Those Bengali muslims populations are so uncontrollable, and influx like virus in that region crossing myanmar/Burma and Bangladesh boarder in everyday since decades ago. All UN agencies and NGOs know very much about it, but they say nothing, and just making money out of it creating projects after projects.
You are a thing of wanting to protect the human rights of minority people. To be divided a human rights and minorities,majority.But respect each other would be basic? And human rights are also asked not unilaterally attack the opponent. When minorities attack the majority,the majority also take a action.
please be careful to use words. Rohinja is not a Muslim minority.They are Rohinja,This is not a religious issue.
This is not religious nor racial conflict but a foreign invasion, a land grabbing operation by Jihadists Chittagongnian Bengalis who called themselves Rohingyas.
Do not drag Buddha nor Christ into this political and military issue,
we were not born yesterday.
Weekly Eleven, normally one of the better domestic journals, has been shameful. Their headline today, ‘Bengali Rohingyas prowl around outside Rakhine city’, is one of many many attempts to paint the Rohingya as feral beasts.
There needs to be acknowledgement that racism pervades Burmese society (check so-called pro-democracy icon, Ko Ko Gyi: “We want to say clearly that Rohingya are not one of the Myanmar ethnic nationalities. We do not accept any kind of terrorism. We have a duty to protect any Myanmar citizen that is harmed whatever their religion or ethnicity.”). If it’s not confronted, it’ll continue to boil.
Perhaps David(#58) if Thaksin is “innocent” of all charges as you claim, you could explain how three of three of his lawyers working on his corruption charge ended up being convicted for sending a cash-filled pastry box to court officials.
If you could explain that, I’ll take your word for it that Beloved Red Leader Thaksin is really truly absolutely definitely innocent of all Thai judicial charges. Honest!
The reason why I have no interest in putting any questions to RA is becuase I’m specifically interested in Andrew Spooner’s position here.
Spooner has taken a huge amount of time to launch attacks on a number of journalists, activists, academics, commentators, NOGs etc because they refuse to use his approved terminology or toe a given politcal line or agenda. He comes across in a very high-minded manner on these issues — kind of like a knight on a shining white horse — but he becomes very uncomfortable when his writing and commentary is held to a similar level of scrutiny.
Andrew has said he “knows” Amsterdam’s application to the ICC was done in good faith. (I’m not bothered by Amsterdam he is doing a job he is paid to do by Thaksin.) I asked Andrew how he knew this, how many times he had met with Amsterdam to discuss the matter and what Amsterdam said to him to convince him that the application was made in good faith. Andrew refuse to answer this in a convincing way, as is his habit when he’s pulled up on specific points.
“If OWWB is right about the PTP, then the same is also true for the Democrat Party.”
That’s a little simplistic Ralph… The main part of the success of TRT/PPP/PTP is the fact that people know who they are voting for…. And it wasn’t Chalerm Yubamrung…. Part of the failure of the Democrats is to do with lack of cohesion and a complete lack of purpose.
I’m surprised to see such an article on ANU website. Hi Mr. Sai Soe Win Latt, please take your time to check spelling, don’t be too rush to propagate. 🙂 How many hours did you spend on facebook to write such an extensive article? Instead of doing PhD in Canada, I’d like you invite to Myanmar and learn more about Myanmar history. Don’t worry about being Kalar, we’re not Islamophobia as you said.
We’ve been living peacefully for years with different religions in our country, because we, 135 ethnics groups, share some common belief, religions, or traditions between us. But for rohingya, we have nothing in common. They are not part of us. That’s why we’re protecting us, spend some more time in facebook to know how the military is handling this case. ok? Thanks.
If we beleive that “majority-rule” means the right of “war veterans” in Zimbabwe to genocide white farmers and steal their farms…. then we have to give the same rights of self-determination to the Myanmarese majority. They, and they alone, can define their nationality. If the Rohingyas have got themselves into a jam, they can go where the white farmers in Rhodesia had to go. We cannot have a double standard.
In all of the hate and anger contained in some of the above comments, I wonder where is Buddha and what would Buddha think of his Buddhist “disciples” and “followers” in the ever-so-Buddhist nation, Myanmar year 2555…………
This is a nice, long and mostly acceptable article about the latest developments in Burma.
