This might be a bit late, but could the organizer at ANU hand out sanwishes in protest of Thai Coup. In the latest headline of Daily News newspaper, the junta just banned handing out or eating sandwishes outside food outlets and dinning areas, another display of the intelligence among those claimed to bring perfect democracy to the country.
Yea, that’s what I thought when he mentioned about Malaysia NEP.
Maybe Mr. Prabowo need to start looking and reality rather than his narrow delusional view. Malaysia is unique as a country by itself. So is Indonesia and other countries. There is no way you can “adopt” other countries’ policies to be used in another country. (Though, of course it is a lot easier when you do NOT have any plans/policies of your own in the first place)
As for Anti-semitism past of Mr. Prabowo, it does not count for him to say he has no such view/past. It depends mainly on how the people in his categories view him.
“According to some, the riots broke due to the high poverty among Malays in Malaysia at the time. The Malaysian government at the time thus instituted the NEP in order to redistribute wealth from the Chinese-Malaysian minority to the Bumiputra majority.”
Times have changed in Malaysia, Tonny. Today, we have fascist Malay NGOs saying “WE will chop off heads to defend Islam”. Perhaps, Indonesia, having gone through the mass killings in 1965-1966, does not find that particularly extreme. But for Malaysia, this is new. The same NGOs threaten to expel non-Malays. As you likely know, “Allah” remains a banned word for non-Malay/non-Muslim Bumiputera. If that weren’t sufficiently insane, Prime Minister Najib recently suggested that Malays should emulate ISIL terrorists in Syria. At least 15 Malays have, based on reports of deceased foreign fighters there. Essentially, the PM of Malaysia is saying to Muslim Malays, it is good if you emulate terrorists. Along with the constant whining at, demanding of, and threatening of, non-Malays in Malaysia, life has become unbearable for both liberal-minded Malays and non-Malays. Speak to any average, non-fanatical Muslim in Malaysia, they will tell you Malaysia has become a circus of clowns, but dangerous clowns.
Indonesia is bigger, more diverse and more heterogeneous, but one should not be sanguine into thinking that, the role and use of, Islam will not (again) potentially result in severe consequences for Indonesia. That Malaysia is having a nationwide argument over Shari’a Law and Hudud, does not mean Indonesia wont. They may be closing down “Dolly” in Surabaya, but it’s when they start closing down ALL the Ahmadiyah Mosques, and ALL the Roman Catholic Churches, and ALL the Buddhist and Hindu Temples, that Indonesians had better take notice. If all Indonesians think themselves far more liberal and tolerant than their Malay cousins, I would suggest they had better think again.
Dont worry not dissapointed, if virtually no one in Thailand subscribes to your ultra nationalist proposals it doesnt matter, you and the boys can just roll the tanks in to enforce compliance, subservience and ‘happiness’ in traditional dictator style.
While your recommending policy, I would like to ask what makes you think that anyone would give you an ounce of credibility when you have a tendency to totally discredit your own arguments?
Im talking about when you post ranting comments like this:
“It gave them a license to kill 3,000 men, women and childen including some small-time drug pushers, without actually shutting down the drug factories; with no arrests or siezures of assets of any druglords, many of whom were financiers and ministers of his party and government ”
And then a few posts later you make an introductory statement that you are submitting ‘facts’ for everyone to consider and you post this:
”Tens of thousand arrested, Hundreds of thousands sent for rehab, over a thousand officials caught, and billions of Baht seized (TN Dec 3, 2003).”
Note: These comments were posted on the new mandala 7 questions blog over the past several days by not dissapointed.
You have clearly overlooked many of the outrageous contradictions between your own posts so Ill point just a few of the many out:
1) From no arrests to tens of thousands of arrests within a few posts
2) From no siezures of assets to billions of baht siezed within a few posts
3) From no one in Thaksins government being touched to ‘over 1000 officials caught’ within a few posts.
So please let us know, did you submit a series of lies while making the initial rant or was the initial rant all true and you then decided to follow it up with a series of lies that you introduced to New Mandala readers as facts?
Im very confused by your logic so I would appreciate a response on this.
Not dissapointed, Do you honestly expect anyone to take the policy proposals you advance seriously when you cant even string together a cohesive discourse on what you believe is going on or has happened recently in Thailand?
Although this may not have occured to you, you are unintentionally presenting an extremely strong policy case for a complete overhaul of the education system in Thailand because if you cant see how poorly you are presenting your case, then there’s something seriously wrong with what is taught in Thai schools.
What you describe sounds right, but I wonder if the policy were limited to Mae Sot. I know of two Mon rubber farm workers, registered in Surat Thani, being fined in Mae Sot as they were returning to Myanmar because they hadn’t got a ‘big stamp’ in their passport before leaving.
