I agree it’s an interesting social phenomenon, and I actually quite like the pink adorning NM.
I’ve seen plenty of snide comments about yellow t-shirt wearing, Democrat-but-only-when-we-cant-win-an-election-Party, sufficiency democracy advocates etc, but it all sounds a bit one-sided to me – is that what the social sciences is all about?
Maybe I just don’t understand the social sciences – can one of you please explain to this non-academic just why AW & co only take digs at one side of the Thai political divide, and it’s basically ‘hands off’ the other side?
New Mandala is obsessed with color obsessions & other generally harmless superstitions, except when it concerns Thaksin’s voodoo – is it because the khmer voodoo is too powerful and off limits?
Here’s the thing, nganadeeleg: Thaksin’s khmer voodoo is his own personal belief, was highly ineffective, and came from the mouth of Sondhi Lim, who is a very very trustworthy source. Contrast the yellow-shirted phenomenon, which is being adorned by millions and millions of people. Surely it is legitimate for a social sciences blog to comment on such a social occurrence?
Nganadeeleg, I think your obsessed by this color thing given that you are the only one to have mentioned anything about it?
Also, LSS, why essentialise only Sheiks as obsessed? Why not Rabbi’s, the Dalai Lama, Benedict the XXIIIIIIIth, Dawkins or anyone else that claims a universal truth?
The majority of this site is white, which in Islam (and many other faiths…) represents birth and the majority of text is in black which represents the destruction of the self! Subsequently, isn’t this ‘colour’ scheme appropriate for a social science blog?! Maybe a new conspiracy theory for you to over analyze, nganadeeleg, could be what is pink is everything in between… -_-
Thanks for the tips you offered so far guys
We are especially looking for under appreciated sites with topical discussion of issues relating Thailand, Laos , Cambodia and Myanmar exclusively.
Lleij SS: You guessed right – I often agree with Sheik Hilaly.
New Mandala is obsessed with color obsessions & other generally harmless superstitions, except when it concerns Thaksin’s voodoo – is it because the khmer voodoo is too powerful and off limits?
Reading a number of comments above, I wonder what reasons you drew a conclusion that the King was behind the coup. This is not the ways intellectuals use: first putting the assumption, find out the reasons to come to your assumption that the King was the mastermind of the 19 Sept. Coup. Show me, anybody here, that the King was dirrectly involved in unforgivable 19 Sept. Coup
Sufficeient economy theory or philosophy whatever you like to call is not one direct way to solve all chronical economic problems in Thailand but it needs to be done in line with capitalism. Unfortunately, the bad junta Government has carried out SE policy with cunning and wicked purpose to destroy the populist policy of the former prime minister, SE policy thus does not work as it should be. However, who will be blamed, I don’t think it is the fault of the Monarch.
I love it!..”may be she just know her brother well”.
My question is:which one that she knew well, the brother that lost the election or me which wrote the letter to Bangkokpost.
I think my sister knew both of us very well, after all she raised both of us.
I heard what she told our brother..”If you want to be an MP you have to be a village headman first, then move up step by step”.
Did it ever occur to you that how certain colors are viewed in a cultural context, especially in relation to a culture’s mode of dress, is an extremely valid subject for anthropological investigation?
Reminds me of Republican lamenting Thaksin’s demise at the same time he was claiming it was all part of his brilliant strategic master plan.
Although I don’t believe in them, I have no problem with harmless superstitions which are done for a good purpose, such as helping the king’s recovery.
(Just like I have no problem with people offering prayers for a persons recovery in Western cultures)
I contrast those ‘good superstitions’ with the Thaksin type of ‘black magic’ done to enhance his personal wealth & power, curse his opponents, or inveigle his followers.
I don’t see anyone forcing people to wear pink, so what’s the big deal this time?
What country are you talking about?
They are certainly “not forcing” anyone to wear pink the way they’re “not forcing” anyone to wear yellow. (Of course, many are wearing yellow of their own free will. But just look at the offices of any government agencies or a great many private sector companies. The sort of “strongly recommended” policy is in place in all these organizations.
More seriously, I heard, so far, two “explanations” of this ‘pink campaign’, one quite official, the other rumor (but interesting nonetheless).
The kind of ‘official’ explanation is according to astrology, pink is aupicious for the King’s recovery. His birthday color is yellow of course. But people may (often) has different color for their other occasions (recovery, marraige and so on). So in order to ‘prolong’ his life (for the sake of the country’s stability of course), as many Thai as possible should turn pink.
