Yoda: If the parliamentary system involves the courts dissolving the ruling party and the army chief cobbling together the new ruling coalition, then Jim Taylor seems to understand it very well. Do you?
MediaWar // This video changes some details in one of the most famous stories which peoples told on the street. In this video this guy looks like he had been shot and his head hit the floor hardly and another stories is he had been hit by hard objects on the head.
#39
When people decide to join a protest, this stuff happens. It’s a bit like joining the army and wondering why you get shot at. This political battering ram stuff is doomed to bloody failure.
The way to defeat the poo-yais, is to be better than them in every department where they are weak. Not really as difficult as it seems, since most of them are extremely self-deluded people with one track minds and a complete aversion to hard work.
Do the names Duangchalerm and Wanchalerm ring any bells with you? Would I confront an armed cop-killing cop face-2-face, when I’m not armed? Never! But in the knowledge that they are essentially both DF stupid, they can definitely be defeated by far more subtle means.
The battering ram approach has been used time and time again since 1932. There’s zilch to show for it. It’s time to take a completely different approach. And the first step towards that is to slam the door in Thaksin’s face. His money is not necessary. it just corrupts a good cause, and so confuses people about the real objectives. It’s time to start saving up for our own salvation, instead of pissing it all up against the barroom backwall.
from the photo it looks like bullet entered and left not through the forehead/back but side-wise. perhaps this is a sniper bullet indeed.
on the video ( http://bit.ly/c0gDxo ) he is seen first in the middle of road (facing where the soldiers are, I guess), with flag, calling for protesters to come back, then walks to the right side, facing not the shops / sidewalk, then he falls. perhaps he was singled out because he was holding a flag ?
Reds shouldn’t have allowed themselves to be lured into a war with the government. However accommodating Abhisit might be, that’s not the war ANY government can afford to lose, especially in the heart of the capital.
Nattawut has been calling for scaling back, other reds are urging on. Today they went and attacked Thaicom again while the government stopped fighting and vast majority of the public want negotiations.
I heard some analyst on Mcot radio today and he said red leaders are prepared to sacrifice up to a thousand red shirts. Twenty lives lost yesterday didn’t deter them in the slightest, so that analyst might be right.
“I’m sorry but if you think the Thai masses are logging onto the New Mandala blog searching for the next bit of analysis you’re sadly mistaken.
I think if you follow the logic of your own statement you’ll realise how foolish it actually is….”
Tangential comment there. There really isn’t any analysis here anyway. it’s like a slightly up-market Visa.com. the only thais here are of the more political kind, and they are clearly not one big happy consensus. In any case, I can’t follow your convoluted logic.
Most others are getting on with their lives, knowing there is no free lunch.
Some reds have probably used guns seized from the soldiers but the consensus among the military now is that “third hands” are responsible for most of the violence.
Panitan said that the ammunition, grenades and tear gas thrown at the soldiers weren’t government issue. There’s even a video of one red with AK-47.
There is a couple of videos showing unknown shooters firing at the soldiers, one from the second floor of a building at Kok Wua.
Relative of a killed colonel said soldiers had taken in a lot of fire from higher ground, too.
Then the infamous Seh Daeng came out today and declared that “ronins” were helping out the reds in that fight.
Bangkok Pundit tweeted that some reds were shot in the head, implying that they were victims of sniper fire.
Why would anyone be surprised if soldiers panicked and started shooting back indiscriminately? Grenades, tear gas, killed commanders – that’s a war, not a non-violent civil movement.
That Thai FAQ dude made a lot of sense when he said that the red’s level of sophistication and professionalism in urban warfare is way beyond Isanese farmers with grievances over democracy.
[…] is blaming the UDD for the unrest. There are numerous videos (here, here) and eye-witness reports (here, here) indicating the use of live rounds and showing soldiers firing horizontally into the crowds. […]
[…] riot police doing virtually nothing to restrain them. In this latest round of protests, troops have openly fraternised with red-shirts as confrontations have been defused. Red-shirts have also been able to persuade […]
Regarding the you-know-who’s pics: I went for a stroll up the boulevard this afternoon to take a look. All ‘frames’ are surrounded by neat scaffolding, so it’s clear that they were taken down by some official type people.