It also represents a continuation of a policy that goes back much further, as detailed by Pitch Pongsawat in his excellent (2007) thesis ‘Border Partial Citizenship’, available here:
I am not even sure Yingluck has any credible defense to make on the ‘criminal negligence’ allegations that led to the leakages, scams and still to be tallied multi-billion losses incurred by Yingluck’s rice pledge scheme. As Chairman, she publicly admitted to not having attended a single meeting of the Rice Pledge Scheme Committee. Now what kind buffalo-chairmanship is that Sceptic?
Are you still avoiding my questions Not dissapointed? I guess taking a good long look at the immense flaws in your arguments might not be compatible with your programming.
Never mind, we’ve come to expect such from those who rely on network monarchy propaganda as their primary source of information.
Nonetheless, It is indeed quite comical and telling that several posts back submitted this during one of your rants:
“It gave them a license to kill 3,000 men, women and childen including some small-time drug pushers, without actually shutting down the drug factories; with no arrests or siezures of assets of any druglords, many of whom were financiers and ministers of his party and government.
Then in your latest post when, for a welcome change you decided to submit a few ‘facts’ you submitted this:
” Tens of thousand arrested, Hundreds of thousands sent for rehab, over a thousand officials caught, and billions of Baht seized (TN Dec 3, 2003).
Hmmm, Im not sure if you have noticed a slight contradiction between your posts?.
1) From no arrests to tens of thousands of arrests
2) From no siezures of assets to billions of baht siezed
3) From no one in Thaksins government being touched to ‘over 1000 officials caught’
I could be wrong, but Im beginning to think that you are secretly working for the Thaksin camp and are intentionally submitting posts that ensure that any thinking person that reads them can immediately see immense holes and weaknesses in the Network monarchy’s propaganda. Part of this covert strategy is to submit wild accusations direct out of the network monarchy propaganda hand book and then almost immediately submit ‘facts’ that totally destroy your own credibility.
If notdisappointed is going to plagiarize such a long passage from someone else’s work without attribution, she should at least try to copy it without making mistakes.
Just two points to endorse Ralph’s comment.
There’s nothing in this passage about “mass murder” or 3,000 deaths.
Since this passage was written (almost exactly 10 years ago), studies have shown that the “gross” figures of killings during the WOD campaign probably included some killings for other causes, but failed to put any precise figure on the WOD killings. If I remember right, the average number of murders per month at that time was around 400 plus.
Pemimpin yang tdk amanah sebaiknya tdk dipilih lagi…
Pemimpin yg begitu sombong dan suka berdusta, memamerkan solatnya untuk kepentingan politik, melakukan penipuan pada masyarakat menengah ke bawah yang hanya senang dengan hal2 ‘gratis’, mendidik rakyat indonesia menjadi mental peminta2, mendididk rakyatindonesia dibelaskasihan, pemimpin yg lari dari tanggungjawab dan menyalahkan anak buah….
pemimpin seperti itu tdk layak memimpin negeri tercinya ini
BPJS sdh ada, mengapa tetep ingin membuat KIS?
Dana BOS sdh ada dan Pendidikan dasar sdh gratis knp harus ada KIP?
Kartu2 itu hanya untuk menarik simpati rakyat yg mudah diperbodohi….
Sejak kpn pula PDIP peduli dgn nasib rakyat palestina?
Gerindra, PKS dan pemerintahan SBY sdh sangat2 peduli pada rakyat palestina….mereka tdk perlu berkoar2 untuk memamerkan kebaikannya….
Jikalau jokowi menang, itu menandakan orang yg terkena tipu muslihat jokowi lebih byk….
Smg Allah swt menganugerahkan pemimpin yang amanah untk indonesia tercinta….
Nice conclusion Adamo: “The ability to adapt to different audiences is absolutely an intellectual quality not a symptom of an inconsistent personality. Furthermore the change of personality and behaviour is symptom of authenticity, of a continuing learning and education.” Despite your criticism of the tendency toward pyschoanalysis in this article, you drive home its main argument very clearly!