The other explanation, or rather rumor, is the pink is the Crown Princess color and there’s going to be a ‘Color War’ between Yellow representing the Throne, or in this case the Crown Prince, and Pink, representing the Crown Princess. Sound.. well, far fetch, doesn’t it? But don’t discount anything yet: this is Thailand.
Even if it’s sad to see so many Thais again acting like an army of brainless robots in following this idiotic trend, it will bring relief to my eyes getting rid of this aggressive, ugly yellow. It may be just a coincidence that just now there is the Gay Pride Week in Bangkok… (was Bhumibol paying tribute to his homosexual subjects? Maybe he is not as conservative as everyone thinks…)
Somewhere over the rainbow this country might one day find its dignity again…
I commend the king on his new choice of color. Pink is not in my wardrobe, so I don’t have to throw out any shirts.
Sometimes I wonder if the king is a practical joker or a canny marketeer. After Thongdaeng shirts and yellow shirts we now have pink shirts. This could be just a practical joke or, as with palace emblem yellow shirts, the palace might be expanding its market in shirts. We know they got a cut on sales of the emblemed yellow shirts as this was reported in the press when there was a crackdown on pirated yellow shirts with royal emblem.
What does PINK refer to? Name of famous female singer? 🙂
I know exactly.
It’s God-given color. But It’s not for free, it’s for sell and very expensive one. It’s a BIG HIT color and will be replaced the yellow one.
What kind of country I live in?
Same color. Same thought. No Conflict just love each other.
STUPID!!! BIG LIAR!!!
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I agree it’s an interesting social phenomenon, and I actually quite like the pink adorning NM.
I’ve seen plenty of snide comments about yellow t-shirt wearing, Democrat-but-only-when-we-cant-win-an-election-Party, sufficiency democracy advocates etc, but it all sounds a bit one-sided to me – is that what the social sciences is all about?
Maybe I just don’t understand the social sciences – can one of you please explain to this non-academic just why AW & co only take digs at one side of the Thai political divide, and it’s basically ‘hands off’ the other side?
The way I see it there is fault on both sides.
New Mandala goes …….
New Mandala is obsessed with color obsessions & other generally harmless superstitions, except when it concerns Thaksin’s voodoo – is it because the khmer voodoo is too powerful and off limits?
Here’s the thing, nganadeeleg: Thaksin’s khmer voodoo is his own personal belief, was highly ineffective, and came from the mouth of Sondhi Lim, who is a very very trustworthy source. Contrast the yellow-shirted phenomenon, which is being adorned by millions and millions of people. Surely it is legitimate for a social sciences blog to comment on such a social occurrence?
New Mandala goes …….
Nganadeeleg, I think your obsessed by this color thing given that you are the only one to have mentioned anything about it?
Also, LSS, why essentialise only Sheiks as obsessed? Why not Rabbi’s, the Dalai Lama, Benedict the XXIIIIIIIth, Dawkins or anyone else that claims a universal truth?
The majority of this site is white, which in Islam (and many other faiths…) represents birth and the majority of text is in black which represents the destruction of the self! Subsequently, isn’t this ‘colour’ scheme appropriate for a social science blog?! Maybe a new conspiracy theory for you to over analyze, nganadeeleg, could be what is pink is everything in between… -_-
Southeast Asian websites for posterity
Thanks for the tips you offered so far guys
We are especially looking for under appreciated sites with topical discussion of issues relating Thailand, Laos , Cambodia and Myanmar exclusively.
New Mandala goes …….
Lleij SS: You guessed right – I often agree with Sheik Hilaly.
New Mandala is obsessed with color obsessions & other generally harmless superstitions, except when it concerns Thaksin’s voodoo – is it because the khmer voodoo is too powerful and off limits?
Some grassroots views on Thaksin and the coup
Your sister sounds very smart – great strategic advice for your brother, and she’s also 100 baht richer.
How are things in Kalasin this time of the year? – I hope to visit soon.
Royalist propaganda and policy nonsense
Reading a number of comments above, I wonder what reasons you drew a conclusion that the King was behind the coup. This is not the ways intellectuals use: first putting the assumption, find out the reasons to come to your assumption that the King was the mastermind of the 19 Sept. Coup. Show me, anybody here, that the King was dirrectly involved in unforgivable 19 Sept. Coup
Sufficeient economy theory or philosophy whatever you like to call is not one direct way to solve all chronical economic problems in Thailand but it needs to be done in line with capitalism. Unfortunately, the bad junta Government has carried out SE policy with cunning and wicked purpose to destroy the populist policy of the former prime minister, SE policy thus does not work as it should be. However, who will be blamed, I don’t think it is the fault of the Monarch.
Some grassroots views on Thaksin and the coup
I love it!..”may be she just know her brother well”.
