GeorgeM (#30) – be aware of the following that Amsterdam acknowledges:
“The evidence presented in this Application includes a compilation of information provided by a number of active-duty officers of the Royal Thai Army about the planning and execution of the military response to the Red Shirts. They testify collectively – under the designation Anonymous Witness No. 22”
——–
As nobody has yet mentioned a link to download the complete submission, here are a couple:
Aung Zaw do not need to worry. Even if his Irrawaddy fails when the donors pull the rug from under he still will have his five bedder bungalow on a Chaing Mai hill and his SUV and a few million bahts in his bank account.
This letter was from one of his recalcitrant donors, The Royal Danish Govt.
Dear all,
I would like to inform you that the Danish Embassy has decided – after many years of support at a high ( may be too high) – level, to discontinue our financial support to the Irrawaddy magazine for 2011.
The decision is based on our current project where the Irrawaddy unfortunately have not delivered what was promised in the project agreement nor have they been able to follow up on the contractual amendments the Irrawaddy themselves requested for.
The contractual agreement between the Danish embassy and Irrawaddy included several project components that in time could help the Irrawaddy become more sustainable and thus less dependent on donor financing. Unfortunately it seems that this is not a priority for Irrawaddy at this stage.
They seemingly prefer the easier option to be totally dependent on donor contributions, an option which in our eyes gives the magazine a less convincing profile than the alternative model, which would show all out efforts to make this a sustainable organization run by exile Burmese, of course with some donor support.
Now the organization appears as a donor stooge run by people who do not feel a great urge to rationalize procedures, to consider possible savings and in general to show the necessary will to prudently manage the scarce donor funds made available to the organization.
It is worth noting that the magazine, which 2010 budget exceeded one million US$, employs 62 members of staff at their Chaing Mai office, with inter alia a very generous and liberal travel policy for senior staff, only sells around 200 magazines per month.
Nick (#27), thanks for the correction. What you say about Romklao’s location had previously been my understanding and I only revised it when I saw that the Witty report (para 38) placed Romklao’s command post on Tanao Road. My slack thinking in not allowing that, of course, he was likely to move between locations. I also recall comment that it was thought unusual for such senior officers to be so far forward.
You’re right about there being too many missing pieces – and I’ll repeat that it’s notable the Army has resolutely withheld the ones they have. I suspect I’m not the only one who thinks that the clearer picture that would emerge with them in place would likely prove at least highly compromising to those involved.
The testimony in the ICC filing from a high ranking Thai Army officer in regard to Thai Army preparations and planning for the violent crackdown against Thailand’s Red Shirt protesters is very detailed and presents a devastating portrait of the present Thai government and army’s fierce and ruthless determination to wipe out all organized resistance to the military coup that overthrow the elected government of Thaksin Shinawatra in 2006…
What the officer describes in great detail is a classic playbook for the anti-democracy side of the equation in the modern world and a must-read…………
In April were no clashes in DinDaeng intersection.
The PAD protester killed from the M79 was a protester at the Silom/Rama IV intersection, and not at Saladaeng BTS. The grenades that landed at the BTS station caused minor injuries.
Nobody has seen the shooters, how could you know that they “thought it was funny and giggled like small children”?
“SteveCM”:
Romklao and the other officers were hit by an M67 hand grenade at Dinso, not by an M79 at Khok Wua – there was initially some misreporting about the location.
There definitely was at least one sniper on the school, and he fired at Red Shirts, i just arrived from Khok Wua then, and hid behind a tank when he fired his most likely last round.
There are still too many missing pieces to make a conclusive judgment on April 10. What is clear though that the military has been at least incompetent, if not worse, by having started their operation in those locations too late in the afternoon and not retreated before sunset.
As to the claims of soldiers having used buckshot instead of rubber bullets – i have seen this on the clash at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd on April 28, where some soldiers ran out of rubber bullets, loaded and fired buckshot instead. That was the day where the soldier was killed through friendly fire, right in front of us.
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I think you missed the story here. It’s not about some humanitarian aid workers it’s about the neoliberal dynamic that’s shifting in support of the junta in Burma…
We are not alone in feeling the chill from some donors who have decided their money would be better spent within Burma. While we continue to enjoy solid support from most of our long-time donors, there is a dangerous trend among some others to buy into the junta’s line that assisting exiled civil society groups and refugee organizations is merely prolonging Burma’s conflict.
