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  1. superanonymous says:

    (re #33) The woman who was killed was not at the BTS station, she was closer to the Rama IV corner where so called multi-color shirts had gathered to protest (and harass) the Red Shirts. Two people at the BTS station were slightly wounded by a different grenade. Re Dr. Pornthip, many people would not consider her a credible source– she wouldn’t say anything about the PAD guard who blew himself up in the jeep during the riot at Parliament in 2008, she was a booster of military contention that Rohingya refugees could be terrorists, and she defended the GT200 “bomb detector.”

  2. planB says:

    Nich

    Thanks for the on site report!

    The fact that you can still be in Myanmar and report first hand on the cultural gems speaks loudly of some important facts that most New Mandala chose to ignore.
    How long before these facts become historical nonplus will depend on how fast Myanmar become DPRK like.

  3. banphai says:

    The Bangkok Post has just ccompleted its usual in depth analysis and concluded that the UDD submission to the ICC is “unprincipled flimflam” and “nothing more than a publicity stunt”.
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/219413/questionable-use-of-the-law
    So, that’s it then. Next item, please.
    I know that I’ve mentioned this before, but the longer I live in Thailand, the more convinced I become that my travel agent gave me the wrong ticket three years ago, and I somehow ended up in Pratchett’s Discworld.

  4. Khin Khin says:

    Aung Zaw’s piece was originally published in the Wall Street Journal and subsequently in Irrawaddy. I do not belong to the aid humanitarian community but know some background here. Actually, my first reaction was disbelieve that Aung Zaw embarked on such a pathetic whining discourse presenting himself as a victim of shifting donor objectives, instead to face the reality and take responsibility.
    Most outrageous is how AZ evokes the high principles of journalism and the Irrawaddy as the last bastion of truth against junta propaganda while presenting the donors as political opportunists who bought “ into the junta’s line.” He thus denies the reader the complete story behind the withdrawal of the donor money, which is much more banal and unflattering and has nothing to do with a “neolib” conspiracy crap as a former commentator suggests. It has also not much to do with the truth telling of a last standing revolutionary (AZ) or martyrdom although the editor obviously made this his official narrative.
    Aung Zaw would have gained much respect as journalist if he would have mentioned that there was some squandering of money and mismanagement, ( not to mention hubris and arrogance) that finally led to the decision of the donors to withdraw the money. Why should Danish taxpayers pay for incompetency and arrogance?
    And after all, there are many other sources and citizen journalists in Burma who provide us with the truth on Burma.

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  6. Claude says:

    still dont know what the comments were about so I cannot say whether they were defamatory or not. Usually if they are not defamatory the case will not be forwarded to a prosecutor unless there is something fishy. I presume you must have a good lawyer already. Have you tried contacting Watanasak? I interviewed him a couple of years ago for an article and he seemed very friendly and intelligent unlike most officers – I reckon a simple chat would end the matter peacefully.

  7. BKK lawyer says:

    Leah Hoyt @33:

    NNT reported on 5 May (http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255305050012) that the forensic pathologist Pornthip concluded that the grenades were launched from a balcony at Chula Hospital (which eyewitnesses had reported at the time).

    The next day the Bangkok Post reported (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/36864) that the hospital’s directed objected to Pornthip’s “speculation” (she actually examined evidence; she didn’t just offer an opinion on a whim) and said it could “cause confusion and mar the hospital’s image”. The report wasn’t mentioned again in the media, as far as I know.

    On 22 Dec the Nation reported that a former aide of Seh Daeng was “tracked” by the DSI and arrested and charged with firing the grenades. (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Former-ranger-arrested-for-allegedly-firing-M79-at-30144956.html)

    And so it goes.

  8. The Lao government seem to be selling the country to the Chinese and Vietnamese.

    A glimpse of Boten, Golden Triangle special zones in Laos

    The Laotian government has attached great importance to the development of the special economic zone, and signed in October 2010 a government order. Under the plan, Laos is expected to build 10 special economic zones nationwide in line with the experience in both China and Vietnam and in compliance with its own characteristics.

    Moreover, Laos has also established its State Economic Special Zone Committee with its deputy prime minister taking the post of director of the committee and leading officials of the Investment Department, Finance Department, the Public Security Department, Culture Department and other government departments as committee members.

    In line with the development agreement, the Lao government has granted the entire special zones tax-free, preferential policies by means of solely collecting a small sum of ground lease fees from investors, and sent two administrative agencies or committees to join in the special zone administration.

    Furthermore, the special committee has been working to draft the preferential policies. However, the management of the special zone calls for a further improvement of the administrative rules and regulation and, in the meanwhile, a set of codes and regulations also needs to be established in varied trades and professions, Huang Yuandong acknowledged.

  9. David Brown says:

    Leah Hoyt #33

    was there also a report of a BTS train driver that reported a flash from the Dusit Thani(?) just prior to the grenade at the station?

