If you dare follow
Suan Prung gate at “The southwest is the most inauspicious of directions.”
.. you end up at Airport Central, a hideous, windowless “Maul” where crazy motorists congregate in a multi storey car park with endless spiral ramps and on a Thursday afternoon going up and down in the faint hope of finding a car park.
.. at least Central World had windows, if no ventilation
After reading all the deprecatory comments about the “Education” system and its Ajarns, it seems rather odd that Andrew asks his question.
As an aside I have a friend currently conducting a research program to try to test the assertion, apparently made by the King, that building check dams along forest streams makes the forest more moist and less fire prone.
Wonder if he will be allowed to publish what would be the first scientific study here of a program which has been going for over a decade, cost countless millions and caused environmental damage of an order probably only eclipsed by the current murderous government’s stream dredging (and vegetation destruction) program?
Recently a bright young Thai government researcher told an audience, after ensuring his wife was the only other Thai in the room, how the Royal check dams are destroying stream life and that nobody dares criticize the program.
Cazique, do you have a source for Pramote Nakorntorp’s assertion that the comment was from the 70’s? I saw dozens of instances people linking the the quote in Facebook, but everybody seemed to think that it was a response to the Red Shirt protests.
Also, could you explain the responses to the ““Tell me how I should change” quote? Was it published in newspapers, or was it passed on through word of mouth? Did the palace ever confirm/deny it at the time? Was it made pre-1973 or pre-1976?
Chart #46 – do you think it’s helpful to hide these things, and condemn the messenger? Social ills like these are symptoms. Until they can be acknowledged and talked about freely, there is little hope of clearing up the causes.
Dean #45’s anecdotes & comments are not sensationalist, nor do I believe that he is ‘putting down’ Esarn people; he is merely stating facts that many Esarn people know to be true. I dearly love my Esarn friends, & they tell me similar stories – not to elicit pity, but to illustrate their frustration.
I’m close to a family near the Laos border, who are dignified & ethical people. Their life story, while not exceptional, is full of horror & injustice. Grandfather was murdered & other family members had to leave their land (taken over by the murderers) & go to another province. The cops colluded with the murderers. After years, they were able to get justice & the land was returned. Meanwhile, Father, a very good furniture maker, who worked for 6 years in Saudi to get the money to fix their house & get his craft going, was falsely imprisoned for using forest timber (planted by his competitors). After release from gaol, he’d given up, & became alcoholic. Finally, he gave up alcohol, but by this time had very bad arthritis & spent his final years in pain, unable to work.
The mother & eldest daughter kept the family together through all of this, as well as planting & harvesting rice, weaving & all the other necessary work. My friend, the youngest son, now in his 30s, is about to finish a part-time uni course, during which he has worked full-time, for a pathetically small salary. Older sister has a 9-year-old son who has only spent 1 year with his father, between Kh Por’s working in Taiwan & Korea. She recently discovered her son had stolen 500baht from her. She boxed his ears, told him “In this family we don’t steal,’ gave him 1000baht & told him not to come home till it was all gone.
My friend’s mother has recently been diagnosed with final-stage cancer, of a type common in their village, probably due to excessive insecticides & chemical fertilisers, pushed on them by chemical companies who pay bribes to the village leaders. After all that!
So, not all Esarn people have such strength of character, but who can blame them? What is it that is wrong in their culture? Could it be generations of hardship & hopelessness, with no help to lift them out of it? Keep them stupid & feed them scraps, & why wouldn’t they have a tendency to live like pigs?
To merely blame ‘Bangkok’ is to take away personal responsibility, this is true. Bangkok’s social ills are also symptoms. The airhead Bkk yuppies who call the Redshirts stupid terrorists & scream, “Kill them all! They’re just working for Thaksin!” are just as sick. People don’t have dignity & strength until they have ownership & feel safe to work together; awareness of, & desire for democracy is the beginning of that. Most Thais, from all areas, have no understanding of democracy. Why?
