Either very very ignorant or very ill-intentioned people or both would compare Thailand AND North Korea period. Which one are you Tarrin?
Does the King of Thailand live ‘a very easy life’? From what perspective could anyone make a fair judgement.
Is HMK Bhumibhol a better modern King than any other monarch still living, or any recently deceased? That HMK succeeded this far to preserve the Thai monarchy, through Thailand’s thick and thin, and, through demanding political challenges from the the extreme right and/or the radical left, is a testimony to the sincerity of his devotion and service to his people.
Just out of curiousity Tarrin, from where did you pull out that cockamamie: “We spent 14 Billions on keeping his (HMK) image nice…”?
Why don’t they simply do anatomical comparisons. It will save the nation time, money and prophylactic pandering. Those that do not come out a head, may be embarrassed, but they can find comfort in the knowledge that the
“Absence of evidence is not necessarily the same as the evidence of absence”.
Thai tulip should realize the Thai rose never would put you in jail for criticizing her, where has the King and his network wants to put her away for 100 years.
Not to split hairs, but they are actually listed 10th and their $1.7 billion estimated wealth is pretty small beer when compared with any of the top four ( Chearavanont $12.6 billion, Chirathivat $12.3 billion, Sirivadhanabhakdi $10.6 billion, Yoovidhya $7.8 billion) at least two of whom appear to have been funding the anti-government protests. Forbes list (tactfully?) omits the Crown Property Bureau, whose fund Bloomberg conservatively estimated two years ago at $43 billion. The latter is clearly not a fund available to the Thai state, though to what degree it represents the personal wealth of the Chakris seems to be a moot point.
Rose, much like Edward Snowden, has strong principles. Both want to see improvements for everybody in society, but suffer in their personal lives because of their principles.
Much of what you write are not facts as you state, but are opinions. I believe for you to say “that all the educated people…are supporting the changes” is simply not true. Many professional people I know believe that those in the yellow movement have disdain for democracy, since the military serves the administration in power in a true democracy.
A good consequence of the coup is the overthrow of the 2007 constitution which the people were forced to vote for. It was specifically designed to cripple any elected government and concentrate power in the patronage system of the traditional predatory state.
Now is the time for public-spirited Thais to start work on a new democratic constitution which abolishes the predatory state and grants full powers to the elected government, as is the case in real democracies. Given the monarchy’s role as chief upholder of the predatory state, it should also be abolished. The new constitution should establish a judiciary that recognises the right to power of the people’s representatives, and rejects interference from interest groups. An important aspect of a new Thai constitution should be the suppression of patronage, a cultural feature inherited from the slave-master relationship that dominated Thai culture before the age of capitalism. Another is keeping the military, the slave-traders of old Siam, subservient to the elected government.
Support should be requested from the United Nations, and from democratic countries like Australia and the United States, as well as internationally from sympathetic high-profile individuals. An appeal should be made for UN military intervention to be used, if necessary, to ensure the abolition of the Thai predatory state.
No one is missing the fact that there are problems that the military could, in theory, solve.
There is a lot of warranted skepticism, however, that they can or want to. Last time (2006) the actually made most of these, including the justice system, worse. And this time they seem to have intervened on behalf of one of two corrupt sides, rather than intervening against the corruption,
Facts? Not really, at best cherry picking, otherwise just the suppositions pulled from the proverbial dumbass in the street.
Bribery? The last time the Dems were in power, it was because some of the former coalition partners’ of Thaksin’s coalition were bribed so they backed Abhisit.
If you want facts, I would trust Nick Nostitz before the joker. You should read his contributions on this blog. He at least talked to all sides. That is until some of the “peaceful” PDRC demonstrators attacked him because they didn’t like what he reported.
How is the limit of freedom got anything to do with her telling how abusive the regime is? In the first paragraph you have connected two very irrelevant points together.
