I agree with most of what Thongchai said in the article, of course. However, for the “No” campaign to win, I think it MUST also outline its plan for the post-referendum period.
Most Thais recognise that the country is at a crossroads. However, they are wary of taking the NO path. It is a path full of uncertainty and risk because there is no clarity about what happens next.
The YES path is a less risky path. It is a satisficing solution – Thais know that by voting YES the generals will still lurk in the background as the true power above the politicians (and the law), but most are prepared to ‘live with it’ as long as the generals are seen as more-or-less ‘khon dee’ (i.e. not too blatantly corrupt and are obedient to the King).
The uncertainty about what will happen if the NO vote wins the referendum is the greatest obstacle to it winning the referendum. The NO campaign must work out a plan and explain to the people its proposal for the post-referendum period. If it can articulate a sensible plan, I believe the NO campaign can win.
“If anyone is interested, I wrote a chapter on the early origins of this kind of manau festival in Burma ..Don’t want to fill the site here with loads of detail that everyone might not want but would be very happy to exchange info with anyone.”
I am interested. Probably many others too. It will probably several years, if that, before your new book is to be found in Thailand or Southeast Asia.
The toppling has a lot to do with discourses getting out of hand, with opportunities opening up, with free riders, etc.
But lets not forget that Thaksin’s own actions contributed significantly to his downfall.
I wont bother to regurgitate the list now (unless you want me to), but lets just say that obvious policy corruption combined with arrogance, ego, greed, stubbornness, superstition, and an autocratic style proved a fatal combination.
Blaming academics or journalists for undermining the legitimacy of TRT is a cop out – TRT left themselves wide open, and their own actions undermined their legitimacy.
BTW, plenty of academics/journalists called for proper investigations or for Thaksin to resign, but who was calling for a coup?
I would love to meet your mother L Samuel S. At least it IS your mother who carried the more cordial sounding pronounceable name Samuel.
But you do take yourself too seriously L Samuel S. If you cannot stand people making light of your intimidating names, you know you can always offer them your nickname . . . .problem solved. Hey Samuel Jr. . . . don’t you know when someone is jesting?
Actually, the Shin corp sale was not “the last nail,” but by far the most important one. Before that event, even The Nation or Thirayut Boonmee thought that Sondhi had by far insufficient evidence against Thaksin and should rather stop his actions. One cannot write the history of the toppling of Thaksin in a straightforward manner, such as “he was obviously bad — he had to go.” That’s retrospective rationalization to justify one’s own actions. The toppling has a lot to do with discourses getting out of hand, with opportunities opening up, with free riders, etc. Don’t fall into the trap of using some more or less convincing results from the AEC investigations as if those “data” had motivated the protestors against Thaksin.
It’s my first time to this site – really interesting post and great site. If anyone is interested, I wrote a chapter on the early origins of this kind of manau festival in Burma in ‘Burma: Art & Archaeology’ T. Blurton & A. Green (eds), British Museum Press, 2002 and various other things, which explains a bit, Aiontay, about the ritual officers and their role and its transformations ( I spent a few years studying the ritual language used in Burma). Ho Ts’ui P’ing at Academica Sinica has also done a lot of work on the festival in Yunnan. Don’t want to fill the site here with loads of detail that everyone might not want but would be very happy to exchange info with anyone. Terrific photographs.
#25 … The last four lines also talks about the weakness of having a bureaucrat as PM – presumably a swipe at Surayud (eventhough structly he’s not a bureaucrat but nevertheless a public servant of another sort)
Grabowsky cites some cases of voluntary migration in Lan Na, but forced migration as the result of military action was a lot more common. During periods of state breakdown when elites lost control, there was a lot of voluntary migration also, that I documented in a paper. Insofar as manpower recruitment or outright capture for war or building projects goes, there is a lot of evidence that things were not democratic at all.
There are Burmese royal orders from Thalun about 1638 that clearly show that it was illegal for commoners to even enter within the city walls of the capital without permission. Actions of commoners were pretty narrowly circumscribed, but that of elite were also. Thalun takes great pains to see that the property rights of “peasants” along the marching path of the military expedition to Yunnan were respected, but if the harsh and often arbitary punishments meted out in the Royal Orders of Burma are any indication of the state of things in villages hundreds of years ago, I would say there wasn’t much democracy at all. People will always create their imaginary golden ages if you give them a blank sheet of paper.
