Lim Foo Aye is concerned that the Financial Conference, was cancelled, possibly disadvantaging “billions”. If the leaders were serious they could hold a Tele Video Conference in the comfort of their own homes/ offices.
What Lim seems to be missing is that a great nmber of the Thai people, have been disenfranchised, not once, but twice by the Royalty/ Military Junta. They have every right to be angry.
.. I mean, how much does Thaksin symbolize the ridiculousness of tearing up a constitution versus being a political sugar daddy – with these bribery claims, the 500 baht pay off, the anti-establishment red revolutionary aesthetic? To lump all red support in one bracket of being disgruntled with what happened in 2006 strikes me as a little myopic.
Kavi Chongkittavorn has mastered giving non-answers like his sponsors in the upper echelons. Nice parting shot about the Nation too. When he said goodbye, it sounded like he was rearing up for a you-don’t-understand-Thailand-I’m-no-victim-of-a-farang’s-logic-scorpion’s-tail-looming response.
Oh, I know him really well. We’re great friends. Brothers from different mothers.
When you met him those few times, did he say ‘I will create a wonderful buying opportunity for Thailand by applying Templeton’s golden business rule! AHA!’ with the manic laughter of a super villain?
The most vital one has been removed. There is yet another I am trying to locate which was not on YouTube.
Here are two YouTube links of interest. There is another from the Al Jazeera Web site where this reporter saw the rifles being lowered on the crowd. The Muslims are not too scared of a Thai King.
I will try to find the other video, and I will post it.
Ajarn Somsak: Firstly, thanks for the ‘intelligent’ compliment, but I might need futher explanations regarding untenability.
As for the sections quoted, I think the section that should have been highlighted were the words ‘ me wasting my energy’
Anyone who has been watching New Mandala for the last 2 1/2 years can see how my views have evolved over that time, but there is one constant: I’m still of the opinion that its better to have one semi-define figure, than two, particularly given the age of the existing one.
Hopefully over time, with the help of people like you, we will able to know the true picture.
Jud #73. It is curious that it took so long for Thaksin’s ordinary passport to be revoked after his conviction. Pin Chakkapak’s passport was revoked quite quickly after he jumped bail to England, even though he had not been tried, let alone convicted.
It will be interesting to know what nationalities Thaksin will be travelling under and how much he paid for them. His stories about being offered “honorary” citizenship by several countries in recognition for his outstanding services to them are laughable.
“Many may have missed some online footage from yesterday morning showing Thai soldiers shooting the protesters. That footage also showed a body being thrown in a military vehicle, and someone cleaning up blood.”
Can you share the URL where this footage is located with us?
Met him a few times before he became a politician when he used to boost about what a good job he did at bribing government officials and politicians. How well do you know him?
You have to laugh when you see Straits Times journalists getting critical about the governments and political systems of neighbouring countries. It the only chance they get to write about politics or criticise anyone. Why doesn’t he try his hand at forecasting the demise of the Lee dynasty or look for a job with a publication that allows freedom of expression?
Just a thought, and I’m posting this in the wrong place I know:
Why not introduce into the website online polls? A question could be posed and those logged in could vote. Perhaps questions could be submitted to the site operators just to keep a handle on things.
On the emotive subject of deaths, can it really be true that only two people died, and those at the hands of the Reds?
A BBC reporter stated that troops fired into the crowds. If so, and assuming live rounds, then there would quite a few in hospital with gunshot wounds and presumably a few dead. There would also be blood on the streets -no sign of this in any newsclips.
Is it the case, then, that there are people hospitalised and that news censorship is preventing the nature of their injuries being disclosed? A bullet wound is pretty easy to identify and yet no report has mentioned gunshot wounds amongst those being treated.
I’m left wondering if this was a remarkably successful put down of a potentially more serious disturbance, or whether things were not quite as effectively dealt with as the media would have us believe.