The king IS living a very easy life, what that he do that distinguish himself from the rest of Thais? We spent 14 Billions on keeping his image nice, that is why Rose comparing Thailand to North Korea, we have this very fanatic personality cult going on in Thailand, and unfortunately, many people didnt seem to have courage to tell the truth.
You should listen to yourself and start “listen to both side of the story”.
Gee, Mr. Khemthong, you promised ‘what next’ but all I saw was a great load of ‘back to the old order’ hogwash. How about this. The new tin-pot dictator falls on his face. Nationwide chaos ensues. The country breaks apart with the North/Northeast going one direction and the Muslim south the other. Taksin returns to Chieng Mai or Khon Kaen. Some units of the Royal Thai Army desert or mutiny. Gen Prayuth struggles to hang onto Bangkok. The Monarchy crumbles. I’m not saying that all this will happen, but I bet some of it will.
I feel I have to comment on why so many Thais express genuine reverence/love for the King. It’s because since they were tiny children this mindset has been inculcated via daily rituals involving the national anthem (broadcast twice a day from street loudspeakers throughout Thailand)and at the beginning of the day in primary and secondary school, lessons in school devoted to instilling love for the royal family and regular broadcasts on TV and in the cinema on the same theme. It’s rather Orwellian. As the Jesuits say ‘Give me the child and I will give you the man’
Funny how a person that complaint about a government of 60 million that has its way, will fail to see the potential menace/power the government can and will eventually project.
Incidentally stop accusing the government of unproven nefarious Ethnic Cleansing, using self serving NGO criteria.
I’m not Thai but I have spent a lot of time in Thailand so can say that I know a bit how people think.
And it’s interesting reading this comments from #18, #17, #15, “10.1 and all the others … For me it’s strange that all the educated people, doctors, layers, students, people who are working in hospitals, international companies etc. are supporting the changes and are against corruptions. People on both sides are, but the most profit was made by Taksin and his family.
By the way to bring back into your mind: Mrs. Yingluck was accused to be corruptive – and you all are speaking it’s not the case.
And all the victims that were caused by the armed attacks on the peacefully demonstrating people by the red/black shirts – the “peaceful” ones?
Aaa do you still remember who set on fire the CentralWorld shopping complex during the 2010 Abhisit government crackdown on red-shirt protests there?
The only language that red shirts speak is violence and threatening with civil war … please! This can be done by everyone.
I agree with the fact that the Democrats didn’t succeed with some projects during their regime as someone mentions the Police stations project. But that is because they didn’t bribe people, especially the police who is obviously on the red shirts side. As they couldn’t find any suspects for the last bombings and shootings in Bangkok – but the army found them in one night. Interesting.
He and his corruptive family are on the 6th place … And most of this fortune was made by embezzlement of government money deducted to help the farmers … so Mr.Cal Piker who is not corrupted?
I agree with Vichai N as I was there … and I’m a westerner, so not involved into any political movement. And also the leader of red/black shirts was threatening with civil war if they remove the most corruptive members of Thaksin/Yingluck family … so who is not violent?
I knew a young lawyer, early 20s, who was studying to be a judge. I said to her that she surely must be hitting the books late at night studying, and she told me with a completely straight face that she had no homework at all! I have had one personal experience with a court here over a land dispute. It was an absolute disgrace. Even with a chanote the Land Department would not/could not calculate where a missing plot pillar should be located and the court could not/would not compel them to do so. Instead, the neighbor was asked to point where they thought the post should be located and then we had to discuss that back and forth to reach a compromise. You read that right, the neighbor was asked to point out where they thought it should be. This took a year and many appearances.
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Thorns of the Thai rose
Either very very ignorant or very ill-intentioned people or both would compare Thailand AND North Korea period. Which one are you Tarrin?
Does the King of Thailand live ‘a very easy life’? From what perspective could anyone make a fair judgement.
Is HMK Bhumibhol a better modern King than any other monarch still living, or any recently deceased? That HMK succeeded this far to preserve the Thai monarchy, through Thailand’s thick and thin, and, through demanding political challenges from the the extreme right and/or the radical left, is a testimony to the sincerity of his devotion and service to his people.
