She cannot speak out reasonably in Thailand. No Thai can. In fact Junya seems to be in Europe, afraid to return to Thailand… afraid to contact her family even, for fear they will be intimidated, or worse, by the fascist Thai state.
Several of her pieces are remarkable, in my opinion, for their clear thinking and equally clear exposition. Have a look at
The Thai winners yesterday were sailing pair Dumrongsak Vongtim and
Kitsada Vongtim in the men’s Hobie 16, Noppakao Poonpat in the women’s Optimist and Keerati Bualong in the men’s Laser Radial; the men’s and women’s sepak takraw teams; and taekwondo exponent Chutchawal Khawlaor.
It was a special birthday gift for Kitsada who turned 28 yesterday.
“It is a special occasion to win gold, but to win gold on your birthday is more special. I can hardly believe it,” Kitsada said.
“It is also a gift for my one-month-old son.”
In taekwondo, Chutchawal defeated South Korea’s Kim Seong Ho 8-6 in the see-saw men’s 54kg final.
After two cautious rounds, the match came to life in the third and final round.
The Thai drew first blood and took a 3-1 lead only for the Korean to fight back for a 5-4 advantage.
In the final stretch, Chutchawal gained four unanswered points to lead 8-5. Kim threw everything at the Thai in the dying moments but could only get one more point.
“I devote the medal to my parents,” said Chutchawal, who is a volunteer at Ruamkatanyu charity rescue foundation.
“They will be charged and imprisoned without bail for endangering the Thai Fatherland’s security by devoting their medals to their own family members rather than to members of the royal family,” said General Payuth, “They are red shirt, anarchist, anti-monarchists!” Prayuth’s eyes were blood-shot and smoke poured from out his ears.
Up to 90 per cent of the red shirts may now be anti-monarchy, they said.
I guess nobody is going to stand up for the numbers given above by the two UDD leaders to Ghosh and supported by Somsak. It could well be true, but I suspect it would depend on the definition of red shirts. It would also depend on what is meant by anti-monarchy. Do you think what was meant was 90% of hard line UDD supporters? In any case it becomes a fluff piece because the leaders and Ghosh use the word “may” as in red shirts may now be.
р╣ЗHas anyone done a good detailed translation yet of the CRES info on Wiki Thai, et. al? …showing establishment date, duties, etc.? I am planning to but don’t want to reinvent the wheel.
Not meant to jump ahead or rather dash towards the critical part of your future exposé.
Ko Hla Oo
“This present form of governance of Myanmar is honed to its enduring perfection under Ne Win era (1962-1998) unhindered and even encouraged.”
Courtesy a L├г Laissez-faires policy of US and the power that be then in Euope Great Britain.
The pertinent points?
1) Myanmar has known no other or experienced alternative governance for generations except the present form!
2) DEAL properly, the West must with SPDC. This governing body that is the 1╦Ъ result of their own COLD WAR politics.
3) Myanmar is too important to be a throw away Banana Republic. Exemplified by the present course by of “show me how high can you jump” but espousing a NEVER enough attitude.
All of this is really the uncovering of the very reason that Thailand never had a democracy from the beginning – it was always a moot issue. The way things are going, we are likely to see another directive that prohibits any public expression that fails to conform with state-mandated content. We are nearly there now, but there is still room for people to voice objections. Depending, of course, on what they say.
A great disappointment to humanity. Is it not ironic that the state of emergency is seen by democrats and republicans in the old definition of the worlds as having been created by those licensed to resolve it?
I am just a little old lady of 87yrs I don’t know Taksin or ever live in Thailand when he was PM. Eventhough I have lived in California for almost 40 years, my heart still belongs to Thailand. Iwent back to Thailand when Taksin was PM once.I noticed that the country was peaceful,people wer happy and seemed to be prosperous,business was booming. Well, after the coup’d’tat in 2006,everything went downhill. The country has been in turmoil eversince.I have never sen or experience such a big rift betwen Thai people that seem to be wider and wider,with no reconciation in sight.This governemt rules by repression only,no wonder the majority of the Thais could not accept. “THAI” means Free people..Aphisit and his cohorts seem to forget that. Dictatorship cannot last long in the Land of the Free..beleive me.
