Now see http://www.networkmyanmar.com/images/stories/PDF18/The-Mujahid-Rebellion-in-Arakan.pdf which opens up a whole new world about “Rwangya” which up to at least 1955 defined the ‘Arakan Mohamedans’ – their choice of designation and one which, for that very reason, I would wholeheartedly endorse. The “Rwangya” were seen as quite separate from the “Chittagonian Muslims” in Arakan.
Really do not know which ‘Myo’ are you anyway definitely understand–
“Money talks BMW walks”
Money represent knowledge(Education), Accept (Economic) realities, Not selling BMW (Staying Healthy) etc.
Give me any instance of your self deprecating examples of CHAUVINISM and I will give you PyinUlwin and Maulamyain to prove you wrong.
Do not encourage westerner who conveniently pontificate over HR principles to make their point w/o knowing the facts on the ground in Myanmar.
Last of all but the least is
“To be uniquely different for the good of all wherever one may be” THE sure remedy to any of your and other BMW including being Kalars, Tayoke, Bamar or any race.
I don’t think Hun Sen is going to put much pressure on the border, until he sees the now rapidly growing Isaarn-Lanna separatist movement start to put real pressure against the current Bangkok regime.
In this case “self-identity” that rests on aggressively assertive “self-determination” that in turn rested on ethnic cleansing of the northern Rakhine population during WW2.
Don’t get side tracked by the debate of Rohingya…there’s really nothing to debate, this is a fabricated terminology to hide the underlining issues we have in Burma today. Which is call Islamization of South Asia. The radical of Islam are the very culprits behind all these conflicts and issues…just like they are the culprits in the Middle East, Israel, Africa, Europe, Paris, Thailand, USA, etc., Very simple the insertion of Islam into the political arena with the intent to destroy infidels as stated in their doctrines.
The name ‘rohingya’ is not only used by the Bengalis but also by the Chakmas. And it means an inhabitant of Rakhine, or a
Rakhine, which again is also called as Mog or Mag. The subtle difference is more prominent when the Chakmas say Rohingya Mog, Tripura Mog, meaning a Rakhine living in Burma, and another in Tripura State, India. Again Rohingya Bangal is the term for a Bengali Muslim in Rakhine state. Is there any racist remark here? A minority right can never be considered legal when they manipulate their identity to demand other’s territory. Should the Rakhine kings were Muslims, where are the elaborate tombs and mausoleums? Rather we only see great Buddhist temples and pagodas, some of which houses the relics of those Buddhist kings.
I just find outrageous the claims made often by Mr. Tonkin that the Rohingya identity has been enforced on the Arakanese Muslim population. Of course, Mr. Tonkin, who is so careful always in providing documents and evidence, doesn’t present any to prove such kind of assertions. The reality is that, in Arakan, simply saying “I am Rohingya” might land people in jail or get them receiving a really hard beating from the security forces. But Mr. Tonkin seems to be adamant to put the blame on the victims for their plight, not on the real perpetrators.
I don’t really know what is an ethnic group “created artificially”, is that there are “natural” ethnic groups? Ethnic groups, nations, and so on, as any human community (or virtually any human phenomena, for that matter) are never “natural.” Remember that famous sentence uttered by a Nineteenth Century Italian nationalist: “We have made Italy, now we have to make Italians,” Mr. Tonkin?
I will try to be fair and will assume that Mr. Tonkin did not talk about “Bengali DNA” seriously or literally.
Mr. Tonkin would like us to believe that the problem comes from the fact that the Rohingya are trying to “de-Indianize” their origins. That is the playing field in Burma and the rules of the game: it’s perfectly understandable that the context of the hegemonic, and highly narrow, notion of “national races” as the only bona fide citizens of the country has pushed the Rohingya on that direction. And this notion has really been fostered from above, by the military regime, and has taken even the form of the law regulating who is entitled to citizenship (which Mr Tonkin seems to endorse or at least he refuses to challenge because “the law of each state primarily determines who are its nationals,” a most circular and meaningless argument). It takes either a lot of naivety or bad faith to believe that the Rohingya are responsible of their fate because of whatever historical mistakes they can make in their attempt to be recognized as citizens in their country on the basis of a set of criteria seemingly designed to exclude them. But, again, Mr. Tonkin has chosen to put the blame on the victims.