While the world is trying to get the people out of financial crisis, the Red Shirts’ actions did the exact opposite. They contribute to the delay resolving the financial crisis not just for 63 millions Thai people but billions of people in 16 countries whose leaders supposed to have a meeting in Pattya last week.
The Red Shirts protesters demanded to dissolve their parliament and hold new election. Complyiing to such demand could to waste billions of bath for the election to replace an already democratic government with another democratic government, while paralyze the government from properly dealing with the financial crisis for another six months. The turmoil they created have undo the progress made in the last four months by the PM Aphisit’s government to help the people, to restore confidence at International level, to boost tourism, , etc. The real economic impact of their actions are unmeasurable.
Millions of Thai people (including me) are happy that PM Aphisit restored peace and order to Thailand. PM Aphisit and his government needs the support of the Thai people and International community so they can devote their effort and resources to the REAL ISSUE, which is financial recovery.
Ben: your post has been seen before. One question: can you explain what you mean whe you say “Every Thai is indebted for his or her existence in this very land.”?
I have already said that my love and respect for the monarchy has condition. If it does not stay where it belongs, well….. you know what I mean.
I still helplessly hope that the King really cares for Thais, and will eventually does the right thing. If not, well…. I am sure I will live longer than him to see how things fold out. Whatever the outcome maybe, I will be just fine: heartbroken and occasional headache, but physically and financially well. What I am really concerned about the most is the well being of the poor and the disadvantage.
I have no time for the Amard system nor the Junta government. Hopefully, I will be able to fight with them intellectually, if that happened, I sure would be the winner :-))
A Thai,
“I’m not asking for the abolishing of the monarchy; I’m asking for my right to vote for a PM, and a government that will work for me”. I understand your point; but do Junta and the monarchy hear or understand or care what you and others want?
You have stated well the fact that Thailand belongs to the Thai people. And, you are also correct that much of Thailand was conquered by Thais. My wife’s great grandfather was once governor of Northern and Eastern Thailand, and Laos back in the days of Siam. This man “earned” his right to rule for obvious reasons.
And yet, my wife is not in the royalist camp. She is for the Thai people, and for the land of Thailand.
I note with disdain that the yellow camp infers that the red camp is not “Pro-King”. This is false. The red camp respects the King as much, or more, than the yellows. It is simply that the red camp chooses not to post banners of the king in order to appear as though they speak for him (who, by the way, is noticeably silent thgrough all of this, and has not stepped forward to condemn the protesters.)
In the USA, being called yellow means that one has no courage, and runs away all of the time, and never chooses a position from which to stand: a coward. This m,akes it a little more difficult for me to be objective at times, but I believe I am still looking at things from both sides.
nganadeelek: The reason I always come back to Thaksin is that vast numbers are worshipping his photo, I think that is muisguided and therefore try to get some reality into their views of him.
(also the the other person does not contest elections, cannot be voted for, or against, so there is no point [?] me me wasting my energy to get anyone to reconsider how they view that person[?])
I am genuinely surprised to see that an intelligent person like you can not see the untenability of such argument.
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Kavi and Walker on Australian radio
Lim Foo Aye is concerned that the Financial Conference, was cancelled, possibly disadvantaging “billions”. If the leaders were serious they could hold a Tele Video Conference in the comfort of their own homes/ offices.
What Lim seems to be missing is that a great nmber of the Thai people, have been disenfranchised, not once, but twice by the Royalty/ Military Junta. They have every right to be angry.
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
Dear Portman, and Other interested in this issue,
This news link provides wording that the soldiers shot over red shirt heads, then lowered their rifles on the people.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090413/twl-troops-open-fire-amid-bangkok-protes-3fd0ae9.html
This link shows soldiers firing their weapons at protesters, not in the air:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0W5EHyg-Agk/SeKwZa4G9uI/AAAAAAAAAgI/Xn3xkY-uDgE/s1600-h/
This link has great eye witness testimony:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/topstory/30100557/Minus-red-shirts-hard
The best spot is here at http://thaienews.blogspot.com
There are lots of pictures.
