If the government refused to disclose the original autopsy report, it means that the army shot Mr Fabio. I am deeply sorry for his family but I’m afraid the truth will never be revealed.
About 10 days ago in Nakhon Nayok. Public appeareance at the 123 rd anniversary of the Royal Thai Army Military Academy’s foundation by King Chulalongkorn
Frank G Anderson #51 re:
“Sondhi publicly told the Thai people that Giles does not belong in Thailand if he is proud of being half-English”.
Presumably Sondhi thinks just as badly – or worse – of Abhisit who was born and educated in England (Eton, Oxford), and is therefore thoroughly English, and entitled to a British passport. Not to mention Finance Minister Kavi Chatikavanij.
Not to mention someone else very important, born in America.
Thankyou for your article which accords with my recollection of the sad history of Cambodia (with one exception – below) and my sentiments that spending money on these trials is a waste when so much needs to be done to help the people.
The one exception is in your first paragraph: ” The verdict of the UN- sponsored tribunal, was important in that, for the first time, a key Khmer Rouge official was held accountable for the unspeakable crimes of the regime. ”
As I understand it, the new government, soon after the liberation of 90% of the country by Vietnam, tried officials of the Khmer Rouge.
Of course the were subject to Socialist justice not the present Bourgeois variety which is of course a glod mine for the lawyers.
A question. Were Thaksin and his minions responsible for the swine flu or for holding it back? When can we expect them to unleash it in a final fury?
By the way, Thaksin’s government’s actions in response to the swine flu seemed to me to be the normal stupid denialism of an authoritarian government – don’t talk about it, it will harm the image of the country but we have it under control – but the massive conspiracy? Well, I guess if he really is Kaiser Sozay.(The Usual Suspects)
I’ll refrain from joking about Tony and the brain-eating vaccines. But, I have to say they may have got to this person
This a non story. Fabio was at best looking to score the big one, at worst, an idiot. Anybody with a shred of common sense knew that being on the other side of that barricade on that day at that time was the last place you wanted to be. And what color was he wearing? Black? Like so many of these foreign journalists who looked like fools wearing such a color at these protests. He took a risk and lost. It’s awful that he had to die, but it’s his fault not the military’s.
I was around that day too. And I had the sense to simply stay away from that area.
It doesn’t take a degree in rocket science to figure the army shot him. probably when aiming at reds. But the real killer will never be found, it will be blamed on mysterious reds. Thailand is not where you come expecting justice. Albeit if you grease enough palms they will find some peasant to blame it all on, confession guaranteed.
governments formed of democratically elected MPs are accountable to the people on a regular basis
the heart of democracy is elections at maximum intervals where all the people equally have the opportunity to vote out and vote in MPs
governments formed solely by these elected MPs are then directly accountable to the people, they have to perform to the peoples satisfaction and are corrupt at their own risk
for democracy to succeed all people must accept the result of elections and all individuals, institutions and organisations, including the military, are subject to the parliament
anyone that is dissatisfied with the rule of a democratically elected government is free to protest and organise but the only legitimate way to replace a government is to call an election for all the people to choose their representatives
any other scheme such as the PAD “appointed” MPs and dictatorship by the monarchy and military such as the current situation in Thailand are only accountable to the few who crave wealth and power for themselves and naturally corrupt the country for their own benefit
Thailand will transition to democracy, the only question is how long before enough people recognise it will be better for all Thai people?
Has anybody heard anything recently from Nick Nostitz? Seems like just another case of self-censorship in troubled times after giving us so much insightful information.
Fabio death may be mysterious to foreign journalists but a brainless person could tell immediately that his death was definitely caused by the bullets from the Thai military. A few days after the forensic examination, some Thai newspaper reported that doctors confirmed that the bullets that found in Fabio body were from the Thai army. The order to clear all journalists off the Rajprasong area was a clear signal that the army will terminate anything while they move in. Fabio was just one of many more casualties that day. The fact that his death caused a big bang was only because he was a foreign reporter. Many more red-shirts were shot cold-blooded without any mercy. Many were shot and dragged into army trucks and disappeared forever. With Prayuth as a new army chief, more brutal murders will take place in the near future. Only god can tell what will happen to Thailand under these queen’s guard. But in many other places, no matter how powerful, how brutal those dictators were, democracy and righteousness would always prevail.