The forthcoming Bangkok Oxford and Cambridge dinner’s Chairperson is Khun Anik Amranand, its VIP guest Anand Panyarachun, its special guest Prida Tiasuwan (no kidding described as a “social activist”) and the toast proposer to absent friends M.R Chatumongkol Sonakul.The invitation states that “true to the fasion for Reform in Thailand this year the costs will be distributed in a fair manner” so that only those that consume wine pay for it.
Somehow one doubts that the liberal and civilised values of the great English universities will be much on display that night.Let’s hope I’m wrong for I will be there and will report back to NM if I hear anything outrageous!
ASSK did look prettier than her father did in a Kachin dress, but yes, she blew it. The minorities are now more likely to vote for their own parties than for the NLD.
The likelihood of a trade off between Articles 59(f) which bars the Lady from the top job and 436 which remains sacrosanct, just like the trade off between Myitsone and Shwe Gas, may be envisaged. Pushing for PR is another string on their bow. And there’s always the preparedness to shoot to kill.
We shall see as the time for elections draw closer who will blink first, and who will be caught on the hop yet again.
But does the principle apply in all circumstances? What if an ethnic group has been created artificially, the name concocted after a series of debates, an impoverished, persecuted population pressurized into conformity, children dragooned to chant “Rohingya! Rohingya! Rohingya!” at visiting UN representatives? This is no solution to their predicament. They need genuine and serious support, not just clever words from a well-funded international lobby
Independent scholars of Burma/Myanmar are generally agreed that Bengali Muslims are not ethnic to Myanmar and the name of “Rohingya” was only invented after the Second World War when the current Rakhine state became a scene of operations for Mujahideen, the predecessor to the current Islamic Rohingya Terrorists. Neither is there an ethnic “Rohingya” in neighboring Bangladesh where the Bengali Muslims migrated from.
Carlos correctly stated that “the Muslims were armed by the British” during WWII to fight the Japanese. As the British suddenly retreated – the Bengali Muslims quickly used the weapons – not against the Japanese -but they used them to slaughter thousands and thousands of Buddhists and burned down all of the Buddhist villages, pagodas, temples and monasteries in the Maungdaw and Buthidaung areas. About 30,000 Rakhine Buddhist were killed in this absolute genocide, hundreds of villages were burned down, and around 100,000 Rakhine Buddhists were ethnically cleansed from their ancestral lands. By late 1942 the whole Maungdaw-Buthidaung region was firmly in the hands of Bengali Muslims – who were now well armed with abandoned Japanese and British weapons.
Another migration of Bengali Muslims occurred when during the struggle of Bangladesh independence from Pakistan in 1970. During the war of Bangladesh independence, Pakistani army committed genocide on their fellow muslims and their sympathizers from Bangladesh; 300,000 were killed, 300,000 women were raped and 10 million became refugees in neighboring countries including Myanmar. Rakhine and the people of Myanmar hosted these refugees without any international assistance. Let no one accuse Rakhine for lack of compassion.
As far back as 1975, the then Bangladesh Ambassador to Myanmar Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted “there were upward of 1/2 million Bangalee (Bangladeshi) trespassers in Arakan (Rakhine state) whom the Burmese (Myanmar) had some right to eject. “He had implored the Burmese authorities not to press this issue during Bangladesh’s present troubles [COUP of August and November 1975] and had been pleased that the Burmese had not taken advantage of his country’s misfortune in this respect.”
As in other countries, the Muslims of Myanmar have engaged in violence, jihadi terror, and rape of Buddhist girls. And that’s as a minority. Myanmar’s Buddhist are also cognizant that, in neighboring nations like Bangladesh where Muslims are the majority, all non-Muslims are being ruthlessly persecuted into extinction. But even in bordering Thailand, where Buddhists are the majority and Muslims a minority, in the south where Muslims make for large numbers, thousands of Buddhists-men, women, and children-have been slaughtered, beheaded, and raped, as separatist Muslims try to cleanse the region of all “infidel” presence.