What is the point for this?
It’s just a game…Don’t try to symbolize it to
something else and if you really watched the whole game.You would see that those thai players worked and
tried bloody hard.They posessed the balls like 60%.
I just felt sorry for them. THEY DON”T DESERVED THIS SCORE.
A tragedy really..
Sorry to those who can’t read Thai. The gist of column concern current currency crisis and criticise the public employment experiences of BOT big shot.
Inside politic or not, lese majere law should not be use in vain. The case depend on whether police deem an act of academic test constitute lese majere. That mean, if the ground of this case is deem lese majere. Then all writing, public or private, are also lese majere.
It might be possible that the court might drop the case. But the lese majere law would be tarnish everytime it pass through police.
Republican said: “…academics who did so much to destroy the legitimacy of the Thai Rak Thai government…”
You still don’t get it do you – It wasn’t the academics who destroyed the legitimacy of the TRT government, it was the greed & arrogance of Thaksin and his TRT cronies who went along with it.
If Thaksin had changed slightly, it is very unlikely that a coup would have been accepted (welcomed with flowers).
Ultimately the tax free Shin-Temasek deal was Thaksin’s crowning glory, but it was also the final nail in his coffin.
It is because those ‘peasants’ & TRT ‘bend-overs’ still supported Thaksin after all his wrongdoings, that their choice has now been narrowed.
I must admit that I was rather shocked by Nidthi’s reaction of the coup last year when he said what was done (staging the coup) was done! For my impression, he welcomed the coup in the beginning.
However, he appeares to change his position now. He gave a good interview on T.V. this time me think. But Republican took Nidthi ‘s words out of its context and did not do justice to this interview. The interviewer asked : We have heard a view that democracy is unsuitable for Thai people. Do you think democracy is a suitable political model for Thai people? He answered positively. Yes! He defined democracy broadly as the capacity to manage resources. He then compared that villagers the past were able to manage their resources, a land, in the village to some extent; while nowadays under karatchakarn system, the official authority has absolute power to manage resources, such as the constructin of power plants. In my view, he affirmed positively that democracy is suitable for Thai by focusing on “the capacity” of villagers to resolve social conflicts in a democratic way, that is, by also taking claims of the new villagers into account, not rejecting to them all.
( Of course, he “forgot” to mention about a tradition of chasing dissent villagers by claiming that they were ghosts, and also about slave. But they are irrelevant to the question being asked as accusing other of being ghosts are not considered as a valid disapprovment in public anymore; and slave is also unacceptable.)
He also defended grassroots people who were charged of wrongly borrowing a village fund (a project during Thaksin Govt.) to buy prodigal commodities, such as mobile phones and motorcycles. He urged middle class to think in a grassrot point of view: Motorcyle enhances opportunity to get a job in a remote area, while mobile phone enables communication with the family members who work faraway from home.
I think the scores that Mr. Boonsong, give to students can’t be counted a proof of disparaging H.M. because, in theory, marks are evaluated according to how well we give a rational argumentation, and it has nothing to do with our political position.
And Boonsong wisely answered in Prachatai.com that his question asked about social phenomenon of yellow-shirt; it is not the same thing as criticizing the King.
I think he also hinted that this shit against him was just about politics in his university. His nemesis just used L.M. as a weapon to ruin him because he used to question ex-dean of the faculty for not having a financial transparancy, if not corruption. Now the Arts Faculty has just a Caretaker Dean due to the ex-dean is being under investigation. Déj├а Vu!
—– I thought Chulalongkorn University was very bad about investigating Giles Ungpakorn for an unstated reason. At least, they dabbed at Giles with mercy.
How unreal the details this quotation gives, Thai political situation now is really free…no fear no threat from the junta. This junta is quite different from the past, no need to think of Myanmar junta.
Do not exaggerate and lie the current in Thailand.
Firstly, I see that instead of replying with any sort of intelligent argument, you choose to continue to make fun of my name and confuse your personal attacks with displaying wit.
Secondly, I’m confident that you are clinically insane.
If you have a problem with my name, don’t take it up with me; take it up with my mother! She’s the one who chose it, after all. However, as a word of caution, my dear Vichai, I wouldn’t mess about with my notoriously feisty mother. She is not a Buddhist, and thus, doesn’t hold much weight in the concept of ahimsa. If you spoke any of your garbage to her, she’d knock your block off.
