Dear Edward Aspinal & Marcus Mietzner, what can be done by citizens to make sure the vote doesn’t get stolen? Please advice so I can share with my friends. Thank you, Lisa
hey guys there are millions of people vote for him and finally indonesia is determining his own future. no matter how the other countries opinion, it is part of democracy to repect other peoples choices.
I think what the writers failed to include here — should the plausible scenario of stealing the presidency is concerned — the possible participation of the incumbent president, who happens to have enjoined his entire political party to support Prabowo.
Are we to be so naive that influencing the results of the KPU and the Constitutional Court could occur without the active involvement of the sitting president?
i fully agree. i’d be interested to know the author’s opinions on one part of the game plan not addressed in the article: what does prabowo do if/when KPU announces that jokowi is the winner? he’s whipped up his followers into believing he’s won and his allied tv stations are still reporting that he’s won. does he accept the result or does he claim the election was stolen? does he appeal to MK or does he organize street protests?
Please be prepared that this condition might be prabowo’s team screnario where on the way to 22 July 2014, his team will steal and buy the unused vote papers to gain his victory. Even manipulated the computer system. Ever think of jokowi’s votes actually could be higher than what’s stated on the current quick count? With lesser difference between prabowo and jokowi’s result, it’ll be easier for the team to cheat the votes number. Well, it could be happened.
Prabowo and his camp has consistently applied the method: repeating the lies until it becomes the truth. We have seen this when they did the smear campaign against Jokowi. And it is of no surprise to see them declaring victory, based on what they believed to be their internal survey.
This, combined with the support from you-know-who (who have shown to be a masterful player at KPU), would make it possible for Prabowo’s camp to overturn the vote numbers. In the end, they will show that the their numbers is indeed the real number.
Prabowo has stated in the past that losing is not an option. Surely he won’t mind going against the people power – since this has been his end game, anyways.
You have to understand the context. These researchers come from western democratic background. When one candidate is quite clearly anti-democratic, do they have to praise him for that too?
At the risk of invoking Godwin… Should these analyst have said that Hitler was “just another equally good alternative for Germany” in the 1933 election?
Besides, this is not the press, which is required to “cover both sides” and stay at the center, even when that center swings left or right. This is an analysis site, and they try to be objective, based on their own knowledge. Centrist does not equal objective.
1) Let candidate A win in quick count
2) Create reasonable doubt by claiming quick count victory via bought surveyors
3) Manipulate the real count using the political machinery of the incumbent party
4) Announce that candidate B wins in real count
5) Supporters of candidate A will be enraged and demonstrate on the streets
6) Use “dark agents” to spark mass rioting
7) Use the armed forces to crush the riots
8) Bingo. A New New Order
WATCH the vote counting in the Electoral Commission
KEEP your calm
MAINTAIN the unity among fellow Indonesians
TELL your friends of the possibility of this scenario
DON’T LET THEM STEAL OUR VOTES, NOT TODAY IN 2014, AND NOT IN THE FUTURE
1) Biarkan capres A menang di quick count
2) Siapkan dalih dan buat keraguan di masyarakat dengan klaim kemenangan dari lembaga survei sendiri
3) Manipulasi real count di KPU dengan menggunakan mesin politik partai incumbent
4) Umumkan bahwa capes B menang di real count
5) Pendukung capres A yang sudah euphoria akan marah dan turun ke jalan
6) Pakai provokator untuk memancing kerusuhan massal
7) Tumpas kerusuhan dengan kekuatan militer
8) Bingo. Orde Baru Baru
AWASI rekapitulasi suara di KPU
JANGAN terpancing provokasi
PELIHARA kerukunan sesama warga negara
UNGKAP dan SEBARKAN kemungkinan skenario hitam ini
JANGAN BIARKAN SUARA KITA DICURI, TAHUN 2014 ATAU TAHUN-TAHUN BERIKUTNYA
[…] inilah yang membuat darah saya mendidih marah. Kecewa sekali terhadap Prabowo yang rela mengorbankan rakyat Indonesia demi kekuasaan yang–saat ini dia sudah tau bet…. That is just beyond pathetic. Jargon-jargonnya yang ultranasionalis memang ternyata cuma sebatas […]
[…] is evidence of Prabowo’s hand in fomenting anti-Chinese sentiment just months before the deadly riots, as the value of the rupiah plummeted and Indonesia reeled in […]
Prabowo will attempt to undermine Jokowi, but stealthily and with clever deceptions, experience acquired during his years in the military. Indonesia’s democracy still faces some stiff tests yet. Jokowi’s response to such stealth must not interfere with his mandate
to now run Indonesia; if he allows it to, then the election will have been for naught.