It’s very clear to me that Abhisit had no real intention of compromise with the Redshirts. He threw his cosmetic & ridiculously unrealistic (given the time-line) ‘5-point Plan’ at them & said “Take it or leave it.” Predictably, the Reds said, “We’ll leave it,” because they had no sense of ownership. If he’d sat down with them & stayed until they’d negotiated an agreement together, even if it took a week, 2 weeks, maybe everything would be different. (Look at what the Brits have just been through. They kept the nation waiting, under great pressure, even incurring ridicule, for a week, while they negotiated a coalition between 2 very different parties. Because they really wanted it to work.)
Abhisit’s ‘top-down’ approach is typical of the way the poo-yai run businesses. It’s wasteful & inefficient, & breeds discontent, because the ‘I know what’s best for you’ approach ultimately means, ‘I think you’re so stupid that I can’t be bothered giving you input.I’m on top, so I must be right.’ Which is always untrue; people always have something to contribute. If someone is discontented, isn’t it obvious they would be the expert on what can fix it? The trick in negotiating is to stick it out until the blustering emotional stuff is burnt out, make a deal that all parties are committed to finding a workable solution, & then the real talk can begin, just like in family stuff. All Abhisit was concerned with was looking like he was the good guy, the white knight, handing out miracles to the buffaloes.
“… and yet they did nothing for Giles Ji Ungpakorn.”
You’re being a bit harsh on some Chula academics.
I well remember a talk at the FCCT about 9 months ago, where
one of Ji’s colleagues DID defend Ji “as a colleague”, despite disagreeing with him.
Obviously there are immense pressures on Chula academics, even in normal times, to tow a certain line or another. Even more so now.
If they did n’t defend Ji further it may well have been because they did n’t agree with his non-mainstream, Trotskyist views.
Those who have signed this petition deserve respect for their courage.
Yes you are right, I mistook the Magna Carta from the UK constitution, I totally misunderstood to think that UK got a “written” constitution, and one more mistake that I miss typed “Round head” as “Copper head” another mistake, sorry for that. However, I didn’t mean to say all those point in chronological order by the way, it was just in random order.
I realized this is pro Redshirt! Look the thumbs up and down. Reds are doing their stuff overtime. But Reds seems to given it to the master criminal with a phd in criminal justice. No justice; No peace was his motto. Hey, you are dealing with a political party with many lawyers. When every core leaders of the Redshirts had spoken and recorded as evidence the Dems shut the People Channel and waited for the “sea of fire”! Actions to match words? Or words to match actions? Hide under R. Amsterdamn skirt preschool sandbox rascal! You long to put your filthy hand in the cookie jar? Play Robin Crook again? Fagin!
The shameful acts of collecting casualty statistics. The PT lawyer with powdered white face and his large envelopes does look like Count Dracula. I believe the dead Redshirts were just an object to you. The Supreme leader and dictator owns you like some merchandise too. Many of you from New Aspiration party were bought. 30,000,000,000.00 baht from the loot of 1997 baht devaluation were used for 2001 TRT victory. 2005 victory came handouts of our tax money. “Do you want me to come back for more goodies?” Ceremony before election 2005. Many of my village local administrators are waiting for your loot handouts. NM reader, your corruptive master and you are united against democracy.
Do you not realize that the rioting were done near the slums, Klong Toey and Huey Kwang? Good move and shoot these low lives from Khru Prateep Hata. My Redshirts friends in the Issarn said they willing to die for the Supreme Master and become buffaloes the next life. That is 40 odd buffaloes the money the Thai govt is dishing out per head! Nopparit, take note!
The Master Supreme prophecy of solving Bkk notorious traffic came to past!
One last warning to NM readers, do not fool around with the Dems lawyers esp. Suthep. HaHah! Thumbs down, pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My other point is that Thaksin could have deflated a lot of the popular opposition that arose against him in 2006, if he had made a show of voluntarily paying some tax on the transaction or donating the equivalent to causes benefitting the rural poor…
Chamlong asked Thaksin to pay the tax and he then wouldn’t join the PAD. Thaksin didn’t of course and Chamlong did.