Journalists inside Burma know, but can’t report, that the recent wave of “privatization” inside Burma is nothing more than the formal transfer of the country’s wealth to a few dozen junta cronies or relatives of top generals, and not a sign of economic reform. And so it falls to us to reveal, for instance, that for every major investment these self-styled entrepreneurs make, hundreds or even thousands of people are summarily evicted from their homes. No inside media will report that the generals’ sons and daughters confiscate state-owned prime spots and buildings in Rangoon, for instance, or that junta cronies are stashing millions of dollars in Singaporean banks and buying expensive condominiums overseas.
…but then again everything’s got a price to the neolibs, and they probably have bought some humanitarian aid workers.
To help spread the liberating news of the “donor stooge”.
Yes, I think you caught me – I put a very high premium – not on morality – but on “good government” and “good governance” (defined as a government that administers and is subject to the rule of law) for a simple reason – absent these values sows the seeds for destruction.
Would you agree with me that functioning states (e.g. stable governments and nations) which failed to address issues of corruption ultimately led waste to many of them.
Look at this region: Philippines under Marcos, South Vietnam under Nguyen Van Thieu, Indonesia under Suharto, Thailand, etc.
Do you think that Malaysia can escape the consequences?
p.s. I’m no Gandhi just a rational economic agent who understands the cost of not adhering to certain universal principles.
People < Thai TV channel 5 was broadcasting live at Din Daeng intersection in daylight during April and filmed the execution of an unarmed Thai Army driver, shot point blank by a red shirt as he lay on the ground begging.
The shooter was masked but in a red shirt and the others who beat the driver down and then threw his body into a pickup were bare faced.
Lets start with this one first before getting to the other deaths and injuries caused by reds. After that, with the moral high ground you can start on the army.
Dont forget the lady killed while waiting for her child at the Sala Daeng BTS. The reds fired an M79 -also on TV and it came through the roof and killed her. The shooters thought it was funny and giggled like small children.
Wasn’t there a report at the time or shortly after that Romklao’s group had been pointed to with a laser pointer before the grenade was fired or tossed? I didn’t see this in the sergeant’s report. Was it there and I missed it?
Have to agree with much of what Goon Squad (#8) says…..
There were two separate grenade incidents. One (presumed to be M79-launched) takes out Col Romklao and other officers in their command tent in Tanao Road, north of Khok Wua intersection. The other (two grenades, in fact) impacts several soldiers at the south end of Dinso Road – facing the Democracy Monument (aerial photo/map for orientation here: http://www.mypicx.com/01302011/10_April_2010/ )
Concentrating on the latter, given that there were reportedly persons as yet unknown on the upper floors/roof of the Sattri Witthaya school, the eastern end of which overlooks the location of the grenade impacts in Dinso Road, I’m puzzled that Witty doesn’t at least examine the possibility of the grenades having been lobbed down from there.
Looking at the video recorded by thaiFAQ ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8X1rRxHjtE ) from the far side of the Democracy Monument, in the background there are what appear to be four separate muzzle flashes from three separate points at the school; a comment on the video at the YouTube site details them as follows:
The key point about this has been raised before: how is it that the troop deployment didn’t include “occupying the high ground” i.e. the elevated vantage points provided by the school and its roof? Unless, of course, the deployment did include that…..
And if it did, it’s worth noting that a soi (Damnoen Klang Neua) runs west from the school to the rear of the Government Lottery Office (GLO) building on the corner of Dinso Road. The GLO is the white building which does feature in Witty’s report (para #41) as being the site of “shooters firing rifles from the third floor balcony”. There’s a much-seen video of MiB gunmen emerging from and retreating into this soi from Dinso Road after firing several street-level shots up the road (i.e. north) from the cover of the colonnade. I’m no military tactician but, given that the Army was deployed in positions on two north-south roads, it seems inconceivable that they would not have secured the soi that runs east-west between them.
