There’s no time travel required here. The charges are in “Thai” time… (Current – 30 yrs). The event is in current time. So in effect, she has upset the time sequence and caused a disturbance in the “Thai” space-time continuum. A capital crime if you ask me.
Ralph: it’s not the first time, she has made the health statements in the past for both of her parents. It seems in these cases she is the designated family spokesperson.
So she is being charged for an act, the effect of which occurred before she actually committed the act; time travel? I flunked physics. Is this related to the Large Hadron Collider and the Higgs boson? Could someone enlighten me?
I cannot provide any enlightenment, just a visual confirmation of what you wrote.
This is a picture of her post (from Google cache) that clearly shows she posted her translation of Bloomberg report at 18.09 on October 14, i.e.hours after the Market closed
AS for Turnell and Vicary:
Let me pose you these questions
1)Is it ethical for an economist to be advocating policies that justify any actions “against” or “for” a sector of economy beyond analysis that will provide (+) result or avoid (-) future?
Let alone a country’s?
2) Is it an economist job to describe a government as worst than parasitic without having even visit that country.
3) Is there any economic principles and Historical facts that support economic sanctions that can change the behavior of any government.
If Turnell and Vicary answer these question honestly to themselves they might just realize how low they have sunk from their Ivory Tower view of the real world.
It’s hilarious watching Thai medias dance around this case, if only people lives are not actually on the line.
The act are not specify, the content are not disclose, the charges are unclear, and no one sure which law they break.
Hopefully, the court would grant an open hearing?
The case against them is open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge them with.
– Catch 22
This is a demonstration of the putsch’s intent to prosecute anyone it regards as a threat to itself, or just anyone it doesn’t like, for anything.
The SRT finally publicly falls apart after years of mismanagement and neglect and the putsch and the bureaucrats take the opportunity, not to fix the raliroad, but to bust the railroad union and to arrest the railroad workers.
The stock market takes a fall, demonstrating the speed with which folks head for the doors when they contemplate the end of this era, and the putsch takes the opportunity, not to plan for the inevitable, but to sue and intimidate its Prachatai and One Sky critics, ├а la the Singapore Lees.
This is fin de siècle denial. And ordinary Thai people pay the price for the spooks and whims of the ruling class, as always.
we would hereby like to let you know just how proud we are of you!
The swiftness and dedication with which you are turning a once open society into a repressive police state where neighbours, colleagues, friends and family are encouraged to denounce each other in the name of “national security” is truly impressive.
The heroic efforts of your illegitimate government are an inspiration to us all!
Yours sincerely,
Mao, Stalin, Ceaucescu, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein & friends
This is part of the increasing use of suppression in the Thailand by a PM and cohorts who are doing whatever it takes to remain in power and eliminate any dissent.
The poor victims of this story will have very little hope of defence, as the Lese majeste law may well be used by the Prosecution.
With the information I’ve read, I am a bit confused as to how Ms. Tiranant could be charged. (Not much information released on the case against Mr. Kata yet so I’ll leave that for later.)
The Rumors were circulated on Wednesday night, October 13th – that’s when I first heard them at least. The SET then started its fall on Thursday morning, the 14th. The Bloomberg Article on the SET decline and the cause thereof was released on Thursday afternoon (small rally before close of market). Ms. Tiranant’s translation of The Article was made and posted on the Internet at some point thereafter. On Friday the 15th the SET continues its drop, with another rally in the late afternoon. Is my timeline correct?
So she is being charged for an act, the effect of which occurred before she actually committed the act; time travel? I flunked physics. Is this related to the Large Hadron Collider and the Higgs boson? Could someone enlighten me?
“Thiranan allegedly posted her “translation” on the Prachathai news website, under the user name “BBB”. The other suspect, Katha, allegedly posted his contentious information on the “Under the same sky” website.
Both websites are known for their strong political stance and sympathy for former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.”
These charges sound incredibly weak, to the point of being what we would term in Anglo-American law as either false arrest or malicious prosecution. I am not a lawyer, but I have lived through the process of a number of lawsuits including having been a successful co-plaintiff in a defamation lawsuit, and I have observed that the typical response of the rich and powerful in Thailand when they are confronted with legal action is to countersue. To me it sounds like they have ample grounds for a “defamation per se” lawsuit. “Per se” because they are in the business of offering financial advice, and the charges filed against them would automatically have a severe impact upon what others would perceive as being their business character. Sounds to me like a good defense would be a strong offense.
Bamar
Marcos, Suharto, S Korea, Tai WAn never enjoy the benefit of sanctions. You can throw in China too.
Contrary to sanctions, “All” benefited form massive western aids despite of similar atrocities commited by respective dictators.
The difference?