Now the thread has thoroughly departed from Indonesian election to Islamic scriptures, could someone make a comment about Sheikh Imran Nazar Hosein who sure has made a lot of comments on both Jews as well as Islamic scripture?
That’s true. Sahih Muslim is considered as one of the most authentic hadiths – although many Sunni Muslims reject some aspects of it as well.
I wrote what I wrote because you seem to be implying that your quote is from the Quran when in fact it isn’t.
As Nakal has pointed out, the Quran has plenty of anti-semitics messages (though many argued that it’s actually much better than those from their contemporary Christian compatriots, to put it in context a little).
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Prabowo’s game plan
Dear Edward Aspinal & Marcus Mietzner, what can be done by citizens to make sure the vote doesn’t get stolen? Please advice so I can share with my friends. Thank you, Lisa
Bring on the ballot
‘Centrist does not equal objective’–100% correct.
Prabowo’s game plan
hey guys there are millions of people vote for him and finally indonesia is determining his own future. no matter how the other countries opinion, it is part of democracy to repect other peoples choices.
Prabowo’s game plan
I think what the writers failed to include here — should the plausible scenario of stealing the presidency is concerned — the possible participation of the incumbent president, who happens to have enjoined his entire political party to support Prabowo.
Are we to be so naive that influencing the results of the KPU and the Constitutional Court could occur without the active involvement of the sitting president?
Prabowo’s game plan
Whoever the election winner, he gets original and pure political support from Indonesian people. There is no vote buying in pilpres 2014.
Prabowo’s game plan
i fully agree. i’d be interested to know the author’s opinions on one part of the game plan not addressed in the article: what does prabowo do if/when KPU announces that jokowi is the winner? he’s whipped up his followers into believing he’s won and his allied tv stations are still reporting that he’s won. does he accept the result or does he claim the election was stolen? does he appeal to MK or does he organize street protests?
Prabowo’s game plan
Please be prepared that this condition might be prabowo’s team screnario where on the way to 22 July 2014, his team will steal and buy the unused vote papers to gain his victory. Even manipulated the computer system. Ever think of jokowi’s votes actually could be higher than what’s stated on the current quick count? With lesser difference between prabowo and jokowi’s result, it’ll be easier for the team to cheat the votes number. Well, it could be happened.
Prabowo’s game plan
this would be the worst nightmare for most indonesians. Shame on those still praise Prabowo & his coalition of thugs.
Prabowo’s game plan
Prabowo and his camp has consistently applied the method: repeating the lies until it becomes the truth. We have seen this when they did the smear campaign against Jokowi. And it is of no surprise to see them declaring victory, based on what they believed to be their internal survey.
This, combined with the support from you-know-who (who have shown to be a masterful player at KPU), would make it possible for Prabowo’s camp to overturn the vote numbers. In the end, they will show that the their numbers is indeed the real number.
Prabowo has stated in the past that losing is not an option. Surely he won’t mind going against the people power – since this has been his end game, anyways.
Bring on the ballot
You have to understand the context. These researchers come from western democratic background. When one candidate is quite clearly anti-democratic, do they have to praise him for that too?