I don’t see Witty’s report providing comprehensive proof positive of who did what to whom. But – contrary to all the statements from Abhisit and the Army (even though they have been steadily backtracking as more evidence emerges) – it does establish that the Army were clearly not following the Rules of Engagement claimed for them….. nor were their equipment, deployment and tactics consistent with what it was claimed they were there to do.
I don’t see the report establishing beyond doubt a clear intent (as described in the second half of para “f” in the summary) on the part of the Army to inflict death and injury on the protesters – but I do think it compiles a detailed and compelling case of at least reckless and by most standards almost certainly criminal action for them to answer (even if that answering is unlikely to be to the ICC).
In theory, it also just might be enough to stoke effective demands for autopsy and other forensic evidence to be published – and for the Army to provide information they have so far flatly refused to provide. In practice, that all still seems highly unlikely.
So LesAbbey (#19) doesn’t like Amsterdam’s client list….. Hard to say if this constitutes his entire [cough] “rationale” for saying “Anything coming out of Amsterdam’s office is now so suspect that it’s very hard to give it any credence.” but, ever the realist, I won’t be holding my breath waiting for more…..
Which leaves the still unanswered question I raised before:
What “lies” exactly?
——————–
PS > Noting that there are posts from another “Steve” elsewhere on NM, to avoid confusion I’ll post as “SteveCM” from now on.
LesAbbey’s opinions is against the popular Thais who have long been wanting Democracy for over 30 years, LesAbbey is just a puppet of the present regime whose words have absolutely no justification.
“… don’t be surprised if Shwe Mann declares that his sons are the ones with all the money, not him.”
What, like Thaksin in Thailand? I wonder if Shwe Mann also has a millionaire housemaid.
Despite his dad apparently babysitting Than Shwe’s grandkids, wasn’t Aung Thet Mann in a bust-up with Than Shwe’s grandson over the restaurant on State School of Fine Arts land on Kabar Aye Pagoda Road that disappeared overnight? I could have my military offspring confused, however.
No, and yes.
Was a victim. Back in 2005 a local female radio personality accused me on the air of lese majeste and actually filed charges with police. the usual investigation went on, nothing was discovered so nothing was ever done to me. subsequently, this last year, the same personality herself was convicted for three years of lese majeste offense. I am not shedding tears on that.
As to what kind of problems I do have, Akbar Khan and his police col. friend Wattanasak have filed criminal defamation charges against me for something Khan told police he saw on my website back in December 2008. High-level police at the station they filed charges tell me that Wattanasak’s English is not good enough for him to understand what he supposedly was offended by and that he was being urged on by someone else. Of course, I am not making any accusations or saying anything directly, just reporting what I was told. My main contention in return for the fraudulent allegations is to file my own criminal charges against the two, which I did, as per sections 137, 172 and 179 of the Criminal Code – all to do with filing fraudulent allegations with authorities. So far my complaints have been recognized officially by the Office of the Prime Minister, and I have recently filed a complaint with the DSI – headed by the Ministry of Justice. As well, I have spoken with the national Attorney General’s office. My contention is that if you are being defamed, or feel you are, your first responsibility is to contact the source and get the material looked at, edited or removed, but not to ignore taking real action instead of slithering over to the police to try to get the offender imprisoned in a back-stabbing ungentlemanly and cowardly gesture.
It’s possibly my fading memory but I recall some years ago a story about the Thai Army unit in East Timor immediately after independence being (infamous) for the number of “comfort women” that were required to minister to the needs of its troops there. Or am I imagining that?
Furthermore, how getting rid of Thaksin will make Thailand a better place? was he the first PM to get accuse to vote buying? certainly not, even Chuan at a point in time got accused of the same charge.
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Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
GeorgeM (#30) – be aware of the following that Amsterdam acknowledges:
“The evidence presented in this Application includes a compilation of information provided by a number of active-duty officers of the Royal Thai Army about the planning and execution of the military response to the Red Shirts. They testify collectively – under the designation Anonymous Witness No. 22”
——–
As nobody has yet mentioned a link to download the complete submission, here are a couple:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47870740/47833346-Red-Shirts-Application-to-the-International-Criminal-Court-to-Investigate-Crimes-against-Humanity-in-Thailand
http://robertamsterdam.com/thailand/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ICC-Petition-Final-with-Appendix.pdf
Aung Zaw takes aim on Burma
Aung Zaw do not need to worry. Even if his Irrawaddy fails when the donors pull the rug from under he still will have his five bedder bungalow on a Chaing Mai hill and his SUV and a few million bahts in his bank account.