  10. Apparently they were not offending enough to warrant notice to me to edit or remove the comments. This is the crux of my argument to the police – useless – that they should have dismissed the complaint up front because it is either defamatory or not, and if so, then the offended parties had a primary responsibility to notify me when they saw the comments and demand or request editing, etc. Instead as police tell me Khan filed within 24 hours of seeing them and Wattanasak filed about three months later because he was “busy.” In either case, the subsequent investigations went on for over a year without anyone so notifying me. Even an imbecile should be able to sort out the incongruity – but police seem to have ignored this point as seemingly have the two complainers. In addition to this, the prosecutor seems to have been pleased to hear me admit to posting material online although he has never shown me what material it was. The sheer lack of standards, logic, appropriate investigation and presence of malice and fraud is disappointing in the extreme. No wonder they will never find out the truth about Somchai Neelaphaijit. A criminal justice system that begins with injustice can never…ever produce a meaningful level of justice. I am ot opposed to the proposal that The Royal Thai Police need to be reorganized, first put under the Justice Ministry, but also broken up into provincial units and the national organization disbanded. It would also not hurt to have the multitude of unjust cases they have pursued investigated and officers brought to task for what they have or have not done. But we merely dream…

  11. Tarrin says:

    Geoff Osborn -25
    As response to Ralph Kramden – 28

    I think the clip in question was this

    http://www.bloggang.com/viewblog.php?id=blossoms&date=15-05-2010&group=18&gblog=8

    However, the report was smart enough to cut about half of the clip away, if you view the first half you will know that it was actually the soldier who point the gun at the red first, and yes, there’s no soldier shot at point blank. Unfortunately the guy who post the video on youtube got his account banned for some reason, I will get the link to the video as soon as I can.

  12. R. N. England says:

    Octavian (32). I wouldn’t be too outraged about the presence in Thailand of those who are against justice. It isn’t possible to support both a patronage hierarchy and the rule of just laws. Anybody who draws attention to this is answered with something like, “How could you possibly understand? You are either not Thai, or you are an importer of concepts that are undermining our culture.” The answer for them, is that patronage hierarchies, which are found fully developed in troupes of monkeys or packs of dogs, are about power, not culture. In fact they threaten every culture.

  13. Leah Hoyt says:

    Nick (or others)

    Geoff Osborn also said:

    “Dont forget the lady killed while waiting for her child at the Sala Daeng BTS. The reds fired an M79 -also on TV and it came through the roof and killed her.

    What do you think is a reliable assessment of who fired the M79 grenades at the BTS station?

    These are almost universally blamed on the reds. However, I recall media reports afterwards citing witnesses who saw the rounds come out of an upper floor on Chula Hospital, which would indicate military involvement. I have also heard other stories from people nearby that seemed to indicate a source within the red protest zone.

    Has there been a serious effort to determine who fired? Are the results conclusive?

    Broadly, I continue to think it is crucial that the Thai public know who is behind these various bombings. I don’t think there is adequate visibility on the investigations for those on the outside to form much of an opinion based on facts. Yet most of us have pretty strong opinions.

  14. Claude says:

    Strange, I wonder what the offending comments might have been – were they defamatory? Has the issue been resolved yet? Do you need a lawyer

  15. SteveCM says:

    Further to what I quoted in #32 (which may leave some querying the reason for amalgamating the testimonies) there’s also this:

    “The Statement of Anonymous Witness No. 22 is an amalgamation of the testimony provided by a number of high-ranking, active-duty officers in the Royal Thai Army, who have provided information anonymously because they would be in grave danger if the Thai military and/or government were to learn their identities.

    These witnesses are known to Applicant’s counsel, and would be made available to the ICC Prosecutor, provided acceptable measures were in place to ensure their safety and the safety of their families. The statements were merged to render the individuals who risked their lives and careers to provide testimonies more difficult to identify.”

    Fair to say (as I’m sure some will – just in a more colourful/coloured way), merging the testimonies also makes the chronological sequence of events as related significantly easier to follow for the non-legal layman….. a readership that I’m sure Amsterdam has in mind just as much as (and arguably more than) the ICC.

  16. xnatasx says:

    I met 3 Thais working for the UN Police when I was there lasy year.
    2 of them were women.

    By the way, UN/NGO staff seem to make way too much many there.

  17. Somsak Jeamteerasakul says:

    Khun Anderson,

    …this last year, the same personality herself was convicted for three years of lese majeste offense.

    Is this the personality you refer to? I’m just curious, and not a little surprised.
    http://www.manager.co.th/Local/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9530000177068

  18. Thanks Aiontay,

    Did they “run” it? Pretty much — although, as ever, answers may depend on who you ask. Was the military government’s involvement more substantial than it has been at any Manau that I am aware of? Yes.

    More on that soon.

    Best wishes to all,

    Nich

  19. aiontay says:

    So is the Irrawaddy report true that the military ran the manau this year? If so, it won’t be a tasty morsel, but rather one that leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

  20. planB says:

    Ko Aung Zaw will always be a PATRIOT

    Willing to deal with the devils for the sake of the People is an ultimate necessary trait of a patriot.

    As the founder of The Irrawaddy, he made a deal with the devil.

    Instead of “For the Citizenry benefit only ” he align TI with the “The absolutely anti SPDC ‘No Matter What’ crowd”.

    The deal:

    1)Toeing the westerner policy of vilifying SPDC and near saint hood elevation of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi @ every turn.
    2) Trivialize or outright ignoring SANCTION of any kind effecting the most vulnerable Citizenry of Myanmar more than the intended SPDC and its cronies.

    In return for the financial support from Soros et al ,other profiteering western institutions/expats and western government whose acknowledgment of Myanmar do not go beyond the paradigm of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi’s purported embodiment of DEMOCRACY vs TRULY atrocious SPDC.

    Daw Aung San Suu Kyi is no longer as bankable due to her continuing intransigence as in SPDC proven knavery.
    2) The original advocates of anti SPDC NMW such as Turnell et Al being proven to be charlatans as well as expat and western institutions that rely on litigation and governmental funding going no where!

    Ko Aung Zaw must return to being a true PATRIOT on behalf of the Citizenry in dealing with the devil within and without in stead of lamenting the unintended result of his past 3 decades of wasted effort.