Just out of curiousity Tarrin, from where did you pull out that cockamamie: “We spent 14 Billions on keeping his (HMK) image nice…”?
Prabowo and the art of being tegas
Why don’t they simply do anatomical comparisons. It will save the nation time, money and prophylactic pandering. Those that do not come out a head, may be embarrassed, but they can find comfort in the knowledge that the
“Absence of evidence is not necessarily the same as the evidence of absence”.
Thorns of the Thai rose
Thai tulip should realize the Thai rose never would put you in jail for criticizing her, where has the King and his network wants to put her away for 100 years.
Thailand, what next?
Not to split hairs, but they are actually listed 10th and their $1.7 billion estimated wealth is pretty small beer when compared with any of the top four ( Chearavanont $12.6 billion, Chirathivat $12.3 billion, Sirivadhanabhakdi $10.6 billion, Yoovidhya $7.8 billion) at least two of whom appear to have been funding the anti-government protests. Forbes list (tactfully?) omits the Crown Property Bureau, whose fund Bloomberg conservatively estimated two years ago at $43 billion. The latter is clearly not a fund available to the Thai state, though to what degree it represents the personal wealth of the Chakris seems to be a moot point.
Thorns of the Thai rose
Rose, much like Edward Snowden, has strong principles. Both want to see improvements for everybody in society, but suffer in their personal lives because of their principles.
Thailand, what next?
Joke #21
Much of what you write are not facts as you state, but are opinions. I believe for you to say “that all the educated people…are supporting the changes” is simply not true. Many professional people I know believe that those in the yellow movement have disdain for democracy, since the military serves the administration in power in a true democracy.
Thailand, what next?
A good consequence of the coup is the overthrow of the 2007 constitution which the people were forced to vote for. It was specifically designed to cripple any elected government and concentrate power in the patronage system of the traditional predatory state.
Now is the time for public-spirited Thais to start work on a new democratic constitution which abolishes the predatory state and grants full powers to the elected government, as is the case in real democracies. Given the monarchy’s role as chief upholder of the predatory state, it should also be abolished. The new constitution should establish a judiciary that recognises the right to power of the people’s representatives, and rejects interference from interest groups. An important aspect of a new Thai constitution should be the suppression of patronage, a cultural feature inherited from the slave-master relationship that dominated Thai culture before the age of capitalism. Another is keeping the military, the slave-traders of old Siam, subservient to the elected government.
Support should be requested from the United Nations, and from democratic countries like Australia and the United States, as well as internationally from sympathetic high-profile individuals. An appeal should be made for UN military intervention to be used, if necessary, to ensure the abolition of the Thai predatory state.
Thailand’s invitation to violence
Farmer Joe,
No one is missing the fact that there are problems that the military could, in theory, solve.
There is a lot of warranted skepticism, however, that they can or want to. Last time (2006) the actually made most of these, including the justice system, worse. And this time they seem to have intervened on behalf of one of two corrupt sides, rather than intervening against the corruption,
KJP
Thailand, what next?
Facts? Not really, at best cherry picking, otherwise just the suppositions pulled from the proverbial dumbass in the street.
Bribery? The last time the Dems were in power, it was because some of the former coalition partners’ of Thaksin’s coalition were bribed so they backed Abhisit.
If you want facts, I would trust Nick Nostitz before the joker. You should read his contributions on this blog. He at least talked to all sides. That is until some of the “peaceful” PDRC demonstrators attacked him because they didn’t like what he reported.
Thorns of the Thai rose
How is the limit of freedom got anything to do with her telling how abusive the regime is? In the first paragraph you have connected two very irrelevant points together.
The king IS living a very easy life, what that he do that distinguish himself from the rest of Thais? We spent 14 Billions on keeping his image nice, that is why Rose comparing Thailand to North Korea, we have this very fanatic personality cult going on in Thailand, and unfortunately, many people didnt seem to have courage to tell the truth.