The above report by Carlos was prepared to provide cover for jihadi terror by the muslims. In fact, numerous reports from neighboring Bangladesh revealed a the world wide conspiracy to establish a Sharia state within the eastern province in Bangladesh and the entire Rakhine state in Myanmar. Captured terrorists revealed that a foreign intelligence agency as instigating a number of terrorist outfits to stand together by the side of Myanmar muslims to establish a new country “Independent Newrosia”. It was revealed that the conspiracy to create independent “Newrosia” state is getting fullest support from the Muslim population in Arakan province in Myanmar, as well as some of the Muslim nations in the world. Click on the link below for one of the reports.
The Government of Bangladesh has reported the Rohingya Solidarity Organization with links to Al Qaeda and Taliban are training in the Myanmar – Bangladesh border areas. The terrorists published stories and photos of killing many Buddhist monks in a Turkish media as their recruiting tool. Click on the link below: http://www.scribd.com/doc/214714603/Islamic-Rohingya-Terrorists-The-Al-Qaeda-Taliban-in-Myanmar
Many of these terrorists are now in Syria and Iraq fighting for ISIS. Undoubtedly, some of the battle hardened terrorists will return and take on the cause of jihadi terror against the “infidels”. Also. Al Qaeda has recently announced that it is setting up a new entity called Qaedat-al-Jihad for operations in India, Bangladesh, and MYANMAR.
Come on, plan B! Although I am from Burma too, I am extremely surprised at the level of chauvinism the people of Burma display. You guys naively believe that Bangladeshi Muslims are dying to infiltrate into Rakhine because Rakhine and Myanmar are so rich and great and hospitable! What a joke! Poor Muslims from Bangladesh would draw out Bangladeshi passports and work abroad. Why would they infiltrate into the second poorest or poorest state in Myanmar which is again a very poor country and live under oppression? Be logical! We have to be logical and practical! Don’t think Myanmar is way better than Bangladesh! Read the comparative socioeconomic figures of the two countries! You’ll know which is hell! And don’t even think of comparing India and Myanmar. India is a rising superpower and we a declining hell!
Salt instead of Ngapi is of course as Indian in food culture as drinking alcohol never is with the Buddhist Rakhine and Bamar. Thick daal is also Indian whereas Burmese eat it soupy not gloopy.
Just love the way the author gives “fair and equal treatment” to all ethnic groups, Bamar as well as the rest, simply ignoring the struggle for supremacy among the four major groups of Bamar, Mon, Shan and Rakhine throughout history with the three Burmese regional land empires of Bagan, Taungoo and finally Konbaung which was brought to an end by the British.
Natural boundaries of rivers and mountain ranges may not seem as final as a coast line, and the fact that these were breached more easily determined the fluidity of such boundaries.
Both the Kokang Chinese enclave in the east on the China border and the Indian one in the west next to East Bengal were either recognised or created by the colonial rulers whatever the composition of the area might have been previously. The difference in both religion and physical characteristics of the Indian Muslim enclave with its aggression and territorial ambitions inevitably marked it out as a cancerous lesion in the body politic.
Since we are where we are, an amicable solution for the problem at hand is highly desirable. Unfortunately neither side has the inclination to “back off” from the ingrained mistrust of the other. No prizes for guessing which party is set to endure periodic and violent backlashes given the intransigence of both. The “Rohingya leaders” have so far wisely evaded the Sri Lankan solution the Burmese generals would have preferred although Al Qaeda seems willing to walk into that trap.
The world largest Democracy,India has the most stringent policy,of Bangladeshi, coming without any legal paper, are summarily shot if caught crossing illegally in to India.
tocharian
Is India motivated by racism too?
Play the race card one too often in the west you might get some leverage no such luck in Myanmar, China or India.
Perhaps.