Well, one thing His Majesty could do is to dissolve his “Praetorian Guard”, much as Emperor Constantine did.
Indeed, if I may be so bold, I would suggest that His Majesty read a well-written history of the Roman Republic/Empire and contemplate its contents until he can recognize the “Sejanuses” (Seiani to be pedantic :)) in his own court.
Please kindly forward this short and simple open letter to CNN and your readers.
Sir,
As one of your loyal viewers since 1980s, I would like to express my appreciation to your coverage of recent tragedy in Thailand.
As a Thai, living in Bangkok, why do I have to watch CNN for stories in Thailand? Because I want other sides of the story. I do not only watch CNN, but also other news channels, blogs, and media on internet, including social ones.
Then, I CAN THINK, DECIDE, and MAKE my analysis.
By offering an alternative source of information, CNN has done its duty.
And by having this kind of choice, Thais still have our “sustainable liberty”.
What would Thailand be if we were only bombarded with one-sided Thai government propaganda, with budget from Thai people?
If the world is so na├пve and blindly blames Thai government, and the “prestigious reputation” of Thailand, so be it.
Please keep on telling stories of Thailand to the world.
Editors: Andrews, Tim Siengthai, Sununta
ISBN: 978 0 415 44332 6
Format: Paperback
Pages: 224
List price(s): 29.99 GBP 49.95 USD
Publication date: 17 May 2009
Short description
Following the Asian financial crisis of 1997-1998, the management of organizations in Thailand has undergone significant change and development. This book examines the development of management during this pivotal period in the country’s history. It examines the political, economic, social and technological changes from 1997-2008.
Table of contents
1. Introduction Tim G. Andrews 2. Business in Thailand: An Overview Greg Watkins & Stephen Frost Macro-management Forces 3. Political Backdrop 1997-2008 Kullada Kesboonchuu & Apirux Wanasathop
Dear Lee,
Patronizing is the term a government would use to dismiss an argument that sounds in nobodies ears pretty. Complexity should be simplified if the own people do not understand it anymore – there is nothing complex about corruption and censorship, its state power that is used for suppression.
I did not use the Nazis as a comparison but as an example in how far a situation can be distorted and starts to live an own life with full support of the population.
This is only possible because the concept of an enemy is created that suggest that this enemy is unrighteous and preying on the rest of the population (just as the Jews in Nazi Germany who had a big part in building the country but were gassed in the end).
Initiation to reach the goal of exclusion, takes place by a complete projection of the own means onto this group of the population, trying hard to discredit them and manipulating the truth, like in a Hollywood film about CIA conspiracy.
As you yourself did make the link to Nazi Germany – and started again your propaganda machine and even tried hard to discredit my post by labeling it as “hippy talk” and “farang, who knows nothing about Thailand cliché ” and you seized all possibilities to dismiss my point of view as nonsense – tells more about you, as a person then most likely you wanted to reveal about yourself.
People like you make sure and seem to make it to their life purpose to separate instead of unite, to exclude rather then to integrate.
I feel really sorry for you – going through life with a tunnel view must not be very pleasant but I am sure that you silently hope that you have an own personal advantage in the end. Just wonder what that might be?
All the Red supporters should give themselves a good pat on the back for supporting the Issan rural poor as they act like they are the only poor in Thailand. The poor and downtrodden slaves of the N/NE vs The Rich Elite from Bangkok. Forget about the poor fishing villages all the way down the south that get ignored by governments ever since Thaksin used the North/NE as a support base. The anti Monarch sentiment on this forum is sickening coming from “Thai expert foreigners” who see the King as some kind of Satan on the throne. This man has done much more for Thailand than Thaksin will ever do.
The smell of far left know-it-all academics is over balanced in this forum. Just keep on spreading the good word on how bad the King is and how the poor are used by the rich.