This letter was from one of his recalcitrant donors, The Royal Danish Govt.
Dear all,
I would like to inform you that the Danish Embassy has decided – after many years of support at a high ( may be too high) – level, to discontinue our financial support to the Irrawaddy magazine for 2011.
The decision is based on our current project where the Irrawaddy unfortunately have not delivered what was promised in the project agreement nor have they been able to follow up on the contractual amendments the Irrawaddy themselves requested for.
The contractual agreement between the Danish embassy and Irrawaddy included several project components that in time could help the Irrawaddy become more sustainable and thus less dependent on donor financing. Unfortunately it seems that this is not a priority for Irrawaddy at this stage.
They seemingly prefer the easier option to be totally dependent on donor contributions, an option which in our eyes gives the magazine a less convincing profile than the alternative model, which would show all out efforts to make this a sustainable organization run by exile Burmese, of course with some donor support.
Now the organization appears as a donor stooge run by people who do not feel a great urge to rationalize procedures, to consider possible savings and in general to show the necessary will to prudently manage the scarce donor funds made available to the organization.
It is worth noting that the magazine, which 2010 budget exceeded one million US$, employs 62 members of staff at their Chaing Mai office, with inter alia a very generous and liberal travel policy for senior staff, only sells around 200 magazines per month.
Kind regards,
bjarke
BJARKE MANNICHE NIELSEN / [email protected]
SENIOR PROGRAMME OFFICER
ROYAL DANISH EMBASSY, BANGKOK
10 SATHORN SOI 1(SOI ATTAKARN PRASIT) / 10120 BANGKOK
http://WWW.AMBBANGKOK.UM.DK
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
Nick (#27), thanks for the correction. What you say about Romklao’s location had previously been my understanding and I only revised it when I saw that the Witty report (para 38) placed Romklao’s command post on Tanao Road. My slack thinking in not allowing that, of course, he was likely to move between locations. I also recall comment that it was thought unusual for such senior officers to be so far forward.
You’re right about there being too many missing pieces – and I’ll repeat that it’s notable the Army has resolutely withheld the ones they have. I suspect I’m not the only one who thinks that the clearer picture that would emerge with them in place would likely prove at least highly compromising to those involved.
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
The testimony in the ICC filing from a high ranking Thai Army officer in regard to Thai Army preparations and planning for the violent crackdown against Thailand’s Red Shirt protesters is very detailed and presents a devastating portrait of the present Thai government and army’s fierce and ruthless determination to wipe out all organized resistance to the military coup that overthrow the elected government of Thaksin Shinawatra in 2006…
What the officer describes in great detail is a classic playbook for the anti-democracy side of the equation in the modern world and a must-read…………
https://thaipoliticalprisoners.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/anonymous-witness-no-22-copy.pdf
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
Is Geoff Osborn isn’t making this up, where are the links to the evidence for each claim made?
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
Regarding jurisdiction, Amsterdam is apparently arguing that the ICC has jurisdiction over Abhisit based on his UK citizenship.
That might also offer multiple grounds for ICC jurisdiction over crimes committed under Thaksin.
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
“Geoff Osborn”:
In April were no clashes in DinDaeng intersection.
The PAD protester killed from the M79 was a protester at the Silom/Rama IV intersection, and not at Saladaeng BTS. The grenades that landed at the BTS station caused minor injuries.
Nobody has seen the shooters, how could you know that they “thought it was funny and giggled like small children”?
“SteveCM”:
Romklao and the other officers were hit by an M67 hand grenade at Dinso, not by an M79 at Khok Wua – there was initially some misreporting about the location.
There definitely was at least one sniper on the school, and he fired at Red Shirts, i just arrived from Khok Wua then, and hid behind a tank when he fired his most likely last round.
There are still too many missing pieces to make a conclusive judgment on April 10. What is clear though that the military has been at least incompetent, if not worse, by having started their operation in those locations too late in the afternoon and not retreated before sunset.