Benny, you are right on various points, but you continue to downplay ASEAN’s role (and just to clarify, I would never imply that you were trying to defend Indonesia’s position – I know your background and I like your book a lot – this is just for the sake of accuracy). ASEAN played a crucial role in organising diplomatic campaigning at the UN, to such an extent that by the early 1980s the great powers were taking their cues from ASEAN communiques. The resolutions at the UN to maintain the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia’s UN seat were not actually ‘US resolutions’ but ASEAN-sponsored resolutions, with the US only playing a supportive, back-room role. When there were differences – such as over the 1981 International Conference on Kampuchea – the US and China naturally won out, but these were few and far between. Especially after ASEAN cobbled together a new coalition government-in-exile in 1982 to mask the continued domination of the Khmer Rouge, the Association played a major role in convincing non-aligned countries to vote in favour of the overthrown regime and against the PRK and Vietnam. Non-aligned states did not, as you suggest, always abstain.
These points may seem pedantic, but to me they’re important. Whenever people discuss Cambodia in the 1980s, they are sometimes ready to acknowledge the US/Chinese role, but the vital part played by regional states is almost never acknowledged, allowing ASEAN to get off scot free. ASEAN is generally seen as a peace-loving, sovereignty-respecting organisation but its historical record is actually rather different. The broader point here is that local/regional states are often vital in maintaining imperialist strategies. We can think of the role of small Islamic states in the Afghanistan War, of Egypt and Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni civil war, of South Africa in policing radical states in Southern Africa, of Uganda acting as a US/UK proxy in supporting the RPF in Rwanda, of Brazil and other states acting as US proxies in Latin America during the Cold War, and so on. ‘Small’ and ‘weak’ states are often seen as insignificant in world politics but often their cooperation is vital to constituting the force and legitimacy required by leading states to project their power around the globe and pursue their projects successfully.
Obviously pro-globalist, you can find every big bank, media group, equity firm, and corporation a member, many are co-members of the CFR. Its all conspiracy, no theory my friend. Robert Amsterdam has been planting stories in the MSM for years on behalf of his clientele, passing it off as journalism or expert analysis.
Take 5 minutes look it up. Yes, I posted the infowars articles, I did an immense amount of research, and most of the evidence consists of quotes from the UDD, red shirts themselves. Jakrapob is the one saying he is getting funding from overseas, not me, or Alex Jones.
Sorry you don’t know that big bankers fund communism all over the world in order to empty out nations of old money and replace it with there’s. Worked like a charm in Cambodia. While Hun Sen makes similar “Thaksinesque” people’s power speeches, 45% of Cambodia’s landmass has been sold to foreign globalist investors.
BTW, brain eating vaccines are mainstream news, not fringe conspiracy – the technology is not disputed, and all infowars points out is that “if you can alter brain chemistry with vaccines for good, you can alter it for evil.” That’s common sense, for everyone besides James I suppose. I think something is wrong if you’re not worried about a government abusing that technology while they wage two criminal wars, shred the Bill of Rights, and just got caught with big-pharma goons hyping the swine flu.
The peaceful cure for Thai fascism and return to political health are just around the corner. A thoroughly unpopular King and a discredited army. The giant boil that has been growing on the backside of Thailand for 60 years will finally be lanced.
