Just a quick thought – I’ve never understood why Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn had to be bailed out by Thaksin in the first place. One would have thought there’s enough money at the family’s disposal…
The salutation “friend”is reserved for my true cohorts among which there are neither ‘manfridays’ nor with surname ‘Crusoe’.
How your unforgivable ignorant view,on “the fate of 50 millions” that get the shortest ends of your westerner perception of Myanmar
through “punish the SPDC to effect democracy”, is evident with this statement:
“Your defense of the generals”
Hey, Charles F #6 or is it Charles Crusoe??
Can you get this simplest of concept?
SPDC тЙа 5o million Citizenry.
Daw Aung San Suu Kyi + SPDC тЙа 50 million Cirizenry
@reporter
AFP do however allow editing of their news articles by websites that they sponsor with their banners like “Thaivisa” . The AFP sponsored text had let out the Crown Prince and according to the text, Thaksin was not the former PM at the time of the cable but the PM.
It might be very well so that the absurd lese majesty laws are to blame, but it is either publishing unedited or not publishing. I certainly agree that the Thai newspapers are falsifying stories on demand of the elite, but I expect from AFP that if they sponsor a website and allow a banner published under one of their articles that the articles are unedited by third parties.
more damning, perhaps, than the internet crackdown, is the actual content of the leaks. for example, how can the U.S. convince Myanmar to free its political prisoners (who were tried under complete impunity or imprisoned outside the context of the law), when Nay Pyi Daw can now see how the U.S. spent the better part of the past 2 years essentially trading its own political prisoners around the world, bargaining with friendly countries to take on transfers of prisoners tried under a dodgy set of supra-legal military tribunal laws…
John Francis Lee #8
re :
“Assange’s paen to that great ‘journalist’, Rupert Murdoch”
Assange’s paen was actually to Rupert Murdoch’s father – Sir Keith Murdoch.
Les Abbey #11
re.
“He may speak of 2009 and turn the virtual bodies talked about on New Mandala into real bodies. Maybe that monk did see hundreds of bodies being loaded into vans.”
Which monk ? Could you cite a source please ?
@Taruman
AFP and other newswires don’t edit their stories to fit Thailand’s particular needs. That task falls to editors of Bangkok Post and other media lapdogs (woof! said the poodle).
Of course, if they start to rewrite AFP stories they would breach the terms of use. But dropping a paragraph here and there is normal.
I think it goes without doubt that the manner that the sodomy charges have been brought on Anwar suggests government complicity.
The WikiLeaks has no effect legally – as I don’t think any court of law will accept espionage as evidence.
But its most potent effect is what will it do to Malay-Muslim fence-sitters. Then Mahathir & UMNO’s strategy was always to destroy Anwar’s credibility among conservative Malay-Muslims.
Citing AFP, the Bangkok Post’s print edition on page 4 today ran the Wikileaks story on “corrupt’ Thaksin as told by Singapore top foreign ministry officials, who also bad-mouthed Malaysia, Japan, India, etc.
The curious thing is that nothing is mentioned at all about this highly taboo topic in Thailand. My question is who deleted that part — is it AFP or Bangkok Post which does not want to be closed down.
As a Post reader who also reads NM, I feel cheated by this newspaper which does not tell the complete story.
Jim and Golf: through my server in Bangkok I tried to access the Prachathai English version mentioned by Jim and found that it is blocked by MICT. The Thai version is accessible, but the page is “unavailable”, however it is possible to access an English information page via this address: http://www.prachatai3.info/english/
I’m getting to dislike wikileaks more with each passing revelation of there “business plan”.
Getting down to basics, disliking Wikileaks is showing a dislike for the truth. It may be embarrassing but it allows a chink of light into areas that mere citizens never usually get to see until many years after the events, if at all.
Wikileaks may even support or disprove our own theories. We may find the US ambassador in Bangkok saying that Thaksin really is a true democrat and not in the slightest bit corrupt. He may speak of 2009 and turn the virtual bodies talked about on New Mandala into real bodies. Maybe that monk did see hundreds of bodies being loaded into vans.
The only people here that should worry are those who fear a little more facts rather than propaganda entering the debate. The mainstream press retort of it’s information they already knew is just a smokescreen. There are things we may have suspected but now we may get the details filled in a little. Hasn’t that already happened regarding Thailand with the Singapore leak?
john francis lee #8 Bradley Manning threw himself under a bus. Part of what he did was great, part was just plain silly. These diplomatic cables are 1.4 Gb compressed and probably 10 Gb uncompressed. If That is released in one drop the sound and fury will be magnificent for one week and then passed over and forgotten. Most of the information in the Asian cables will only confirm what you have suspected all along, plus a few disgusting extras. The slow drip of information will, hopefully, be excruciating for some and have a far more profound effect.