I have a long list to agree with the author but choose only to present one of my experience.
Once, a former military sergeant told us about the Bengali Kalars in Rakhine State, believing that we are trustworthy enough to talk because we were young socialist cadres.
“We were soldiers by day and killers by night. We terminate Kalar families who live at the fringe areas of towns and villages.”
If OWWB is right about the PTP, then the same is also true for the Democrat Party. They are a proxy for a man too, although he comes with considerable family baggage. But I guess OWWB could just be wrong.
Now, the numerous incidents of large-scale violence are centering at Maungdaw which is a large town at the border with Bangladesh. In Maungdaw, the population ratio is like 98:2 between Bengali Muslims (Rohingyas) and ethnic Rakhaing. This statistic alone sufficiently suggests who are the perpetrators and who are victims.
When you analyse a situation, you have to see both sides of a coin. Don’t play underdog game which Jihadist Rohingya terrorists have perfected. See the real victims, Arakanese are suffering from aggressor invaders self-styled as Rohingya. See pictures yourself: http://facebook.com/hmuu.zaw
Some facts are wrong. The first one is “Some Facebook users even offer money to those whoever would rape and kill Muslims in Arakan State.”
This fact is not totally acceptable at all. Because I never see in facebook users of myanmar buddhist people trying that way. But I can say some of facebook users collecting donation money to support victims, arakan people, who have to run for lives from Rohingya Terrorists’ attack and insecure.
First off, Maung Zarni is a charlatan with no understanding of Burmese history or economics for that matter.
The word kalar has a nuanced history and is by no means derogatory. (Nor does it mean “cross over”, as nationalist Burmese would have it, with their folk etymology.) For most of Burmese history, it has been a neutral word, referring to peoples west of Burma (typically South Asia and beyond), in the same way Tayoke referred to peoples north of Burma (not just the Chinese, until recently). For one, the renowned Burmese chronicler (of the Maha Yazawingyi) bore the name Kala.
That kalar has come to be seen as a pejorative word (by the disempowered minority) does however, reflect the racial relations between Burmese and Indian-‘looking’ peoples. The Burmese community is doing what it does best: making much ado about nothing…
And the international media has not been much better at providing a reliable account of the events in the past week… Thanks for this write up, Ko Sai.
Well, there is an obvious candidate waiting in the Dem wings – Deputy Leader Korn. On the plus side, there’s his conspicuous (and some would say anything but accidental) absence from at least public involvement in the 2010 events. On the minus side, he’s said to be very unpopular among southern Dems – which these days means most Dems.
Then again, there’s his recent bizarre letter* to Bkk Post (previously rehearsed in a string of Tweets). Too much of it to deconstruct fully here, but a few elements deserve to be highlighted.
“The government should do away with the amnesty bills, stop red gatherings…” [So, goodbye to a couple of items guaranteed by the constitution]
“In return the Democrats will stop our political rallies and we can help set a new tone of peace and reconciliation with the people, the media and the community radio stations. “ [Sounds perilously close to a classic protection racket approach]
“If the government succeeds in solving the country’s problems and the people continue to vote for a Pheu Thai government (and the Democrats keep coming in second in the ballots) then that is fine with us.” [You promise? That last part must have many really wondering if Korn has totally lost it. Never mind politicians, even J.P. Morgan’s boardrooms don’t hold with that kind of talk]
And to close:
“Let’s all stop the politics, let’s stop all the mobilisation and let’s all start afresh by giving real reconciliation and the rule of law a chance.” [Fairly clear why he didn’t open with that first phrase – very few would have bothered reading any further]
But Plan B, “The Australian government/other Western nations” do want to keep the military as it is now better with Aung San Suu Kyi hypnotising the whole country and the righteous international public to refrain from criticism of the military or condemnation regardless of their heinous action and full support of their “development”- one dollar a day jobs- millions of them/ pipes/ ports/ rails/mines/ many more to come soon– plans.
