Vichai, how do you rationalize talking to р╕Эр╕гр╕▒р╣Ир╕Зр╕Хр╕▓р╕Щр╣Йр╕│р╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕з when traditionally, the Westerner has seen the color yellow to mean sickness? Therefore we farang were never going to be acceptable to your daffodil inclinations through the nature of our own conservative PIETY!!
One may criticize the movie feeling it’s not art, but anyway,
it sheds light on the state of Burma.
A movie such as Rambo is likely to have a wide public.
So we may hope that it will raise people awareness of
the poor state of Karens and other minorities in Myanmar.
Historicus was that a fact – – the yellow shirt abusing you at the cinema because you were not so royally adorned? My my my my . . . what a pity.
But there is another possibility that you were just a total nuisance during the whole movie show. I did abuse someone in a movie house a week ago because the guy was flatulently very rude in the middle of a romantic kiss between my favorite actor and actress!
Thanks for this link. It’s great to hear about mainstream non-denominational organisations like this, that target both girls and boys. That’s it’s run by a Thai female (outsider from the Akha community) is also significant.
In the past, Christian missionary males running orphanages full of Akha females naturally raised suspicions.
Baan Chivitmai is great (founded by a Christian Swedish female), but apart from that, all sorts of shady operations were sprouting up. One Akha NGO head owned a BMW and was more likely than not to be found on the golf course. One Korean missionary was reportedly dashing around Maesai brothels, no doubt doing important “field work.”
In the past, one Thai female school teacher in Mae Chan even claimed that a Malaysian Chinese little boy trafficker was masquerading as a missionary. I even talked to her over the phone, translating the Thai for Matthew. This is entirely possible since the whole NGO sector isn’t or wasn’t regulated like it should be.
The Ayui Foundation has to be reckoned as one of the good results of globalisation.
CDA accepts challenge to debate draft charter
Midnight University: public being deceived
MONGKOL BANGPRAPA
Cha-am _ The Constitution Drafting Assembly has accepted a challenge from Midnight University to debate the new constitution ahead of the planned Aug 19 referendum. Somchai Ruchupan, chairman of the panel tasked with publicising the draft charter, said he agreed with Midnight director Nidhi Eowseewong’s proposal for a debate between supporters and opponents of the draft.
This would give the public a better understanding of the issues. A format for the forum had still to be discussed, he added.
Charter writers and CDA members are gathering in this resort district of Phetchaburi to prepare a campaign on the draft charter.
Midnight University, an online academic forum operating out of Chiang Mai, is strongly opposed to the draft, which it says ”has so far failed to reflect the people’s opinions”.
”Broadcasting media under the control of the army and certain television stations have been misused by the state to convey false messages to persuade people to endorse the draft 2007 constitution,” a statement issued by the university said.
Other groups, including university students and Thai Rak Thai, also rejected the draft.
Constitution Drafting Committee secretary Somkid Lertpaithoon agreed a debate would allow people to hear both sides of the argument.
However, he did not think it should be broadcast on television as this would only create confusion among the public.
Any group had the right to campaign for the acceptance or rejection of the draft, but he did not agree with people opting to abstain from voting at the referendum. They should vote to either accept or reject it.
Mr Somkid said opponents of the draft should compare it with previous constitutions, particularly the 1997 charter, during the debate. They should not use the forum simply to attack the CDC.
Khomsan Phokhong, a CDA member, said although there were many groups opposed to the draft, both the CDA and CDC agreed it was perfect and believed the majority of the public would realise this and vote to accept it.
He urged those against accepting the draft to read all 309 articles before criticising it. It was not acceptable to simply oppose it without having read it thoroughly, Mr Khomsan said.
The CDC secretary denied the charter drafters had worked under the direction of the CNS. Many issues proposed by the CNS, such as provision for a non-elected prime minister, were not included. The draft states clearly that the prime minister must be elected, he said.
This meant that any military officers or CNS members wanting to become prime minister must contest the general election, he said.