A city-state like Singapore is more of an anomaly and as we all know, Singapore was a British naval base established at a Chinese trading enclave in a non-Chinese surrounding and as I explained above Singapore’s wealth is not as “clean” as their glitzy exterior. To think of Singapore as a role model for Southeast Asia is an oxymoron. I hope Singaporeans would stop being so smug and arrogant (stop judging people based on money and skin colour) and realise how “lucky” they were to have profited from accidental geo-political circumstances, especially the rampant corruption and lawlessness in the surrounding countries. Money does not give you moral superiority and soft power needs an ethical dimension that Singapore lacks. What’s the point i of being so strict on small scale drug users if the banks were laundering money from big time opium war-lords like Lo Hsinghan? Hypocrisy is even worse than being “honestly evil” LOL
To Derek Tonkin, you seemed dear racist sir, very happy to write against the Rohingya. If you are dare enough to compete on Rohingya history, you can visit the site Burma Times as well as you can call for a swift official challenge WITH WORLDWIDE Rohingya. The most distinguishable object which transparently differentiates between Rohingya and other ethnic groups is culture of Rohingya people. The style of ethnic Rohingya in eating and drinking is distinguished from Bengalees, ethnic Rakhines and Burmese. The dal(pulse) cooking style of ethnic Rohingya is concentrated and of Bengalee is diluted. Amidst having regular meal, both ethnic Rakhine and Burmese used to consume alcohol and fish paste (Ngaa pee) while ethnic Rohingya used to consumes salt as taking salt in the beginning of having food is the tradition of Muslims. However, the ethnic Burmese and Rakhine … persistently deny the existence of Rohingya in Arakan despite concrete historical facts which prove that Rohingya settled themselves there since advent of ethnic Burmese.
And I know why you say Rohingya must be registered as Bengali because they are Muslim, wear hijab, are bearded, etc. Interesting theory by Mr Derek Tonkin! And I am surprised that you claim to solve the conflict in Rakhine. How are you solving it? How can your solutions be unbiased and helpful when you are a biological racist? This news is very interesting. http://www.thedailystar.net/protect-indigenous-rakhines-42955. Some Bangladeshis are protecting their Rakhine indigenous citizens while the whole people of Myanmar are rejecting Rohingya. I feel very sorry for the loss of rights of those hundreds of thousands of Rakhines in Bangladesh. But I am at the same time wondering where they have gone in these few decades! They must have fled to Rakhine, welcomed with incentives (land, houses, NRCs, etc.) by their Rakhine and Burmese Buddhist brethren. And Rakhines at the same time are clamoring that Rohingya invade Rakhine until now. What nonsense!
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Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Now see http://www.networkmyanmar.com/images/stories/PDF18/The-Mujahid-Rebellion-in-Arakan.pdf which opens up a whole new world about “Rwangya” which up to at least 1955 defined the ‘Arakan Mohamedans’ – their choice of designation and one which, for that very reason, I would wholeheartedly endorse. The “Rwangya” were seen as quite separate from the “Chittagonian Muslims” in Arakan.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Myo Chit
Really do not know which ‘Myo’ are you anyway definitely understand–
“Money talks BMW walks”
Money represent knowledge(Education), Accept (Economic) realities, Not selling BMW (Staying Healthy) etc.
Give me any instance of your self deprecating examples of CHAUVINISM and I will give you PyinUlwin and Maulamyain to prove you wrong.
Do not encourage westerner who conveniently pontificate over HR principles to make their point w/o knowing the facts on the ground in Myanmar.
Last of all but the least is
“To be uniquely different for the good of all wherever one may be” THE sure remedy to any of your and other BMW including being Kalars, Tayoke, Bamar or any race.
Watch the border…
I don’t think Hun Sen is going to put much pressure on the border, until he sees the now rapidly growing Isaarn-Lanna separatist movement start to put real pressure against the current Bangkok regime.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
In this case “self-identity” that rests on aggressively assertive “self-determination” that in turn rested on ethnic cleansing of the northern Rakhine population during WW2.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Don’t get side tracked by the debate of Rohingya…there’s really nothing to debate, this is a fabricated terminology to hide the underlining issues we have in Burma today. Which is call Islamization of South Asia. The radical of Islam are the very culprits behind all these conflicts and issues…just like they are the culprits in the Middle East, Israel, Africa, Europe, Paris, Thailand, USA, etc., Very simple the insertion of Islam into the political arena with the intent to destroy infidels as stated in their doctrines.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
The name ‘rohingya’ is not only used by the Bengalis but also by the Chakmas. And it means an inhabitant of Rakhine, or a
Rakhine, which again is also called as Mog or Mag. The subtle difference is more prominent when the Chakmas say Rohingya Mog, Tripura Mog, meaning a Rakhine living in Burma, and another in Tripura State, India. Again Rohingya Bangal is the term for a Bengali Muslim in Rakhine state. Is there any racist remark here? A minority right can never be considered legal when they manipulate their identity to demand other’s territory. Should the Rakhine kings were Muslims, where are the elaborate tombs and mausoleums? Rather we only see great Buddhist temples and pagodas, some of which houses the relics of those Buddhist kings.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
I just find outrageous the claims made often by Mr. Tonkin that the Rohingya identity has been enforced on the Arakanese Muslim population. Of course, Mr. Tonkin, who is so careful always in providing documents and evidence, doesn’t present any to prove such kind of assertions. The reality is that, in Arakan, simply saying “I am Rohingya” might land people in jail or get them receiving a really hard beating from the security forces. But Mr. Tonkin seems to be adamant to put the blame on the victims for their plight, not on the real perpetrators.