Golf: Prachatai English version: http://www.prachatai.com/english/
then there is the online Thai version of Prachatai: р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╣Др╕Ч р╕лр╕Щр╕▒р╕Зр╕кр╕╖р╕нр╕Юр╕┤р╕бр╕Юр╣Мр╕нр╕нр╕Щр╣Др╕ер╕Щр╣М (try: http://www.prachatai3.info/)
Users can somtimes circumvent blocking using proxy servers connecting through a third party computer to disguise their intended destination; then remeber there is software developed to get past firewalls…
The cables, leaked exclusively to The Sunday Age by WikiLeaks, The cables, leaked exclusively to The Sunday Age by WikiLeaks,…
I’m getting to dislike wikileaks more with each passing revelation of there “business plan”.
Wikileaks; sources, like Bradley Manning, are thrown under the bus while wikileaks selectively market this kind of trash to the, no doubt, highest bidder.
I read Julian Assange’s paen to that great ‘journalist’, Rupert Murdoch, and it seems completely appropriate for him to drawing his ‘inspiration’ from that ‘great man’.
Resistance is futile and all that. He must be the greatest admirer alive of the Burmese military regime with boundless faith in its invicibility. He’d be the last person to acknowledge that his unassailable iron clad generals have feet of clay.
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Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
Just a quick thought – I’ve never understood why Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn had to be bailed out by Thaksin in the first place. One would have thought there’s enough money at the family’s disposal…
Surveillance in Burma
The salutation “friend”is reserved for my true cohorts among which there are neither ‘manfridays’ nor with surname ‘Crusoe’.
How your unforgivable ignorant view,on “the fate of 50 millions” that get the shortest ends of your westerner perception of Myanmar
through “punish the SPDC to effect democracy”, is evident with this statement:
“Your defense of the generals”
Hey, Charles F #6 or is it Charles Crusoe??
Can you get this simplest of concept?
SPDC тЙа 5o million Citizenry.
Daw Aung San Suu Kyi + SPDC тЙа 50 million Cirizenry
You are making all westerners look bad.
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
@reporter
AFP do however allow editing of their news articles by websites that they sponsor with their banners like “Thaivisa” . The AFP sponsored text had let out the Crown Prince and according to the text, Thaksin was not the former PM at the time of the cable but the PM.
It might be very well so that the absurd lese majesty laws are to blame, but it is either publishing unedited or not publishing. I certainly agree that the Thai newspapers are falsifying stories on demand of the elite, but I expect from AFP that if they sponsor a website and allow a banner published under one of their articles that the articles are unedited by third parties.
In the wake of attacks on Wikileaks…
more damning, perhaps, than the internet crackdown, is the actual content of the leaks. for example, how can the U.S. convince Myanmar to free its political prisoners (who were tried under complete impunity or imprisoned outside the context of the law), when Nay Pyi Daw can now see how the U.S. spent the better part of the past 2 years essentially trading its own political prisoners around the world, bargaining with friendly countries to take on transfers of prisoners tried under a dodgy set of supra-legal military tribunal laws…
WikiLeaks – Anwar argues this strengthens his conspiracy theory
[…] his part, Anwar tweeted that the cable reports from Wikileaks strengthened his argument that there was a conspiracy on the […]
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
John Francis Lee #8
re :
“Assange’s paen to that great ‘journalist’, Rupert Murdoch”
Assange’s paen was actually to Rupert Murdoch’s father – Sir Keith Murdoch.
Les Abbey #11
re.
“He may speak of 2009 and turn the virtual bodies talked about on New Mandala into real bodies. Maybe that monk did see hundreds of bodies being loaded into vans.”
Which monk ? Could you cite a source please ?
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
@Taruman
AFP and other newswires don’t edit their stories to fit Thailand’s particular needs. That task falls to editors of Bangkok Post and other media lapdogs (woof! said the poodle).
Of course, if they start to rewrite AFP stories they would breach the terms of use. But dropping a paragraph here and there is normal.
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
@ A. Wales & John Francis Lee.
I think it goes without doubt that the manner that the sodomy charges have been brought on Anwar suggests government complicity.
