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Malaysia is not an Islamic state it is a secular state dominated by Malays who rule through deploying Islam and race to make money.Ethical leadership you must be mad
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Since Tun Hussein Onn, none of Malaysia’s prime ministers have been clean. That Prime Minister Najib may be less clean than Pak Lah, does not excuse Pak Lah’s lax rule, anymore than Mahathir’s dictatorial and abusive rule excuses Najib’s blithering leadership. Today, honest Malaysians, for the most part, are to be found outside politics, and the very few honest politicians rarely remain so forever. Truly, in Malaysia, nothing that is good in politics, lasts very long or, in most instances, never happens in the first place.
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[…] Malaysia’s Mr Clean – Greg Lopez […]
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Dear Mr Lopez
It was about time the subject person is examined. Thank you for having kicked the ball.
There are in my view two other issues that’s being over looked, namely ;
1) The Petrol Subsidy
Why was the subsidy stake holders ECM Libra. The govt. calculated the subsidy total sum which was in the billions and appointed ECM Libra as stake holders to disburse it through POS Malaysia. Question. Why ECM Libra? How was the amount derived at? It has to be through JPJ and if so how about the old cars that are still on record but not on the road. Also not everyone claimed. So ECM Libra stood to gain enormously. Why did the govt. not pay directly to POS M? This question begs to be answered.
2) The Crooked Bridge.
Pak Lah was all for the bridge when he took over. Continuity was maintained. All of a sudden without any sign or indication he cancelled the project. Everyone including UMNO was surprised. Why? Could it be Spore was holding a gun at Khairys head. This guy was involved in Spore financial market through ECM Libra. What comes to mind is Tan Koon Swan debacle. Mr Kwan Yew did approach TUN M on this matter and he wanted to cut a deal in his favour. Tun M told him to go fly kites and Koon Swan got arrested. So did history almost repeat it self.
This also brings to mind the much sought after Tanjung Pagar. Najib signed it off without a whisper. Why? Has it got something to do with Mr Kwan Yews visit to Msia almost immediately after Najib make PM. He did not pay respects to Najib but rather to his wife.Why? A few months later the sign over of Tanjung Pagar took place.
In conclusion Mr Lopez, a true Muslim will not get into politics especially the way politics is currently and by this I refer to the other Muslim countries too. It is often said that New Zealand resembles a Muslim country. This is said by Muslims including Malaysian Muslims. Yes I do agree.
Those who call themselves Muslims are actually Mohammadans. Tun M I respect him for one principle reason, he never capitalized on an Islamic image for himself.
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Thank you for sharing your views Sayyed (#3 & #5).
It appears that corruption (or is it patronage?) is widespread ((i.e. systemic) in Malaysia.
I wonder how this will shape/influence the thinking of Muslims in Malaysia about Islam and about Muslims i.e. to paraphase Sean’s questions — how many Muslims will change their views that in Malaysia, it is Muslims in high office that are generally the most corrupt (10% clean, 90% corrupt) and that official push for Islam in Malaysia has not translated into good governance?
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This is outrageous. Greg Lopez, posing as an independent academic, leaves us with the suspicion that he’s actually some sort of apologist for the idea that in Malaysia, being a Muslim might be a prerequisite to being an ethical leader. He says that the book’s analysis, while extensive, “does not provide any definitive answer (the editors acknowledge the difficulty in attempting to do so).” He notes that “Abdullah Badawi understood … the role of Islam in promoting good governance.”
Greg: your efforts at academic detachment are obviously well-intentioned. But you seem to have got yourself into a conceptual muddle. Obviously Islam claims to promote good governance. But for those of us not primarily concerned with doctrinal apologetics, the far more relevant question which you should be trying to come to terms with is: “In Malaysia,to what extent is being a Muslim perceived as a prerequisite to being an ethical leader?”
Opinion on this matter is obviously divided. The book attempts to assess how ethical Badawi and others were by some undefined absolute standard. But it doesn’t seem to have anything to say about how ethical their behaviour was perceived to be, or about whether the ethical dimension of their behaviour was perceived as having anything at all to do with their being Muslims.
The answer to these questions is far from obvious. Some might argue, paradoxically, that being Muslim in fact made Badawi and others less ethical than they otherwise might have been, because it provided a cloak of piety and consequent political invulnerability for what might otherwise have been perceived as unethical behaviour. Some might argue that perceptions of what Muslim ethics prescribe are as varied as perceptions of Islamic doctrine in any other area. We are still waiting for a rigorous academic assessment of the role of Islamic ethics in political perceptions in Malaysia.