After all the # of years of their respective tyranny, in the end they all become “extinct”when the respective population become better off economically and education wise “remove them”.
At present Myanmar is headed towards N. KOrea’s fate if not for Buddhism.
As for China, the government can be as repressive as any most repressive one when it choose to be but do not most instances.
WHy? “Economy STupid”.
Why fight if one can buy off with the largest bank account presently in the world.
I just came across this (though 2 year old) blog entry. As a recent resident in Thailand, I find it not surprising at all that the indicators on community strength in Isaan are strong. Isaan people can teach us much on this subject.
And has a great deal of respect for the Thailand National HDR discussed in your blog entry (and the comments thereto). It’s worth noting from the data in the HDR that ~2/3 of Thais outside BKK have 6 years of education or less, where the reverse is the case in and around BKK. But the sense of community is so strong in Isaan that it’s difficult for westerners (more subjected to yesterdays nominal “economic” indicators [which rarely note GINI coefficients] or tirades on terrorism, but can’t seem to get a wrap on indicators of societal strengths or weaknesses [like incarceration rates – and progress in getting to the roots of such problems]).
Chris: in previous posts you appeared to be very concerned that Thailand might split. Now, in this comment, you appear to propose it as a solution for saving the monarchy. Please clarify.
just the thing i was lookin for mate, in this day and age, a website is a must. ill spend some more time on it when i finish reading SW, i will say hello to mondo, i called him when i was reading the “selction” chapter and he told me a few other stories. we’re both riggers, mondo is a team leader and he’s a squillianare!! he still lives on raw cabbage!! also, if ya plannin on T-shirts, try ‘Gildan’, all the bands use this type of T-shirt for their merch, excellent design and great price when ya buy stacks. i will have plenty to blog,
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A story with big implications
To Somsak, Yukes,
There’s no time travel required here. The charges are in “Thai” time… (Current – 30 yrs). The event is in current time. So in effect, she has upset the time sequence and caused a disturbance in the “Thai” space-time continuum. A capital crime if you ask me.
Crimes against the state: a long lost manuscript
Is there any possibility to find the original German text?
More on King Bhumibol’s health
Ralph: it’s not the first time, she has made the health statements in the past for both of her parents. It seems in these cases she is the designated family spokesperson.
A story with big implications
And there was me thinking I was going to read about the Rakesh Saxena case 😉
Did Thaksin call for revolution?
How did Tak Sin become King??
Could someone plaese answer this…really want to know!
A story with big implications
So she is being charged for an act, the effect of which occurred before she actually committed the act; time travel? I flunked physics. Is this related to the Large Hadron Collider and the Higgs boson? Could someone enlighten me?
I cannot provide any enlightenment, just a visual confirmation of what you wrote.
This is a picture of her post (from Google cache) that clearly shows she posted her translation of Bloomberg report at 18.09 on October 14, i.e.hours after the Market closed
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/sinthorn/topic/I8501366/I8501366.html
or here
http://www.prachatai.com/journal/2009/11/26437
Vicary and Turnell on Burma sanctions
AS for Turnell and Vicary:
Let me pose you these questions
1)Is it ethical for an economist to be advocating policies that justify any actions “against” or “for” a sector of economy beyond analysis that will provide (+) result or avoid (-) future?
Let alone a country’s?
2) Is it an economist job to describe a government as worst than parasitic without having even visit that country.
3) Is there any economic principles and Historical facts that support economic sanctions that can change the behavior of any government.
If Turnell and Vicary answer these question honestly to themselves they might just realize how low they have sunk from their Ivory Tower view of the real world.
A story with big implications
It’s hilarious watching Thai medias dance around this case, if only people lives are not actually on the line.
The act are not specify, the content are not disclose, the charges are unclear, and no one sure which law they break.
Hopefully, the court would grant an open hearing?
The case against them is open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge them with.
– Catch 22
A story with big implications
This is a demonstration of the putsch’s intent to prosecute anyone it regards as a threat to itself, or just anyone it doesn’t like, for anything.
The SRT finally publicly falls apart after years of mismanagement and neglect and the putsch and the bureaucrats take the opportunity, not to fix the raliroad, but to bust the railroad union and to arrest the railroad workers.
The stock market takes a fall, demonstrating the speed with which folks head for the doors when they contemplate the end of this era, and the putsch takes the opportunity, not to plan for the inevitable, but to sue and intimidate its Prachatai and One Sky critics, ├а la the Singapore Lees.
This is fin de siècle denial. And ordinary Thai people pay the price for the spooks and whims of the ruling class, as always.
A story with big implications
Dear Abhisit,
we would hereby like to let you know just how proud we are of you!
The swiftness and dedication with which you are turning a once open society into a repressive police state where neighbours, colleagues, friends and family are encouraged to denounce each other in the name of “national security” is truly impressive.