The WikiLeaks has no effect legally – as I don’t think any court of law will accept espionage as evidence.
But its most potent effect is what will it do to Malay-Muslim fence-sitters. Then Mahathir & UMNO’s strategy was always to destroy Anwar’s credibility among conservative Malay-Muslims.
WikiLeaks – Anwar argues this strengthens his conspiracy theory
[…] his part, Anwar tweeted that the cable reports from Wikileaks strengthened his argument that there was a conspiracy on the […]
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
Citing AFP, the Bangkok Post’s print edition on page 4 today ran the Wikileaks story on “corrupt’ Thaksin as told by Singapore top foreign ministry officials, who also bad-mouthed Malaysia, Japan, India, etc.
The curious thing is that nothing is mentioned at all about this highly taboo topic in Thailand. My question is who deleted that part — is it AFP or Bangkok Post which does not want to be closed down.
As a Post reader who also reads NM, I feel cheated by this newspaper which does not tell the complete story.
Red Shirts and real change
Jim and Golf: through my server in Bangkok I tried to access the Prachathai English version mentioned by Jim and found that it is blocked by MICT. The Thai version is accessible, but the page is “unavailable”, however it is possible to access an English information page via this address: http://www.prachatai3.info/english/
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
John Francis Lee – 8
I’m getting to dislike wikileaks more with each passing revelation of there “business plan”.
Getting down to basics, disliking Wikileaks is showing a dislike for the truth. It may be embarrassing but it allows a chink of light into areas that mere citizens never usually get to see until many years after the events, if at all.
Wikileaks may even support or disprove our own theories. We may find the US ambassador in Bangkok saying that Thaksin really is a true democrat and not in the slightest bit corrupt. He may speak of 2009 and turn the virtual bodies talked about on New Mandala into real bodies. Maybe that monk did see hundreds of bodies being loaded into vans.
The only people here that should worry are those who fear a little more facts rather than propaganda entering the debate. The mainstream press retort of it’s information they already knew is just a smokescreen. There are things we may have suspected but now we may get the details filled in a little. Hasn’t that already happened regarding Thailand with the Singapore leak?
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
john francis lee #8 Bradley Manning threw himself under a bus. Part of what he did was great, part was just plain silly. These diplomatic cables are 1.4 Gb compressed and probably 10 Gb uncompressed. If That is released in one drop the sound and fury will be magnificent for one week and then passed over and forgotten. Most of the information in the Asian cables will only confirm what you have suspected all along, plus a few disgusting extras. The slow drip of information will, hopefully, be excruciating for some and have a far more profound effect.
Red Shirts and real change
Golf: Prachatai English version: http://www.prachatai.com/english/
then there is the online Thai version of Prachatai: р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╣Др╕Ч р╕лр╕Щр╕▒р╕Зр╕кр╕╖р╕нр╕Юр╕┤р╕бр╕Юр╣Мр╕нр╕нр╕Щр╣Др╕ер╕Щр╣М (try: http://www.prachatai3.info/)
Users can somtimes circumvent blocking using proxy servers connecting through a third party computer to disguise their intended destination; then remeber there is software developed to get past firewalls…
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
Or maybe they are ensuring that they get excellent and relevant initial coverage? Seems like they are in a fight for life, so all power to them.
Red Shirts and real change
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Khun Da,
You are always in my heart. I know many many people will not forget you. Be happy.
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Red Shirts and real change
From this website, I try to link to the “Political Prisoners in Thailand
” but it has been blocked by The ICT.
Anyone can help ?
Wikileaks, Thaksin and the Crown Prince
The cables, leaked exclusively to The Sunday Age by WikiLeaks, The cables, leaked exclusively to The Sunday Age by WikiLeaks,…
I’m getting to dislike wikileaks more with each passing revelation of there “business plan”.
Wikileaks; sources, like Bradley Manning, are thrown under the bus while wikileaks selectively market this kind of trash to the, no doubt, highest bidder.
I read Julian Assange’s paen to that great ‘journalist’, Rupert Murdoch, and it seems completely appropriate for him to drawing his ‘inspiration’ from that ‘great man’.
Surveillance in Burma
Charles F.,
Our friend plan B is nothing if not persistent and consistent. He reminds me of Lord Haw-Haw too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw-Haw
Resistance is futile and all that. He must be the greatest admirer alive of the Burmese military regime with boundless faith in its invicibility. He’d be the last person to acknowledge that his unassailable iron clad generals have feet of clay.