On Friday 19th Nov. CRES ordered a ban on certain goods:
“The following is a translated excerpt from the ban, which took effect immediately:
Item 1: Individuals are forbidden to have in their possession, or possess with intent to sell or otherwise distribute, products, clothing, consumer goods, or any other objects that contain printing, writing, drawing, photography, or any other method that conveys a meaning which provokes, incites, agitates, or causes disunity in the general populace, or acts or supports acts which cause a state of emergency.
Item 2: Authorities are authorized to order the seizure or confiscation of products, clothing, consumer goods, or any other objects as outlined in Item 1, and are authorized to act as necessary to maintain the security of the state or the safety of the public.
Item 3: These orders are to be made by authorities of commissioned officer level or equivalent.
Item 4: Any person violating this order is subject to up to 2 years imprisonment or a fine of up to 40,000 baht, or both. This order is enacted under Article 18 of the 2005 State of Emergency Administration Act and is effective from 19 November 2010.
“The idea that the Red Shirts may have transended their Thaksin-personality-cult phase and entered some ideologically driven state of enlightenment doesn’t seem likely to me, however desireable it might be.” (Nigel #19)
The only statistic that stand out as measure a Red’s true leanings has/had always been . . . 100% for and under Thaksin. And for that reason, the Red movement had not moved an inch towards any clear purpose a non-Red could at least sympathize to.
By the way, I think that the tendency to invest sacral power in certain people is a problem that is present everywhere, not just in Thailand. People are always ready for a saviour when one presents himself, when democracy and thinking for yourself seems like just too much hard work.
I tend to agree somewhat with you, Nigel, but another equally despicable character, Sondhi Limthonkul plays a similar heroic role for some PAD supporters.
Peter, thanks for that link. Amazing to hear from the voice of someone from her background. I’d love to read more of the same. Very refreshing to hear someone like her speak.
Whether large numbers of Thais are now against the current royal family or not (and I suspect they are not), the cultural pattern of reverence for some source of sacred power is likely to remain for the forseeable future. When the king passes away, people are therefore likely to fill the gap with some other wealthy and powerful personality. The fact is, given Thaksin’s position and the role he has played in the Red Shirt movement up to this point, he seems an obvious candidate. The idea that the Red Shirts may have transended their Thaksin-personality-cult phase and entered some ideologically driven state of enlightenment doesn’t seem likely to me, however desireable it might be.
Yesterday, I observed the UDD rally at Rajaprasong intersection and talked to a person who has been involved with the red shirts for a long time. His opinion was that the 90 percent figure was way too high. According to him, 50 percent was more realistic.
When I was taking a picture on the pedestrian path above the intersection, I was pushed in the back by a guy who turned out to be a guard of Jatuporn who was on his way to show himself to the people gathered on the intersection. It was a crazy media hype, and as soon as the people below saw Jatuporn, they went wild.
Clearly, he was the most important star hero in the minds of the demonstrators. That this is so for a guy who, as a hardliner in the UDD leadership, bears partial responsibility for a few dozens more dead protesters than “necessary” might indicate one or two things. One might book the people’s mindless jubilation as a matter of mass psychology. Yet, it may as well reflect the degree to which many active protesters have become hardliners in more than the question of the monarchy.
By contrast, Khun Sombat had a rather peaceful evening at McDonalds. The distribution of power and significance in the movement seems to be clear.
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Dear Greg,
This is absolutely true. This can be found in the SPR website of the Elections Constitution page.
The full explanation can be found here:
http://www.spr.gov.my/eng/index_files/akta_peraturanVBI/Elections(RegistrationofElectors)Regulations2002/part%201.pdf
How hardline have the redshirts become?
Maratjp
Junya Yimprasert’s google blog, ‘time out thailand’ was taken down by google, on orders from the fascist Thai state, no doubt.