As to the claims of soldiers having used buckshot instead of rubber bullets – i have seen this on the clash at Vibhavadi Rangsit Rd on April 28, where some soldiers ran out of rubber bullets, loaded and fired buckshot instead. That was the day where the soldier was killed through friendly fire, right in front of us.
Aung Zaw takes aim on Burma
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Aung Zaw takes aim on Burma
I think you missed the story here. It’s not about some humanitarian aid workers it’s about the neoliberal dynamic that’s shifting in support of the junta in Burma…
…but then again everything’s got a price to the neolibs, and they probably have bought some humanitarian aid workers.
To help spread the liberating news of the “donor stooge”.
Malaysia a failed state – The writings are on the wall?
Hi Martino,
Yes, I think you caught me – I put a very high premium – not on morality – but on “good government” and “good governance” (defined as a government that administers and is subject to the rule of law) for a simple reason – absent these values sows the seeds for destruction.
Would you agree with me that functioning states (e.g. stable governments and nations) which failed to address issues of corruption ultimately led waste to many of them.
Look at this region: Philippines under Marcos, South Vietnam under Nguyen Van Thieu, Indonesia under Suharto, Thailand, etc.
Do you think that Malaysia can escape the consequences?
p.s. I’m no Gandhi just a rational economic agent who understands the cost of not adhering to certain universal principles.
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
People < Thai TV channel 5 was broadcasting live at Din Daeng intersection in daylight during April and filmed the execution of an unarmed Thai Army driver, shot point blank by a red shirt as he lay on the ground begging.
The shooter was masked but in a red shirt and the others who beat the driver down and then threw his body into a pickup were bare faced.
Lets start with this one first before getting to the other deaths and injuries caused by reds. After that, with the moral high ground you can start on the army.
Dont forget the lady killed while waiting for her child at the Sala Daeng BTS. The reds fired an M79 -also on TV and it came through the roof and killed her. The shooters thought it was funny and giggled like small children.
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
Wasn’t there a report at the time or shortly after that Romklao’s group had been pointed to with a laser pointer before the grenade was fired or tossed? I didn’t see this in the sergeant’s report. Was it there and I missed it?
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
Have to agree with much of what Goon Squad (#8) says…..
There were two separate grenade incidents. One (presumed to be M79-launched) takes out Col Romklao and other officers in their command tent in Tanao Road, north of Khok Wua intersection. The other (two grenades, in fact) impacts several soldiers at the south end of Dinso Road – facing the Democracy Monument (aerial photo/map for orientation here: http://www.mypicx.com/01302011/10_April_2010/ )
Concentrating on the latter, given that there were reportedly persons as yet unknown on the upper floors/roof of the Sattri Witthaya school, the eastern end of which overlooks the location of the grenade impacts in Dinso Road, I’m puzzled that Witty doesn’t at least examine the possibility of the grenades having been lobbed down from there.
Looking at the video recorded by thaiFAQ ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8X1rRxHjtE ) from the far side of the Democracy Monument, in the background there are what appear to be four separate muzzle flashes from three separate points at the school; a comment on the video at the YouTube site details them as follows:
– 3.00 Sniper #1 (3rd roomя╗┐ left, under the rooftop)
– 3.03 Sniper #2 (2nd room left, rooftop)
– 3.36 Sniper #3 (1st room left, rooftop)
– 3.37 Sniper #2 fires again
Nick Nostitz is also explicit that there was at least one sniper shooting from the school ( http://www.newmandala.org/2010/04/15/mourning-and-definance/ ).
The key point about this has been raised before: how is it that the troop deployment didn’t include “occupying the high ground” i.e. the elevated vantage points provided by the school and its roof? Unless, of course, the deployment did include that…..
And if it did, it’s worth noting that a soi (Damnoen Klang Neua) runs west from the school to the rear of the Government Lottery Office (GLO) building on the corner of Dinso Road. The GLO is the white building which does feature in Witty’s report (para #41) as being the site of “shooters firing rifles from the third floor balcony”. There’s a much-seen video of MiB gunmen emerging from and retreating into this soi from Dinso Road after firing several street-level shots up the road (i.e. north) from the cover of the colonnade. I’m no military tactician but, given that the Army was deployed in positions on two north-south roads, it seems inconceivable that they would not have secured the soi that runs east-west between them.