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Those Bengali muslims populations are so uncontrollable, and influx like virus in that region crossing myanmar/Burma and Bangladesh boarder in everyday since decades ago. All UN agencies and NGOs know very much about it, but they say nothing, and just making money out of it creating projects after projects.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
You are a thing of wanting to protect the human rights of minority people. To be divided a human rights and minorities,majority.But respect each other would be basic? And human rights are also asked not unilaterally attack the opponent. When minorities attack the majority,the majority also take a action.
please be careful to use words. Rohinja is not a Muslim minority.They are Rohinja,This is not a religious issue.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
This is not religious nor racial conflict but a foreign invasion, a land grabbing operation by Jihadists Chittagongnian Bengalis who called themselves Rohingyas.
Do not drag Buddha nor Christ into this political and military issue,
we were not born yesterday.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Strong and brave analysis – many thanks.
Weekly Eleven, normally one of the better domestic journals, has been shameful. Their headline today, ‘Bengali Rohingyas prowl around outside Rakhine city’, is one of many many attempts to paint the Rohingya as feral beasts.
There needs to be acknowledgement that racism pervades Burmese society (check so-called pro-democracy icon, Ko Ko Gyi: “We want to say clearly that Rohingya are not one of the Myanmar ethnic nationalities. We do not accept any kind of terrorism. We have a duty to protect any Myanmar citizen that is harmed whatever their religion or ethnicity.”). If it’s not confronted, it’ll continue to boil.
Reconciliation games
Perhaps David(#58) if Thaksin is “innocent” of all charges as you claim, you could explain how three of three of his lawyers working on his corruption charge ended up being convicted for sending a cash-filled pastry box to court officials.
If you could explain that, I’ll take your word for it that Beloved Red Leader Thaksin is really truly absolutely definitely innocent of all Thai judicial charges. Honest!
Reconciliation games
The reason why I have no interest in putting any questions to RA is becuase I’m specifically interested in Andrew Spooner’s position here.
Spooner has taken a huge amount of time to launch attacks on a number of journalists, activists, academics, commentators, NOGs etc because they refuse to use his approved terminology or toe a given politcal line or agenda. He comes across in a very high-minded manner on these issues — kind of like a knight on a shining white horse — but he becomes very uncomfortable when his writing and commentary is held to a similar level of scrutiny.
Andrew has said he “knows” Amsterdam’s application to the ICC was done in good faith. (I’m not bothered by Amsterdam he is doing a job he is paid to do by Thaksin.) I asked Andrew how he knew this, how many times he had met with Amsterdam to discuss the matter and what Amsterdam said to him to convince him that the application was made in good faith. Andrew refuse to answer this in a convincing way, as is his habit when he’s pulled up on specific points.
Reconciliation games
#63 Ralph
“If OWWB is right about the PTP, then the same is also true for the Democrat Party.”
That’s a little simplistic Ralph… The main part of the success of TRT/PPP/PTP is the fact that people know who they are voting for…. And it wasn’t Chalerm Yubamrung…. Part of the failure of the Democrats is to do with lack of cohesion and a complete lack of purpose.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
I’m surprised to see such an article on ANU website. Hi Mr. Sai Soe Win Latt, please take your time to check spelling, don’t be too rush to propagate. 🙂 How many hours did you spend on facebook to write such an extensive article? Instead of doing PhD in Canada, I’d like you invite to Myanmar and learn more about Myanmar history. Don’t worry about being Kalar, we’re not Islamophobia as you said.
We’ve been living peacefully for years with different religions in our country, because we, 135 ethnics groups, share some common belief, religions, or traditions between us. But for rohingya, we have nothing in common. They are not part of us. That’s why we’re protecting us, spend some more time in facebook to know how the military is handling this case. ok? Thanks.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
If we beleive that “majority-rule” means the right of “war veterans” in Zimbabwe to genocide white farmers and steal their farms…. then we have to give the same rights of self-determination to the Myanmarese majority. They, and they alone, can define their nationality. If the Rohingyas have got themselves into a jam, they can go where the white farmers in Rhodesia had to go. We cannot have a double standard.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
In all of the hate and anger contained in some of the above comments, I wonder where is Buddha and what would Buddha think of his Buddhist “disciples” and “followers” in the ever-so-Buddhist nation, Myanmar year 2555…………
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
This is a nice, long and mostly acceptable article about the latest developments in Burma.
I have a long list to agree with the author but choose only to present one of my experience.
Once, a former military sergeant told us about the Bengali Kalars in Rakhine State, believing that we are trustworthy enough to talk because we were young socialist cadres.
