So funny.. Full with master of conspiracy theory hahahaha.. You all dreaming it son..
Just logic and trust with election department.. Or you make own election in another republic..
Finally, a coherent and rational argument! I applaud you, Agus. LSI, CSIS Indonesia / Cyrus Network, Indikator and SMRC are all led by advisors to the Jokowi camp. I’m not saying I’m for Prabowo (and frankly it doesn’t matter, as I cannot vote) but we do need to look at all sides of the proverbial dice.
Do you honestly think that Megawati (with the backing of Riyadi, Wiranto, etc, etc.) is above the typical Indonesian tactics to sway the tide in their favor?
Both sides are capable and culpable… stop kidding yourselves.
Title: the term “President Jokowi” – According to who? Some can claim there is also President Prabowo. So who is what according to whom? In a way, the title alone tends to shape opinion. If the article was intended as a comparison study; why not President Jokowi vs President Prabowo?Or (what ever style Jokowi might be) vs Oligarchy? Seriously, does Indonesian KPU mean nothing at all? First Paragraph: “It now seems fairly certain that Joko Widodo has won the 2014 Presidential elections in Indonesia although his rival, Prabowo Subianto, has so far rejected the results of the early exit polls.” If it is based on quick counts or exit polls or whatever, Prabowo does have the right to object (the word ‘reject’ seems too harsh) as there are other quick counts/ exit polls showing that he is leading. Both have the same right to claim victory, is it not? It is simply a matter of perspective. In addition, wouldn’t it be much better to also include the name of each of the institutions responsible for the quick counts/ exit polls as well as a reference point? Nevertheless, it is back to the very basic of it. Those results are NOT official real count to be able to address any of the candidates as a President, are they not? If you do not already know; I concede that “How to Lie with Statistics” by Darrell Huff (First published in 1954) is rather old but still is a valid good read. To emphasize my point again, the quality of output of any statistical study is pretty much depending on the quality of the input. Hence, the ‘flavour’ of the output can also be manipulated. Whilst it is often also used in politics; one should looked at sampling methods of Quick Counts/Exit Polls to determine the quality of the statistics – especially in cases where it carries a greater risk (in this case, it may affect the stability of a nation). If it is of any interest; another example of different standard of countings resulting in election dispute also happened in the US in 2000 – although it should be noted that it is not an apple to apple comparison with the case in Indonesian Presidential Election. PS: Couldn’t find the book “How to Comment Constructively 101”. If I do, I’ll make sure I get two as it seems you also need one. 🙂
I keep the tabs for those links open in my computer so I can check from time to time. Downloaded the scanned C1 forms for my province too… Still don’t know what to do with it. I should probably upload it somewhere? Thanks!
And just to confirm how Corrupt Prabowo Governance could be, they formed Permanent Coalition (Consist of the Big Parties that Backs Prabowo) and revoke UU MD3 Constitution just right before the Election 9 July which states:
1. Anggota DPR tidak bisa diperiksa KPK tanpa ijin Presiden (Mempersulit proses hukum)
1. Member of House of Reps can not be reviewed by KPK (Corruption Eradication Unit) without the permission of President.
2. Partai dengan suara terbanyak tidak otomatis menjadi ketua DPR melainkan dengan pemungutan suara (Menguntungkan koalisi permanen)
2. The winner Party of Legislative Election will not be automatically become the Chief of House of Reps (DPR).
3. Koalisi permanen akan punya hak penuh untuk menolak atau menerima UU apapun. (Menjegal kebijakan Presiden)
3. The Permanent Coalition has full rights to Accept or Reject any Constitution.
4. Untuk setiap UU dan proyek yang diajukan mereka berhak menerima “dana aspirasi”. (Melegalkan gratifikasi)
4. For any New Appealed Constitution or Project, they have the right to receive any gratification.
Asing juga punya pandangan sendiri, artikel ini jelaslah bukan provokasi. Ancaman yang nyata adalah dari dalam negeri, propaganda yang jelas-jelas dilakukan oleh kelompok atau golongan dari bangsa kita bro. Negara yang bodoh adalah negara yang tak mampu membendung, menindak propaganda dalam negeri yang mengancam perpecahan bangsa.
I was confused because I saw the information on twitter first. The info at the time was that Pol Tracking office was attacked. I should have been more careful. Thanks!
Lembaga Survei Nasional, one of the Prabowo leaning organizations has this on their website:
Seandainya pemilihan presiden dilakukan hari ini, siapakah capres – cawapres di bawah ini yang akan anda pilih ?
Select Poll
Seandainya pemilihan presiden dilakukan hari ini, siapakah capres – cawapres di bawah ini yang akan anda pilih ?
Joko Widodo – Jusuf Kalla
2742 74.7%
Prabowo – Jatta Rajasa
928 25.3%
Number of Voters : 3670
First Vote : Thursday, 03 July 2014 08:11
Last Vote : Friday, 11 July 2014 07:16
Have you read about UU MD3 yet? You will see what kind of country, prabowo and his coalition is trying to make with that law their coalition passsed through just the night before pilpres. If that law don’t change your mind on what his coalition’s intention are, nothing will.
