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  1. Orinoco Woof Woof Blanco says:

    #52 Andrew Spooner

    “Don’t you think its interesting that not one major Bangkok-based media outlet mentioned even the PAD’s own threats to “destroy democracy’? I do.”

    All media outlets have devoted an awful lot of coverage to the PAD over the years. No one has enough space in every news report to publish a thesis on the rounded complexities of each and every player each time they are mentioned.

    “What I can’t figure out though is why you’d think that is evidence of some kind of conspiracy though.”

    Where did I use the word conspiracy?

    “It’s not that important. ”

    Indeed its not.

    “and surely it would be more insidious if I was working for an international media outlet”

    Not much chance of that unless your writing and powers of analysis improve I am afraid.

    ” an international media outlet that claims to be impartial, broadcasting around the world, with an audience of millions, and not mentioning glaring, very visible and important facts?

    Every single one of them? All the time? In all reports? Its seems like the only people who criticize the international media as much as you are the PAD…. And they really hate the international media.

    “Parliament standing up to the constitutional court would be a direct threat to the amaart. If they do this we’re into new territory and anything can happen.”

    Sure….. But why do you still refuse to address the questions about the government of the day and their pressing for all crimes (including those of the leaders of the PAD) to be forgotten? Or their statements on 112?… Do you defend the statements of Chalerm Yubamrung or, indeed, the fact that he is in office in the first place?

    Any thoughts on that?

    # 50 Andrew Spooner

    ” I also think reducing Thailand to one continual flow of Buddhist imagery has a touch of Orientalism about it.”

    Reducing Thailand?…. What an absurd thing to write. These things are called ‘commissions’ or ‘work’….Work is something we do to earn a living. Writers and photographers do ‘assignments’. They are not always statements of vision. I could equally criticize you for writing endless cuddly reviews of boutique hotels…. But I don’t do it because it happens to be the work you do to put rice on the table and I also have admiration for your cutting edge and in depth analysis of soft furnishings…. Stuff you write for money presumably. What relevance does any of this comment this have to do with the government of the day, the constitutional court or any of the issues in hand?… Your red herrings are geting ever more surreal Andrew.

  2. Andrew Johnson says:

    This sounds terribly familiar. Where have I heard this before?

    – The investigation is ongoing. There is a committee.
    – We’re trying our best to find out who is at fault and we will bring them to justice if anyone is found.
    – The foreign media don’t understand the complexities of this investigation, so they should back off, even if the issue seems rather cut-and-dried from the outside.
    – We will announce results very soon (just wait… and wait… and wait…)

    Sounds an awful lot like the hunt for those who fired the shots two years ago…

    Or, strangely enough, the hunt for the “real killer” of Nicole Brown Simpson.

  3. Ron Torrence says:

    Charles, 17. If we weren’t all confused we would not be making all of these sarcastic comments to a sarcastic blog :-)) . I for one, cannot understand why Roman Numerals are still used, I am confused by them, and had difficulty remembering what the proper number should be, I have trouble over 12, which is on many clocks…that I will never buy. I won’t even start about Thai numerals

  4. Owen Thomas says:

    With regard to the comments about Amnesty International being a private company not a charity, this seems to be based either on a lack of knowledge of English and Welsh law or perhaps a willful distortion.

    Under statute in England and Wales, there is no legal body known as a charity. However legal bodies can have charitable status and are often referred to as charities. Normally they are trusts, which have applied to the Charity Commission for charitable status, but they can also be limited companies.

    A quick check of the Charity Commission’s website shows Amnesty International Charity Limited is registered as having charitable status under registration number 294230. Plenty of information can be found about them on the website including the annual accounts that are required to be submitted to the Charity Commission.

    It is also possible to find the same information about the related Amnesty International UK Section Charitable Trust (registration number 1051681). It is noticeable that only the Trust is recorded as having employees.

  5. treble says:

    Nick (#23)

    I dream of a quite life, opening a small restaurant with my wife

    I don’t mean to be discouraging but, from my experience and others I know, opening a small restaurant (with or without wife) is not a recipe for any kind of quiet life. At least not for the first ten years or so.

    Good luck though with it all

  6. Ohn says:

    Try as one might, hard to stay straight-faced as an onlooker.

    Ed Norton’s argument in Peoples vs Larry Flint: The very idea of Rev. Jerry Falwell making out with his mother in the outhouse is so ludicrous that it cannot possibly constitute as a libel.

  7. Andrew Spooner says:

    Dan

    “Why are you inanely blogging about the PAD rather than those who have the power to change things for the better and are not doing that?”

    You mean the Constitutional Court? The Senate? The Army?

    Or do you think democracy functions in Thailand the same way as it does in other democracies, that all functions of state are under elected civilian control and that executive power resides in the elected lower house and cabinet only?

