1)”I think the Thai middle classes view of the Esarn people as sub human is fed every night on their TV screens. The dark skinned Thai only appears on the TV screen as an object of fun something to be laughed”.
Should n’t you have written : “dark-skinned LAO – they are not “Thai” ! ?
2)”very rarely are any characters in the soaps of obviously north eastern origin” – yes : the saops are almost always located in
the South, Bangkok, or Chiang Mai.
Shows how much the Thai elite and middle-class are really convinced Isaarn is genuinely part of their country !
Anyone who finds this shocking or suprising, should read Van Praagh’s excellent book on Seri Pramoj.
Incidentally I bought my copy in Thailand, years after the Thammasat ’76 massacre, by which time the book was apparently not considered LM.
But it is suprisingly candid about the role of the woman who can be identified by her hair-style in that post @#10.
I think Andrew would benefit from extending his research to a few villages in the south. You might hear some rather different political viewpoints from equally hard off and oppressed rural communities.
Frankly you seem to me to be a classic case of ‘development capture’ to me and overly prone to extrapolating the views of your pet village to the rest of the country.
How many seats does the opposition hold in the south? Do you know why?
To Robert Cooper. Lao and Thai nationals, especially Lao make about $40/month. Can’t expect them to pay $100 registration fee. Also the students get a lower rate than anyone because they are students and do not yet have jobs. Most foreign scholars get reimburse from their home institution for attending academic conferences.
Also, Japanese, Chinese, Cambodians, Singaporians, Taiwanese, Indians, Lao-French, Lao-Australian, and Lao-Americans had to pay the slightly higher registration fees. The last time I checked their skin color is about the same as the people of Laos and Thailand.
Just want to let you people know that that most of the foreign medias report the news quite similar to each other, not exclusive to CNN. I believed that CNN has been targeted because they showed France24 reporters Nelson Rand being shot by the soldier and then rescued by a red shirt guard, that is something the elite establishment don’t want the world to see, but CNN broadcast it anyway.
Anyhow, I’ve read Khun Napas many many many times (more than 5) I’m sure her ability to use big word and fancy language is top-notch but her ability to back her logic is very poor. Khun Napas never explain what is CNN bias about or what is the “half truth” that she mentioned actually is. Her letter doesn’t prove anything but to cemented the image of typical Bangkok elite; arrogant, ignorant, and xenophobic. She is like female version of Somtow.
…the main bit of video on CNN that got the PAD/Yellow group and Thais like Napas so worked up was the footage of Thai Army snipers (who were well back from the danger zone and not under direct threat) squeezing off sniper rounds at the demonstrators and corresponding footage of a number of apparently unarmed demonstrators being hit by various live rounds and falling to the ground, either dead or wounded…..ie., reportage of actual events happening and an example of worthy news coverage by Dan Rivers and CNN, not some kind of phony coverage.
….meanwhile the Minister of Information Panitan, the PM Abhisit and the Army Spokesperson (who has since become a Thai Pop celebrity) were denying that Thai Army snipers were firing sniper rounds at demonstrators, that any Thai Army soldiers were firing live rounds at demonstrators except when under direct threat, and that the only people shooting demonstrators were the mysterious “Black Shirts” who they claimed were all “Red Shirt Provocateurs” shooting their own demonstrators as a provocation.
…and into this situation, various letters and blog posts like the Napas letter were sent around attacking Dan Rivers and CNN.
….Bangkok Pundit blog carried a number of detailed answers to these attacks on CNN and the “Foreign Media” per the following links:
I’m all for bashing the big evil domination of the mainstream media by overpowerful conglomerates. But I’m flabbergasted that others who are bashing the big evil media are bashing CNN, which has taken a contrarian position, instead of 3/5/7/9 – which together monopolize the Thai media landscape and are owned by and take orders from one entity: the Royal Thai Government.
I don’t know the letter real or not, and I don’t want to know that why the letter spreaded through internet and why some websites posted and pulled. The most important, for the people in unjustice society, especially in developing countries, is to leave from the world the of Giant Medias like CNN to dominate, and I think Khun Naps is very brave lady to speak loudly that CNN’s reporter not good enough. I don’t know how quality he is, because many times that giant medias’ repoters told not true story, not fake but not true. You’re great Khun Napas.
Actually, Kadaley, if it’s Zionist bias that you’re afraid of (and I can’t imagine why that would apply to coverage of the Thai political situation), you’ll see that the Al-Jazeera coverage of the May events wasn’t that different from CNN’s coverage.