I don’t really know what is an ethnic group “created artificially”, is that there are “natural” ethnic groups? Ethnic groups, nations, and so on, as any human community (or virtually any human phenomena, for that matter) are never “natural.” Remember that famous sentence uttered by a Nineteenth Century Italian nationalist: “We have made Italy, now we have to make Italians,” Mr. Tonkin?
I will try to be fair and will assume that Mr. Tonkin did not talk about “Bengali DNA” seriously or literally.
Mr. Tonkin would like us to believe that the problem comes from the fact that the Rohingya are trying to “de-Indianize” their origins. That is the playing field in Burma and the rules of the game: it’s perfectly understandable that the context of the hegemonic, and highly narrow, notion of “national races” as the only bona fide citizens of the country has pushed the Rohingya on that direction. And this notion has really been fostered from above, by the military regime, and has taken even the form of the law regulating who is entitled to citizenship (which Mr Tonkin seems to endorse or at least he refuses to challenge because “the law of each state primarily determines who are its nationals,” a most circular and meaningless argument). It takes either a lot of naivety or bad faith to believe that the Rohingya are responsible of their fate because of whatever historical mistakes they can make in their attempt to be recognized as citizens in their country on the basis of a set of criteria seemingly designed to exclude them. But, again, Mr. Tonkin has chosen to put the blame on the victims.
Law and irony in Thailand
The forthcoming Bangkok Oxford and Cambridge dinner’s Chairperson is Khun Anik Amranand, its VIP guest Anand Panyarachun, its special guest Prida Tiasuwan (no kidding described as a “social activist”) and the toast proposer to absent friends M.R Chatumongkol Sonakul.The invitation states that “true to the fasion for Reform in Thailand this year the costs will be distributed in a fair manner” so that only those that consume wine pay for it.
Somehow one doubts that the liberal and civilised values of the great English universities will be much on display that night.Let’s hope I’m wrong for I will be there and will report back to NM if I hear anything outrageous!
Singapore Grand Prix and soft power
Wishful. Not in a hundred years.
Game over for Aung San Suu Kyi?
ASSK did look prettier than her father did in a Kachin dress, but yes, she blew it. The minorities are now more likely to vote for their own parties than for the NLD.
The likelihood of a trade off between Articles 59(f) which bars the Lady from the top job and 436 which remains sacrosanct, just like the trade off between Myitsone and Shwe Gas, may be envisaged. Pushing for PR is another string on their bow. And there’s always the preparedness to shoot to kill.
We shall see as the time for elections draw closer who will blink first, and who will be caught on the hop yet again.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
But does the principle apply in all circumstances? What if an ethnic group has been created artificially, the name concocted after a series of debates, an impoverished, persecuted population pressurized into conformity, children dragooned to chant “Rohingya! Rohingya! Rohingya!” at visiting UN representatives? This is no solution to their predicament. They need genuine and serious support, not just clever words from a well-funded international lobby
Law and irony in Thailand
Why bother with the word “Law” when it is lawlessness. How about “rule by Force”
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Independent scholars of Burma/Myanmar are generally agreed that Bengali Muslims are not ethnic to Myanmar and the name of “Rohingya” was only invented after the Second World War when the current Rakhine state became a scene of operations for Mujahideen, the predecessor to the current Islamic Rohingya Terrorists. Neither is there an ethnic “Rohingya” in neighboring Bangladesh where the Bengali Muslims migrated from.
