Chris Beale: your comments are not helpful in clarifying royal wealth. As I understand it, Forbes rankings are based on them having data. So you can assert away, but it doesn’t change much. Forbes bases its calculations on the original research conducted by Porphant Ouyyanont and published in the Journal of Contemporary Asia in its first issue in 2008. It was after that data became available that the Mahidol family jumped up the Forbes list to head it ever since. By the way, that research is, as far as I am aware, the only published piece on the topic that included research in the Crown Property Bureau. So this is the place to begin discussions.
But even that research is not complete on the wealth of the royal family because it only examined CPB holdings. That is, it excluded all property and wealth not held by the CPB but held by the royals. No one has any idea of the size of that wealth, but it would include property, jewelry, art, artifacts, cash at banks and so on.
The CPB is arguably the largest landowner in Thailand in terms of value because of the very large holdings in Bangkok’s CBD. It may also be the largest in terms of area but the Land department refuses to release data on land ownership. And Forbes continues to rank the Thai royal family as the wealthiest in the world with (CPB) assets of US$30 billion at the last count.
An aside: One might consider this another Chinese rags-to-riches story from Thailand for when the present king came to the throne there were claims that they were broke and the CPB in exceptionally poor shape.
At first glance Hla Oo’s own traumatic childhood and past army experience appear to have coloured and confused his view on Aung San and the army he did found but never lived long enough to have shaped and moulded it.
True, the Japanese training and legacy made a lasting impact including the brutality and execution of POWs. Aung San did what he had to do in executing the Indian headman, as the leader of a new national liberation army in the early days of spearheading the Japanese invasion of Burma. He typically never denied that he committed the act.
Hla Oo’s father’s hero worship and the lack of ideological conviction appear to play a major part in his becoming the first high ranking commander of the CPB to surrender to the Tatmadaw not long after the communists were forced to take to the jungles by the Socialist government of the newly independent Burma. He and his family were taken under the wings of his erstwhile comrades in the army.
Aung San’s own paramilitary organisation of demobbed veterans (PVO – People’s Volunteer Organisation or Pyithu Yèbaw) split into two factions , one of which – Yèbaw Pyu – was the first to join the communist rebellion just a few months after independence, followed by three of the five Burma Rifles regiments that called themselves the Revolutionary Burma Army (RBA) led by communist officers.
The army had since remained in the hands of the Socialist commanders led by Ne Win who became the sole architect of the modern Burmese army now called the Bama Tatmadaw. The rest as they say is history.
To apportion the lion’s share of blame on Aung San, who died at the age of 32 having led the fight for independence since his university student days but who remained at the head of the national liberation army under the Japanese for just over 3 years, and who has been sainted and martyred by the Burmese nation as their national hero and father of independence, for the sins of those who had proclaimed his legacy and mantle in the first instance in order to consolidate their grip on the country but now for obvious reasons trying to distance themselves from the name Aung San smacks of a deliberate smear campaign in support of the current military dictatorship.
I’m truly sorry that no main-stream media care to publish the news about the doctor whose name had been use by someone else to vote. If this is to happen during Thaksin time then the EC will surely nullify the election. Sadly it will never happen with Democrat party.
After some hard consideration about Peter Warr’s statement and yours in particular, I have to say that those that still talk about non-violence now is a utopian who believe that peace can solve anything.
Btw, my question is not to change topic, but rather to point out that fighting for independent in India and fighting among ideology and classes can’t exactly follow the same route. Non-violence in not a cure all medicine.
I understand what you are trying to say here, but Thailand doesn’t have the “due process” to go about dealing with something so subjective like a person “statement”. Moreover, political opinion and customer protection got nothing to do with each other, so comparing the two is a bit odd and out of focus. Political opinion and ideology is something intangible and can be very hard to prove one way or another. However, merchandise advertisement is tangible.
Furthermore, the problem in Thailand is not only about suppression of freedom of speech but also suppression only one side of the political ideology but not the other. This is where the double standard become obvious.