I don’t mind that the letter is real or not. I’m interested about Khun Napas’s reaction to CNN. She’s brave lady who stands straight to protect her country from the half-true-story by CNN, the same half-true-story in Middle East which sometimes imaginary story when local people in Middle East leart from it. That why we have our own media to balance the take-side CNN.
“Turd…” “Crap…” StanG’s degeneration of his argument to spewing out such terms supports the idea that StanG is actually the puerile concoction of a bunch of PAD teens who can rarely formulate an intelligent argument. His recent fact-free huffing and puffing on Bangkok Pundit lends further support to the theory.
And if you ask me, what Amsterdam has wrong is saying “The assault against democracy was launched with the planning and execution of a military coup d’état in 2006.” IMHO, the annulment of the election by the courts marked the launch of the assault against democracy.
StanG #97 “Its been all discussed to death already.” So you think there is nothing left to be said? Can I take it from that you are now going to retire gracefully fom the boards? If so, I wish you bon voyage.
StanG #97 wrote: “Do you think I reject them because no one has wrapped hem into a “crisp” paper yet?” No, the impression I am left with is that you reject them out of nothing other than blind prejudice. What is so intractable about this debate at every level from the government/political sphere right down to humble blogposters such as you and me, is the complete inability of either side to attempt rational engagement with the other. I freely admit that those of us who believe that Thaksin was not as bad as he is painted and that the real crime has been co-ordinated attack on democratic values and institutions, are equally guilty in this regard. But your attitude is an absolutely classic case.
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Andrew Marshall on politics and education
doyle2499 @#11
1)”I think the Thai middle classes view of the Esarn people as sub human is fed every night on their TV screens. The dark skinned Thai only appears on the TV screen as an object of fun something to be laughed”.
Should n’t you have written : “dark-skinned LAO – they are not “Thai” ! ?
2)”very rarely are any characters in the soaps of obviously north eastern origin” – yes : the saops are almost always located in
the South, Bangkok, or Chiang Mai.
Shows how much the Thai elite and middle-class are really convinced Isaarn is genuinely part of their country !
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
Anyone who finds this shocking or suprising, should read Van Praagh’s excellent book on Seri Pramoj.
Incidentally I bought my copy in Thailand, years after the Thammasat ’76 massacre, by which time the book was apparently not considered LM.
But it is suprisingly candid about the role of the woman who can be identified by her hair-style in that post @#10.
Andrew Marshall on politics and education
I think Andrew would benefit from extending his research to a few villages in the south. You might hear some rather different political viewpoints from equally hard off and oppressed rural communities.
Frankly you seem to me to be a classic case of ‘development capture’ to me and overly prone to extrapolating the views of your pet village to the rest of the country.
How many seats does the opposition hold in the south? Do you know why?
Lao studies conference 2010: the fascination of the marginal
To Robert Cooper. Lao and Thai nationals, especially Lao make about $40/month. Can’t expect them to pay $100 registration fee. Also the students get a lower rate than anyone because they are students and do not yet have jobs. Most foreign scholars get reimburse from their home institution for attending academic conferences.
Also, Japanese, Chinese, Cambodians, Singaporians, Taiwanese, Indians, Lao-French, Lao-Australian, and Lao-Americans had to pay the slightly higher registration fees. The last time I checked their skin color is about the same as the people of Laos and Thailand.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
Kadely,suntorn
just because Thai media is pro-Thai doesn’t mean that they are more reliable in reporting about Thailand.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
suntorn s. – 16
M.B.Y Kaladey – 14
Just want to let you people know that that most of the foreign medias report the news quite similar to each other, not exclusive to CNN. I believed that CNN has been targeted because they showed France24 reporters Nelson Rand being shot by the soldier and then rescued by a red shirt guard, that is something the elite establishment don’t want the world to see, but CNN broadcast it anyway.
Anyhow, I’ve read Khun Napas many many many times (more than 5) I’m sure her ability to use big word and fancy language is top-notch but her ability to back her logic is very poor. Khun Napas never explain what is CNN bias about or what is the “half truth” that she mentioned actually is. Her letter doesn’t prove anything but to cemented the image of typical Bangkok elite; arrogant, ignorant, and xenophobic. She is like female version of Somtow.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
What a mess!