As for the rest, well….if you’re such an Anglophile, then could you please take back the Beckhams? We really don’t want them in the States, their presence lowers property values, you know? And when it comes to hip-hop, I’m a Tech N9ne fan, myself.
And with that, I’m done with you. You’ve proven yourself incapable of rational argument. Any discussion with you devolves into accusations and name-calling. This is a form of pharusavaca, which as a Buddhist, I must avoid.
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Thoughts on the referendum from Thongchai
I agree with most of what Thongchai said in the article, of course. However, for the “No” campaign to win, I think it MUST also outline its plan for the post-referendum period.
Most Thais recognise that the country is at a crossroads. However, they are wary of taking the NO path. It is a path full of uncertainty and risk because there is no clarity about what happens next.
The YES path is a less risky path. It is a satisficing solution – Thais know that by voting YES the generals will still lurk in the background as the true power above the politicians (and the law), but most are prepared to ‘live with it’ as long as the generals are seen as more-or-less ‘khon dee’ (i.e. not too blatantly corrupt and are obedient to the King).
The uncertainty about what will happen if the NO vote wins the referendum is the greatest obstacle to it winning the referendum. The NO campaign must work out a plan and explain to the people its proposal for the post-referendum period. If it can articulate a sensible plan, I believe the NO campaign can win.
Thai festivals in the UK
Come on Srithanonchai, Thai people had been migrated from the Northern China! 555
Thai festivals in the UK
Thai dancing — you mean Coyote or pole dancing, or something approved by the ministry of culture? Thai foods: no noodles, please, except Pad Thai!
Guns and other weapons at a Manau festival
“If anyone is interested, I wrote a chapter on the early origins of this kind of manau festival in Burma ..Don’t want to fill the site here with loads of detail that everyone might not want but would be very happy to exchange info with anyone.”
I am interested. Probably many others too. It will probably several years, if that, before your new book is to be found in Thailand or Southeast Asia.
Thongchai’s update on the Thai Studies conference
The toppling has a lot to do with discourses getting out of hand, with opportunities opening up, with free riders, etc.
But lets not forget that Thaksin’s own actions contributed significantly to his downfall.
I wont bother to regurgitate the list now (unless you want me to), but lets just say that obvious policy corruption combined with arrogance, ego, greed, stubbornness, superstition, and an autocratic style proved a fatal combination.
Blaming academics or journalists for undermining the legitimacy of TRT is a cop out – TRT left themselves wide open, and their own actions undermined their legitimacy.
BTW, plenty of academics/journalists called for proper investigations or for Thaksin to resign, but who was calling for a coup?
No!
I would love to meet your mother L Samuel S. At least it IS your mother who carried the more cordial sounding pronounceable name Samuel.
But you do take yourself too seriously L Samuel S. If you cannot stand people making light of your intimidating names, you know you can always offer them your nickname . . . .problem solved. Hey Samuel Jr. . . . don’t you know when someone is jesting?
By the way my nickname is Chai not Vic.
Thongchai’s update on the Thai Studies conference
Republican, ‘poseur academia’? It takes one to know one!
Earl Grey and a scone please,
Macgregor.
Thongchai’s update on the Thai Studies conference
Actually, the Shin corp sale was not “the last nail,” but by far the most important one. Before that event, even The Nation or Thirayut Boonmee thought that Sondhi had by far insufficient evidence against Thaksin and should rather stop his actions. One cannot write the history of the toppling of Thaksin in a straightforward manner, such as “he was obviously bad — he had to go.” That’s retrospective rationalization to justify one’s own actions. The toppling has a lot to do with discourses getting out of hand, with opportunities opening up, with free riders, etc. Don’t fall into the trap of using some more or less convincing results from the AEC investigations as if those “data” had motivated the protestors against Thaksin.
Guns and other weapons at a Manau festival
It’s my first time to this site – really interesting post and great site. If anyone is interested, I wrote a chapter on the early origins of this kind of manau festival in Burma in ‘Burma: Art & Archaeology’ T. Blurton & A. Green (eds), British Museum Press, 2002 and various other things, which explains a bit, Aiontay, about the ritual officers and their role and its transformations ( I spent a few years studying the ritual language used in Burma). Ho Ts’ui P’ing at Academica Sinica has also done a lot of work on the festival in Yunnan. Don’t want to fill the site here with loads of detail that everyone might not want but would be very happy to exchange info with anyone. Terrific photographs.