You might agree with LM law, you have to right to support it but how about the right for other people to speak against it? or at least, the right to speak against the harsh punishment of the law. I still remember the case where a doctor got release from jail from murdered his own wife. The reason for his release was because the judge thinks that he is “useful” to the society. I saw him walking around the university campus smiling at his students. On the other hand, people like Da Torpedo has to face 20 years in jail just because she speak. In my opinion, Thailand is at it lowest when we let the murderer walks free and jail the political activist.
You might also agree with emergency decree to suppress the red, but will that solve the problem? do you think people will just lay low and be suppress forever? history has taught us again and again that the more oppression people receive, the more violent they become. I hope Thailand is not building another Mao or Stalin because of this.
You have to admit that the protest was peaceful until the authority attempt to crash the protesters
I have to admit that during that period there was not much, if any, violence — that I am aware of, of course. But obviously, that does not mean the leadership explicitly advocated non-violence. Which is what Peter Warr said.
I have said what I said. Peter Warr said what he said. If you disagree with what was explicitly said, say so krup. If not, admit you’re quite conveniently changing the topic krup. (I’m not qualified to discuss the new topic & will move on.)
Red Shirt protest was not explicitly non-violent. Elements seemingly tolerated violence. Simple as that. That’s what Peter Warr said (see also his latest blog at East Asia Forum). That’s what I defended him for saying. I don’t see why this truth bothers anyone to the point it must be whitewashed.
Google Translate works well – just copy/paste the link into the box. Use your choice of ‘x’ irrelevant language to translate from (e.g. Chinese) into English.
rather than obfuscate, Stan-the-man should not try to take my points out of context; that’s a bit mischievous (reminds me of trying to understand Abhisit’s logic in his explanations!) Firstly, the person who presented the smear tactics was the PT Party Spokesperson; and as any party they have the right to bring this to the attention of EC (even if EC dont really care to hear from the opposition) Secondly, if an election were to be called and fairly accounted, then the PT Party would win as they clearly have the support of majority peoples in Thailand. Painful eh Stan? new evidence is coming forward on stolen votes. But really does anyone care?
The govt reaction to his white paper is described there as well:
“The response by the government to the white paper has been disappointing and evasive. The Prime Minister has chosen not to offer any defense to the facts and evidence presented, but rather cast out groundless and slanderous personal attacks.”
Why would anyone consider his drivel seriously is beyond me, it’s aimed at members of international audience who know nothing of the conflict and need to be recruited into Thaksin’s struggle.
Tarrin,
I am surprized that the supposedly ‘competent officials’ of Thai govt would fall to these ploys of the UDD–by arresting Sombat, Nattie, or 16-yr old boy cases of the freedom of expression.
An underdog boxer will take aim at the cut opened on the stronger opponent’s face after the fourth round to score a TKO win. There is not any rule for that in Queenbury boxing. Now, that is boxing. My personal anger has nothing to do with the freedom of expression but smypathy for my duped red shirts friends in my village. I always go by this dictum: everyone has the freedom to make mistake. Freedom of liars end when the court of law deemed someone else’s freedom is infringed. Well, they have the right to repeat that freedom again. Why do we have Consumer Protection Law? For example, ‘bait and switch’ where customers are lured to the store for item of merchandise that did not exist in the store.
In the current situation of Emergency Decree, almost half of the 1300-odd respondents wanted the decree to stay. Power is given to the govt to stabalize the post-crisis uneasiness. Chiangmai governor wants the emergency decree to stay. The red-shirted mob could not burn ‘sala klang’/townhall in Chiangmai during the recent crisis, the mob burned governor’s house, instead. Ironically Khun Thaksin passed this ESL/emergency situation law two years two months three days before he got wrongfully booted out of two-third control of Thailand. I praised him in my business class in 2001 for his acumen: Money in the TRT constituents’ pockets in the 1st term; infrastucture spending on the 2nd term. Khun Chalerm knows that Thaksin label is the only thing marketable in their political future. He can run Thailand in his castle by his Montenigrin lake.
I believe most of the stuffs blocked by the govt could be LM related. Likelihood of it coming from outside Thailand is great. Expats, are you doing time here? From the compliants I have read in various sources, quite a few have axes to grind. Our Asean neighbours are less than 24 hours away. Try insulting the parents of the humble local/chao ban nok Or feel free to sledge-hammer the statue of Guardian Spirit/Chao Puu in the village! You will be deadmeat! Meanwhile, exact your ‘cowardly revenge of the intimidated’ in the comfort of your homes.