[…] membela rakyat dan lain sebagainya, tetapi tidak jelas siapa yang dimaksud dengan musuh tersebut. Liam Gammon berpendapat, “Ada sesuatu yang ada di benak Prabowo sehingga satu-satunya kesempatan dia […]
semakin menarik saja di demokrasi di indonesia, ulasan yang sangat menarik tentang prabowo, semakin lama demokrasi indonesia makin baik dan rakyar makin pintar dalam memilih..kita lihat saja tgl 9 juli..#ngarep perbuahan di indonesia, sudah cukup lama PLN mati2 terus dan miskin terus kita rakyat 🙂
This article reminds me my old philosophy professor who was used to warn me not to use psychoanalytic arguments to justify my prejudices. “The psychoanalysis is the main failure of the previous century as psychological therapy but unfortunately it has cankered our culture and our common sense” – he was used to say. And he was right: here for example the author is seeking for some “traumatic” experiences in the Prabowo’s childhood to find out an explanation (a cause-and-effect relationships) that could justify the idea that he has a chameleon personality (which is considered as a bad quality). So, the multicultural context of the Prabowo’s education, in this vision, turns to be the metaphor of his unconscious, the world of repressed events on which his personality is implanted. So he experienced racism – which can explain his nationalism – he experienced how to show a different identity speaking a different language – which can explain his ability to show different images of himself … My professor would laugh in front of such ridiculous abstraction! Prabowo had a multicultural education, that’s all. No need to apply psychoanalytic categories on this matter of fact. It may include traumatic events, but the whole experience (all the years spent in international schools) cannot be reduced to this meaningless events. The ability to adapt to different audiences is absolutely an intellectual quality not a symptom of an inconsistent personality. Furthermore the change of personality and behaviour is symptom of authenticity, of a continuing learning and education. A fixed identity is something detached from the world and from the history!
ND please go back to Nation Weblog where you are amongst other royalists who hate poor people. Here you waste your time as no one is drinking the Kool-Aid Suthep and Prayuth are serving. ( hint; google Jim Jones )
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ANU event on Thai coup
This might be a bit late, but could the organizer at ANU hand out sanwishes in protest of Thai Coup. In the latest headline of Daily News newspaper, the junta just banned handing out or eating sandwishes outside food outlets and dinning areas, another display of the intelligence among those claimed to bring perfect democracy to the country.
Prabowo and his anti-Chinese past?
Yea, that’s what I thought when he mentioned about Malaysia NEP.
Maybe Mr. Prabowo need to start looking and reality rather than his narrow delusional view. Malaysia is unique as a country by itself. So is Indonesia and other countries. There is no way you can “adopt” other countries’ policies to be used in another country. (Though, of course it is a lot easier when you do NOT have any plans/policies of your own in the first place)
As for Anti-semitism past of Mr. Prabowo, it does not count for him to say he has no such view/past. It depends mainly on how the people in his categories view him.
Prabowo and his anti-Chinese past?
“According to some, the riots broke due to the high poverty among Malays in Malaysia at the time. The Malaysian government at the time thus instituted the NEP in order to redistribute wealth from the Chinese-Malaysian minority to the Bumiputra majority.”
Times have changed in Malaysia, Tonny. Today, we have fascist Malay NGOs saying “WE will chop off heads to defend Islam”. Perhaps, Indonesia, having gone through the mass killings in 1965-1966, does not find that particularly extreme. But for Malaysia, this is new. The same NGOs threaten to expel non-Malays. As you likely know, “Allah” remains a banned word for non-Malay/non-Muslim Bumiputera. If that weren’t sufficiently insane, Prime Minister Najib recently suggested that Malays should emulate ISIL terrorists in Syria. At least 15 Malays have, based on reports of deceased foreign fighters there. Essentially, the PM of Malaysia is saying to Muslim Malays, it is good if you emulate terrorists. Along with the constant whining at, demanding of, and threatening of, non-Malays in Malaysia, life has become unbearable for both liberal-minded Malays and non-Malays. Speak to any average, non-fanatical Muslim in Malaysia, they will tell you Malaysia has become a circus of clowns, but dangerous clowns.
Indonesia is bigger, more diverse and more heterogeneous, but one should not be sanguine into thinking that, the role and use of, Islam will not (again) potentially result in severe consequences for Indonesia. That Malaysia is having a nationwide argument over Shari’a Law and Hudud, does not mean Indonesia wont. They may be closing down “Dolly” in Surabaya, but it’s when they start closing down ALL the Ahmadiyah Mosques, and ALL the Roman Catholic Churches, and ALL the Buddhist and Hindu Temples, that Indonesians had better take notice. If all Indonesians think themselves far more liberal and tolerant than their Malay cousins, I would suggest they had better think again.
ANU event on Thai coup
Dont worry not dissapointed, if virtually no one in Thailand subscribes to your ultra nationalist proposals it doesnt matter, you and the boys can just roll the tanks in to enforce compliance, subservience and ‘happiness’ in traditional dictator style.
While your recommending policy, I would like to ask what makes you think that anyone would give you an ounce of credibility when you have a tendency to totally discredit your own arguments?