You should listen to yourself and start “listen to both side of the story”.
Thailand, what next?
Gee, Mr. Khemthong, you promised ‘what next’ but all I saw was a great load of ‘back to the old order’ hogwash. How about this. The new tin-pot dictator falls on his face. Nationwide chaos ensues. The country breaks apart with the North/Northeast going one direction and the Muslim south the other. Taksin returns to Chieng Mai or Khon Kaen. Some units of the Royal Thai Army desert or mutiny. Gen Prayuth struggles to hang onto Bangkok. The Monarchy crumbles. I’m not saying that all this will happen, but I bet some of it will.
Thailand, what next?
Yes, like giving speeding tickets out at the Indianapolis 500, as the old saw goes, to say the least.
Thailand’s invitation to violence
I translated this article, Andrew into my italian blog. Hope it is ok
http://terresottovento.altervista.org/?fondo=colpo-invito-violenza
Thorns of the Thai rose
I feel I have to comment on why so many Thais express genuine reverence/love for the King. It’s because since they were tiny children this mindset has been inculcated via daily rituals involving the national anthem (broadcast twice a day from street loudspeakers throughout Thailand)and at the beginning of the day in primary and secondary school, lessons in school devoted to instilling love for the royal family and regular broadcasts on TV and in the cinema on the same theme. It’s rather Orwellian. As the Jesuits say ‘Give me the child and I will give you the man’
Myanmar as middle power
Funny how a person that complaint about a government of 60 million that has its way, will fail to see the potential menace/power the government can and will eventually project.
Incidentally stop accusing the government of unproven nefarious Ethnic Cleansing, using self serving NGO criteria.
Thailand, what next?
I’m not Thai but I have spent a lot of time in Thailand so can say that I know a bit how people think.
And it’s interesting reading this comments from #18, #17, #15, “10.1 and all the others … For me it’s strange that all the educated people, doctors, layers, students, people who are working in hospitals, international companies etc. are supporting the changes and are against corruptions. People on both sides are, but the most profit was made by Taksin and his family.
By the way to bring back into your mind: Mrs. Yingluck was accused to be corruptive – and you all are speaking it’s not the case.
And all the victims that were caused by the armed attacks on the peacefully demonstrating people by the red/black shirts – the “peaceful” ones?
Aaa do you still remember who set on fire the CentralWorld shopping complex during the 2010 Abhisit government crackdown on red-shirt protests there?
The only language that red shirts speak is violence and threatening with civil war … please! This can be done by everyone.
I agree with the fact that the Democrats didn’t succeed with some projects during their regime as someone mentions the Police stations project. But that is because they didn’t bribe people, especially the police who is obviously on the red shirts side. As they couldn’t find any suspects for the last bombings and shootings in Bangkok – but the army found them in one night. Interesting.
Just some facts …
Thailand, what next?
He and his corruptive family are on the 6th place … And most of this fortune was made by embezzlement of government money deducted to help the farmers … so Mr.Cal Piker who is not corrupted?
Thailand, what next?
And you obviously don’t care about all the money that landed in Taksins pocket instead to help the people and the economy of the country …
Thailand, what next?
I agree with Vichai N as I was there … and I’m a westerner, so not involved into any political movement. And also the leader of red/black shirts was threatening with civil war if they remove the most corruptive members of Thaksin/Yingluck family … so who is not violent?
Thailand’s invitation to violence
I knew a young lawyer, early 20s, who was studying to be a judge. I said to her that she surely must be hitting the books late at night studying, and she told me with a completely straight face that she had no homework at all! I have had one personal experience with a court here over a land dispute. It was an absolute disgrace. Even with a chanote the Land Department would not/could not calculate where a missing plot pillar should be located and the court could not/would not compel them to do so. Instead, the neighbor was asked to point where they thought the post should be located and then we had to discuss that back and forth to reach a compromise. You read that right, the neighbor was asked to point out where they thought it should be. This took a year and many appearances.