    As for the PAD – I think they’re “bigging” themselves up well-enough without my help and being ably assisted by their allies in the Democrat Party while doing so. To attempt to pass off last weeks antics as meaningless seems very odd. Why would you want to do that?

    You’ve got my article a bit wrong though – it’s more a critique of the media reporting of the PAD than the PAD themselves. Don’t you think its interesting that not one major Bangkok-based media outlet mentioned even the PAD’s own threats to “destroy democracy’? I do.

    What I can’t figure out though is why you’d think that is evidence of some kind of conspiracy though. It’s just a blog post with a relatively small readership. It’s not that important. And surely it would be more insidious if I was working for an international media outlet that claims to be impartial, broadcasting around the world, with an audience of millions, and not mentioning glaring, very visible and important facts?

    There are a ton of problems and issues about the “reconciliation” plan and the “amnesty”. However, from how I understand it, any “deal” securing that is now dead in the water.

    The shenanigans at the constitutional court now seems to be the most pressing and urgent issue facing Thai democracy. Many are claiming a “judicial coup” is being rolled out. Nitirat, Chaturon and various others are already highlighting the courts actions as being very problematic.

    Chaturon is quoted in the BKK Post as saying

    “I would like to suggest that parliament disobey the Constitution Court’s order, which is illegitimate, and go ahead and hold a joint sitting to vote on the bill in the third reading.”

    Parliament standing up to the constitutional court would be a direct threat to the amaart. If they do this we’re into new territory and anything can happen.

    Any thoughts on that?

  8. Ohn says:

    U Moe Aung,

    Thanks for your links.

    The electricity issue is a clear example of failings of both systems. Public ownership tends to be bloated and wasteful and private ownership gives cartel-ization.

    State monopoly capitalism is simply an off-shoot of this phenomenon even though the UK economic analysis was too hard to follow. There is somewhat friendlier explanation of it here. http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_3/15_3_3.pdf

    Borrowing some of your words, in some sense the whole philosophy of state monopoly capitalism is intellectual laziness with the masses being ignored until Daw Kyi May Kaung’s French Revolution happens. And a renewed attempt of controlling the masses happens again.

    Again here one must be conscious that Robespierre himself being guillotined. But not because the fundamental driving forces were wrong, but because of the dictatorial ship, selfishness, and secrecy of his own machinations going back to Farmer Jone’s pigs again.

    Coming back to earth, it is remarkable that notwithstanding much vaulted the organizational chaos of Aung San Suu Kyi and a supposedly vexed Thein Sein, the ILO with rose coloured labour report, Aung San Suu Kyi’s “we want all jobs” rhetoric and Than Htay’s sneaking outing of opening of the SEZ’s, the current Thein Sein/ Aung San Suu Kyi plan for the benefit of the masses of Burma becomes established.

    Labour intensive, lowest wage ( Hlaing Thar Yar are striking for 1.2 US dollars a day) less than subsistence wage jobs for the masses. That is what the people’s leader S strived to achieve for the “Time-bombs”. Lowest wage jobs. Hooray!!!! Derek Tonkin would say these Burmese should be grateful. Millions of slave jobs.

    While it is understandable for Thein Sein’s part, it is very hard to swallow that half a century of misery, murders, tortures, incarceration and displacement are for simply the people to have themselves inhumanely exploited right at home rather than having to go to foreign countries. It is the unkindest cut on the people’s own champion’s part. Unfortunately it may not be accepted even by the multitude who clamoured for her.

    On another matter,it is heart warming to see that some of the people of Mae Hla camp came to see her (and missed her) not for themselves but for the Kachin. People are puzzled why she can ignore the most horrible plight. http://moemaka.com/2012/06/24006/

    Sad news: https://www.facebook.com/ygnpress?ref=tn_tnmn

    There may be a making of a beginning of racial violence. Yesterday in Taung Kok and at this very minute in Sit-twe.

    The Arakenese are not likely to have more hatred for the other just this week compared to the last century but the background social injustice and economic difficulties are finding their ugly way out. Narinjara (Arakenese) news describes the Taung kok killings as accident. It may makes things worse.

    http://www.narinjara.com/main/index.php/8-people-killed-in-bus-accident-in-arakan/

  9. Orinoco Woof Woof Blanco says:

    #46 Andrew Spooner

    Another dreadful piece of writing from Andrew Spooner…..

    The PAD don’t matter. Their behaviour the other day was appalling but Sonthi Lim and all the other tired faces have only very minimal (although fanatical) support…. They are nothing.

    What is your interest in trying to big up the PAD as a ‘bogey man’ rather than address the issue of how the government of the day deals with the real issues at hand? Why are you doing this?

    Why don’t you post on the present government and how they are addressing the real issues of 112, the betrayal of the progressive wing of the Red Shirt movement and the ‘amnesty’ that only one man wants that inherently reinforces the reality of ‘impunity’ by absolving all those with power whilst ignoring those who don’t….. many of whom are now pushing up the daisies and singing along with the choir invisibule?….