Im talking about when you post ranting comments like this:
“It gave them a license to kill 3,000 men, women and childen including some small-time drug pushers, without actually shutting down the drug factories; with no arrests or siezures of assets of any druglords, many of whom were financiers and ministers of his party and government ”
And then a few posts later you make an introductory statement that you are submitting ‘facts’ for everyone to consider and you post this:
”Tens of thousand arrested, Hundreds of thousands sent for rehab, over a thousand officials caught, and billions of Baht seized (TN Dec 3, 2003).”
Note: These comments were posted on the new mandala 7 questions blog over the past several days by not dissapointed.
You have clearly overlooked many of the outrageous contradictions between your own posts so Ill point just a few of the many out:
1) From no arrests to tens of thousands of arrests within a few posts
2) From no siezures of assets to billions of baht siezed within a few posts
3) From no one in Thaksins government being touched to ‘over 1000 officials caught’ within a few posts.
So please let us know, did you submit a series of lies while making the initial rant or was the initial rant all true and you then decided to follow it up with a series of lies that you introduced to New Mandala readers as facts?
Im very confused by your logic so I would appreciate a response on this.
Not dissapointed, Do you honestly expect anyone to take the policy proposals you advance seriously when you cant even string together a cohesive discourse on what you believe is going on or has happened recently in Thailand?
Although this may not have occured to you, you are unintentionally presenting an extremely strong policy case for a complete overhaul of the education system in Thailand because if you cant see how poorly you are presenting your case, then there’s something seriously wrong with what is taught in Thai schools.
Ominous signs for migrant workers in Thailand
Many thanks for the informative reply, Stephen.
What you describe sounds right, but I wonder if the policy were limited to Mae Sot. I know of two Mon rubber farm workers, registered in Surat Thani, being fined in Mae Sot as they were returning to Myanmar because they hadn’t got a ‘big stamp’ in their passport before leaving.
It also represents a continuation of a policy that goes back much further, as detailed by Pitch Pongsawat in his excellent (2007) thesis ‘Border Partial Citizenship’, available here:
http://www.polsci.chula.ac.th/pitch/PongsawatPhDDissertation.pdf
ANU event on Thai coup
If he was the first, as EB surmises, is it possible the lexicographers haven’t yet caught up?
ANU event on Thai coup
I am not even sure Yingluck has any credible defense to make on the ‘criminal negligence’ allegations that led to the leakages, scams and still to be tallied multi-billion losses incurred by Yingluck’s rice pledge scheme. As Chairman, she publicly admitted to not having attended a single meeting of the Rice Pledge Scheme Committee. Now what kind buffalo-chairmanship is that Sceptic?
Seven questions for Thailand’s military
Are you still avoiding my questions Not dissapointed? I guess taking a good long look at the immense flaws in your arguments might not be compatible with your programming.
Never mind, we’ve come to expect such from those who rely on network monarchy propaganda as their primary source of information.
Nonetheless, It is indeed quite comical and telling that several posts back submitted this during one of your rants:
“It gave them a license to kill 3,000 men, women and childen including some small-time drug pushers, without actually shutting down the drug factories; with no arrests or siezures of assets of any druglords, many of whom were financiers and ministers of his party and government.
Then in your latest post when, for a welcome change you decided to submit a few ‘facts’ you submitted this:
” Tens of thousand arrested, Hundreds of thousands sent for rehab, over a thousand officials caught, and billions of Baht seized (TN Dec 3, 2003).
Hmmm, Im not sure if you have noticed a slight contradiction between your posts?.
1) From no arrests to tens of thousands of arrests
2) From no siezures of assets to billions of baht siezed
3) From no one in Thaksins government being touched to ‘over 1000 officials caught’
I could be wrong, but Im beginning to think that you are secretly working for the Thaksin camp and are intentionally submitting posts that ensure that any thinking person that reads them can immediately see immense holes and weaknesses in the Network monarchy’s propaganda. Part of this covert strategy is to submit wild accusations direct out of the network monarchy propaganda hand book and then almost immediately submit ‘facts’ that totally destroy your own credibility.
Am I right?
Seven questions for Thailand’s military
If notdisappointed is going to plagiarize such a long passage from someone else’s work without attribution, she should at least try to copy it without making mistakes.
Just two points to endorse Ralph’s comment.
There’s nothing in this passage about “mass murder” or 3,000 deaths.
Since this passage was written (almost exactly 10 years ago), studies have shown that the “gross” figures of killings during the WOD campaign probably included some killings for other causes, but failed to put any precise figure on the WOD killings. If I remember right, the average number of murders per month at that time was around 400 plus.