The heroic efforts of your illegitimate government are an inspiration to us all!
Yours sincerely,
Mao, Stalin, Ceaucescu, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein & friends
A story with big implications
This is part of the increasing use of suppression in the Thailand by a PM and cohorts who are doing whatever it takes to remain in power and eliminate any dissent.
The poor victims of this story will have very little hope of defence, as the Lese majeste law may well be used by the Prosecution.
A story with big implications
With the information I’ve read, I am a bit confused as to how Ms. Tiranant could be charged. (Not much information released on the case against Mr. Kata yet so I’ll leave that for later.)
The Rumors were circulated on Wednesday night, October 13th – that’s when I first heard them at least. The SET then started its fall on Thursday morning, the 14th. The Bloomberg Article on the SET decline and the cause thereof was released on Thursday afternoon (small rally before close of market). Ms. Tiranant’s translation of The Article was made and posted on the Internet at some point thereafter. On Friday the 15th the SET continues its drop, with another rally in the late afternoon. Is my timeline correct?
So she is being charged for an act, the effect of which occurred before she actually committed the act; time travel? I flunked physics. Is this related to the Large Hadron Collider and the Higgs boson? Could someone enlighten me?
Thank you.
Yukes
A story with big implications
And looks how The Nation twists the facts:
“Thiranan allegedly posted her “translation” on the Prachathai news website, under the user name “BBB”. The other suspect, Katha, allegedly posted his contentious information on the “Under the same sky” website.
Both websites are known for their strong political stance and sympathy for former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.”
A story with big implications
These charges sound incredibly weak, to the point of being what we would term in Anglo-American law as either false arrest or malicious prosecution. I am not a lawyer, but I have lived through the process of a number of lawsuits including having been a successful co-plaintiff in a defamation lawsuit, and I have observed that the typical response of the rich and powerful in Thailand when they are confronted with legal action is to countersue. To me it sounds like they have ample grounds for a “defamation per se” lawsuit. “Per se” because they are in the business of offering financial advice, and the charges filed against them would automatically have a severe impact upon what others would perceive as being their business character. Sounds to me like a good defense would be a strong offense.
A story with big implications
Thailand under Abhisit is turning into a police state!
Vicary and Turnell on Burma sanctions
Bamar
Marcos, Suharto, S Korea, Tai WAn never enjoy the benefit of sanctions. You can throw in China too.
Contrary to sanctions, “All” benefited form massive western aids despite of similar atrocities commited by respective dictators.
The difference?
After all the # of years of their respective tyranny, in the end they all become “extinct”when the respective population become better off economically and education wise “remove them”.
At present Myanmar is headed towards N. KOrea’s fate if not for Buddhism.
As for China, the government can be as repressive as any most repressive one when it choose to be but do not most instances.
WHy? “Economy STupid”.
Why fight if one can buy off with the largest bank account presently in the world.
Unequal access
I just came across this (though 2 year old) blog entry. As a recent resident in Thailand, I find it not surprising at all that the indicators on community strength in Isaan are strong. Isaan people can teach us much on this subject.
The Website noted above is just starting up, so content should be richer in a bit. However, it’s based on the following UN ESCAP working papers:
http://www.unescap.org/publications/detail.asp?id=1345
http://www.unescap.org/publications/detail.asp?id=1308
And has a great deal of respect for the Thailand National HDR discussed in your blog entry (and the comments thereto). It’s worth noting from the data in the HDR that ~2/3 of Thais outside BKK have 6 years of education or less, where the reverse is the case in and around BKK. But the sense of community is so strong in Isaan that it’s difficult for westerners (more subjected to yesterdays nominal “economic” indicators [which rarely note GINI coefficients] or tirades on terrorism, but can’t seem to get a wrap on indicators of societal strengths or weaknesses [like incarceration rates – and progress in getting to the roots of such problems]).
The Independent on Thailand’s taboo
Chris: in previous posts you appeared to be very concerned that Thailand might split. Now, in this comment, you appear to propose it as a solution for saving the monarchy. Please clarify.
Media and images in Thailand
[…] http://www.newmandala.org/2009/10/29/media-and-images-in-thailand/ […]
Volunteering to fight in Burma
Dave,
just the thing i was lookin for mate, in this day and age, a website is a must. ill spend some more time on it when i finish reading SW, i will say hello to mondo, i called him when i was reading the “selction” chapter and he told me a few other stories. we’re both riggers, mondo is a team leader and he’s a squillianare!! he still lives on raw cabbage!! also, if ya plannin on T-shirts, try ‘Gildan’, all the bands use this type of T-shirt for their merch, excellent design and great price when ya buy stacks. i will have plenty to blog,
cheers mate
Jarel, (supermans dad) i know.