Jim Taylor #24. Part of Thaksin’s Shin Corp sale was tax exempt and some not. The taxable event was the sale of shares by Ample Rich to Thaksin’s children for 1 baht a share. There are and were at the time plenty of precedents in Thailand of similar transactions done at below market price being taxed at the market or imputed value. This commonly happens when in-the-money options are granted to company managements, i.e. the difference between the exercise price of the option and the market price of the stock (or imputed price) is considered income by the Revenue Dept and taxed accordingly. Further supporting this tax treatment is the fact that Ample Rich was incorporated in a jurisdiction with no tax treaty with Thailand and that the transaction was done off the market. I don’t argue that the other portions that were not held by Ample Rich could not legitimately benefitted from the tax waiver on gains from shares traded through the market by individuals or foreign corporations subject to tax treaties.
My other point is that Thaksin could have deflated a lot of the popular opposition that arose against him in 2006, if he had made a show of voluntarily paying some tax on the transaction or donating the equivalent to causes benefitting the rural poor, even though he agreed tax was payable. Since the tax issue, even though it was in fact partially correct and partially bogus, was the most emotive one, he might have avoided being turfed out in the coup and still be prime minister today. In that case, it would also have unquestionably been a great commercial decision for him too. But he took your view and decided to play hardball and lost his gamble.
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If you dare follow
Suan Prung gate at “The southwest is the most inauspicious of directions.”
.. you end up at Airport Central, a hideous, windowless “Maul” where crazy motorists congregate in a multi storey car park with endless spiral ramps and on a Thursday afternoon going up and down in the faint hope of finding a car park.
.. at least Central World had windows, if no ventilation
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Abhisit admits he’s lost control of some provinces :
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/179160/govt-watching-out-for-sabotage
Why aren’t more Thai social scientists doing this?
I guess John means :
http://sopranz.blogspot.com/
After reading all the deprecatory comments about the “Education” system and its Ajarns, it seems rather odd that Andrew asks his question.
As an aside I have a friend currently conducting a research program to try to test the assertion, apparently made by the King, that building check dams along forest streams makes the forest more moist and less fire prone.
Wonder if he will be allowed to publish what would be the first scientific study here of a program which has been going for over a decade, cost countless millions and caused environmental damage of an order probably only eclipsed by the current murderous government’s stream dredging (and vegetation destruction) program?
Recently a bright young Thai government researcher told an audience, after ensuring his wife was the only other Thai in the room, how the Royal check dams are destroying stream life and that nobody dares criticize the program.
Thai style democracy?
Pardon my ignorance, but can anyone tell me the difference between the government of Myanmar and the government of Thailand?
I realize that Myanmar does not support a monarchy, but other than that, what real fundamental difference is there between the two “democracies.”
They both crush protests and ban political opponents. The real power in both is the military….
The king and facebook
Cazique, do you have a source for Pramote Nakorntorp’s assertion that the comment was from the 70’s? I saw dozens of instances people linking the the quote in Facebook, but everybody seemed to think that it was a response to the Red Shirt protests.
Also, could you explain the responses to the ““Tell me how I should change” quote? Was it published in newspapers, or was it passed on through word of mouth? Did the palace ever confirm/deny it at the time? Was it made pre-1973 or pre-1976?
The rebellion of Thailand’s middle-income peasants
Chart #46 – do you think it’s helpful to hide these things, and condemn the messenger? Social ills like these are symptoms. Until they can be acknowledged and talked about freely, there is little hope of clearing up the causes.
Dean #45’s anecdotes & comments are not sensationalist, nor do I believe that he is ‘putting down’ Esarn people; he is merely stating facts that many Esarn people know to be true. I dearly love my Esarn friends, & they tell me similar stories – not to elicit pity, but to illustrate their frustration.
I’m close to a family near the Laos border, who are dignified & ethical people. Their life story, while not exceptional, is full of horror & injustice. Grandfather was murdered & other family members had to leave their land (taken over by the murderers) & go to another province. The cops colluded with the murderers. After years, they were able to get justice & the land was returned. Meanwhile, Father, a very good furniture maker, who worked for 6 years in Saudi to get the money to fix their house & get his craft going, was falsely imprisoned for using forest timber (planted by his competitors). After release from gaol, he’d given up, & became alcoholic. Finally, he gave up alcohol, but by this time had very bad arthritis & spent his final years in pain, unable to work.