No!
#25 … The last four lines also talks about the weakness of having a bureaucrat as PM – presumably a swipe at Surayud (eventhough structly he’s not a bureaucrat but nevertheless a public servant of another sort)
Thongchai’s update on the Thai Studies conference
“Democracy” is certainly a loaded term that allows one to push all the right emotional buttons and play certain people like a Bach fugue on an organ.
Certainly there was no “electoral democracy” hundreds of years ago. Peasant mobility (voting with their feet) was possible, just as it wasn’t possible in Russia under the serf system, see Domar’s discussion:
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/001447.html
Grabowsky cites some cases of voluntary migration in Lan Na, but forced migration as the result of military action was a lot more common. During periods of state breakdown when elites lost control, there was a lot of voluntary migration also, that I documented in a paper. Insofar as manpower recruitment or outright capture for war or building projects goes, there is a lot of evidence that things were not democratic at all.
There are Burmese royal orders from Thalun about 1638 that clearly show that it was illegal for commoners to even enter within the city walls of the capital without permission. Actions of commoners were pretty narrowly circumscribed, but that of elite were also. Thalun takes great pains to see that the property rights of “peasants” along the marching path of the military expedition to Yunnan were respected, but if the harsh and often arbitary punishments meted out in the Royal Orders of Burma are any indication of the state of things in villages hundreds of years ago, I would say there wasn’t much democracy at all. People will always create their imaginary golden ages if you give them a blank sheet of paper.
Australia 4 Thailand 0
What is the point for this?
It’s just a game…Don’t try to symbolize it to
something else and if you really watched the whole game.You would see that those thai players worked and
tried bloody hard.They posessed the balls like 60%.
I just felt sorry for them. THEY DON”T DESERVED THIS SCORE.
A tragedy really..
No!
Thai Rath editorial, 20Jul07
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р╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕вр╣Йр╕нр╕Щр╕Фр╕╣р╕нр╕Фр╕╡р╕Хр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Фр╕╣р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Ир╕Ир╕╕р╕Ър╕▒р╕Щ р╕Ир╕░р╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щр╕Кр╕▒р╕Фр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕лр╕▓р╣Гр╕Щр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й
р╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕зр╕┤р╕Бр╕др╕Хр╕┤р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕Чр╕в р╣Др╕ер╣Ир╕вр╣Йр╕нр╕Щр╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╕╣р╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ър╕Зр╕Бр╣Мр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╣Гр╕Щр╕Кр╣Ир╕зр╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕лр╕▓ р╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ър╕Зр╕Бр╣Мр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕ер╕╣р╕Бр╕лр╕бр╣Йр╕нр╣Бр╕Ър╕Зр╕Бр╣Мр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щ
р╣Гр╕Щр╕Вр╕Ур╕░р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ър╕Зр╕Бр╣Мр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╕вр╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╣Мр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣Ир╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Кр╣Ир╕Щ р╕кр╕лр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕п р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щ р╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕нр╕ер╕▒р╕Щ р╕Бр╕гр╕╡р╕Щр╕кр╣Бр╕Ыр╕Щ р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Шр╕▓р╕Щр╕Шр╕Щр╕▓р╕Др╕▓р╕гр╕Бр╕ер╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕Бр╣Ир╕нр╕Щ р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕н р╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ър╕Щ р╣Ар╕Ър╕нр╕гр╣Мр╕Щр╕▓р╣Ар╕Бр╣Й р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Шр╕▓р╕Щр╕Шр╕Щр╕▓р╕Др╕▓р╕гр╕Бр╕ер╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕Ыр╕▒р╕Ир╕Ир╕╕р╕Ър╕▒р╕Щ р╕ер╣Йр╕зр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щр╕гр╕░р╕Фр╕▒р╕Ър╣Ар╕Бр╕Ир╕┤р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Др╕гр╣Ир╕│р╕лр╕зр╕нр╕Фр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕ар╕▓р╕Др╣Ар╕нр╕Бр╕Кр╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щ
р╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕лр╕▒р╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╕Фр╕╣ “р╕Др╕Ур╕░р╕Бр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Щр╣Вр╕вр╕Ър╕▓р╕вр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щ” р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕н р╕Бр╕Бр╕З. р╕Чр╕╡р╣И р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕Эр╕▓р╕Бр╕нр╕Щр╕▓р╕Др╕Хр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щр╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕зр╣Йр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ър╕нр╕гр╣Мр╕Фр╕Кр╕╕р╕Фр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕Бр╣Зр╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╣Ар╕ир╕гр╣Йр╕▓ р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕нр╕Ър╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕в “р╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕│” р╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕лр╕бр╕Ф “р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╣Ар╕Кр╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕зр╕Кр╕▓р╕Нр╕Чр╕▓р╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щ” р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕кр╕Ър╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕Др╕гр╣Ир╕│р╕лр╕зр╕нр╕Фр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕ар╕▓р╕вр╕Щр╕нр╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕гр╣Ир╕зр╕бр╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╣Ар╕ер╕вр╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕з
р╕Ър╕нр╕гр╣Мр╕Ф р╕Бр╕Бр╕З. 7 р╕Др╕Щ р╣Гр╕Щр╕Кр╕╕р╕Фр╕Ыр╕▒р╕Ир╕Ир╕╕р╕Ър╕▒р╕Щр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕нр╕Ър╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕Др╕Щр╣Бр╕Ър╕Зр╕Бр╣Мр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤ 3 р╕Др╕Щ р╕Др╕╖р╕н р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕г р╣Бр╕ер╕░ р╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕г 2 р╕Др╕Щ р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕Чр╕гр╕Зр╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╕зр╕╕р╕Тр╕┤р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕ар╕▓р╕вр╕Щр╕нр╕Бр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Хр╕▒р╕зр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕нр╕Ър╕нр╕╡р╕Б 4 р╕Др╕Щ р╕Лр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕бр╕▓р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕кр╕▓р╕вр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щ р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щ р╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕│ р╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щ р╕Др╕╖р╕н р╕нр╕гр╕▒р╕Н р╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╣Вр╕Щ р╕нр╕Фр╕╡р╕Хр╕Ыр╕ер╕▒р╕Фр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕гр╕зр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Др╕ер╕▒р╕З р╕Ир╕▒р╕Бр╕гр╕бр╕Ур╕Ср╣М р╕Ьр╕▓р╕кр╕╕р╕Бр╕зр╕Щр╕┤р╕К р╕Ыр╕ер╕▒р╕Фр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕гр╕зр╕Зр╕нр╕╕р╕Хр╕кр╕▓р╕лр╕Бр╕гр╕гр╕б р╕нр╕│р╕Юр╕Щ р╕Бр╕┤р╕Хр╕Хр╕┤р╕нр╕│р╕Юр╕Щ р╣Ар╕ер╕Вр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕ар╕▓р╕Юр╕▒р╕Тр╕Щр╣М р╣Бр╕ер╕░ р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕╕р╕У р╕Бр╕┤р╕Хр╕Хр╕┤р╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Юр╕г р╕Ыр╕ер╕▒р╕Фр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Чр╕гр╕зр╕Зр╕Юр╕▓р╕Ур╕┤р╕Кр╕вр╣М р╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Бр╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╕гр╕╡ р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕▓р╕Ир╕▓р╕Б р╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕│ р╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕Бр╣Зр╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕кр╕Щр╕╕р╕Бр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣И
р╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щ “р╕Ир╕╕р╕Фр╕нр╣Ир╕нр╕Щр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕Чр╕в” р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕вр╕▒р╕Зр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ъ р╕нр╣Ир╕нр╕Щр╣Бр╕нр╕Хр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╣Вр╕Др╕гр╕Зр╕кр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕Ир╕▒р╕Фр╕Чр╕▒р╕Юр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕гр╕Ър╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕вр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Бр╣Зр╣Бр╕Юр╣Йр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕вр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Бр╕Щр╣Ир╕Щр╕нр╕Щ.”
Sorry to those who can’t read Thai. The gist of column concern current currency crisis and criticise the public employment experiences of BOT big shot.
Academic freedom?
Inside politic or not, lese majere law should not be use in vain. The case depend on whether police deem an act of academic test constitute lese majere. That mean, if the ground of this case is deem lese majere. Then all writing, public or private, are also lese majere.
It might be possible that the court might drop the case. But the lese majere law would be tarnish everytime it pass through police.