She has since made a new website, in Finland, at
http://timeupthailand.net/
She cannot speak out reasonably in Thailand. No Thai can. In fact Junya seems to be in Europe, afraid to return to Thailand… afraid to contact her family even, for fear they will be intimidated, or worse, by the fascist Thai state.
Several of her pieces are remarkable, in my opinion, for their clear thinking and equally clear exposition. Have a look at
http://hirvikatu10.net/timeupthailand/?cat=4, and
http://hirvikatu10.net/timeupthailand/?cat=6
Burma votes 2010 – Episode 3
Nick
Keep them coming.
Thanks.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
Anti-monarchists, suspected red shirts, win gold in Asean games
“They will be charged and imprisoned without bail for endangering the Thai Fatherland’s security by devoting their medals to their own family members rather than to members of the royal family,” said General Payuth, “They are red shirt, anarchist, anti-monarchists!” Prayuth’s eyes were blood-shot and smoke poured from out his ears.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
Up to 90 per cent of the red shirts may now be anti-monarchy, they said.
I guess nobody is going to stand up for the numbers given above by the two UDD leaders to Ghosh and supported by Somsak. It could well be true, but I suspect it would depend on the definition of red shirts. It would also depend on what is meant by anti-monarchy. Do you think what was meant was 90% of hard line UDD supporters? In any case it becomes a fluff piece because the leaders and Ghosh use the word “may” as in red shirts may now be.
The quantum physics of the Thai constitutional universe
р╣ЗHas anyone done a good detailed translation yet of the CRES info on Wiki Thai, et. al? …showing establishment date, duties, etc.? I am planning to but don’t want to reinvent the wheel.
Burma commentary, with more to come
Not meant to jump ahead or rather dash towards the critical part of your future exposé.
Ko Hla Oo
“This present form of governance of Myanmar is honed to its enduring perfection under Ne Win era (1962-1998) unhindered and even encouraged.”
Courtesy a L├г Laissez-faires policy of US and the power that be then in Euope Great Britain.
The pertinent points?
1) Myanmar has known no other or experienced alternative governance for generations except the present form!
2) DEAL properly, the West must with SPDC. This governing body that is the 1╦Ъ result of their own COLD WAR politics.
3) Myanmar is too important to be a throw away Banana Republic. Exemplified by the present course by of “show me how high can you jump” but espousing a NEVER enough attitude.
Burma in Limbo, part 4
Ko Hla Oo
Great Job.
Still itching for your exposé on Ne Win era. I hope it will be soon instead of part # Z.
The quantum physics of the Thai constitutional universe
All of this is really the uncovering of the very reason that Thailand never had a democracy from the beginning – it was always a moot issue. The way things are going, we are likely to see another directive that prohibits any public expression that fails to conform with state-mandated content. We are nearly there now, but there is still room for people to voice objections. Depending, of course, on what they say.
A great disappointment to humanity. Is it not ironic that the state of emergency is seen by democrats and republicans in the old definition of the worlds as having been created by those licensed to resolve it?
How hardline have the redshirts become?
I am just a little old lady of 87yrs I don’t know Taksin or ever live in Thailand when he was PM. Eventhough I have lived in California for almost 40 years, my heart still belongs to Thailand. Iwent back to Thailand when Taksin was PM once.I noticed that the country was peaceful,people wer happy and seemed to be prosperous,business was booming. Well, after the coup’d’tat in 2006,everything went downhill. The country has been in turmoil eversince.I have never sen or experience such a big rift betwen Thai people that seem to be wider and wider,with no reconciation in sight.This governemt rules by repression only,no wonder the majority of the Thais could not accept. “THAI” means Free people..Aphisit and his cohorts seem to forget that. Dictatorship cannot last long in the Land of the Free..beleive me.
