@#65
It didn’t work with our neighbors. The Thai state have been using hate rhetoric packaged as national defence for like ever, but people on the ground where they actually do the neighboring get along fine in economics, culture, tradition, you know how the border blurs when you get there the people are really similar in a lot of ways. Same thing with the Preah Vihear, the people who actually live in the vinicity of being neighbors are not really eyeing for each other. It’s mainly the airhead bourgeoise that are swept and fascinated because they do not have any real substance in their connection, which are perceived through artifacts like the TV, internet. Sure, there is the possibility of plain fiends disguised as fanatics, but they can not tell a German from a Russian. Then there’s Germans who live in Thailand. But the German peoples that live here are well established in various ways, and actual people that have shared presence together are not that taken by voices from the TV. So, I believe its the poor thais thats gonna take the check for the media playing hate on the Germans, paid in kind with the decrease of German tourists.
The main reason for the German papers to mix the story about the plane seizure and HRH┬┤s strawberries is that they are usually made by underpaid and in this case probably uninterested people. They just take information from AFP or another news agency and add some background information taken from Wikipedia and google news. If they have a little bit more time they would probably check out Bangkok Post/Nation/Prachatai too – that┬┤s it (journalists quoting journalists – it┬┤s like two blind persons talking about the beauty of the rainbow…). And I fear the situation is not much better anywhere else. Actually it is a deplorable fact to see that journalists and even most “academics” from all over the world rely totally on “information” wrought out of BP/Nation/Prachatai when they deal with Thai affairs.
Today I was asked five or six times about the country of my origin, and nobody reacted coolly or unfriendly, not at all. Probably people have more important things in mind, such as earning a living under harsh conditions, than Thailand┬┤s foreign debts and the mess the RTG has left.
Do the Thai Elite think that every is concerned about this?
More so than say, wether the elected party and its leader will be able to actually rule?
That 7 selectors appointed half the senators?
That contracts actually mean something to busniessmen?
That this is one more nail in Thailand’s coffin?
Or the irony in sending a man who forcibly closed an international airport with armed thugs and human sheilds is now seeking the return of an airplane to the same airport?
More or less concern than the families, widows, and orphans of 91 killed because Abhisit wanted to delay an election that he ultimately lost in any case?
No donor will give funding to people who publicly trash their ideology. If you find this surprising, you probably have poor social skills. And a problem getting research grants.
Given Thaksin’s legendary tightfistedness, the reluctance of red shirt leaders to get back into their box after having served their purpose and the cynical way that PT is already reneging on its far fetched electoral promises, it is highly likely that serious rifts will appear between the UDD and PT as well as within the UDD. Perhaps we will eventually see the red shirts running a “no vote” campaign complete with caricatures of the animals they unwittingly put into parliament.
Not sure whether Thailand will every get around to really paying attention to human rights or its responsibilities in HR. Referring to the UH High Commissioner’s for Human Rights report on report status of Thailand’s due date vs. actually in date for the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, in Round 1 Thailand’s report was due on 1/28/98, but was only submitted on 6/22/04 (over six years late!). That apparently wasn’t late enough. In Round 2 Thailand was supposed to hand in its report on 8 Jan 2009. While six years have not yet passed, the report has also not been submitted. If Thailand is so lax in its UN responsibilities, what kind of priority are you and I going to get? References: http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/5038ebdcb712174dc1256a2a002796da/80256404004ff315c125638c005fa34d?OpenDocument
The strawberry plucking is a most encouraging sign that the sufficiency economy lessons have been taken to heart. However, it would have been an even better example for Thai peasants, if the engines of the S class mercs had not been kept running while the bucolic frolics were taking place. I think bicycles would be more appropriate just like the continental royals.
One aspect, which is of course irrelevant for Kasit and state elites, is that the debts of the Thaistate owned to Werner Bau or large parts of it, are to be used for the employees who had lost their jobs.
Another issue is, whether it is still save for German citizen to travel to Thailand for holidays or business. Kasit made it very clear that those Thai who love the crown prince are now strongly against Germans. Might it happen that all Germans in Thailand will face l.m.?
Does plucking strawberries mean something else to Germans? Is it a metaphor for more interesting things?
@Ralph
I am German and I grew up close to Munich.
I am not aware of any metaphorical connotation a south German might have popping up in his mind if he reads this.
I only read: He is plucking strawberries 😉
I guess the journalists just like the hidden comparison of a high born royal, the case of a xx million (insert price and currency) expensive plane and the fact that at the same time the high born royal does enjoy something very normal like picking strawberries.
ynot said: “I do wonder a little about the patience of the Thai public with the ongoing outrageous behavior of O.”
People who knows too much in Thailand have lost all their patience long time ago for such appalling behavior. But what can they do? They can’t even raise a question in their homeland. (That’s why I’m here.) The rest of the Thais, around 3/4 of the population, didn’t even know the Boeing 737 existed.