Thank you Lee Jones. As I stated in my previous comment although I am Indonesian I worked all my life for the United Nations as an International Cibviul servant and was not endorsing or defending the Indonesian position. What happened in new York I saw with my own eyes as i was stationed there. As I related in chapter 2 of my book Dancing in Shadows: Sihanouk, the kHmer Rouge and the United Nations, Rowman Littlefield: 2008 available from Amazon.com, therewas a two pronged atatck by the west to isolate and if possible defeat the PRK as they dont want another vietnam to rule Cambodia. One is what happened in the United Nations in New York, and two is what happened in the field. In New York, ASEAN has no power at all to influence UN decisions as there were 120 member states (today 193). The UN General Assembly is dominated by five veto wielding powers and the US and China managed to sway the majority of the member countries to vote for the Khmer Rouge to be seated as the legitimate government of Cambodia. This outrage continued for eleven years although the Khmer Rouge wolf was draped in sheep’s clothes consisting ofthe Royalists FUNCINPEC and the pro American KPNLF. The vote for the US resolution was 71 for, 35 against, 34 abstention and 12 absentees. The Soviet bloc . India and many non aligned countries voted against or abstained and wanted to keep the Cambodian seat vacant, as proposed by India head of the non aligned countries at the time. . Ambassador Tommy Koh of Singapore, a staunch ally of the US, brilliantly maneuvered not to allow the Indian proposal to leave the Cambodian seat empty to take place.Yes, ASEAN of course voted with the US and China and for eleven years Ambassador Thioun Prasidh of the Khmer Rouge sips cocktails and lobbied against the PRK at every cocktail party which is almost evry night during the General Assembly. . I tried to avoid him. Every day for eleven years the Khmer Rouge flag was flying over Manhattan. This fact which is shameful for the west is often swept under the carpet by western journalists.Yes, you and Victims Rights were correct that in the field the CGDK (Khmer Rouge, FUNCINPEC and KPNLF were very much aided by Thailand and singapore and China as well as the US. China funneled weapons through the DEeng hsiao Ping trail from Utapao base to the Cambodian border with the Thai military getting its cut.Thus the “civil war”was aided by diplomatic maneuverings in new York to continue to recognize the Khmer rouge and by military and other support to rescucitate the three factions at the border to fight the PRK. China supported the west politically but was then a very poor economic entity. Tand oday China is an economic giant and is the largest supplier of foreign aid to Cambodia and is a sizeable foreign investor as well.
Today the west is trying to do the same with Myanmar by imposing economic sanctions for twenty years. The difference today is that China is an economic giant and has today surpassed Japan as the number two largest economy of the world. The economic sanctions for twenty years against Myanmar like they did against Cambodia today does not work at all, as the economic giant China is providing Myanmar with foreign aid, as well as trade and China’s province of Yunan supplies all the consumer goods needed by Myanmar while Myanmar supplies China with natural gas and other raw materials. Myanmar can therefore ignore the west and rely on China and India as partners.
Before encouraging people to do good deed, we probably need to have good system first. What I see now is that people like Newin prosper while people like Mingkwan is being kick out, just good deed slogan is not enough if we still have governing system that is so rotten.
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Who killed Italian photographer Fabio Polenghi?
If the government refused to disclose the original autopsy report, it means that the army shot Mr Fabio. I am deeply sorry for his family but I’m afraid the truth will never be revealed.
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Thailand’s war with the foreign media
@ chris beale
About 10 days ago in Nakhon Nayok. Public appeareance at the 123 rd anniversary of the Royal Thai Army Military Academy’s foundation by King Chulalongkorn
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dMpI2XX8YYY/TFvJOFjlSwI/AAAAAAAAFeg/G3jS9VqaWnE/s400/40537_138592012847300_119957734710728_193020_1594775_n.jpg
Charles Keyes on Sondhi Limthongkul
Frank G Anderson #51 re:
“Sondhi publicly told the Thai people that Giles does not belong in Thailand if he is proud of being half-English”.
Presumably Sondhi thinks just as badly – or worse – of Abhisit who was born and educated in England (Eton, Oxford), and is therefore thoroughly English, and entitled to a British passport. Not to mention Finance Minister Kavi Chatikavanij.
Not to mention someone else very important, born in America.