Thongchai’s update on the Thai Studies conference
Republican said: “…academics who did so much to destroy the legitimacy of the Thai Rak Thai government…”
You still don’t get it do you – It wasn’t the academics who destroyed the legitimacy of the TRT government, it was the greed & arrogance of Thaksin and his TRT cronies who went along with it.
If Thaksin had changed slightly, it is very unlikely that a coup would have been accepted (welcomed with flowers).
Ultimately the tax free Shin-Temasek deal was Thaksin’s crowning glory, but it was also the final nail in his coffin.
It is because those ‘peasants’ & TRT ‘bend-overs’ still supported Thaksin after all his wrongdoings, that their choice has now been narrowed.
Thongchai’s update on the Thai Studies conference
I must admit that I was rather shocked by Nidthi’s reaction of the coup last year when he said what was done (staging the coup) was done! For my impression, he welcomed the coup in the beginning.
However, he appeares to change his position now. He gave a good interview on T.V. this time me think. But Republican took Nidthi ‘s words out of its context and did not do justice to this interview. The interviewer asked : We have heard a view that democracy is unsuitable for Thai people. Do you think democracy is a suitable political model for Thai people? He answered positively. Yes! He defined democracy broadly as the capacity to manage resources. He then compared that villagers the past were able to manage their resources, a land, in the village to some extent; while nowadays under karatchakarn system, the official authority has absolute power to manage resources, such as the constructin of power plants. In my view, he affirmed positively that democracy is suitable for Thai by focusing on “the capacity” of villagers to resolve social conflicts in a democratic way, that is, by also taking claims of the new villagers into account, not rejecting to them all.
( Of course, he “forgot” to mention about a tradition of chasing dissent villagers by claiming that they were ghosts, and also about slave. But they are irrelevant to the question being asked as accusing other of being ghosts are not considered as a valid disapprovment in public anymore; and slave is also unacceptable.)
He also defended grassroots people who were charged of wrongly borrowing a village fund (a project during Thaksin Govt.) to buy prodigal commodities, such as mobile phones and motorcycles. He urged middle class to think in a grassrot point of view: Motorcyle enhances opportunity to get a job in a remote area, while mobile phone enables communication with the family members who work faraway from home.
Academic freedom?
answer to fall….
I think the scores that Mr. Boonsong, give to students can’t be counted a proof of disparaging H.M. because, in theory, marks are evaluated according to how well we give a rational argumentation, and it has nothing to do with our political position.
And Boonsong wisely answered in Prachatai.com that his question asked about social phenomenon of yellow-shirt; it is not the same thing as criticizing the King.
I think he also hinted that this shit against him was just about politics in his university. His nemesis just used L.M. as a weapon to ruin him because he used to question ex-dean of the faculty for not having a financial transparancy, if not corruption. Now the Arts Faculty has just a Caretaker Dean due to the ex-dean is being under investigation. Déj├а Vu!
—– I thought Chulalongkorn University was very bad about investigating Giles Ungpakorn for an unstated reason. At least, they dabbed at Giles with mercy.
Academic freedom?
On this issue, I think it’s just a politics inside the faculty.
So sorry for this…both of them are known to me…one is my old teacher.
Even I don’t agree with their opinion and arguments, we should support freedom and do not cook up with kind of blackmail.
Struggle for constitutional survival
How unreal the details this quotation gives, Thai political situation now is really free…no fear no threat from the junta. This junta is quite different from the past, no need to think of Myanmar junta.
Do not exaggerate and lie the current in Thailand.
No!
Re Vichai>
Firstly, I see that instead of replying with any sort of intelligent argument, you choose to continue to make fun of my name and confuse your personal attacks with displaying wit.
Secondly, I’m confident that you are clinically insane.
If you have a problem with my name, don’t take it up with me; take it up with my mother! She’s the one who chose it, after all. However, as a word of caution, my dear Vichai, I wouldn’t mess about with my notoriously feisty mother. She is not a Buddhist, and thus, doesn’t hold much weight in the concept of ahimsa. If you spoke any of your garbage to her, she’d knock your block off.
As for the rest, well….if you’re such an Anglophile, then could you please take back the Beckhams? We really don’t want them in the States, their presence lowers property values, you know? And when it comes to hip-hop, I’m a Tech N9ne fan, myself.
And with that, I’m done with you. You’ve proven yourself incapable of rational argument. Any discussion with you devolves into accusations and name-calling. This is a form of pharusavaca, which as a Buddhist, I must avoid.
Good day to you, sir!