Hope this helps
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
I finally got around to reading Andrew & Nich’s article – basically a reasonable summary, however it has their usual emphasis (dare I say spin?).
I would be really interested to hear more from Ace Yensabye, who left an interesting comment trying to put some context to the original yellow shirts.
Kavi and Walker on Australian radio
.. I mean, how much does Thaksin symbolize the ridiculousness of tearing up a constitution versus being a political sugar daddy – with these bribery claims, the 500 baht pay off, the anti-establishment red revolutionary aesthetic? To lump all red support in one bracket of being disgruntled with what happened in 2006 strikes me as a little myopic.
Kavi Chongkittavorn has mastered giving non-answers like his sponsors in the upper echelons. Nice parting shot about the Nation too. When he said goodbye, it sounded like he was rearing up for a you-don’t-understand-Thailand-I’m-no-victim-of-a-farang’s-logic-scorpion’s-tail-looming response.
Crackdown on the reds?
sorry about the typo’s above, but I’m sure you get the picture.
“…the perfect time for your business to grow in Thailand”
Oh, I know him really well. We’re great friends. Brothers from different mothers.
When you met him those few times, did he say ‘I will create a wonderful buying opportunity for Thailand by applying Templeton’s golden business rule! AHA!’ with the manic laughter of a super villain?
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
Dear Portman,
The most vital one has been removed. There is yet another I am trying to locate which was not on YouTube.
Here are two YouTube links of interest. There is another from the Al Jazeera Web site where this reporter saw the rifles being lowered on the crowd. The Muslims are not too scared of a Thai King.
I will try to find the other video, and I will post it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shkCbSJAwkA
Loading real bullets and firing into civilians:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0GZRwRvFfg
Al Jazeera article, corrspondent saw soldiers shooting civilians
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/04/200941383652780251.html
Crackdown on the reds?
Ajarn Somsak: Firstly, thanks for the ‘intelligent’ compliment, but I might need futher explanations regarding untenability.
As for the sections quoted, I think the section that should have been highlighted were the words ‘ me wasting my energy’
Anyone who has been watching New Mandala for the last 2 1/2 years can see how my views have evolved over that time, but there is one constant: I’m still of the opinion that its better to have one semi-define figure, than two, particularly given the age of the existing one.
Hopefully over time, with the help of people like you, we will able to know the true picture.
Crackdown on the reds?
Jud #73. It is curious that it took so long for Thaksin’s ordinary passport to be revoked after his conviction. Pin Chakkapak’s passport was revoked quite quickly after he jumped bail to England, even though he had not been tried, let alone convicted.
It will be interesting to know what nationalities Thaksin will be travelling under and how much he paid for them. His stories about being offered “honorary” citizenship by several countries in recognition for his outstanding services to them are laughable.
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
Garry #13
“Many may have missed some online footage from yesterday morning showing Thai soldiers shooting the protesters. That footage also showed a body being thrown in a military vehicle, and someone cleaning up blood.”
Can you share the URL where this footage is located with us?
“…the perfect time for your business to grow in Thailand”
Colum Graham #4
“Do you know Thaksin Shinawatra?”
Met him a few times before he became a politician when he used to boost about what a good job he did at bribing government officials and politicians. How well do you know him?
Montesano on Thailand’s crisis
You have to laugh when you see Straits Times journalists getting critical about the governments and political systems of neighbouring countries. It the only chance they get to write about politics or criticise anyone. Why doesn’t he try his hand at forecasting the demise of the Lee dynasty or look for a job with a publication that allows freedom of expression?
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
Just a thought, and I’m posting this in the wrong place I know:
Why not introduce into the website online polls? A question could be posed and those logged in could vote. Perhaps questions could be submitted to the site operators just to keep a handle on things.