Actually there *is* one remaining poster of him at the end of Saphan Phan Fa furthest from stage and opposite the Phra Thep poster mentioned above. These two posters are just that: large posters. Presumably not quite the same as the more hieratic-looking medallion-framed items which have been taken down.
Call me a cynic, but I can easily imagine old Prem saying something along the lines of “I don’t want him to see the ‘sacrifices’ you boys are going to have to make for him”.
Interestingly, looks like the Red Shirts made good use of those heraldic BMA metal escutcheon-like thingies – either as barricade components or projectiles (not sure).. but plenty lying about where they don’t belong.
“it’s hard to imagine reds would prevail militarily when the army reassesses their rules of engagement and comes on fully prepared” >
That could be great fun, indeed–some sort of large-scale slaughter on both sides. Anyway, StanG probably would stay in the safety of his home. Let the others die. He will merly comment on it afterwards.
The troops were well overarmed, in close civil combat situations its almost impossible to swing a baton and keep your M16 safe,the ideal situation would have been the front lines with baton only and more experienced NCO regulars behind with rubber bullets and gas launchers behind them.
Anyway the fact remains that the real rabble turned out to be the troops themselves,losing your weapons being captured leaving your colleagues and killing civilians is a disgracefull act.Spare a thought for all the families who have lost there children and fathers,mothers and some of the red bravehearts their grandfathers.
Most of the troops looked like young conscripts so thats sad as well.
Aphisit must go but what then?Its not going to be smooth sailing into democratic bliss thats for sure.
“On a completely different note: what are the royal family up to? I saw in the news that ** is somewhere in the highlands of China.”
Nice comment! Saw that too. Probably a sensible move in light of the grudges a certain other person has against her. Preparing her bolthole, so to speak.
For that matter. What is HE doing? Nothing of course! He should definitely abdicate before he gets a job he won’t enjoy.
You seem to possess a highly sophisticated political mind. I have no way of telling whether it is with or without the intake of some alcoholic beverages…
Stone cold sober. Sophisticated it is not. Political it is not. No apologies. I leave that kind of useless persiflage to the sold-out former idealists (no longer one real socialist amongst them) and bent cop business zealots who got us into this stupid mess.
just to let you know: somehow moderators of this blog do not let my responses to your personal attacks to appears here, not because I haven’t answered you. (although somehow they have allowed your comments, implying bluntly something, like branding me a “conspiracy theorist”)
I tell you frankly – to me is very suspicious your own agenda in all your relentless attacking many people all over Thai blogosphere. I very much suspect that you might be either merely a troll, or a bot (one of those commonly “hired” guys to flame and rant on forums) or just another comfy right-wing expat who tries to pretend being assimilated into that “Thainess” mystique. 🙂
so, anyway, whatever – I have already answered to your silly personal attacks on other thread here (it’s not my fault that Mods didn’t let it appear) and I do not want to waste my time even to READ your comments. thus, please be informed that from now on I’ll simply IGNORE all your comments / attacks – you can continue though to rant on.
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as saying goes :
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Yoda: If the parliamentary system involves the courts dissolving the ruling party and the army chief cobbling together the new ruling coalition, then Jim Taylor seems to understand it very well. Do you?
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I mean this
MediaWar // Apr 11, 2010 at 11:44 pm
youtube video episode shows how protester was shot :
http://bit.ly/c0gDxo
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MediaWar // This video changes some details in one of the most famous stories which peoples told on the street. In this video this guy looks like he had been shot and his head hit the floor hardly and another stories is he had been hit by hard objects on the head.
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#39
When people decide to join a protest, this stuff happens. It’s a bit like joining the army and wondering why you get shot at. This political battering ram stuff is doomed to bloody failure.