I don’t see Witty’s report providing comprehensive proof positive of who did what to whom. But – contrary to all the statements from Abhisit and the Army (even though they have been steadily backtracking as more evidence emerges) – it does establish that the Army were clearly not following the Rules of Engagement claimed for them….. nor were their equipment, deployment and tactics consistent with what it was claimed they were there to do.
I don’t see the report establishing beyond doubt a clear intent (as described in the second half of para “f” in the summary) on the part of the Army to inflict death and injury on the protesters – but I do think it compiles a detailed and compelling case of at least reckless and by most standards almost certainly criminal action for them to answer (even if that answering is unlikely to be to the ICC).
In theory, it also just might be enough to stoke effective demands for autopsy and other forensic evidence to be published – and for the Army to provide information they have so far flatly refused to provide. In practice, that all still seems highly unlikely.
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
So LesAbbey (#19) doesn’t like Amsterdam’s client list….. Hard to say if this constitutes his entire [cough] “rationale” for saying “Anything coming out of Amsterdam’s office is now so suspect that it’s very hard to give it any credence.” but, ever the realist, I won’t be holding my breath waiting for more…..
Which leaves the still unanswered question I raised before:
What “lies” exactly?
——————–
PS > Noting that there are posts from another “Steve” elsewhere on NM, to avoid confusion I’ll post as “SteveCM” from now on.
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
Enough. This thread is not going to become a debate about Les Abbey. Let’s focus on the substantial issues raised by the post and the report. AW
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
LesAbbey’s opinions is against the popular Thais who have long been wanting Democracy for over 30 years, LesAbbey is just a puppet of the present regime whose words have absolutely no justification.
The Irrawaddy on Shwe Mann
“… don’t be surprised if Shwe Mann declares that his sons are the ones with all the money, not him.”
What, like Thaksin in Thailand? I wonder if Shwe Mann also has a millionaire housemaid.
Despite his dad apparently babysitting Than Shwe’s grandkids, wasn’t Aung Thet Mann in a bust-up with Than Shwe’s grandson over the restaurant on State School of Fine Arts land on Kabar Aye Pagoda Road that disappeared overnight? I could have my military offspring confused, however.
The Devil’s Discus – in Thai
No, and yes.
Was a victim. Back in 2005 a local female radio personality accused me on the air of lese majeste and actually filed charges with police. the usual investigation went on, nothing was discovered so nothing was ever done to me. subsequently, this last year, the same personality herself was convicted for three years of lese majeste offense. I am not shedding tears on that.
As to what kind of problems I do have, Akbar Khan and his police col. friend Wattanasak have filed criminal defamation charges against me for something Khan told police he saw on my website back in December 2008. High-level police at the station they filed charges tell me that Wattanasak’s English is not good enough for him to understand what he supposedly was offended by and that he was being urged on by someone else. Of course, I am not making any accusations or saying anything directly, just reporting what I was told. My main contention in return for the fraudulent allegations is to file my own criminal charges against the two, which I did, as per sections 137, 172 and 179 of the Criminal Code – all to do with filing fraudulent allegations with authorities. So far my complaints have been recognized officially by the Office of the Prime Minister, and I have recently filed a complaint with the DSI – headed by the Ministry of Justice. As well, I have spoken with the national Attorney General’s office. My contention is that if you are being defamed, or feel you are, your first responsibility is to contact the source and get the material looked at, edited or removed, but not to ignore taking real action instead of slithering over to the police to try to get the offender imprisoned in a back-stabbing ungentlemanly and cowardly gesture.
Thai bodyguards in East Timor
It’s possibly my fading memory but I recall some years ago a story about the Thai Army unit in East Timor immediately after independence being (infamous) for the number of “comfort women” that were required to minister to the needs of its troops there. Or am I imagining that?
Expert testimony alleges criminal acts by Thai army in April-May 2010
LesAbbey –
You attack the man’s word not the man.
Furthermore, how getting rid of Thaksin will make Thailand a better place? was he the first PM to get accuse to vote buying? certainly not, even Chuan at a point in time got accused of the same charge.