An alternative view of the Duch verdict in Cambodia
Dear Benny
Thankyou for your article which accords with my recollection of the sad history of Cambodia (with one exception – below) and my sentiments that spending money on these trials is a waste when so much needs to be done to help the people.
The one exception is in your first paragraph: ” The verdict of the UN- sponsored tribunal, was important in that, for the first time, a key Khmer Rouge official was held accountable for the unspeakable crimes of the regime. ”
As I understand it, the new government, soon after the liberation of 90% of the country by Vietnam, tried officials of the Khmer Rouge.
Of course the were subject to Socialist justice not the present Bourgeois variety which is of course a glod mine for the lawyers.
Robert Amsterdam on a “Strategy of Tension” in Bangkok
Tony,
A question. Were Thaksin and his minions responsible for the swine flu or for holding it back? When can we expect them to unleash it in a final fury?
By the way, Thaksin’s government’s actions in response to the swine flu seemed to me to be the normal stupid denialism of an authoritarian government – don’t talk about it, it will harm the image of the country but we have it under control – but the massive conspiracy? Well, I guess if he really is Kaiser Sozay.(The Usual Suspects)
I’ll refrain from joking about Tony and the brain-eating vaccines. But, I have to say they may have got to this person
http://blogs.channelnewsasia.com/anasuya-sanyal/2010/08/17/transcript-of-interview-with-yanaphon-youngyuen-deputy-director-general-department-of-special-investigation-dsi/comment-page-1/#comment-1138
Who killed Italian photographer Fabio Polenghi?
This a non story. Fabio was at best looking to score the big one, at worst, an idiot. Anybody with a shred of common sense knew that being on the other side of that barricade on that day at that time was the last place you wanted to be. And what color was he wearing? Black? Like so many of these foreign journalists who looked like fools wearing such a color at these protests. He took a risk and lost. It’s awful that he had to die, but it’s his fault not the military’s.
I was around that day too. And I had the sense to simply stay away from that area.
Who killed Italian photographer Fabio Polenghi?
It doesn’t take a degree in rocket science to figure the army shot him. probably when aiming at reds. But the real killer will never be found, it will be blamed on mysterious reds. Thailand is not where you come expecting justice. Albeit if you grease enough palms they will find some peasant to blame it all on, confession guaranteed.
Thailand’s war with the foreign media
When was General Prem last seen in public ?
Good deeds and parliament
governments formed of democratically elected MPs are accountable to the people on a regular basis
the heart of democracy is elections at maximum intervals where all the people equally have the opportunity to vote out and vote in MPs
governments formed solely by these elected MPs are then directly accountable to the people, they have to perform to the peoples satisfaction and are corrupt at their own risk
for democracy to succeed all people must accept the result of elections and all individuals, institutions and organisations, including the military, are subject to the parliament
anyone that is dissatisfied with the rule of a democratically elected government is free to protest and organise but the only legitimate way to replace a government is to call an election for all the people to choose their representatives
any other scheme such as the PAD “appointed” MPs and dictatorship by the monarchy and military such as the current situation in Thailand are only accountable to the few who crave wealth and power for themselves and naturally corrupt the country for their own benefit
Thailand will transition to democracy, the only question is how long before enough people recognise it will be better for all Thai people?
Thailand’s war with the foreign media
Has anybody heard anything recently from Nick Nostitz? Seems like just another case of self-censorship in troubled times after giving us so much insightful information.
Who killed Italian photographer Fabio Polenghi?
Fabio death may be mysterious to foreign journalists but a brainless person could tell immediately that his death was definitely caused by the bullets from the Thai military. A few days after the forensic examination, some Thai newspaper reported that doctors confirmed that the bullets that found in Fabio body were from the Thai army. The order to clear all journalists off the Rajprasong area was a clear signal that the army will terminate anything while they move in. Fabio was just one of many more casualties that day. The fact that his death caused a big bang was only because he was a foreign reporter. Many more red-shirts were shot cold-blooded without any mercy. Many were shot and dragged into army trucks and disappeared forever. With Prayuth as a new army chief, more brutal murders will take place in the near future. Only god can tell what will happen to Thailand under these queen’s guard. But in many other places, no matter how powerful, how brutal those dictators were, democracy and righteousness would always prevail.