The quantum physics of the Thai constitutional universe
On Friday 19th Nov. CRES ordered a ban on certain goods:
“The following is a translated excerpt from the ban, which took effect immediately:
Item 1: Individuals are forbidden to have in their possession, or possess with intent to sell or otherwise distribute, products, clothing, consumer goods, or any other objects that contain printing, writing, drawing, photography, or any other method that conveys a meaning which provokes, incites, agitates, or causes disunity in the general populace, or acts or supports acts which cause a state of emergency.
Item 2: Authorities are authorized to order the seizure or confiscation of products, clothing, consumer goods, or any other objects as outlined in Item 1, and are authorized to act as necessary to maintain the security of the state or the safety of the public.
Item 3: These orders are to be made by authorities of commissioned officer level or equivalent.
Item 4: Any person violating this order is subject to up to 2 years imprisonment or a fine of up to 40,000 baht, or both. This order is enacted under Article 18 of the 2005 State of Emergency Administration Act and is effective from 19 November 2010.
[Signed]
General Prayuth Chan-ocha”
You can read the full Thai text of the ban from a link at
http://rikker.blogspot.com/2010/11/thai-government-bans-goods-that-cause.html , the source of this quote.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
“The idea that the Red Shirts may have transended their Thaksin-personality-cult phase and entered some ideologically driven state of enlightenment doesn’t seem likely to me, however desireable it might be.” (Nigel #19)
The only statistic that stand out as measure a Red’s true leanings has/had always been . . . 100% for and under Thaksin. And for that reason, the Red movement had not moved an inch towards any clear purpose a non-Red could at least sympathize to.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
By the way, I think that the tendency to invest sacral power in certain people is a problem that is present everywhere, not just in Thailand. People are always ready for a saviour when one presents himself, when democracy and thinking for yourself seems like just too much hard work.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
I tend to agree somewhat with you, Nigel, but another equally despicable character, Sondhi Limthonkul plays a similar heroic role for some PAD supporters.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
Peter, thanks for that link. Amazing to hear from the voice of someone from her background. I’d love to read more of the same. Very refreshing to hear someone like her speak.
And I wonder why it’s not blocked.
Malaysia’s Democratic Action Party in Sydney
Thanks very much Yi Leen,
This is very useful.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
Whether large numbers of Thais are now against the current royal family or not (and I suspect they are not), the cultural pattern of reverence for some source of sacred power is likely to remain for the forseeable future. When the king passes away, people are therefore likely to fill the gap with some other wealthy and powerful personality. The fact is, given Thaksin’s position and the role he has played in the Red Shirt movement up to this point, he seems an obvious candidate. The idea that the Red Shirts may have transended their Thaksin-personality-cult phase and entered some ideologically driven state of enlightenment doesn’t seem likely to me, however desireable it might be.
How hardline have the redshirts become?
Up to 90 percent…
Yesterday, I observed the UDD rally at Rajaprasong intersection and talked to a person who has been involved with the red shirts for a long time. His opinion was that the 90 percent figure was way too high. According to him, 50 percent was more realistic.
When I was taking a picture on the pedestrian path above the intersection, I was pushed in the back by a guy who turned out to be a guard of Jatuporn who was on his way to show himself to the people gathered on the intersection. It was a crazy media hype, and as soon as the people below saw Jatuporn, they went wild.
Clearly, he was the most important star hero in the minds of the demonstrators. That this is so for a guy who, as a hardliner in the UDD leadership, bears partial responsibility for a few dozens more dead protesters than “necessary” might indicate one or two things. One might book the people’s mindless jubilation as a matter of mass psychology. Yet, it may as well reflect the degree to which many active protesters have become hardliners in more than the question of the monarchy.
By contrast, Khun Sombat had a rather peaceful evening at McDonalds. The distribution of power and significance in the movement seems to be clear.
Burma votes 2010 – Episode 3
Excellent initiative Nich, but would be fantastic if you could post it in a more Myanmar-internet-friendly format… youtube is blocked!
Why is a case with the ICC so frightening?
The law in Thailand is not so much an ass but reduced to being a mere tool of oppression and rule if only the French had colonized Siam!