The mother & eldest daughter kept the family together through all of this, as well as planting & harvesting rice, weaving & all the other necessary work. My friend, the youngest son, now in his 30s, is about to finish a part-time uni course, during which he has worked full-time, for a pathetically small salary. Older sister has a 9-year-old son who has only spent 1 year with his father, between Kh Por’s working in Taiwan & Korea. She recently discovered her son had stolen 500baht from her. She boxed his ears, told him “In this family we don’t steal,’ gave him 1000baht & told him not to come home till it was all gone.
My friend’s mother has recently been diagnosed with final-stage cancer, of a type common in their village, probably due to excessive insecticides & chemical fertilisers, pushed on them by chemical companies who pay bribes to the village leaders. After all that!
So, not all Esarn people have such strength of character, but who can blame them? What is it that is wrong in their culture? Could it be generations of hardship & hopelessness, with no help to lift them out of it? Keep them stupid & feed them scraps, & why wouldn’t they have a tendency to live like pigs?
To merely blame ‘Bangkok’ is to take away personal responsibility, this is true. Bangkok’s social ills are also symptoms. The airhead Bkk yuppies who call the Redshirts stupid terrorists & scream, “Kill them all! They’re just working for Thaksin!” are just as sick. People don’t have dignity & strength until they have ownership & feel safe to work together; awareness of, & desire for democracy is the beginning of that. Most Thais, from all areas, have no understanding of democracy. Why?
It’s very clear to me that Abhisit had no real intention of compromise with the Redshirts. He threw his cosmetic & ridiculously unrealistic (given the time-line) ‘5-point Plan’ at them & said “Take it or leave it.” Predictably, the Reds said, “We’ll leave it,” because they had no sense of ownership. If he’d sat down with them & stayed until they’d negotiated an agreement together, even if it took a week, 2 weeks, maybe everything would be different. (Look at what the Brits have just been through. They kept the nation waiting, under great pressure, even incurring ridicule, for a week, while they negotiated a coalition between 2 very different parties. Because they really wanted it to work.)
Abhisit’s ‘top-down’ approach is typical of the way the poo-yai run businesses. It’s wasteful & inefficient, & breeds discontent, because the ‘I know what’s best for you’ approach ultimately means, ‘I think you’re so stupid that I can’t be bothered giving you input.I’m on top, so I must be right.’ Which is always untrue; people always have something to contribute. If someone is discontented, isn’t it obvious they would be the expert on what can fix it? The trick in negotiating is to stick it out until the blustering emotional stuff is burnt out, make a deal that all parties are committed to finding a workable solution, & then the real talk can begin, just like in family stuff. All Abhisit was concerned with was looking like he was the good guy, the white knight, handing out miracles to the buffaloes.
No dignity = sick soul = hopeless.
Chula academics call for “return of justice and academic freedom”
The Frog #1 :
“… and yet they did nothing for Giles Ji Ungpakorn.”
You’re being a bit harsh on some Chula academics.
I well remember a talk at the FCCT about 9 months ago, where
one of Ji’s colleagues DID defend Ji “as a colleague”, despite disagreeing with him.
Obviously there are immense pressures on Chula academics, even in normal times, to tow a certain line or another. Even more so now.
If they did n’t defend Ji further it may well have been because they did n’t agree with his non-mainstream, Trotskyist views.
Those who have signed this petition deserve respect for their courage.
Thai style democracy?
Steve – 94
Yes you are right, I mistook the Magna Carta from the UK constitution, I totally misunderstood to think that UK got a “written” constitution, and one more mistake that I miss typed “Round head” as “Copper head” another mistake, sorry for that. However, I didn’t mean to say all those point in chronological order by the way, it was just in random order.