An event not to be missed – hopefully New Mandala can get a ticket before they are sold out!
Vichai’s comment is silly. It seems he thinks that national crazes associated with political movements and enforced displays of loyalty are unimportant. That is a shame for he is missing something important.
I don’t recall hula hoops being symbolic of any political movement. Swastikas were around for a long time, but then were taken up by the Nazis as a symbol. That’s why symbols are significant.
It seems that people not wearing yellow are making a statement today. Like the guy who sat down during the national anthem in the cinema I was in the other day and was abused by a yellow shirt.
Seem like military dictatorship is a trend of the 21 century.
Quite interesting how people seem to lose all senses on this bill.
Southern problem partly cause by unlawful oppression of the state. So we make that oppression lawful?
And Thaksin was shun because of extrajudicial killing, yet the bill suppose to make the killing judicial?
History have taught that even the righteous was corrupt by power. And in all vain hope, we are to support a bill that will put that power in a hand of some military officer?
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I commiserate with you Srithanonchai impelled to participate at this \’sort of nonsensical issue at all\’ just to give credence to the sad shape of Thai politics at the moment, now that Beloved Leader Thaksin Shinawatra had been banished.
But there is a more tickling subject matter elsewhere whether or not \’PM Potjaman Shinawatra\’ is a realistic view. Sure why not? After all I do NOT believe all Thaksin\’s \’honest mistakes\’ have been uncovered and as sure as lightning will strike Manchester City sooner or later, lightning can strike again to bless or curse Thailand with another Shinawatra at the PM\’s chair.
The junta will be able to convict Pojaman on something, whether or not there are grounds. Or if they pass the Internal Security Act, they can store her in an underground cell until she “hangs herself”. I don’t think Sonthi is quaking in his jackboots thinking about that threat.
I agree that a return to the late 1990’s type of politics is optimistic. Given that the junta will appoint all oversight agencies prior to the elections, appoint half the senators and then try to pass a dictator’s constitution that can only be changed with the approval of a majority of that same senate, calling the “elected” politicians a government is even a bit optimistic.
Thank’s Mr Sunthorn Skulpone for taking the time to write.
(from today’s Bangkok Post letters to the editor): Mr Burin mentioned educating the villagers about democracy. Let me tell you the real thing. In one election, my own sister voted for the guy who gave her 100 baht rather than our brother who ran in the same district. After the election which our brother lost, I asked my sister who she voted for and she whisper ”they gave me 100 baht.” There is no hope trying to teach my sister democracy. SUNTHORN SKULPONE Kalasin
And who’s to stop this bill being passed? Certainly not the military-appointed & salaried NLA. Even after elections are held, will the new civilian government have the guts to repeal it? I think not. We better hope the military is populated with one khon dee after another, eh?, otherwise we may see Black May part II, the sequel.
Historicus you realy truly sincerely earnestly believe that this forum on the subject of “yellow”, led by Andrew Walker questions something relevant, important and even earth shaking?
I give the ‘royal yellow fever’ a fad rating only two stars higher than the hula hoop!
But enjoy yourselves people . . . and let Andrew Walker be your guide . . . he he he he
All I know is contained in the Prachatai post that is was linked to by Tip. Perhaps other New Mandala readers, or Thongchai himself, can shed some more light on the incident in question.
andrew/nich, any discussion on the ruckus created by thongchai’s bold fashion statement as tip mentioned? i am interested to find out whether he got ‘lese-majested’.
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National jaundice
Vichai. My sincere apologies. I had mistakenly assumed that you read posts, understood them and were interested in serious response.
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Vichai, how do you rationalize talking to р╕Эр╕гр╕▒р╣Ир╕Зр╕Хр╕▓р╕Щр╣Йр╕│р╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕з when traditionally, the Westerner has seen the color yellow to mean sickness? Therefore we farang were never going to be acceptable to your daffodil inclinations through the nature of our own conservative PIETY!!
“Revolutionary” Rambo vs Burmese atrocities
One may criticize the movie feeling it’s not art, but anyway,
it sheds light on the state of Burma.