It’s time for the queen to take action openly.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
…here is a link to the always interesting Political Prisoners Thailand blog’s post on the Queen’s letter to Napas situation…….
http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/the-queen-again-and-again/
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
…the main bit of video on CNN that got the PAD/Yellow group and Thais like Napas so worked up was the footage of Thai Army snipers (who were well back from the danger zone and not under direct threat) squeezing off sniper rounds at the demonstrators and corresponding footage of a number of apparently unarmed demonstrators being hit by various live rounds and falling to the ground, either dead or wounded…..ie., reportage of actual events happening and an example of worthy news coverage by Dan Rivers and CNN, not some kind of phony coverage.
….meanwhile the Minister of Information Panitan, the PM Abhisit and the Army Spokesperson (who has since become a Thai Pop celebrity) were denying that Thai Army snipers were firing sniper rounds at demonstrators, that any Thai Army soldiers were firing live rounds at demonstrators except when under direct threat, and that the only people shooting demonstrators were the mysterious “Black Shirts” who they claimed were all “Red Shirt Provocateurs” shooting their own demonstrators as a provocation.
…and into this situation, various letters and blog posts like the Napas letter were sent around attacking Dan Rivers and CNN.
….Bangkok Pundit blog carried a number of detailed answers to these attacks on CNN and the “Foreign Media” per the following links:
http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog/is-cnn-s-coverage-really-biased
http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/bangkok-pundit-blog/rational-responses-to-cnn-and-media-bias
http://us.asiancorrespondent.com/asiasentinel/thailand-international-media-under-fire
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
I’m all for bashing the big evil domination of the mainstream media by overpowerful conglomerates. But I’m flabbergasted that others who are bashing the big evil media are bashing CNN, which has taken a contrarian position, instead of 3/5/7/9 – which together monopolize the Thai media landscape and are owned by and take orders from one entity: the Royal Thai Government.
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/33592312/Listening-to-Voices-from-Inside-Ethnic-People-Speak
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31982963/Implications-of-the-New-Constitution-and-Election-Laws
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34221430/Burma-in-2010-A-Critical-Year-in-Ethnic-Politics
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35220610/NDI-BURMA-S-2010-ELECTORAL-FRAMEWORK-FUNDAMENTALLY-UNDEMOCRATIC
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
I don’t know the letter real or not, and I don’t want to know that why the letter spreaded through internet and why some websites posted and pulled. The most important, for the people in unjustice society, especially in developing countries, is to leave from the world the of Giant Medias like CNN to dominate, and I think Khun Naps is very brave lady to speak loudly that CNN’s reporter not good enough. I don’t know how quality he is, because many times that giant medias’ repoters told not true story, not fake but not true. You’re great Khun Napas.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
Actually, Kadaley, if it’s Zionist bias that you’re afraid of (and I can’t imagine why that would apply to coverage of the Thai political situation), you’ll see that the Al-Jazeera coverage of the May events wasn’t that different from CNN’s coverage.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
I don’t mind that the letter is real or not. I’m interested about Khun Napas’s reaction to CNN. She’s brave lady who stands straight to protect her country from the half-true-story by CNN, the same half-true-story in Middle East which sometimes imaginary story when local people in Middle East leart from it. That why we have our own media to balance the take-side CNN.
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“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
Enough! These endless exchanges with StanG are tedious. I plan on making liberal use of the trash button. AW
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
“Turd…” “Crap…” StanG’s degeneration of his argument to spewing out such terms supports the idea that StanG is actually the puerile concoction of a bunch of PAD teens who can rarely formulate an intelligent argument. His recent fact-free huffing and puffing on Bangkok Pundit lends further support to the theory.
And if you ask me, what Amsterdam has wrong is saying “The assault against democracy was launched with the planning and execution of a military coup d’état in 2006.” IMHO, the annulment of the election by the courts marked the launch of the assault against democracy.
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
StanG #97 “Its been all discussed to death already.” So you think there is nothing left to be said? Can I take it from that you are now going to retire gracefully fom the boards? If so, I wish you bon voyage.
Letter from Sirikit to Napas Na Pombejra about CNN?
Pulled off Thai pages but now on Reuters:
http://blogs.reuters.com/andrew-marshall/2010/08/03/thailand-the-queen-and-cnn/
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
StanG #97 wrote: “Do you think I reject them because no one has wrapped hem into a “crisp” paper yet?” No, the impression I am left with is that you reject them out of nothing other than blind prejudice. What is so intractable about this debate at every level from the government/political sphere right down to humble blogposters such as you and me, is the complete inability of either side to attempt rational engagement with the other. I freely admit that those of us who believe that Thaksin was not as bad as he is painted and that the real crime has been co-ordinated attack on democratic values and institutions, are equally guilty in this regard. But your attitude is an absolutely classic case.