere in the bureaucracy when an official was warned off by a high-status person. Even the reactionaries are probably smart enough to realise that proceedings against someone of Streckfuss’ international status would be counterproductive.
    The Thai hierarchy are not in the same position as those in the US Administration who are trying to cook up a case against Assange. The US officials need to pander to ultranationalist voters to survive, knowing they could do even more damage to the US internationally than the original Wiki leaks. This may be a case where the Thai system is better than the US, but there are plenty of others in which the people on the bridge of either ship would take it down with them.

  10. Christoffer Larsson says:

    LesAbbey – 45

    Nobody is arguing that murderers are innocent nor that they should not be held accountable.

    Some 500 years ago the murder rate in Europe was about 50 times higher than it is today. Some of the factors behind this decline in murders are; a change of culture, a more effective police force, a better legal system, etc…
    These factors are parts of what I called control systems. People in Europe are less likely to murder someone today because the incentives against it are so much stronger than it was a few hundred years ago.

    Exactly the same argument applies to corruption. More accountability and transparency in governments will cause politicians to become less corrupt.

    Thailand, I believe, also have another problem. As Thai politics is quite dirty and laws are being applied arbitrarily, it’s very difficult for Thailand to attract its brightest minds to enter politics.

  11. LesAbbey says:

    Tarrin – 47

    Tarrin I’m afraid you lost me in your answer. I will drop the ‘Stalinist rewriting of history’ bit if that helps. So the question could be put this way.

    “Are you one of those like Jim Taylor that now argues that Thaksin was without blemish or do you follow the ‘double standards’ school of thought in that, ‘yes, Thaksin was corrupt, but then so is/was everyone else’?”

    You see with Jim it has led him down a strange path of taking sides in internal palace politics regarding the succession. See, as he feels he has to take Thaksin’s side on everything, then obviously he also has to support him on this question as well. So the move from republican to support of the palace rules on succession is no greater than moving from the left to supporter of a Berlusconi-like businessman-politician.

    It still seems to me that the ‘double standards’ argument was dreamed up by a highly paid PR man. It’s a fallback position when claims of one’s client’s purity are obviously not working. Then again the beginnings of the red shirt movement seemed to come out of the minds of a very cynical PR team working on a “How to overthrow a government textbook”.

  12. Sammy says:

    Responding to “Still in Malaysia”,
    How do expect me to risk my childrens future just for the sake of patriotism of Malaysia.
    Countless times I heard Umno politician saying, “kalau suka tinggal dekat malaysia duduk diam-diam, kalau tak suka balik saja ke India/China”. For me this is the most hurtful and disrespectful statement to be told to their fellow citizens. And I know because of these statement, many people left the country. And the best part is Our PM, MCA/Gerakan/MIC, just kept quiet about the whole thing.

    Secondly with a Trigger Happy police force, i dont wand my kids or family just to be shot under pretext of being suspect or just being an indian. And i can assure you that the police will just plant some “evidence” to tell that the murdered people are criminals. The even shot a 8 month pregnant women and a handicapped boy, then called them criminals too…, this is lunatic, beyond comprehension.

    Thirdly, i have a right as human being to survive and put food on my familys table, if BN things i dont have these right just because i am a non malay, Malaysia is my enemy because it wants to eliminate and destroy my existance.

    And that is how i percive Malaysia now.

    South Africa was facing embargo and boycott from most countries because of apartheid, and i strongly thing Malaysia should also be penelised because of its racism towards its non malay population

  13. Tarrin says:

    LesAbbey – 8

    It is not a secret that Mechai Viravaidya is one of the palace man so siding and praising Anand (who is also a palace man) is almost a must. *btw, I had one of my distance cousin married to a Panyarachun family I generally agree with Ralph Kramden opinion regarding Anand.

  14. And one extra suggestion (made by a long-time New Mandala reader):

    If “Burmah” is added to the “Siam, Myanmar, etc” Ngram then a great deal more historical depth is captured. Check it out here. As a spelling of the country’s name it seems to have evaporated by about 1920. But “Burmah” was quite dominant in earlier decades. Fascinating.

    Best wishes to all,

    Nich

  15. A true Nomad says:

    This is a wake up call to “Still-In-Malaysia”. Have you ever wonder why your forefathers left China or India or what ever country they left and immigrated to Malaysia. Had they not not done so would you still have a better life in Malaysia. If you think your forefathers had done wrong in leaving their countries, I suggest you return to their homeland and try to put things right.

    As for my children now studying in Canada. The level of education is far more superior than in Malaysia. I am sure they will be grateful for my decision to change their futures in making Canada their new home. When I first make a decision to leave Malaysia, I was discourage repeatedly citing that I will be 3rd class citizen (in Malaysia I have no class at all – still classified as pendatangs by the pendatangs, even though I am 3rd generation Malaysian). I am truly grateful for my grandparents who left China facing the stormy South China Sea in a 2 weeks junk-boat journey surviving on salted eggs, fish and porridge. My jouney to Canada takes only less than 24hrs with Steak and Wine to pleasure my palate.

    As a Hakka, I am proud to be the new generation of modern day NOMADs. Still-In-Malaysia should learn from the wisdom of the Nomads. When the land has serve no more purpose to the communities, they move on to greener pastures. Think of it as migrating from one state to another state or better still from kampong to KL city. Why did you do so? The world now is getting borderless and moving from one country to another is no different from moving from one state to another. The only matter is your choice and the GUTS to do so.

    Living in a new country takes some initial sacrificing. Having to adapt to new environment and rebuilding from scratch. As a parent we do this for the sake of our children and their children just as our grandparents did for our sake. Still-In-Malaysia, you should feel grateful for the courage of your forefathers that brought you to Malaysia. Likewise, you should feel thankful for your fellow ex-Malaysian who are willing to sacrifice for their children’s future. Stop the blame and if you are staying put, out of no choice, than do your best for your country. If you feel betrayed, I suggest you go back to your kampong and help your hometown friends or you can rot there just to be call patriotic.

    My family is certainly happy here in our adopted country to be our permanent home without being call PENDATANG or even worst name.

  16. Emilio says:

    Abhisit can play at being a respected “Statesman” all he likes, but his time will come. Those poor people who are currently being held illegally in Thai prisons, will one day have the satisfaction of seeing the criminal who put them there facing genocide charges at the World Court.

  17. Moe Aung says:

    yessir, you’re right. The elites i.e. rulers and big business do complement each other even if they do certain things for different reasons.

    The Burmese regime displaces people in their thousands both voluntarily as economic migrants and involuntarily as refugees from its genocidal wars against ethnic minorities. A brain drain and a vast pool of cheap labour and second class citizens for the neighbouring states.

    In return these states are happy to continue to engage and prop up the military regime in Burma. Only the Philippines seems to be an exception within ASEAN as they do not have much contact with it. Lee Kwan Yu may think the generals are ‘dense’ and ‘stupid’, but it never stopped Singapore, with its own pool of cheap Burmese migrant labour, from exploiting the advantage and yes, prop up the junta.

  18. Stephen. says:

    Dylan,

    You can still download the papers as PDFs in this latest edition. The only difference is that you need to pay for them ($5 each). I recently downloaded a few chapters and it took about two working days (Friday to Monday). When your credit card details are confirmed then you then get a confirmation email telling you to download them from your account on the ISEAS website. I am sure that the various authors would not mind if you shared your PDF copies of their papers with your Myanmar colleagues who lack credit cards.

  19. asiasentinel is blocked via TOT. It often is. I use a proxy all the time, and switch to TOT only to see if a given site is blocked.

  20. Emilio says:

    GOTCHA!