A movie such as Rambo is likely to have a wide public.
So we may hope that it will raise people awareness of
the poor state of Karens and other minorities in Myanmar.
National jaundice
Historicus was that a fact – – the yellow shirt abusing you at the cinema because you were not so royally adorned? My my my my . . . what a pity.
But there is another possibility that you were just a total nuisance during the whole movie show. I did abuse someone in a movie house a week ago because the guy was flatulently very rude in the middle of a romantic kiss between my favorite actor and actress!
Ayui Foundation in Chiang Rai
Thanks for this link. It’s great to hear about mainstream non-denominational organisations like this, that target both girls and boys. That’s it’s run by a Thai female (outsider from the Akha community) is also significant.
In the past, Christian missionary males running orphanages full of Akha females naturally raised suspicions.
Baan Chivitmai is great (founded by a Christian Swedish female), but apart from that, all sorts of shady operations were sprouting up. One Akha NGO head owned a BMW and was more likely than not to be found on the golf course. One Korean missionary was reportedly dashing around Maesai brothels, no doubt doing important “field work.”
In the past, one Thai female school teacher in Mae Chan even claimed that a Malaysian Chinese little boy trafficker was masquerading as a missionary. I even talked to her over the phone, translating the Thai for Matthew. This is entirely possible since the whole NGO sector isn’t or wasn’t regulated like it should be.
The Ayui Foundation has to be reckoned as one of the good results of globalisation.
Strategic comment on Thai politics
From today’s Bangkok Post:
CDA accepts challenge to debate draft charter
Midnight University: public being deceived
MONGKOL BANGPRAPA
Cha-am _ The Constitution Drafting Assembly has accepted a challenge from Midnight University to debate the new constitution ahead of the planned Aug 19 referendum. Somchai Ruchupan, chairman of the panel tasked with publicising the draft charter, said he agreed with Midnight director Nidhi Eowseewong’s proposal for a debate between supporters and opponents of the draft.
This would give the public a better understanding of the issues. A format for the forum had still to be discussed, he added.
Charter writers and CDA members are gathering in this resort district of Phetchaburi to prepare a campaign on the draft charter.
Midnight University, an online academic forum operating out of Chiang Mai, is strongly opposed to the draft, which it says ”has so far failed to reflect the people’s opinions”.
”Broadcasting media under the control of the army and certain television stations have been misused by the state to convey false messages to persuade people to endorse the draft 2007 constitution,” a statement issued by the university said.
Other groups, including university students and Thai Rak Thai, also rejected the draft.
Constitution Drafting Committee secretary Somkid Lertpaithoon agreed a debate would allow people to hear both sides of the argument.
However, he did not think it should be broadcast on television as this would only create confusion among the public.
Any group had the right to campaign for the acceptance or rejection of the draft, but he did not agree with people opting to abstain from voting at the referendum. They should vote to either accept or reject it.
Mr Somkid said opponents of the draft should compare it with previous constitutions, particularly the 1997 charter, during the debate. They should not use the forum simply to attack the CDC.
Khomsan Phokhong, a CDA member, said although there were many groups opposed to the draft, both the CDA and CDC agreed it was perfect and believed the majority of the public would realise this and vote to accept it.
He urged those against accepting the draft to read all 309 articles before criticising it. It was not acceptable to simply oppose it without having read it thoroughly, Mr Khomsan said.
The CDC secretary denied the charter drafters had worked under the direction of the CNS. Many issues proposed by the CNS, such as provision for a non-elected prime minister, were not included. The draft states clearly that the prime minister must be elected, he said.
This meant that any military officers or CNS members wanting to become prime minister must contest the general election, he said.
An event not to be missed – hopefully New Mandala can get a ticket before they are sold out!
National jaundice
Vichai’s comment is silly. It seems he thinks that national crazes associated with political movements and enforced displays of loyalty are unimportant. That is a shame for he is missing something important.