A sentiment expressed in Paul Simon’s song (American Tune – 1973), in my opinion, could probably describe the situation in Thailand right now quite well. “Half the (Thai) people are stoned and the other half are waiting for the next election. Half the people are drowned and the other half are swimming in the wrong direction.” So sad!
@ Bkk Lawyer: apparently it were the CP’s lawyers who approached the German court, first, but they didn’t get anywhere because the plane’s owner documentation in Thai & English was “unclear”.
Only after CPs lawyers failed to release the plane, Kasit came into play and added insult to injury…
Funny little detail is how all the German papers claim the reason for CPs frequent visits to Munich is to “pluck strawberries”…the man must love strawberries very much 🙂
Thanks JohnH 57 for the update on the rot Benz. From the same link we learn that O was “currently spending his time picking strawberries in the area”. Seems that he is extending the path of Sufficiency Economy to Southern Germany.
One of the oddest parts of this odd story is that the alleged true owner of the seized property is not a party to this proceeding. Normally when a creditor seizes property to satisfy a debt, and there’s an issue about whether the debtor really owns the property, the person who claims to be the owner is the one who shows up to complain. The debtor doesn’t care.
So if CP has a colorable claim to own the plane, one would expect his lawyers to be there arguing on his behalf that the plane should be released and not impounded for someone else’s debt. He is apparently not involved in this proceeding though. Maybe he’s content to let the government argue for him. Or maybe he doesn’t think he really owns the plane.
Interestingly, BangkokPost has been blocking their comment section for all articles related to this airplane issue. The only other articles they are highly likely to block are those related to General Prayuth.
Maha Vajiralongkorn, heir to the throne, has “hidden” his Mercedes SLK sportscar in a private parking space of a luxury Munich hotel in southern Germany where it is being watched over by 10 bodyguards, the paper said.
These Thai ‘elites’ should at least be smart enough to realize that the practice of inventing a lie to cover up a series of lies won’t work outside the Land of Lies.
But needless to say, when the dusts settle, the biggest losers as usual will be just ordinary tax payers.
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Plane audacity in Thai dispute
@#65
It didn’t work with our neighbors. The Thai state have been using hate rhetoric packaged as national defence for like ever, but people on the ground where they actually do the neighboring get along fine in economics, culture, tradition, you know how the border blurs when you get there the people are really similar in a lot of ways. Same thing with the Preah Vihear, the people who actually live in the vinicity of being neighbors are not really eyeing for each other. It’s mainly the airhead bourgeoise that are swept and fascinated because they do not have any real substance in their connection, which are perceived through artifacts like the TV, internet. Sure, there is the possibility of plain fiends disguised as fanatics, but they can not tell a German from a Russian. Then there’s Germans who live in Thailand. But the German peoples that live here are well established in various ways, and actual people that have shared presence together are not that taken by voices from the TV. So, I believe its the poor thais thats gonna take the check for the media playing hate on the Germans, paid in kind with the decrease of German tourists.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
The main reason for the German papers to mix the story about the plane seizure and HRH┬┤s strawberries is that they are usually made by underpaid and in this case probably uninterested people. They just take information from AFP or another news agency and add some background information taken from Wikipedia and google news. If they have a little bit more time they would probably check out Bangkok Post/Nation/Prachatai too – that┬┤s it (journalists quoting journalists – it┬┤s like two blind persons talking about the beauty of the rainbow…). And I fear the situation is not much better anywhere else. Actually it is a deplorable fact to see that journalists and even most “academics” from all over the world rely totally on “information” wrought out of BP/Nation/Prachatai when they deal with Thai affairs.
Today I was asked five or six times about the country of my origin, and nobody reacted coolly or unfriendly, not at all. Probably people have more important things in mind, such as earning a living under harsh conditions, than Thailand┬┤s foreign debts and the mess the RTG has left.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
So many questions……..
Do the Thai Elite think that every is concerned about this?
More so than say, wether the elected party and its leader will be able to actually rule?
That 7 selectors appointed half the senators?
That contracts actually mean something to busniessmen?
That this is one more nail in Thailand’s coffin?
Or the irony in sending a man who forcibly closed an international airport with armed thugs and human sheilds is now seeking the return of an airplane to the same airport?
More or less concern than the families, widows, and orphans of 91 killed because Abhisit wanted to delay an election that he ultimately lost in any case?
Thai research grants for Aussies
No donor will give funding to people who publicly trash their ideology. If you find this surprising, you probably have poor social skills. And a problem getting research grants.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
HRK @65:
Then Germans need not be too concerned.
Shan @61: Thank you for that information. CP either doesn’t have good lawyers or doesn’t have good evidence that he owns the plane.
Analysis of Thailand’s prospects
Given Thaksin’s legendary tightfistedness, the reluctance of red shirt leaders to get back into their box after having served their purpose and the cynical way that PT is already reneging on its far fetched electoral promises, it is highly likely that serious rifts will appear between the UDD and PT as well as within the UDD. Perhaps we will eventually see the red shirts running a “no vote” campaign complete with caricatures of the animals they unwittingly put into parliament.