ANU event on Thai coup
Please elaborate: I can’t find the term ‘socialist capitalist’ in the dictionary.
Seven questions for Thailand’s military
You seem to conveniently omit here the real driving force behind the war on drugs (and probably the reason why no-one could be charged)
Demokrasi Indonesia Dalam Bahaya
Pemimpin yang tdk amanah sebaiknya tdk dipilih lagi…
Pemimpin yg begitu sombong dan suka berdusta, memamerkan solatnya untuk kepentingan politik, melakukan penipuan pada masyarakat menengah ke bawah yang hanya senang dengan hal2 ‘gratis’, mendidik rakyat indonesia menjadi mental peminta2, mendididk rakyatindonesia dibelaskasihan, pemimpin yg lari dari tanggungjawab dan menyalahkan anak buah….
pemimpin seperti itu tdk layak memimpin negeri tercinya ini
BPJS sdh ada, mengapa tetep ingin membuat KIS?
Dana BOS sdh ada dan Pendidikan dasar sdh gratis knp harus ada KIP?
Kartu2 itu hanya untuk menarik simpati rakyat yg mudah diperbodohi….
Sejak kpn pula PDIP peduli dgn nasib rakyat palestina?
Gerindra, PKS dan pemerintahan SBY sdh sangat2 peduli pada rakyat palestina….mereka tdk perlu berkoar2 untuk memamerkan kebaikannya….
Jikalau jokowi menang, itu menandakan orang yg terkena tipu muslihat jokowi lebih byk….
Smg Allah swt menganugerahkan pemimpin yang amanah untk indonesia tercinta….
Prabowo the chameleon
Nice conclusion Adamo: “The ability to adapt to different audiences is absolutely an intellectual quality not a symptom of an inconsistent personality. Furthermore the change of personality and behaviour is symptom of authenticity, of a continuing learning and education.” Despite your criticism of the tendency toward pyschoanalysis in this article, you drive home its main argument very clearly!
Prabowo’s dog-whistling
[…] membela rakyat dan lain sebagainya, tetapi tidak jelas siapa yang dimaksud dengan musuh tersebut. Liam Gammon berpendapat, “Ada sesuatu yang ada di benak Prabowo sehingga satu-satunya kesempatan dia […]
Demokrasi Indonesia Dalam Bahaya
Pingin juga donk di ulas tentang pak jokowi biar kita bisa nilai. Biar seimbang #majulah indonesiaku
Demokrasi Indonesia Dalam Bahaya
semakin menarik saja di demokrasi di indonesia, ulasan yang sangat menarik tentang prabowo, semakin lama demokrasi indonesia makin baik dan rakyar makin pintar dalam memilih..kita lihat saja tgl 9 juli..#ngarep perbuahan di indonesia, sudah cukup lama PLN mati2 terus dan miskin terus kita rakyat 🙂
Prabowo the chameleon
This article reminds me my old philosophy professor who was used to warn me not to use psychoanalytic arguments to justify my prejudices. “The psychoanalysis is the main failure of the previous century as psychological therapy but unfortunately it has cankered our culture and our common sense” – he was used to say. And he was right: here for example the author is seeking for some “traumatic” experiences in the Prabowo’s childhood to find out an explanation (a cause-and-effect relationships) that could justify the idea that he has a chameleon personality (which is considered as a bad quality). So, the multicultural context of the Prabowo’s education, in this vision, turns to be the metaphor of his unconscious, the world of repressed events on which his personality is implanted. So he experienced racism – which can explain his nationalism – he experienced how to show a different identity speaking a different language – which can explain his ability to show different images of himself … My professor would laugh in front of such ridiculous abstraction! Prabowo had a multicultural education, that’s all. No need to apply psychoanalytic categories on this matter of fact. It may include traumatic events, but the whole experience (all the years spent in international schools) cannot be reduced to this meaningless events. The ability to adapt to different audiences is absolutely an intellectual quality not a symptom of an inconsistent personality. Furthermore the change of personality and behaviour is symptom of authenticity, of a continuing learning and education. A fixed identity is something detached from the world and from the history!
ANU event on Thai coup
Was Thaksin the world’s first socialist capitalist, an unforgivable sin?
ANU event on Thai coup
Aren’t they calling it “meditation”
ND please go back to Nation Weblog where you are amongst other royalists who hate poor people. Here you waste your time as no one is drinking the Kool-Aid Suthep and Prayuth are serving. ( hint; google Jim Jones )
Prabowo the chameleon
The article is an interesting read, despite the stupid comment.
More interesting articles with no stupid comments, please!