I don’t recall hula hoops being symbolic of any political movement. Swastikas were around for a long time, but then were taken up by the Nazis as a symbol. That’s why symbols are significant.
It seems that people not wearing yellow are making a statement today. Like the guy who sat down during the national anthem in the cinema I was in the other day and was abused by a yellow shirt.
“No warrant, and no reporting”
Seem like military dictatorship is a trend of the 21 century.
Quite interesting how people seem to lose all senses on this bill.
Southern problem partly cause by unlawful oppression of the state. So we make that oppression lawful?
And Thaksin was shun because of extrajudicial killing, yet the bill suppose to make the killing judicial?
History have taught that even the righteous was corrupt by power. And in all vain hope, we are to support a bill that will put that power in a hand of some military officer?
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
“Rural no more”
Re 6: It’s my understanding that you have to have a legitimate address to vote. That excludes most urban slum dwellers who don’t have property rights.
National jaundice
I commiserate with you Srithanonchai impelled to participate at this \’sort of nonsensical issue at all\’ just to give credence to the sad shape of Thai politics at the moment, now that Beloved Leader Thaksin Shinawatra had been banished.
But there is a more tickling subject matter elsewhere whether or not \’PM Potjaman Shinawatra\’ is a realistic view. Sure why not? After all I do NOT believe all Thaksin\’s \’honest mistakes\’ have been uncovered and as sure as lightning will strike Manchester City sooner or later, lightning can strike again to bless or curse Thailand with another Shinawatra at the PM\’s chair.
Strategic comment on Thai politics
The junta will be able to convict Pojaman on something, whether or not there are grounds. Or if they pass the Internal Security Act, they can store her in an underground cell until she “hangs herself”. I don’t think Sonthi is quaking in his jackboots thinking about that threat.
I agree that a return to the late 1990’s type of politics is optimistic. Given that the junta will appoint all oversight agencies prior to the elections, appoint half the senators and then try to pass a dictator’s constitution that can only be changed with the approval of a majority of that same senate, calling the “elected” politicians a government is even a bit optimistic.
Some grassroots views on Thaksin and the coup
Thank’s Mr Sunthorn Skulpone for taking the time to write.
(from today’s Bangkok Post letters to the editor):
Mr Burin mentioned educating the villagers about democracy. Let me tell you the real thing. In one election, my own sister voted for the guy who gave her 100 baht rather than our brother who ran in the same district. After the election which our brother lost, I asked my sister who she voted for and she whisper ”they gave me 100 baht.” There is no hope trying to teach my sister democracy. SUNTHORN SKULPONE Kalasin
Maybe she just knew her brother well !
“No warrant, and no reporting”
“new civilian government” > Who knows — maybe, the post-election government will neither be that new nor that civilian?
“No warrant, and no reporting”
And who’s to stop this bill being passed? Certainly not the military-appointed & salaried NLA. Even after elections are held, will the new civilian government have the guts to repeal it? I think not. We better hope the military is populated with one khon dee after another, eh?, otherwise we may see Black May part II, the sequel.
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National jaundice
That there has to be a discussion on this sort of nonsensical issue at all somehow demonstrates in what sort of shape Thai politics is at the moment.
National jaundice
Historicus you realy truly sincerely earnestly believe that this forum on the subject of “yellow”, led by Andrew Walker questions something relevant, important and even earth shaking?
I give the ‘royal yellow fever’ a fad rating only two stars higher than the hula hoop!
But enjoy yourselves people . . . and let Andrew Walker be your guide . . . he he he he
National jaundice
Diego,
All I know is contained in the Prachatai post that is was linked to by Tip. Perhaps other New Mandala readers, or Thongchai himself, can shed some more light on the incident in question.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
National jaundice
andrew/nich, any discussion on the ruckus created by thongchai’s bold fashion statement as tip mentioned? i am interested to find out whether he got ‘lese-majested’.
National jaundice
What on earth is Vichai on about? Is the point that no one should question the national yellow mania or the elements of royalist propaganda?