Thailand needs to move beyond its human rights rhetoric
Not sure whether Thailand will every get around to really paying attention to human rights or its responsibilities in HR. Referring to the UH High Commissioner’s for Human Rights report on report status of Thailand’s due date vs. actually in date for the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, in Round 1 Thailand’s report was due on 1/28/98, but was only submitted on 6/22/04 (over six years late!). That apparently wasn’t late enough. In Round 2 Thailand was supposed to hand in its report on 8 Jan 2009. While six years have not yet passed, the report has also not been submitted. If Thailand is so lax in its UN responsibilities, what kind of priority are you and I going to get? References: http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/5038ebdcb712174dc1256a2a002796da/80256404004ff315c125638c005fa34d?OpenDocument
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
The strawberry plucking is a most encouraging sign that the sufficiency economy lessons have been taken to heart. However, it would have been an even better example for Thai peasants, if the engines of the S class mercs had not been kept running while the bucolic frolics were taking place. I think bicycles would be more appropriate just like the continental royals.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
One aspect, which is of course irrelevant for Kasit and state elites, is that the debts of the Thaistate owned to Werner Bau or large parts of it, are to be used for the employees who had lost their jobs.
Another issue is, whether it is still save for German citizen to travel to Thailand for holidays or business. Kasit made it very clear that those Thai who love the crown prince are now strongly against Germans. Might it happen that all Germans in Thailand will face l.m.?
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
Does plucking strawberries mean something else to Germans? Is it a metaphor for more interesting things?
@Ralph
I am German and I grew up close to Munich.
I am not aware of any metaphorical connotation a south German might have popping up in his mind if he reads this.
I only read: He is plucking strawberries 😉
I guess the journalists just like the hidden comparison of a high born royal, the case of a xx million (insert price and currency) expensive plane and the fact that at the same time the high born royal does enjoy something very normal like picking strawberries.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
Does plucking strawberries mean something else to Germans? Is it a metaphor for more interesting things?
BTW, he is/was in Bangkok. Saw him on the royal news doing khao phansa things.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
ynot said: “I do wonder a little about the patience of the Thai public with the ongoing outrageous behavior of O.”
People who knows too much in Thailand have lost all their patience long time ago for such appalling behavior. But what can they do? They can’t even raise a question in their homeland. (That’s why I’m here.) The rest of the Thais, around 3/4 of the population, didn’t even know the Boeing 737 existed.
A sentiment expressed in Paul Simon’s song (American Tune – 1973), in my opinion, could probably describe the situation in Thailand right now quite well. “Half the (Thai) people are stoned and the other half are waiting for the next election. Half the people are drowned and the other half are swimming in the wrong direction.” So sad!
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
@ Bkk Lawyer: apparently it were the CP’s lawyers who approached the German court, first, but they didn’t get anywhere because the plane’s owner documentation in Thai & English was “unclear”.
http://www.merkur-online.de/lokales/flughafen-muenchen/krimi-prinzen-boeing-jetzt-kommt-aussenminister-1323468.html
Only after CPs lawyers failed to release the plane, Kasit came into play and added insult to injury…
Funny little detail is how all the German papers claim the reason for CPs frequent visits to Munich is to “pluck strawberries”…the man must love strawberries very much 🙂
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
Thanks JohnH 57 for the update on the rot Benz. From the same link we learn that O was “currently spending his time picking strawberries in the area”. Seems that he is extending the path of Sufficiency Economy to Southern Germany.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
One of the oddest parts of this odd story is that the alleged true owner of the seized property is not a party to this proceeding. Normally when a creditor seizes property to satisfy a debt, and there’s an issue about whether the debtor really owns the property, the person who claims to be the owner is the one who shows up to complain. The debtor doesn’t care.
So if CP has a colorable claim to own the plane, one would expect his lawyers to be there arguing on his behalf that the plane should be released and not impounded for someone else’s debt. He is apparently not involved in this proceeding though. Maybe he’s content to let the government argue for him. Or maybe he doesn’t think he really owns the plane.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
Interestingly, BangkokPost has been blocking their comment section for all articles related to this airplane issue. The only other articles they are highly likely to block are those related to General Prayuth.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
And while we’re at it…
Maha Vajiralongkorn, heir to the throne, has “hidden” his Mercedes SLK sportscar in a private parking space of a luxury Munich hotel in southern Germany where it is being watched over by 10 bodyguards, the paper said.
http://www.timesofoman.com/innercat.asp?detail=47815
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
These Thai ‘elites’ should at least be smart enough to realize that the practice of inventing a lie to cover up a series of lies won’t work outside the Land of Lies.
But needless to say, when the dusts settle, the biggest losers as usual will be just ordinary tax payers.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
I do not know that Thailand third world country have their private plan.The Queen of England cannot afford it.
Plane audacity in Thai dispute
I sort of wanted to say something about this situation. But because I live in Thailand, I can’t .
But I suppose I can repeat what has already been reported.