My question is:which one that she knew well, the brother that lost the election or me which wrote the letter to Bangkokpost.
I think my sister knew both of us very well, after all she raised both of us.
I heard what she told our brother..”If you want to be an MP you have to be a village headman first, then move up step by step”.
Sunthorn Skulpone
New Mandala goes …….
That’s right, no one is forced. Post Today, on its front page (11 Nov.), printed a huge pic of Prathep and headlined the article:
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re: nganadeeleg:
I love it. New Mandala comments on the Yellow-shirted masses’ obession with color, and you accuse the New Mandala staff of being “obessed.”
Let me guess, Sheikh Nganadeeleg, you’re the kind of guy who blames female rape victims for wearing their skirts too short.
Did it ever occur to you that how certain colors are viewed in a cultural context, especially in relation to a culture’s mode of dress, is an extremely valid subject for anthropological investigation?
New Mandala goes …….
I love it – more conspiracy theories.
Reminds me of Republican lamenting Thaksin’s demise at the same time he was claiming it was all part of his brilliant strategic master plan.
Although I don’t believe in them, I have no problem with harmless superstitions which are done for a good purpose, such as helping the king’s recovery.
(Just like I have no problem with people offering prayers for a persons recovery in Western cultures)
I contrast those ‘good superstitions’ with the Thaksin type of ‘black magic’ done to enhance his personal wealth & power, curse his opponents, or inveigle his followers.
New Mandala goes …….
I don’t see anyone forcing people to wear pink, so what’s the big deal this time?
What country are you talking about?
They are certainly “not forcing” anyone to wear pink the way they’re “not forcing” anyone to wear yellow. (Of course, many are wearing yellow of their own free will. But just look at the offices of any government agencies or a great many private sector companies. The sort of “strongly recommended” policy is in place in all these organizations.
More seriously, I heard, so far, two “explanations” of this ‘pink campaign’, one quite official, the other rumor (but interesting nonetheless).
The kind of ‘official’ explanation is according to astrology, pink is aupicious for the King’s recovery. His birthday color is yellow of course. But people may (often) has different color for their other occasions (recovery, marraige and so on). So in order to ‘prolong’ his life (for the sake of the country’s stability of course), as many Thai as possible should turn pink.
The other explanation, or rather rumor, is the pink is the Crown Princess color and there’s going to be a ‘Color War’ between Yellow representing the Throne, or in this case the Crown Prince, and Pink, representing the Crown Princess. Sound.. well, far fetch, doesn’t it? But don’t discount anything yet: this is Thailand.
Self-sufficient junta
Thanks for the tip, Historicus, but I it’s my hobby, not yours, so I will give it up when it becomes tiresome to me, not you.
At least we agree on something, or have you changed your view since 26th October when you stated: I am not enamoured by PPP and despise Samak
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New Mandala’s obsession with colors is becoming tiresome:
http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2007/07/08/national-jaundice/
I don’t see anyone forcing people to wear pink, so what’s the big deal this time?
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I just love this blog!
Even if it’s sad to see so many Thais again acting like an army of brainless robots in following this idiotic trend, it will bring relief to my eyes getting rid of this aggressive, ugly yellow. It may be just a coincidence that just now there is the Gay Pride Week in Bangkok… (was Bhumibol paying tribute to his homosexual subjects? Maybe he is not as conservative as everyone thinks…)
Somewhere over the rainbow this country might one day find its dignity again…
New Mandala goes …….
Andrew-
Hilarious.
Self-sufficient junta
nganadeeleg : get another hobby. Your accusations are tiresome.
New Mandala goes …….
I commend the king on his new choice of color. Pink is not in my wardrobe, so I don’t have to throw out any shirts.
Sometimes I wonder if the king is a practical joker or a canny marketeer. After Thongdaeng shirts and yellow shirts we now have pink shirts. This could be just a practical joke or, as with palace emblem yellow shirts, the palace might be expanding its market in shirts. We know they got a cut on sales of the emblemed yellow shirts as this was reported in the press when there was a crackdown on pirated yellow shirts with royal emblem.
New Mandala goes …….
What does PINK refer to? Name of famous female singer? 🙂
I know exactly.
It’s God-given color. But It’s not for free, it’s for sell and very expensive one. It’s a BIG HIT color and will be replaced the yellow one.
What kind of country I live in?
Same color. Same thought. No Conflict just love each other.
STUPID!!! BIG LIAR!!!
New Mandala goes …….
1) Why not grey…. > Because the day following yellow has pink as its color?
2) As opposed to something that never goes up. > There is always the possibility of Viagra…