Finally, someone died here at Rajprasong on July 25, 2010! I will be doing that little part of my freedom of expression on Friday. I want to be the 27th terrorist in Bkk court of law! Soap opera movement is great hearts and minds winner’s move. Khun Korkaew, your mafia boss is not running the country to allow you out of prison to campaign with a substitute in the gaol. Kuhn Thaksin chose this prime time to reach the hearts and minds of his followers. Lakorn nham now!
Who would want Seh Daeng, the missing link to the Big Boss, disposed of?
Let’s forget Bob Amsterdam. He is an irrelevance, because he fails to see (perhaps deliberately) that Thailand is still completely trapped in shallow personality politics. It appears he too has effectively sold himself out to the succession contenders. Indeed, one might say – anyway – that this kind of shallow personality politics is unlikely to change anytime soon, when the system has a semi-divinity built into it.
There are frequent complaints here, by the so-called intellectuals, that opponents of the redshirts are obsessed with Thaksin. In a system in which individual ‘rich’ politicians (with deliberately incoherent policies) are far more evident than organic (and coherent) political parties, the true opponent of ‘big-biz’ is naturally obsessed with those who fund and organize the political mayhem for their very own personal reasons. The red shirts could easily distance themselves from that sad fact if they so wished. The fact that they don’t will always lead them open to accusations that they are a pure sham of a political grouping. Which is all the ammunition their equally crooked succession contenders will ever need.
As an individual who stands to gain precisely nothing from either side in this daft conflict, I do not feel at all happy lumped in with such anti-Thaksin fascists as Sonthi and Chamlong. (His erstwhile buddies, while I have long been his enemy.) But at least I can feel happy that I am still free in my own head to think that they are very much an equal pestilence. Such thoughts about any of the main succession contenders are and will be supressed under ANY regime Thais are likely to elect or prod into power in the next few years – regardless of how hard they try to force a ‘democratic’ dream world on the rest of us mere wageslaves.
So the next time someone uses the worn-out excuse that the redshirts are hag-ridden by those who are obsessed with Thaksin, let’s try to remember that a cohesive political grouping could and would create distance between themselves and the traditional financiers of Thai money politics. I have NO regrets about about being either anti-Thaksin OR about seeing his enemies as just as awful. Indeed, I also blame them for their total incompetence in allowing Thaksin far too much wiggle-room at the start of his regime. (They once also thought he was wonderful, while some of us were able to note his despotic tendencies right back in the early 90s.) And now I still blame them for failing to provide any viable alternative.
This struggle is still nothing more than an interfactional succession squabble in which less-privileged Thais have been temporarily hired as cannon fodder for those with all the big guns. The genuine grievances of the less-privileged will be largely ignored once the factions have acheived what they want out of this. That said, I have a feeling that neither side will really benefit much from the inevitable civil war of their own making.
[…] killed at Rajprasong holds press conference July 28, 2010 Leave a comment Go to comments New Mandala has notes received of a press conference by Elisabetta Polenghi, sister of Fabio Polenghi, the […]
The “smear” complaint was presented to the EC by a man who doesn’t even live in the constituency, it was written on a single sheet of paper and has no supporting evidence whatsoever. It’s also directed not at Panich, the candidate, but at another Democrat member.
Now PTP makes a lot of fuss about EC not taking it seriously.
Pot calling kettle back indeed.
One other thing this election demonstrated is the red shirt pledge to accept election results. It has disappeared almost completely and now they go on about injustice and favoritism and uneven playing field and what not.
Now they have proven that people shouldn’t have believed them when they were calling for elections during their protest. They would never ever accept a defeat or being in minority, no matter what they say.
Tarrin #66 – Bh.V isn’t a journalist, or Thai, though. If I’m not mistaken, he’s a mercantile monk, American (?), who sells holiday packages, experiences of ‘Thai spiritual tourism’. If he is the person I think he is, he used to post on this site using his full name, with a link to his promotional site. I followed it & got the picture very quickly. Unfortunately I’ve lost the link. Perhaps he’d supply it for us again? If he is that person, I suppose he’s probably fairly well-qualified to talk about “foreigners who undermine the nation for profit.”