    Impunity in Thailand these days is re branded as ‘reconciliation’….. Andrew why are you inanely blogging about the PAD rather than those who have the power to change things for the better and are not doing that?…. Who is pulling your strings?

  10. Charles Dawkins says:

    Ron Torrence 11

    But who has been insulted? Rama XIII or Rama WIII or Rama himself?
    Is he the blue one in the Avatar movie?
    I’m getting really confused now.

  11. Jesse says:

    By the way, majorities of proofreaders at Bangkok Post are Australians. Surprisingly ? Not !

  12. Ond┼Щej Kodytek says:

    Pete S #3:

    Thanks for the mobile site link. As for the URL,…
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/296308/you-can-write-anything-here

  13. K. Gruner says:

    Unfortunately the links do not work any more. This guy changes his site too often, I suppose.

  14. Winston says:

    I agree with Thant Myint U. We should preserve all our historical heritage. As a Mandalayan I still miss our Mandalay Zegyo and condemn Bogyoke Tun Kyi for being leader of the pack. They were there to make money only, ignoring the fact about the beauty and historical importance of our city.

  15. Andrew Spooner says:

    Dan/Orinoco

    “You never really explain why or how more pressure should be applied to this elected government, in place now, concerning their avowed support for 112”

    I dunno, I think helping to get questions raised in the UK Houses of Parliament on the subject (while not epoch changing) as I did after the death of Ah Kong, is a darn site more of an effort to hold this government to account than taking photos of temples or commenting under a false name on a blog.

    To be honest Dan, I think you’re actually quite a gifted photograph. Although, personally, I also think reducing Thailand to one continual flow of Buddhist imagery has a touch of Orientalism about it.

    http://www.newmandala.org/2012/05/17/lese-majeste-makes-it-to-uk-parliament/

    http://www.danwhite.org/Temples_of_Thailand_Extracts.pdf

  16. Chris Beale says:

    Postman – for the 12th, or 13th time ! (posts) – you are pulling our legs. And deserve leg-irons for such !

  17. Andrew Spooner says:

    For anyone who’s interested I’ve written a piece about the international media’s refusal to accurately report the PAD’s political agenda here –

    http://bit.ly/JE5d5W

    Maybe people are scared of them? Or maybe some people’s anti-Thaksin activism and position has pushed them towards accepting neo-fascism as normal?

  18. Don James says:

    An update: this week a Thai investigative journalist from Thaipublica.net asked Chula’s president Prof Pirom Kamol-Rattanakul about his delay in acting. Pirom claimed that (a) ‘’Foreign reporters may not understand the complexity of the investigation”; (b) the ‘investigating committee’ faced delays because it could not force outside witnesses to come and testify; and (c) there are several possible outcomes. He promised that the Council would decide by the end of June.

    Hmm. Having found 80% plagiarism in the thesis in April 2010, the investigation was over and at that point became a disciplinary matter, in which revocation of any fraudulently obtained degree would be an automatic and required formality. Perhaps Dr Pirom could tell us why 2 years later the university has yet to act on its own findings?

    Finally, I wonder does Dr Pirom (apparently an expert in ‘good governance’) consider this case as an example of organizational dysfunction, or is there perhaps a more obvious reason?

  19. Postman says:

    @ Sabai Sabai #10

    Yes, you’ll forgive me I’m sure. For someone not brought up on a diet of screaming pre-menstrual and highly cantankerous (as well as rather dim) starlets, then having to live in 3rd-world Thailand for 8 years where the pinnacle in humour is still dwarf-throwing and men wearing a woman’s frock or having their hair standing on end and falling down, I didn’t really fully appreciate the transcendent humour and wit of someone being so stupid as to substitute the roman numerals for 13 for those representing 8. Neither did I fully appreciate the intellectual achievement of running off to report that to a university blog in Australia, nor even the wit and wisdom of some clod at said university who thought it was so funny he thought it would be a terrific wheeze to post it to the blog.

    Please forgive me for these and diverse other failings. I, in return will forgive you for being just another dim-witted Thai.

    Good grief, it must be like explaining quantum mechanics to my dog. You’d like my dog, I call him ‘Sir Dog’ and make everyone bury their face in the area of carpet where his ass had just been sat. I must write a stupid and condescending book about him one day so that Thais will know how they should behave.

    Nothing else was there? Good, you can go now. Peace be upon you and your tom yum goong.

  20. Roger says:

    Now we know that the staff of the two English newspapers read/check NM regularly so they should be forgiven if they also read this article below:

    https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/bangkok-post-exonerates-democrat-party-thugs/

    I still keep the Post’s hard-copy edition on Sunday the 3rd of June (page three, right-hand side) to show and alert friends but I doubt if anyone will be prosecuted under 112.