The way to defeat the poo-yais, is to be better than them in every department where they are weak. Not really as difficult as it seems, since most of them are extremely self-deluded people with one track minds and a complete aversion to hard work.
Do the names Duangchalerm and Wanchalerm ring any bells with you? Would I confront an armed cop-killing cop face-2-face, when I’m not armed? Never! But in the knowledge that they are essentially both DF stupid, they can definitely be defeated by far more subtle means.
The battering ram approach has been used time and time again since 1932. There’s zilch to show for it. It’s time to take a completely different approach. And the first step towards that is to slam the door in Thaksin’s face. His money is not necessary. it just corrupts a good cause, and so confuses people about the real objectives. It’s time to start saving up for our own salvation, instead of pissing it all up against the barroom backwall.
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TOO GRAPHIC ! http://bit.ly/ajeR1E
from the photo it looks like bullet entered and left not through the forehead/back but side-wise. perhaps this is a sniper bullet indeed.
on the video ( http://bit.ly/c0gDxo ) he is seen first in the middle of road (facing where the soldiers are, I guess), with flag, calling for protesters to come back, then walks to the right side, facing not the shops / sidewalk, then he falls. perhaps he was singled out because he was holding a flag ?
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Srithanonchai #40
Reds shouldn’t have allowed themselves to be lured into a war with the government. However accommodating Abhisit might be, that’s not the war ANY government can afford to lose, especially in the heart of the capital.
Nattawut has been calling for scaling back, other reds are urging on. Today they went and attacked Thaicom again while the government stopped fighting and vast majority of the public want negotiations.
I heard some analyst on Mcot radio today and he said red leaders are prepared to sacrifice up to a thousand red shirts. Twenty lives lost yesterday didn’t deter them in the slightest, so that analyst might be right.
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These are the knives that the government brought to this gun fight (warning, extremely graphic):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpARrZG7_qw
Thailand’s Neda Soltan.
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“I’m sorry but if you think the Thai masses are logging onto the New Mandala blog searching for the next bit of analysis you’re sadly mistaken.
I think if you follow the logic of your own statement you’ll realise how foolish it actually is….”
Tangential comment there. There really isn’t any analysis here anyway. it’s like a slightly up-market Visa.com. the only thais here are of the more political kind, and they are clearly not one big happy consensus. In any case, I can’t follow your convoluted logic.
Most others are getting on with their lives, knowing there is no free lunch.
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Some reds have probably used guns seized from the soldiers but the consensus among the military now is that “third hands” are responsible for most of the violence.
Panitan said that the ammunition, grenades and tear gas thrown at the soldiers weren’t government issue. There’s even a video of one red with AK-47.
There is a couple of videos showing unknown shooters firing at the soldiers, one from the second floor of a building at Kok Wua.
Relative of a killed colonel said soldiers had taken in a lot of fire from higher ground, too.
Then the infamous Seh Daeng came out today and declared that “ronins” were helping out the reds in that fight.
Bangkok Pundit tweeted that some reds were shot in the head, implying that they were victims of sniper fire.
Why would anyone be surprised if soldiers panicked and started shooting back indiscriminately? Grenades, tear gas, killed commanders – that’s a war, not a non-violent civil movement.
That Thai FAQ dude made a lot of sense when he said that the red’s level of sophistication and professionalism in urban warfare is way beyond Isanese farmers with grievances over democracy.
The scene at Phan Fa
[…] is blaming the UDD for the unrest. There are numerous videos (here, here) and eye-witness reports (here, here) indicating the use of live rounds and showing soldiers firing horizontally into the crowds. […]
A brief fight, and many watermelons
[…] riot police doing virtually nothing to restrain them. In this latest round of protests, troops have openly fraternised with red-shirts as confrontations have been defused. Red-shirts have also been able to persuade […]
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Thai Army Opens Fire on Red Protesters
with video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztF6hUryt88
I bet it’ll never be allowed to be known officially
(although people already talk about Prayuth’s snipers on the roofs)
The scene at Phan Fa
Regarding the you-know-who’s pics: I went for a stroll up the boulevard this afternoon to take a look. All ‘frames’ are surrounded by neat scaffolding, so it’s clear that they were taken down by some official type people.