An alternative view of the Duch verdict in Cambodia
Benny, you are right on various points, but you continue to downplay ASEAN’s role (and just to clarify, I would never imply that you were trying to defend Indonesia’s position – I know your background and I like your book a lot – this is just for the sake of accuracy). ASEAN played a crucial role in organising diplomatic campaigning at the UN, to such an extent that by the early 1980s the great powers were taking their cues from ASEAN communiques. The resolutions at the UN to maintain the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia’s UN seat were not actually ‘US resolutions’ but ASEAN-sponsored resolutions, with the US only playing a supportive, back-room role. When there were differences – such as over the 1981 International Conference on Kampuchea – the US and China naturally won out, but these were few and far between. Especially after ASEAN cobbled together a new coalition government-in-exile in 1982 to mask the continued domination of the Khmer Rouge, the Association played a major role in convincing non-aligned countries to vote in favour of the overthrown regime and against the PRK and Vietnam. Non-aligned states did not, as you suggest, always abstain.
These points may seem pedantic, but to me they’re important. Whenever people discuss Cambodia in the 1980s, they are sometimes ready to acknowledge the US/Chinese role, but the vital part played by regional states is almost never acknowledged, allowing ASEAN to get off scot free. ASEAN is generally seen as a peace-loving, sovereignty-respecting organisation but its historical record is actually rather different. The broader point here is that local/regional states are often vital in maintaining imperialist strategies. We can think of the role of small Islamic states in the Afghanistan War, of Egypt and Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni civil war, of South Africa in policing radical states in Southern Africa, of Uganda acting as a US/UK proxy in supporting the RPF in Rwanda, of Brazil and other states acting as US proxies in Latin America during the Cold War, and so on. ‘Small’ and ‘weak’ states are often seen as insignificant in world politics but often their cooperation is vital to constituting the force and legitimacy required by leading states to project their power around the globe and pursue their projects successfully.
Robert Amsterdam on a “Strategy of Tension” in Bangkok
Christoffer Larsso, James, Robert Amsterdam’s law firm is a major member of the Chatham House,
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/membership/corporate/major_corporate_members_list/
Obviously pro-globalist, you can find every big bank, media group, equity firm, and corporation a member, many are co-members of the CFR. Its all conspiracy, no theory my friend. Robert Amsterdam has been planting stories in the MSM for years on behalf of his clientele, passing it off as journalism or expert analysis.
Take 5 minutes look it up. Yes, I posted the infowars articles, I did an immense amount of research, and most of the evidence consists of quotes from the UDD, red shirts themselves. Jakrapob is the one saying he is getting funding from overseas, not me, or Alex Jones.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2969629.htm
Sorry you don’t know that big bankers fund communism all over the world in order to empty out nations of old money and replace it with there’s. Worked like a charm in Cambodia. While Hun Sen makes similar “Thaksinesque” people’s power speeches, 45% of Cambodia’s landmass has been sold to foreign globalist investors.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/26/cambodia
BTW, brain eating vaccines are mainstream news, not fringe conspiracy – the technology is not disputed, and all infowars points out is that “if you can alter brain chemistry with vaccines for good, you can alter it for evil.” That’s common sense, for everyone besides James I suppose. I think something is wrong if you’re not worried about a government abusing that technology while they wage two criminal wars, shred the Bill of Rights, and just got caught with big-pharma goons hyping the swine flu.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/the-pandemic-that-never-was/story-e6frg6z6-1225905590249
Or maybe the Guardian, Australian, ABC, and even the Chatham House are all conspiracy wackos too?
Thailand’s war with the foreign media
WLH – 24
I think one can actaully be charge with LM even when one says he is perfectly healthy isn’t it?