Shawn isn’t a died in the wool regime apologist. It’s just working for him. It’s much easier to write stuff when you can listen to whispers and don’t have to actually do any work. He also follows the mantra “don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story”.
I love Shawn and think he at times had been one of the most insightful journalists in Thailand. But he’ll bite on anything. Value for money though!
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Thailand in Crisis – Episode 5
Chris Beale: your comments are not helpful in clarifying royal wealth. As I understand it, Forbes rankings are based on them having data. So you can assert away, but it doesn’t change much. Forbes bases its calculations on the original research conducted by Porphant Ouyyanont and published in the Journal of Contemporary Asia in its first issue in 2008. It was after that data became available that the Mahidol family jumped up the Forbes list to head it ever since. By the way, that research is, as far as I am aware, the only published piece on the topic that included research in the Crown Property Bureau. So this is the place to begin discussions.
But even that research is not complete on the wealth of the royal family because it only examined CPB holdings. That is, it excluded all property and wealth not held by the CPB but held by the royals. No one has any idea of the size of that wealth, but it would include property, jewelry, art, artifacts, cash at banks and so on.
The CPB is arguably the largest landowner in Thailand in terms of value because of the very large holdings in Bangkok’s CBD. It may also be the largest in terms of area but the Land department refuses to release data on land ownership. And Forbes continues to rank the Thai royal family as the wealthiest in the world with (CPB) assets of US$30 billion at the last count.
An aside: One might consider this another Chinese rags-to-riches story from Thailand for when the present king came to the throne there were claims that they were broke and the CPB in exceptionally poor shape.
Burma in Limbo, Part 1
At first glance Hla Oo’s own traumatic childhood and past army experience appear to have coloured and confused his view on Aung San and the army he did found but never lived long enough to have shaped and moulded it.
True, the Japanese training and legacy made a lasting impact including the brutality and execution of POWs. Aung San did what he had to do in executing the Indian headman, as the leader of a new national liberation army in the early days of spearheading the Japanese invasion of Burma. He typically never denied that he committed the act.
Hla Oo’s father’s hero worship and the lack of ideological conviction appear to play a major part in his becoming the first high ranking commander of the CPB to surrender to the Tatmadaw not long after the communists were forced to take to the jungles by the Socialist government of the newly independent Burma. He and his family were taken under the wings of his erstwhile comrades in the army.
Aung San’s own paramilitary organisation of demobbed veterans (PVO – People’s Volunteer Organisation or Pyithu Yèbaw) split into two factions , one of which – Yèbaw Pyu – was the first to join the communist rebellion just a few months after independence, followed by three of the five Burma Rifles regiments that called themselves the Revolutionary Burma Army (RBA) led by communist officers.
The army had since remained in the hands of the Socialist commanders led by Ne Win who became the sole architect of the modern Burmese army now called the Bama Tatmadaw. The rest as they say is history.
To apportion the lion’s share of blame on Aung San, who died at the age of 32 having led the fight for independence since his university student days but who remained at the head of the national liberation army under the Japanese for just over 3 years, and who has been sainted and martyred by the Burmese nation as their national hero and father of independence, for the sins of those who had proclaimed his legacy and mantle in the first instance in order to consolidate their grip on the country but now for obvious reasons trying to distance themselves from the name Aung San smacks of a deliberate smear campaign in support of the current military dictatorship.
Bangkok Constituency 6: judgement day
Jim Taylor – 54
I’m truly sorry that no main-stream media care to publish the news about the doctor whose name had been use by someone else to vote. If this is to happen during Thaksin time then the EC will surely nullify the election. Sadly it will never happen with Democrat party.
Thailand in Crisis – Episode 5
Ben – 22
After some hard consideration about Peter Warr’s statement and yours in particular, I have to say that those that still talk about non-violence now is a utopian who believe that peace can solve anything.