“We were soldiers by day and killers by night. We terminate Kalar families who live at the fringe areas of towns and villages.”
Reconciliation games
If OWWB is right about the PTP, then the same is also true for the Democrat Party. They are a proxy for a man too, although he comes with considerable family baggage. But I guess OWWB could just be wrong.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Now, the numerous incidents of large-scale violence are centering at Maungdaw which is a large town at the border with Bangladesh. In Maungdaw, the population ratio is like 98:2 between Bengali Muslims (Rohingyas) and ethnic Rakhaing. This statistic alone sufficiently suggests who are the perpetrators and who are victims.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
When you analyse a situation, you have to see both sides of a coin. Don’t play underdog game which Jihadist Rohingya terrorists have perfected. See the real victims, Arakanese are suffering from aggressor invaders self-styled as Rohingya. See pictures yourself:
http://facebook.com/hmuu.zaw
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Some facts are wrong. The first one is “Some Facebook users even offer money to those whoever would rape and kill Muslims in Arakan State.”
This fact is not totally acceptable at all. Because I never see in facebook users of myanmar buddhist people trying that way. But I can say some of facebook users collecting donation money to support victims, arakan people, who have to run for lives from Rohingya Terrorists’ attack and insecure.
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
First off, Maung Zarni is a charlatan with no understanding of Burmese history or economics for that matter.
The word kalar has a nuanced history and is by no means derogatory. (Nor does it mean “cross over”, as nationalist Burmese would have it, with their folk etymology.) For most of Burmese history, it has been a neutral word, referring to peoples west of Burma (typically South Asia and beyond), in the same way Tayoke referred to peoples north of Burma (not just the Chinese, until recently). For one, the renowned Burmese chronicler (of the Maha Yazawingyi) bore the name Kala.
That kalar has come to be seen as a pejorative word (by the disempowered minority) does however, reflect the racial relations between Burmese and Indian-‘looking’ peoples. The Burmese community is doing what it does best: making much ado about nothing…
And the international media has not been much better at providing a reliable account of the events in the past week… Thanks for this write up, Ko Sai.
Reconciliation games
c60
Well, there is an obvious candidate waiting in the Dem wings – Deputy Leader Korn. On the plus side, there’s his conspicuous (and some would say anything but accidental) absence from at least public involvement in the 2010 events. On the minus side, he’s said to be very unpopular among southern Dems – which these days means most Dems.
Then again, there’s his recent bizarre letter* to Bkk Post (previously rehearsed in a string of Tweets). Too much of it to deconstruct fully here, but a few elements deserve to be highlighted.
“The government should do away with the amnesty bills, stop red gatherings…” [So, goodbye to a couple of items guaranteed by the constitution]
“In return the Democrats will stop our political rallies and we can help set a new tone of peace and reconciliation with the people, the media and the community radio stations. “ [Sounds perilously close to a classic protection racket approach]
“If the government succeeds in solving the country’s problems and the people continue to vote for a Pheu Thai government (and the Democrats keep coming in second in the ballots) then that is fine with us.” [You promise? That last part must have many really wondering if Korn has totally lost it. Never mind politicians, even J.P. Morgan’s boardrooms don’t hold with that kind of talk]
And to close:
“Let’s all stop the politics, let’s stop all the mobilisation and let’s all start afresh by giving real reconciliation and the rule of law a chance.” [Fairly clear why he didn’t open with that first phrase – very few would have bothered reading any further]
* http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/297248/we-can-work-together
Intolerance, Islam and the Internet in Burma
Don’t propagate the sugarecoated and reverse news while Bengali Immigrants (Rohingya) are killing innocent local Rakhine on their own land.
Citizen media is the power of netizens. Citizen media is to prevent fake facts plotted by mainstream media.
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/06/10/myanmar-rakhine-villages-attacked/
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But Plan B, “The Australian government/other Western nations” do want to keep the military as it is now better with Aung San Suu Kyi hypnotising the whole country and the righteous international public to refrain from criticism of the military or condemnation regardless of their heinous action and full support of their “development”- one dollar a day jobs- millions of them/ pipes/ ports/ rails/mines/ many more to come soon– plans.
So no hope there. Good try.