Don’t even try to say that prabowo don’t control what his party is doing. This law was passed with the support of his party. There are only two explanation for this action, he is power hungry, or he is such an incompetent leader that he has no knowledge of what his party is doing in congress. Either possibilities point to hard time ahead for indonesia.
Action speaks louder than words. His speech maybe sweeter than honey, but his actions are more than poisonous, it’s actually radioactive. If this law stays, say goodbye to any corruption eradication attempt.
UU MD3 basically gave unlimited “get out of jail” card to dpr members that are protected by the president. How insane can this law get? It is not limited to corruption, you will literally be able to get away with murder and rape too.
P.S. I don’t think Jokowi is perfect, but compared to what the prabowo and his aliies are doing, he might as well be.
FYI, please read all the articles and comprehend each words written on it. The article specified correctly “seems fairly certain” rather than “absolutely” or “certainly” , there is a reason why the word is used differently. The same paragraph has also mentioned that according to EARLY EXIT POLL.
The article is writing about what are the problems Jokowi will faced if he becomes President.
Your comment is totally out of context to the real body of this article, do you stop reading after first sentence? Maybe you would benefit from “How to read 101”.
What exactly is your problem of the first paragraph, so much so that you had to type in FULL CAP? Is your problem with the use of the term exit poll? What sort of problem do you have with the use of the term? Were the authors wrong to use the term? How so?
Are you questioning the validity of the existing quick counts that suggest a Jokowi-JK win (that they are lying?) Or are you rejecting quick count altogether? Why?
I am deeply concerned with the quality of some of the comments here in New Mandala. Maybe you should reread “How to Comment Constructively 101″before accusing the contributors of producing rubbish and lies?
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Prabowo’s game plan
So funny.. Full with master of conspiracy theory hahahaha.. You all dreaming it son..
Just logic and trust with election department.. Or you make own election in another republic..
Prabowo’s game plan
Finally, a coherent and rational argument! I applaud you, Agus. LSI, CSIS Indonesia / Cyrus Network, Indikator and SMRC are all led by advisors to the Jokowi camp. I’m not saying I’m for Prabowo (and frankly it doesn’t matter, as I cannot vote) but we do need to look at all sides of the proverbial dice.
Do you honestly think that Megawati (with the backing of Riyadi, Wiranto, etc, etc.) is above the typical Indonesian tactics to sway the tide in their favor?
Both sides are capable and culpable… stop kidding yourselves.
President Jokowi vs Oligarchy
I did read the lot. Thank you. 🙂 Which makes it very interesting indeed when one refers back to the title and the opening paragraph of the article.
Prabowo’s game plan
May I ask for what agency and for what purpose is this data collected? Is this from independent volunteers? It didn’t say anything in the google docs.
I would very much like to help, but I am wary of the purpose of this.
President Jokowi vs Oligarchy
Title: the term “President Jokowi” – According to who? Some can claim there is also President Prabowo. So who is what according to whom? In a way, the title alone tends to shape opinion. If the article was intended as a comparison study; why not President Jokowi vs President Prabowo?Or (what ever style Jokowi might be) vs Oligarchy? Seriously, does Indonesian KPU mean nothing at all? First Paragraph: “It now seems fairly certain that Joko Widodo has won the 2014 Presidential elections in Indonesia although his rival, Prabowo Subianto, has so far rejected the results of the early exit polls.” If it is based on quick counts or exit polls or whatever, Prabowo does have the right to object (the word ‘reject’ seems too harsh) as there are other quick counts/ exit polls showing that he is leading. Both have the same right to claim victory, is it not? It is simply a matter of perspective. In addition, wouldn’t it be much better to also include the name of each of the institutions responsible for the quick counts/ exit polls as well as a reference point? Nevertheless, it is back to the very basic of it. Those results are NOT official real count to be able to address any of the candidates as a President, are they not? If you do not already know; I concede that “How to Lie with Statistics” by Darrell Huff (First published in 1954) is rather old but still is a valid good read. To emphasize my point again, the quality of output of any statistical study is pretty much depending on the quality of the input. Hence, the ‘flavour’ of the output can also be manipulated. Whilst it is often also used in politics; one should looked at sampling methods of Quick Counts/Exit Polls to determine the quality of the statistics – especially in cases where it carries a greater risk (in this case, it may affect the stability of a nation). If it is of any interest; another example of different standard of countings resulting in election dispute also happened in the US in 2000 – although it should be noted that it is not an apple to apple comparison with the case in Indonesian Presidential Election. PS: Couldn’t find the book “How to Comment Constructively 101”. If I do, I’ll make sure I get two as it seems you also need one. 🙂
Prabowo’s game plan
Thanks so much for the links, Ibu Pandu…
I keep the tabs for those links open in my computer so I can check from time to time. Downloaded the scanned C1 forms for my province too… Still don’t know what to do with it. I should probably upload it somewhere? Thanks!
Prabowo’s game plan
so true .. the body language couldnt lie 🙂
Prabowo’s game plan
Udh lah, ga ush ditanggapi, all ANU has been doing the entire election is spouting tendentious garbage.