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
I realized this is pro Redshirt! Look the thumbs up and down. Reds are doing their stuff overtime. But Reds seems to given it to the master criminal with a phd in criminal justice. No justice; No peace was his motto. Hey, you are dealing with a political party with many lawyers. When every core leaders of the Redshirts had spoken and recorded as evidence the Dems shut the People Channel and waited for the “sea of fire”! Actions to match words? Or words to match actions? Hide under R. Amsterdamn skirt preschool sandbox rascal! You long to put your filthy hand in the cookie jar? Play Robin Crook again? Fagin!
The shameful acts of collecting casualty statistics. The PT lawyer with powdered white face and his large envelopes does look like Count Dracula. I believe the dead Redshirts were just an object to you. The Supreme leader and dictator owns you like some merchandise too. Many of you from New Aspiration party were bought. 30,000,000,000.00 baht from the loot of 1997 baht devaluation were used for 2001 TRT victory. 2005 victory came handouts of our tax money. “Do you want me to come back for more goodies?” Ceremony before election 2005. Many of my village local administrators are waiting for your loot handouts. NM reader, your corruptive master and you are united against democracy.
Do you not realize that the rioting were done near the slums, Klong Toey and Huey Kwang? Good move and shoot these low lives from Khru Prateep Hata. My Redshirts friends in the Issarn said they willing to die for the Supreme Master and become buffaloes the next life. That is 40 odd buffaloes the money the Thai govt is dishing out per head! Nopparit, take note!
The Master Supreme prophecy of solving Bkk notorious traffic came to past!
One last warning to NM readers, do not fool around with the Dems lawyers esp. Suthep. HaHah! Thumbs down, pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The rebellion of Thailand’s middle-income peasants
Portman #50 :
Well said.
Thaksin disasterously mishandled his sale of Shin Corp.
Thanks for providing some of the technical detail here.
The rebellion of Thailand’s middle-income peasants
Portman – 49
My other point is that Thaksin could have deflated a lot of the popular opposition that arose against him in 2006, if he had made a show of voluntarily paying some tax on the transaction or donating the equivalent to causes benefitting the rural poor…
Chamlong asked Thaksin to pay the tax and he then wouldn’t join the PAD. Thaksin didn’t of course and Chamlong did.
The king and facebook
PR exercise.
The king and facebook
“Tell me how I should change.”
Well, one thing His Majesty could do is to dissolve his “Praetorian Guard”, much as Emperor Constantine did.
Indeed, if I may be so bold, I would suggest that His Majesty read a well-written history of the Roman Republic/Empire and contemplate its contents until he can recognize the “Sejanuses” (Seiani to be pedantic :)) in his own court.
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Please kindly forward this short and simple open letter to CNN and your readers.
Sir,
As one of your loyal viewers since 1980s, I would like to express my appreciation to your coverage of recent tragedy in Thailand.
As a Thai, living in Bangkok, why do I have to watch CNN for stories in Thailand? Because I want other sides of the story. I do not only watch CNN, but also other news channels, blogs, and media on internet, including social ones.
Then, I CAN THINK, DECIDE, and MAKE my analysis.
By offering an alternative source of information, CNN has done its duty.
And by having this kind of choice, Thais still have our “sustainable liberty”.
What would Thailand be if we were only bombarded with one-sided Thai government propaganda, with budget from Thai people?
If the world is so na├пve and blindly blames Thai government, and the “prestigious reputation” of Thailand, so be it.
Please keep on telling stories of Thailand to the world.
Respectfully yours,
Apirux Wanasathop
For your internal information;
Apart from my interview with Haseenah (Asia Sentinel, 12 April 2010), http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2393&Itemid=185 ,
here is my co-authored about Political Backdrop 1997-2008 of Thailand:
Changing Face of Management in Thailand, The
Published by Routledge
Editors: Andrews, Tim Siengthai, Sununta
ISBN: 978 0 415 44332 6
Format: Paperback
Pages: 224
List price(s): 29.99 GBP 49.95 USD
Publication date: 17 May 2009
Short description
Following the Asian financial crisis of 1997-1998, the management of organizations in Thailand has undergone significant change and development. This book examines the development of management during this pivotal period in the country’s history. It examines the political, economic, social and technological changes from 1997-2008.