At the risk of invoking Godwin… Should these analyst have said that Hitler was “just another equally good alternative for Germany” in the 1933 election?
Besides, this is not the press, which is required to “cover both sides” and stay at the center, even when that center swings left or right. This is an analysis site, and they try to be objective, based on their own knowledge. Centrist does not equal objective.
Prabowo’s game plan
under the latest revision of UU MD3, prabowo could become dictator since he effectively owns the parliement now. I just hope it can be appealed to MK.
Prabowo’s game plan
1) Let candidate A win in quick count
2) Create reasonable doubt by claiming quick count victory via bought surveyors
3) Manipulate the real count using the political machinery of the incumbent party
4) Announce that candidate B wins in real count
5) Supporters of candidate A will be enraged and demonstrate on the streets
6) Use “dark agents” to spark mass rioting
7) Use the armed forces to crush the riots
8) Bingo. A New New Order
WATCH the vote counting in the Electoral Commission
KEEP your calm
MAINTAIN the unity among fellow Indonesians
TELL your friends of the possibility of this scenario
DON’T LET THEM STEAL OUR VOTES, NOT TODAY IN 2014, AND NOT IN THE FUTURE
Prabowo’s game plan
1) Biarkan capres A menang di quick count
2) Siapkan dalih dan buat keraguan di masyarakat dengan klaim kemenangan dari lembaga survei sendiri
3) Manipulasi real count di KPU dengan menggunakan mesin politik partai incumbent
4) Umumkan bahwa capes B menang di real count
5) Pendukung capres A yang sudah euphoria akan marah dan turun ke jalan
6) Pakai provokator untuk memancing kerusuhan massal
7) Tumpas kerusuhan dengan kekuatan militer
8) Bingo. Orde Baru Baru
AWASI rekapitulasi suara di KPU
JANGAN terpancing provokasi
PELIHARA kerukunan sesama warga negara
UNGKAP dan SEBARKAN kemungkinan skenario hitam ini
JANGAN BIARKAN SUARA KITA DICURI, TAHUN 2014 ATAU TAHUN-TAHUN BERIKUTNYA
Prabowo’s game plan
[…] inilah yang membuat darah saya mendidih marah. Kecewa sekali terhadap Prabowo yang rela mengorbankan rakyat Indonesia demi kekuasaan yang–saat ini dia sudah tau bet…. That is just beyond pathetic. Jargon-jargonnya yang ultranasionalis memang ternyata cuma sebatas […]
Prabowo’s game plan
i will seriously lose my faith in democracy if prabowo indeed, win. like how more obvious could this quick count possibly be?
Prabowo and his anti-Chinese past?
[…] is evidence of Prabowo’s hand in fomenting anti-Chinese sentiment just months before the deadly riots, as the value of the rupiah plummeted and Indonesia reeled in […]
Stand-off as Indonesia treads new democratic path
Jokowi knows which way his bread is buttered. The question is: Will he drop it or eat it ?
Prabowo’s game plan
Prabowo will attempt to undermine Jokowi, but stealthily and with clever deceptions, experience acquired during his years in the military. Indonesia’s democracy still faces some stiff tests yet. Jokowi’s response to such stealth must not interfere with his mandate
to now run Indonesia; if he allows it to, then the election will have been for naught.
Let God decide
Now the thread has thoroughly departed from Indonesian election to Islamic scriptures, could someone make a comment about Sheikh Imran Nazar Hosein who sure has made a lot of comments on both Jews as well as Islamic scripture?
Let God decide
That’s true. Sahih Muslim is considered as one of the most authentic hadiths – although many Sunni Muslims reject some aspects of it as well.
I wrote what I wrote because you seem to be implying that your quote is from the Quran when in fact it isn’t.
As Nakal has pointed out, the Quran has plenty of anti-semitics messages (though many argued that it’s actually much better than those from their contemporary Christian compatriots, to put it in context a little).