French communist on Thai politics
The peaceful cure for Thai fascism and return to political health are just around the corner. A thoroughly unpopular King and a discredited army. The giant boil that has been growing on the backside of Thailand for 60 years will finally be lanced.
Thai institutions: Constitutional Court
Tarrin #4 – not to mention the the case against the UDD leaders is also already underway in the court.
Thailand’s war with the foreign media
Ah, but Bush was also reported dead, when he is not. And no one press charges, despite his country and his seat is much larger.
Thailand’s war with the foreign media
Tarrin@23:
“Sharing some info about the power-that-may-be is like asking for a jail term here.”
So is saying that the king is dead when he’s not.
An alternative view of the Duch verdict in Cambodia
Thank you Lee Jones. As I stated in my previous comment although I am Indonesian I worked all my life for the United Nations as an International Cibviul servant and was not endorsing or defending the Indonesian position. What happened in new York I saw with my own eyes as i was stationed there. As I related in chapter 2 of my book Dancing in Shadows: Sihanouk, the kHmer Rouge and the United Nations, Rowman Littlefield: 2008 available from Amazon.com, therewas a two pronged atatck by the west to isolate and if possible defeat the PRK as they dont want another vietnam to rule Cambodia. One is what happened in the United Nations in New York, and two is what happened in the field. In New York, ASEAN has no power at all to influence UN decisions as there were 120 member states (today 193). The UN General Assembly is dominated by five veto wielding powers and the US and China managed to sway the majority of the member countries to vote for the Khmer Rouge to be seated as the legitimate government of Cambodia. This outrage continued for eleven years although the Khmer Rouge wolf was draped in sheep’s clothes consisting ofthe Royalists FUNCINPEC and the pro American KPNLF. The vote for the US resolution was 71 for, 35 against, 34 abstention and 12 absentees. The Soviet bloc . India and many non aligned countries voted against or abstained and wanted to keep the Cambodian seat vacant, as proposed by India head of the non aligned countries at the time. . Ambassador Tommy Koh of Singapore, a staunch ally of the US, brilliantly maneuvered not to allow the Indian proposal to leave the Cambodian seat empty to take place.Yes, ASEAN of course voted with the US and China and for eleven years Ambassador Thioun Prasidh of the Khmer Rouge sips cocktails and lobbied against the PRK at every cocktail party which is almost evry night during the General Assembly. . I tried to avoid him. Every day for eleven years the Khmer Rouge flag was flying over Manhattan. This fact which is shameful for the west is often swept under the carpet by western journalists.Yes, you and Victims Rights were correct that in the field the CGDK (Khmer Rouge, FUNCINPEC and KPNLF were very much aided by Thailand and singapore and China as well as the US. China funneled weapons through the DEeng hsiao Ping trail from Utapao base to the Cambodian border with the Thai military getting its cut.Thus the “civil war”was aided by diplomatic maneuverings in new York to continue to recognize the Khmer rouge and by military and other support to rescucitate the three factions at the border to fight the PRK. China supported the west politically but was then a very poor economic entity. Tand oday China is an economic giant and is the largest supplier of foreign aid to Cambodia and is a sizeable foreign investor as well.
Today the west is trying to do the same with Myanmar by imposing economic sanctions for twenty years. The difference today is that China is an economic giant and has today surpassed Japan as the number two largest economy of the world. The economic sanctions for twenty years against Myanmar like they did against Cambodia today does not work at all, as the economic giant China is providing Myanmar with foreign aid, as well as trade and China’s province of Yunan supplies all the consumer goods needed by Myanmar while Myanmar supplies China with natural gas and other raw materials. Myanmar can therefore ignore the west and rely on China and India as partners.
Good deeds and parliament
Before encouraging people to do good deed, we probably need to have good system first. What I see now is that people like Newin prosper while people like Mingkwan is being kick out, just good deed slogan is not enough if we still have governing system that is so rotten.