Actually there *is* one remaining poster of him at the end of Saphan Phan Fa furthest from stage and opposite the Phra Thep poster mentioned above. These two posters are just that: large posters. Presumably not quite the same as the more hieratic-looking medallion-framed items which have been taken down.
Call me a cynic, but I can easily imagine old Prem saying something along the lines of “I don’t want him to see the ‘sacrifices’ you boys are going to have to make for him”.
Interestingly, looks like the Red Shirts made good use of those heraldic BMA metal escutcheon-like thingies – either as barricade components or projectiles (not sure).. but plenty lying about where they don’t belong.
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StanG #28
“it’s hard to imagine reds would prevail militarily when the army reassesses their rules of engagement and comes on fully prepared” >
That could be great fun, indeed–some sort of large-scale slaughter on both sides. Anyway, StanG probably would stay in the safety of his home. Let the others die. He will merly comment on it afterwards.
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The troops were well overarmed, in close civil combat situations its almost impossible to swing a baton and keep your M16 safe,the ideal situation would have been the front lines with baton only and more experienced NCO regulars behind with rubber bullets and gas launchers behind them.
Anyway the fact remains that the real rabble turned out to be the troops themselves,losing your weapons being captured leaving your colleagues and killing civilians is a disgracefull act.Spare a thought for all the families who have lost there children and fathers,mothers and some of the red bravehearts their grandfathers.
Most of the troops looked like young conscripts so thats sad as well.
Aphisit must go but what then?Its not going to be smooth sailing into democratic bliss thats for sure.
Crackdown in Bangkok – after 8 PM
#98
“On a completely different note: what are the royal family up to? I saw in the news that ** is somewhere in the highlands of China.”
Nice comment! Saw that too. Probably a sensible move in light of the grudges a certain other person has against her. Preparing her bolthole, so to speak.
For that matter. What is HE doing? Nothing of course! He should definitely abdicate before he gets a job he won’t enjoy.
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NM Skeptik
I’m sorry but if you think the Thai masses are logging onto the New Mandala blog searching for the next bit of analysis you’re sadly mistaken.
I think if you follow the logic of your own statement you’ll realise how foolish it actually is….
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youtube video episode shows how protester was shot :
http://bit.ly/c0gDxo
Crackdown in Bangkok – after 8 PM
Srithanonchai // Apr 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm
# 41
W2A
You seem to possess a highly sophisticated political mind. I have no way of telling whether it is with or without the intake of some alcoholic beverages…
Stone cold sober. Sophisticated it is not. Political it is not. No apologies. I leave that kind of useless persiflage to the sold-out former idealists (no longer one real socialist amongst them) and bent cop business zealots who got us into this stupid mess.
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@StanG
just to let you know: somehow moderators of this blog do not let my responses to your personal attacks to appears here, not because I haven’t answered you. (although somehow they have allowed your comments, implying bluntly something, like branding me a “conspiracy theorist”)
I tell you frankly – to me is very suspicious your own agenda in all your relentless attacking many people all over Thai blogosphere. I very much suspect that you might be either merely a troll, or a bot (one of those commonly “hired” guys to flame and rant on forums) or just another comfy right-wing expat who tries to pretend being assimilated into that “Thainess” mystique. 🙂
so, anyway, whatever – I have already answered to your silly personal attacks on other thread here (it’s not my fault that Mods didn’t let it appear) and I do not want to waste my time even to READ your comments. thus, please be informed that from now on I’ll simply IGNORE all your comments / attacks – you can continue though to rant on.
(Note to Mods : you may delete the following part ! )
as saying goes :
“do not touch the shite and it’ll smell less”
Cheers 😀