Carlos correctly stated that “the Muslims were armed by the British” during WWII to fight the Japanese. As the British suddenly retreated – the Bengali Muslims quickly used the weapons – not against the Japanese -but they used them to slaughter thousands and thousands of Buddhists and burned down all of the Buddhist villages, pagodas, temples and monasteries in the Maungdaw and Buthidaung areas. About 30,000 Rakhine Buddhist were killed in this absolute genocide, hundreds of villages were burned down, and around 100,000 Rakhine Buddhists were ethnically cleansed from their ancestral lands. By late 1942 the whole Maungdaw-Buthidaung region was firmly in the hands of Bengali Muslims – who were now well armed with abandoned Japanese and British weapons.
Another migration of Bengali Muslims occurred when during the struggle of Bangladesh independence from Pakistan in 1970. During the war of Bangladesh independence, Pakistani army committed genocide on their fellow muslims and their sympathizers from Bangladesh; 300,000 were killed, 300,000 women were raped and 10 million became refugees in neighboring countries including Myanmar. Rakhine and the people of Myanmar hosted these refugees without any international assistance. Let no one accuse Rakhine for lack of compassion.
As far back as 1975, the then Bangladesh Ambassador to Myanmar Khwaja Mohammed Kaiser admitted “there were upward of 1/2 million Bangalee (Bangladeshi) trespassers in Arakan (Rakhine state) whom the Burmese (Myanmar) had some right to eject. “He had implored the Burmese authorities not to press this issue during Bangladesh’s present troubles [COUP of August and November 1975] and had been pleased that the Burmese had not taken advantage of his country’s misfortune in this respect.”
As in other countries, the Muslims of Myanmar have engaged in violence, jihadi terror, and rape of Buddhist girls. And that’s as a minority. Myanmar’s Buddhist are also cognizant that, in neighboring nations like Bangladesh where Muslims are the majority, all non-Muslims are being ruthlessly persecuted into extinction. But even in bordering Thailand, where Buddhists are the majority and Muslims a minority, in the south where Muslims make for large numbers, thousands of Buddhists-men, women, and children-have been slaughtered, beheaded, and raped, as separatist Muslims try to cleanse the region of all “infidel” presence.
The above report by Carlos was prepared to provide cover for jihadi terror by the muslims. In fact, numerous reports from neighboring Bangladesh revealed a the world wide conspiracy to establish a Sharia state within the eastern province in Bangladesh and the entire Rakhine state in Myanmar. Captured terrorists revealed that a foreign intelligence agency as instigating a number of terrorist outfits to stand together by the side of Myanmar muslims to establish a new country “Independent Newrosia”. It was revealed that the conspiracy to create independent “Newrosia” state is getting fullest support from the Muslim population in Arakan province in Myanmar, as well as some of the Muslim nations in the world. Click on the link below for one of the reports.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/122185703/CONSPIRACY-OF-TERRORISTS-TO-CREATE-AN-INDEPENDENT-STATE-OUT-OF-ARAKAN-RAKHINE-STATE-IN-MYANMAR-AND-SOME-DISTRICTS-OF-BANGLADESH
The Government of Bangladesh has reported the Rohingya Solidarity Organization with links to Al Qaeda and Taliban are training in the Myanmar – Bangladesh border areas. The terrorists published stories and photos of killing many Buddhist monks in a Turkish media as their recruiting tool. Click on the link below:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/214714603/Islamic-Rohingya-Terrorists-The-Al-Qaeda-Taliban-in-Myanmar
Many of these terrorists are now in Syria and Iraq fighting for ISIS. Undoubtedly, some of the battle hardened terrorists will return and take on the cause of jihadi terror against the “infidels”. Also. Al Qaeda has recently announced that it is setting up a new entity called Qaedat-al-Jihad for operations in India, Bangladesh, and MYANMAR.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Come on, plan B! Although I am from Burma too, I am extremely surprised at the level of chauvinism the people of Burma display. You guys naively believe that Bangladeshi Muslims are dying to infiltrate into Rakhine because Rakhine and Myanmar are so rich and great and hospitable! What a joke! Poor Muslims from Bangladesh would draw out Bangladeshi passports and work abroad. Why would they infiltrate into the second poorest or poorest state in Myanmar which is again a very poor country and live under oppression? Be logical! We have to be logical and practical! Don’t think Myanmar is way better than Bangladesh! Read the comparative socioeconomic figures of the two countries! You’ll know which is hell! And don’t even think of comparing India and Myanmar. India is a rising superpower and we a declining hell!