Kavi and Walker on Australian radio
On the emotive subject of deaths, can it really be true that only two people died, and those at the hands of the Reds?
A BBC reporter stated that troops fired into the crowds. If so, and assuming live rounds, then there would quite a few in hospital with gunshot wounds and presumably a few dead. There would also be blood on the streets -no sign of this in any newsclips.
Is it the case, then, that there are people hospitalised and that news censorship is preventing the nature of their injuries being disclosed? A bullet wound is pretty easy to identify and yet no report has mentioned gunshot wounds amongst those being treated.
I’m left wondering if this was a remarkably successful put down of a potentially more serious disturbance, or whether things were not quite as effectively dealt with as the media would have us believe.
Kavi and Walker on Australian radio
While the world is trying to get the people out of financial crisis, the Red Shirts’ actions did the exact opposite. They contribute to the delay resolving the financial crisis not just for 63 millions Thai people but billions of people in 16 countries whose leaders supposed to have a meeting in Pattya last week.
The Red Shirts protesters demanded to dissolve their parliament and hold new election. Complyiing to such demand could to waste billions of bath for the election to replace an already democratic government with another democratic government, while paralyze the government from properly dealing with the financial crisis for another six months. The turmoil they created have undo the progress made in the last four months by the PM Aphisit’s government to help the people, to restore confidence at International level, to boost tourism, , etc. The real economic impact of their actions are unmeasurable.
Millions of Thai people (including me) are happy that PM Aphisit restored peace and order to Thailand. PM Aphisit and his government needs the support of the Thai people and International community so they can devote their effort and resources to the REAL ISSUE, which is financial recovery.
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
Ben: your post has been seen before. One question: can you explain what you mean whe you say “Every Thai is indebted for his or her existence in this very land.”?
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
Ben Jung,
I have already said that my love and respect for the monarchy has condition. If it does not stay where it belongs, well….. you know what I mean.
I still helplessly hope that the King really cares for Thais, and will eventually does the right thing. If not, well…. I am sure I will live longer than him to see how things fold out. Whatever the outcome maybe, I will be just fine: heartbroken and occasional headache, but physically and financially well. What I am really concerned about the most is the well being of the poor and the disadvantage.
I have no time for the Amard system nor the Junta government. Hopefully, I will be able to fight with them intellectually, if that happened, I sure would be the winner :-))
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
A Thai,
“I’m not asking for the abolishing of the monarchy; I’m asking for my right to vote for a PM, and a government that will work for me”. I understand your point; but do Junta and the monarchy hear or understand or care what you and others want?
Thailand’s royal sub-plot
A THAI,
You have stated well the fact that Thailand belongs to the Thai people. And, you are also correct that much of Thailand was conquered by Thais. My wife’s great grandfather was once governor of Northern and Eastern Thailand, and Laos back in the days of Siam. This man “earned” his right to rule for obvious reasons.
And yet, my wife is not in the royalist camp. She is for the Thai people, and for the land of Thailand.
I note with disdain that the yellow camp infers that the red camp is not “Pro-King”. This is false. The red camp respects the King as much, or more, than the yellows. It is simply that the red camp chooses not to post banners of the king in order to appear as though they speak for him (who, by the way, is noticeably silent thgrough all of this, and has not stepped forward to condemn the protesters.)
In the USA, being called yellow means that one has no courage, and runs away all of the time, and never chooses a position from which to stand: a coward. This m,akes it a little more difficult for me to be objective at times, but I believe I am still looking at things from both sides.
Crackdown on the reds?
nganadeelek:
The reason I always come back to Thaksin is that vast numbers are worshipping his photo, I think that is muisguided and therefore try to get some reality into their views of him.
(also the the other person does not contest elections, cannot be voted for, or against, so there is no point [?] me me wasting my energy to get anyone to reconsider how they view that person[?])
I am genuinely surprised to see that an intelligent person like you can not see the untenability of such argument.