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Not an apologist Sean. It’s the reality.
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Mr. Forster,
Your anaemic commentary, oblivious of Malaysian realities, is what is outrageous.
I find nothing apologetic in Greg Lopez’s comments, but I find you apologetic for irrationality, which Malaysia already has in spades, and has had for quite some time.
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Hi, guys. Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately it doesn’t look as though my point got through. Greg notes in his review that the book examines (inconclusively) whether being a Muslim is either a necessary or sufficient condition to providing ethical leadership in Malaysia. It looks to me as though he accepts that this is an interesting – and indeed legitimate – question. The point I was trying to make was that it is neither. No doubt for at least some Muslims it goes without saying that you have to be a Muslim before you can provide ethical leadership, whatever country you’re in. And I suppose that for some political scientists it’s just a sad reality that in Malaysia specifically, in the most literal sense, you have to be a Muslim to become PM and hence to be in a position to provide ethical leadership. My point is somewhat different: the really interesting question is how widespread these views are. I think we can ignore issues of rationality or irrationality. One’s man’s irrationality, after all, is just another man’s rationality. In politics, it’s the hard numbers that really matter. So I’m still waiting for someone to demonstrate to me – with evidence – the extent to which Malays themselves understand that there may be flaws in the Islamic or Malay traditions which could account for the prevailing corruption and the resultant damage to long-term Muslim, Malay and Malaysian interests. (And don’t tell me that Malay or Muslim – or, for that matter, non-Malay or non-Muslim – opinion on such matters is uniform.) Similarly, I’m still waiting for someone to demonstrate the extent to which non-Malays – or indeed all Malaysians – understand what strategic options there may be for getting the country out it’s current political impasse. I don’t expect a firm number. But I wouldn’t mind a judgement based on a realistic analysis. Let’s get some rationality back into this debate! Perhaps we could reformulate the question to be examined along the following lines: “What are the prospects for political reform in the long-term interests of Malaysia and its people as indicated by attitudes to the question of whether being a Muslim is either a necessary or sufficient condition to providing ethical leadership in Malaysia?”
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Thanks for the clarification Sean, and you raise very good research questions.
Although I am sceptical of the hard numbers aspect.
The hard numbers says PM Najib should have been long gone.
The hard numbers says BN should have been long gone.
But both remain, and quite comfortably so?
So, maybe not so much “hard numbers” but rather “the correct numbers, at the correct levels, in the correct organisations/institutions, in the correct region”
Happy to hear your take on this.
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Greg,
Looking at Malaysia now, with more tropical angst than a Conrad novel, it’s any wonder that Malaysia hadn’t been gone quite a while ago. Given the pervasiveness of corruption and “banal immorality”, I highly doubt there will ever be a real housecleaning. I remain to be proven wrong. I won’t pick a winner on Malaysia’s experiment in undermanaged multiculturalism; I just don’t think there is one.
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I think you are right Peter, that there can never be a real housecleaning (appears to be an oligarchy in Malaysia; but I am just wondering how far this path will continue before Malaysia reaches regional standards (e.g. Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Philippines, Myanmar, Vietnam).
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Greg,
The recent election in Singapore has shown people want change, they may just not want it with SDP (though one can never be too sure, even in micromanaged Singapore). I agree with you about the rest of ASEAN, sans Vietnam. It’s hard to compare durians and longans, one oligarchic (I think you are correct) nation with a neo-HCM China-lite nation, that still has a way to go on freedom, but consider it took half as long for Vietnam to attain the same Per Capita GNP as Thailand, as Malaysia achieved about 2x Thailand’s PC-GNP. When I went to HCMC, I thought I was in Taipei and Hanoi is not the run down French mirage, you see in Indochine (of course, Catherine Deneuve is not in Hanoi at the moment, either). At the moment, the battles in Vietnam, not to be discounted mind you, are political and ideological and, of course, Vietnam wanting to be the China of ASEAN (forgetting ASEAN already has one, Singapore) but not wanting the Chinese domination that old Annam had to suffer for several hundred years. In Vietnam’s favour is relative homogeneity. Yes, there are ethnic Chinese, Khmers, Muslim Cham, and some “tribal” groups, but honestly, the VCP worries more about Vietnamese poets than ethnic Chinese merchants in HCMC (for the present). This is why the Penang Division of Intel and Dell are (or have) moving to HCMC. Even Dalat in Hue, a phenomenally beautiful city and Province, has industrial zones. In the case of Vietnam, though again with different demographies and history, I might not include in your list (but, yes to the rest). No real elections in Vietnam, no going against the VCP, persecution of demonstrative democrats, Catholics, poets, Cao Dai followers, and foreigners sometimes, all granted, but I don’t hear so many Vietnamese whining, which I think you will agree is a favourite pastime in Malaysia. I can’t say for sure, but in the case of economic growth and even economic equity, if nothing else, I think it is Vietnam that may soon leave Malaysia in the malaise of oligarchic and cultural factionalism; after all, Malaysia has one rather assertive religion, assiduously followed by most Malays, while the religion of Vietnam is money, lah. Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Cao Daism, Catholicism and even Islam for the Cham in Vietnam, is mostly just icing on the cake.