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Salt instead of Ngapi is of course as Indian in food culture as drinking alcohol never is with the Buddhist Rakhine and Bamar. Thick daal is also Indian whereas Burmese eat it soupy not gloopy.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Just love the way the author gives “fair and equal treatment” to all ethnic groups, Bamar as well as the rest, simply ignoring the struggle for supremacy among the four major groups of Bamar, Mon, Shan and Rakhine throughout history with the three Burmese regional land empires of Bagan, Taungoo and finally Konbaung which was brought to an end by the British.
Natural boundaries of rivers and mountain ranges may not seem as final as a coast line, and the fact that these were breached more easily determined the fluidity of such boundaries.
Both the Kokang Chinese enclave in the east on the China border and the Indian one in the west next to East Bengal were either recognised or created by the colonial rulers whatever the composition of the area might have been previously. The difference in both religion and physical characteristics of the Indian Muslim enclave with its aggression and territorial ambitions inevitably marked it out as a cancerous lesion in the body politic.
Since we are where we are, an amicable solution for the problem at hand is highly desirable. Unfortunately neither side has the inclination to “back off” from the ingrained mistrust of the other. No prizes for guessing which party is set to endure periodic and violent backlashes given the intransigence of both. The “Rohingya leaders” have so far wisely evaded the Sri Lankan solution the Burmese generals would have preferred although Al Qaeda seems willing to walk into that trap.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
The world largest Democracy,India has the most stringent policy,of Bangladeshi, coming without any legal paper, are summarily shot if caught crossing illegally in to India.
tocharian
Is India motivated by racism too?
Play the race card one too often in the west you might get some leverage no such luck in Myanmar, China or India.
Singapore Grand Prix and soft power
Perhaps.
A city-state like Singapore is more of an anomaly and as we all know, Singapore was a British naval base established at a Chinese trading enclave in a non-Chinese surrounding and as I explained above Singapore’s wealth is not as “clean” as their glitzy exterior. To think of Singapore as a role model for Southeast Asia is an oxymoron. I hope Singaporeans would stop being so smug and arrogant (stop judging people based on money and skin colour) and realise how “lucky” they were to have profited from accidental geo-political circumstances, especially the rampant corruption and lawlessness in the surrounding countries. Money does not give you moral superiority and soft power needs an ethical dimension that Singapore lacks. What’s the point i of being so strict on small scale drug users if the banks were laundering money from big time opium war-lords like Lo Hsinghan? Hypocrisy is even worse than being “honestly evil” LOL
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
To Derek Tonkin, you seemed dear racist sir, very happy to write against the Rohingya. If you are dare enough to compete on Rohingya history, you can visit the site Burma Times as well as you can call for a swift official challenge WITH WORLDWIDE Rohingya. The most distinguishable object which transparently differentiates between Rohingya and other ethnic groups is culture of Rohingya people. The style of ethnic Rohingya in eating and drinking is distinguished from Bengalees, ethnic Rakhines and Burmese. The dal(pulse) cooking style of ethnic Rohingya is concentrated and of Bengalee is diluted. Amidst having regular meal, both ethnic Rakhine and Burmese used to consume alcohol and fish paste (Ngaa pee) while ethnic Rohingya used to consumes salt as taking salt in the beginning of having food is the tradition of Muslims. However, the ethnic Burmese and Rakhine … persistently deny the existence of Rohingya in Arakan despite concrete historical facts which prove that Rohingya settled themselves there since advent of ethnic Burmese.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
And I know why you say Rohingya must be registered as Bengali because they are Muslim, wear hijab, are bearded, etc. Interesting theory by Mr Derek Tonkin! And I am surprised that you claim to solve the conflict in Rakhine. How are you solving it? How can your solutions be unbiased and helpful when you are a biological racist? This news is very interesting. http://www.thedailystar.net/protect-indigenous-rakhines-42955. Some Bangladeshis are protecting their Rakhine indigenous citizens while the whole people of Myanmar are rejecting Rohingya. I feel very sorry for the loss of rights of those hundreds of thousands of Rakhines in Bangladesh. But I am at the same time wondering where they have gone in these few decades! They must have fled to Rakhine, welcomed with incentives (land, houses, NRCs, etc.) by their Rakhine and Burmese Buddhist brethren. And Rakhines at the same time are clamoring that Rohingya invade Rakhine until now. What nonsense!