Table of contents
1. Introduction Tim G. Andrews 2. Business in Thailand: An Overview Greg Watkins & Stephen Frost Macro-management Forces 3. Political Backdrop 1997-2008 Kullada Kesboonchuu & Apirux Wanasathop
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Dear Lee,
Patronizing is the term a government would use to dismiss an argument that sounds in nobodies ears pretty. Complexity should be simplified if the own people do not understand it anymore – there is nothing complex about corruption and censorship, its state power that is used for suppression.
I did not use the Nazis as a comparison but as an example in how far a situation can be distorted and starts to live an own life with full support of the population.
This is only possible because the concept of an enemy is created that suggest that this enemy is unrighteous and preying on the rest of the population (just as the Jews in Nazi Germany who had a big part in building the country but were gassed in the end).
Initiation to reach the goal of exclusion, takes place by a complete projection of the own means onto this group of the population, trying hard to discredit them and manipulating the truth, like in a Hollywood film about CIA conspiracy.
As you yourself did make the link to Nazi Germany – and started again your propaganda machine and even tried hard to discredit my post by labeling it as “hippy talk” and “farang, who knows nothing about Thailand cliché ” and you seized all possibilities to dismiss my point of view as nonsense – tells more about you, as a person then most likely you wanted to reveal about yourself.
People like you make sure and seem to make it to their life purpose to separate instead of unite, to exclude rather then to integrate.
I feel really sorry for you – going through life with a tunnel view must not be very pleasant but I am sure that you silently hope that you have an own personal advantage in the end. Just wonder what that might be?
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Release this australian man.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Australian-Man-Arrested-Thai-Prote-t368941.html
Why aren’t more Thai social scientists doing this?
All the Red supporters should give themselves a good pat on the back for supporting the Issan rural poor as they act like they are the only poor in Thailand. The poor and downtrodden slaves of the N/NE vs The Rich Elite from Bangkok. Forget about the poor fishing villages all the way down the south that get ignored by governments ever since Thaksin used the North/NE as a support base. The anti Monarch sentiment on this forum is sickening coming from “Thai expert foreigners” who see the King as some kind of Satan on the throne. This man has done much more for Thailand than Thaksin will ever do.
The smell of far left know-it-all academics is over balanced in this forum. Just keep on spreading the good word on how bad the King is and how the poor are used by the rich.
Stop romantisising each other!
Chula academics call for “return of justice and academic freedom”
Is there a list of those lecturers who signed this petition?
The rebellion of Thailand’s middle-income peasants
Jim Taylor #24. Part of Thaksin’s Shin Corp sale was tax exempt and some not. The taxable event was the sale of shares by Ample Rich to Thaksin’s children for 1 baht a share. There are and were at the time plenty of precedents in Thailand of similar transactions done at below market price being taxed at the market or imputed value. This commonly happens when in-the-money options are granted to company managements, i.e. the difference between the exercise price of the option and the market price of the stock (or imputed price) is considered income by the Revenue Dept and taxed accordingly. Further supporting this tax treatment is the fact that Ample Rich was incorporated in a jurisdiction with no tax treaty with Thailand and that the transaction was done off the market. I don’t argue that the other portions that were not held by Ample Rich could not legitimately benefitted from the tax waiver on gains from shares traded through the market by individuals or foreign corporations subject to tax treaties.
My other point is that Thaksin could have deflated a lot of the popular opposition that arose against him in 2006, if he had made a show of voluntarily paying some tax on the transaction or donating the equivalent to causes benefitting the rural poor, even though he agreed tax was payable. Since the tax issue, even though it was in fact partially correct and partially bogus, was the most emotive one, he might have avoided being turfed out in the coup and still be prime minister today. In that case, it would also have unquestionably been a great commercial decision for him too. But he took your view and decided to play hardball and lost his gamble.
Chula academics call for “return of justice and academic freedom”
Sorry i cannot read thai. Are you going to give a translation in English ?
Is there a translation in english ?
Thanks