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In response to your comments below Peter.
You are right.
True that the people of Vietnam do not whine (like Malaysians) and prefer to get on with the business of making money; but I doubt there is space for them to whine Peter. The heavy hand of the government there is — very heavy. Besides there are lots of material wealth to catch-up too. Serious reforms only began late 70s/early 80s; and as you noted, the existential threat is real. None of which are in Malaysia — which explains why Malaysians whine — it’s a luxury we can afford.
But no doubt, that Vietnam will soon leave the rest of ASEAN (sans Singapore) trailing.
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The reality is a perception that’s been inculcated over time by UMNO. The MCA President was the Prime Minister for a very short time when UMNO ver.1 was declared illegal by the courts.
So this means that a non Malay/Mohammadan can be the Prime Minister. The issue is, as long as UMNO is in power this it has to be a Malay Mohammadan. Note Tun Mahatir is not a blue blood Malay Mohammadan and this was being questioned by the Malay on the street and the civil service too was trying to sabotage him. Hence he took a firm position and took on an identity of a super Malay. It’s all about gaining power and staying in power. The preceding Prime Ministers were all also not blue blooded Malays.
Islam is all about righteousness and the subscribers to Islam are guided to be righteous but sadly may find only about 10%.
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Sean
Malaysia thus far had only one ethical Prime Minister and that is, Tun Hussein Onn. The yard stick will be the case of MIC President Manicavasagm where he had converted to Islam which was a well kept secret and died when he was still in office.
The Islamic authorities were there to claim the body and a tussel ensued between the Islamic and MIC Hindus. Tun Hussein intervened and told the Islamists to back of and let them proceed with Hindu rites.
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Greg Lopez,
The question that you brought up is an easy question and hence it has a simple answers to it.
is being a Muslim a prerequisite to being an ethical leader?
A simple no would be enough. This is because, being a muslim alone does not guarantee one follows and abide by the teaching of islam itself. It is not the title “muslim” that matters. What malaysia need is, a leader who govern this country by virtue of islamic principles ie. Justice, zero corruption, clean etc. The best is to have a muslim leader who follows the islamic teachings in running his government.
But, having said that, a non muslim leader (as in singapore, japan, new zealand) who believes and leads the country with the same islamic principles (no corruption, justice, charitable) is way far more superior than a muslim who governs the country against the islamic principles. And that is what the country need.
At the end of the day, the virtues of the leaders is the yardstick that should be used to choose leaders rather than his religion. Because a muslim leader who go against the principles that are demanded from a leader will be held accountable before God during Judgment day, and will be punished accordingly.
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Thanks Mary for your views.
Whether “God” will punish someone is a great idea but I think punishing people who break the law here and now (within a framework of human rights) is more effective.
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Sayyed – Islam is all about righteousness and the subscribers to Islam are guided to be righteous
Ha Ha ha Ha Ha … comic statement of the day!
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neptunian – Yes, ha ha ha indeed and it appears that you may be counted as one for you hide behind ‘neptunian’. The IS blokes cover their faces and so do you.
Give it a thought!!!!!
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– All my friends call me neptunian – DUH
BTW, to think, one must engage brain – to keep saying Islam is righteous and merciful, while slaughtering anyone who do not toe the line is ludicrous.