Prabowo’s game plan
And just to confirm how Corrupt Prabowo Governance could be, they formed Permanent Coalition (Consist of the Big Parties that Backs Prabowo) and revoke UU MD3 Constitution just right before the Election 9 July which states:
1. Anggota DPR tidak bisa diperiksa KPK tanpa ijin Presiden (Mempersulit proses hukum)
1. Member of House of Reps can not be reviewed by KPK (Corruption Eradication Unit) without the permission of President.
2. Partai dengan suara terbanyak tidak otomatis menjadi ketua DPR melainkan dengan pemungutan suara (Menguntungkan koalisi permanen)
2. The winner Party of Legislative Election will not be automatically become the Chief of House of Reps (DPR).
3. Koalisi permanen akan punya hak penuh untuk menolak atau menerima UU apapun. (Menjegal kebijakan Presiden)
3. The Permanent Coalition has full rights to Accept or Reject any Constitution.
4. Untuk setiap UU dan proyek yang diajukan mereka berhak menerima “dana aspirasi”. (Melegalkan gratifikasi)
4. For any New Appealed Constitution or Project, they have the right to receive any gratification.
Prabowo’s game plan
Asing juga punya pandangan sendiri, artikel ini jelaslah bukan provokasi. Ancaman yang nyata adalah dari dalam negeri, propaganda yang jelas-jelas dilakukan oleh kelompok atau golongan dari bangsa kita bro. Negara yang bodoh adalah negara yang tak mampu membendung, menindak propaganda dalam negeri yang mengancam perpecahan bangsa.
So, semoga Anda paham.
Prabowo’s game plan
Yes, indeed. I think it will better to translate into Indonesia, more Indonesian will understand this article and see your point of view.
Prabowo’s game plan
Thanks for the correction. Blackpearl. You are right
http://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2014/07/11/13040951/Polda.Telusuri.Motif.Pelemparan.Bom.Molotov.di.Kantor.Lembaga.Survei.JSI?utm_source=WP&utm_medium=box&utm_campaign=Khlwp
I was confused because I saw the information on twitter first. The info at the time was that Pol Tracking office was attacked. I should have been more careful. Thanks!
Prabowo’s game plan
they should wait till the final count…come on!!!! do not be stupid….
Prabowo’s game plan
Lembaga Survei Nasional, one of the Prabowo leaning organizations has this on their website:
Seandainya pemilihan presiden dilakukan hari ini, siapakah capres – cawapres di bawah ini yang akan anda pilih ?
Select Poll
Seandainya pemilihan presiden dilakukan hari ini, siapakah capres – cawapres di bawah ini yang akan anda pilih ?
Joko Widodo – Jusuf Kalla
2742 74.7%
Prabowo – Jatta Rajasa
928 25.3%
Number of Voters : 3670
First Vote : Thursday, 03 July 2014 08:11
Last Vote : Friday, 11 July 2014 07:16
Prabowo’s game plan
The news said it’s the JSI office that got attacked with a Molotov cocktail.
Are the pol tracking and JSI the same, then? Their quick count results are different, so I reckon they are not the same…
Prabowo’s game plan
HAHAHAHAHA you damn right!!
Prabowo’s game plan
Have you read about UU MD3 yet? You will see what kind of country, prabowo and his coalition is trying to make with that law their coalition passsed through just the night before pilpres. If that law don’t change your mind on what his coalition’s intention are, nothing will.
Don’t even try to say that prabowo don’t control what his party is doing. This law was passed with the support of his party. There are only two explanation for this action, he is power hungry, or he is such an incompetent leader that he has no knowledge of what his party is doing in congress. Either possibilities point to hard time ahead for indonesia.
Action speaks louder than words. His speech maybe sweeter than honey, but his actions are more than poisonous, it’s actually radioactive. If this law stays, say goodbye to any corruption eradication attempt.
UU MD3 basically gave unlimited “get out of jail” card to dpr members that are protected by the president. How insane can this law get? It is not limited to corruption, you will literally be able to get away with murder and rape too.
P.S. I don’t think Jokowi is perfect, but compared to what the prabowo and his aliies are doing, he might as well be.
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President Jokowi vs Oligarchy
FYI, please read all the articles and comprehend each words written on it. The article specified correctly “seems fairly certain” rather than “absolutely” or “certainly” , there is a reason why the word is used differently. The same paragraph has also mentioned that according to EARLY EXIT POLL.
The article is writing about what are the problems Jokowi will faced if he becomes President.
Your comment is totally out of context to the real body of this article, do you stop reading after first sentence? Maybe you would benefit from “How to read 101”.
President Jokowi vs Oligarchy
What exactly is your problem of the first paragraph, so much so that you had to type in FULL CAP? Is your problem with the use of the term exit poll? What sort of problem do you have with the use of the term? Were the authors wrong to use the term? How so?
Are you questioning the validity of the existing quick counts that suggest a Jokowi-JK win (that they are lying?) Or are you rejecting quick count altogether? Why?
I am deeply concerned with the quality of some of the comments here in New Mandala. Maybe you should reread “How to Comment Constructively 101″before accusing the contributors of producing rubbish and lies?