I am not asking you to “think about it” – I am saying, please engage brain. While you are at it, please name just one (1) Islamic country that is “righteous and merciful” as define by normally civilised people, not by the Islamist
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@Neptunian
Malaysia in 1960, Turkey in 1960, Indonesia in 1960 and Lebanon in 1960. Today ? Hahaha…..Indonesia is the last test case left and will fail because civil and Shari’a Law can never coexist. Kazakhstan is an exception because it is run by a USSR holdover. As soon as there is a coup, Islamists will tale over in Almaty. Essentially, you are correct, Neptunian, as usual.
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C’mon Neptunian, you can’t use the civilized norms of the 21st century to measure them. They are living in Prophet Muhammed’s time. By the way, does Neptunian really have a pig-like nose, purple skin, and four arms? LOL
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Neptunian –
If you can understand what I said and I quote;
” Islam is all about righteousness
and the subscribers to Islam are
guided to be righteous but sadly
may find only about 10%.”
I believe your question had been answered. My friends call me Frankie.
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Hi Sayyed,
You have touched the central question.
Seeing that only the minority (10%?) of faith adherents (of any religion) seek righteousness (we just have to look at human history to verify this), would it be more sensible to remove powers of religion from the public arena?
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Hi Greg
Without a doubt and not just sensible, it is mandatory to remove powers of religion from the public arena and along with it race too. All political parties which upholds a religious or race ideology must be banned.
The problem in Malaysia is that the fundamental system is rooted in religion (Islam) and race (Bumiputra). This has been so since the day of independence which is what is detrimental to this nation and the extent of it can be seen today.
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Malaysia will very urgently and purposefully need to address the problem you the problem you highlighted (below).
Any suggestions on how this might be done?
“…The problem in Malaysia is that the fundamental system is rooted in religion (Islam) and race (Bumiputra). This has been so since the day of independence which is what is detrimental to this nation and the extent of it can be seen today…”
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Hi Greg,
Its an intricate web to get into. UMNO Baru(not UMNO) is a very complex and self serving entity and this has to be broken, though not impossible albeit an up hill task.
Two significant factors that has to be taken into consideration is that namely; the country is still in a state of emergency and secondly another engineered May 13 and the country gets back to a NOC government.
Another factor is the electoral system. Its based on parliamentary seats not majority number of votes. So to stay in power all that needs to be done is delineation of parliamentary constituencies depending on which direction the wind is blowing. In all probability BN either lost GE13 or just scrapped through.
The opposition are running around like headless chickens.
So the solution lies within UMNO Baru or UMNO Baru gets de-registered for whatever reason and a United Malaysian National Organisation(UMNO) comes into being along the lines of Onn Jaffars aspirations. The best bed will be for Tengku Razaleigh to lead this and we may see some light at the end of the tunnel. BN is done away with all together along MIC and MCA.
Currently there is a lot brewing in the country and more so within UMNO Baru which could spell the demise of this entity or a complete change over or utter disaster.
On the sidelines Johor is flexing its muscles and I don’t wish to take this lightly. May end up with one less state and an Islamic republic being declared and a First President and First Lady in the making. This may sound far fetched but looking at the current scenario and the blatant abuse of power, I say why not? The buttons are being pushed beyond imagination.
The situation now is far more intricate than it was before GE13 and the man on the Bronc is not about to give up.
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Very significant insights Sayyed.
It appears far-fetched but these days nothings is entirely far-fetched.
It would be a pity if this is what Malaysia comes too, but then again, we reap what we sow.
I wonder if ordinary Malaysians could themselves do something about it, rather than relying on “existing leaders”.
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The answer, Greg, is a strongly affirmative “YES”…………….
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We use 21st Century norms to judge you Joe Blow, and furthermore, as we have only one planet (there is no DUNE, sorry Frank Herbert), we have to live with Muslims on this one planet somehow. Muslims say they want respect from non-Muslims; how would judging them by 7th Century standards afford respect ? Respect may not necessarily lead to concordance or tolerance, but then no one can say they were judged by false ahistorical paradigms. In return, we also ask Muslims to judge non-Muslims by 21st Century standards. Read the Jesuit parable about the man, the banquet and the long spoons.
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I think joe blow is being ironical and cynical. he he.
And no, Joe, neptunians do not have four arms and pig nose, but do have ego slightly smaller than brains – which bodes well for society..
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I know you have brain, and humor, too. But no four arms. I am an average Joe bemused by all the sounds and furies in this forum and your post is like a breeze of fresh air.
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