Btw, my question is not to change topic, but rather to point out that fighting for independent in India and fighting among ideology and classes can’t exactly follow the same route. Non-violence in not a cure all medicine.
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
Tarrin– Exactly so, thank you.
Michael–You are so wide of the mark that we assume you are being ironic. If so, carry on.
If not so, we insist you address us as our other followers with puerile imagination do: “Father.”
Freedom of expression in Thailand
denyzofisarn – 22
I understand what you are trying to say here, but Thailand doesn’t have the “due process” to go about dealing with something so subjective like a person “statement”. Moreover, political opinion and customer protection got nothing to do with each other, so comparing the two is a bit odd and out of focus. Political opinion and ideology is something intangible and can be very hard to prove one way or another. However, merchandise advertisement is tangible.
Furthermore, the problem in Thailand is not only about suppression of freedom of speech but also suppression only one side of the political ideology but not the other. This is where the double standard become obvious.
You might agree with LM law, you have to right to support it but how about the right for other people to speak against it? or at least, the right to speak against the harsh punishment of the law. I still remember the case where a doctor got release from jail from murdered his own wife. The reason for his release was because the judge thinks that he is “useful” to the society. I saw him walking around the university campus smiling at his students. On the other hand, people like Da Torpedo has to face 20 years in jail just because she speak. In my opinion, Thailand is at it lowest when we let the murderer walks free and jail the political activist.
You might also agree with emergency decree to suppress the red, but will that solve the problem? do you think people will just lay low and be suppress forever? history has taught us again and again that the more oppression people receive, the more violent they become. I hope Thailand is not building another Mao or Stalin because of this.
Thailand in Crisis – Episode 5
Tarrin // Jul 1, 2010 at 3:45 pm — 19
You have to admit that the protest was peaceful until the authority attempt to crash the protesters
I have to admit that during that period there was not much, if any, violence — that I am aware of, of course. But obviously, that does not mean the leadership explicitly advocated non-violence. Which is what Peter Warr said.
I have said what I said. Peter Warr said what he said. If you disagree with what was explicitly said, say so krup. If not, admit you’re quite conveniently changing the topic krup. (I’m not qualified to discuss the new topic & will move on.)
Red Shirt protest was not explicitly non-violent. Elements seemingly tolerated violence. Simple as that. That’s what Peter Warr said (see also his latest blog at East Asia Forum). That’s what I defended him for saying. I don’t see why this truth bothers anyone to the point it must be whitewashed.
The logic of lese majeste
c11
Google Translate works well – just copy/paste the link into the box. Use your choice of ‘x’ irrelevant language to translate from (e.g. Chinese) into English.
http://translate.google.com/#zh-CN|en|
Bangkok Constituency 6: judgement day
rather than obfuscate, Stan-the-man should not try to take my points out of context; that’s a bit mischievous (reminds me of trying to understand Abhisit’s logic in his explanations!) Firstly, the person who presented the smear tactics was the PT Party Spokesperson; and as any party they have the right to bring this to the attention of EC (even if EC dont really care to hear from the opposition) Secondly, if an election were to be called and fairly accounted, then the PT Party would win as they clearly have the support of majority peoples in Thailand. Painful eh Stan? new evidence is coming forward on stolen votes. But really does anyone care?
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
Amsterdam’s works are filled with all kinds of propaganda tricks that would take days if not months to unravel.
Take this new article in Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-amsterdam/thailands-legitimacy-defi_b_658905.html
The govt reaction to his white paper is described there as well:
“The response by the government to the white paper has been disappointing and evasive. The Prime Minister has chosen not to offer any defense to the facts and evidence presented, but rather cast out groundless and slanderous personal attacks.”
The link to these alleged attacks, http://robertamsterdam.com/thailand/?p=215 , does not site any, certainly not by the Prime Minister himself.
Why would anyone consider his drivel seriously is beyond me, it’s aimed at members of international audience who know nothing of the conflict and need to be recruited into Thaksin’s struggle.
Freedom of expression in Thailand
Tarrin,
I am surprized that the supposedly ‘competent officials’ of Thai govt would fall to these ploys of the UDD–by arresting Sombat, Nattie, or 16-yr old boy cases of the freedom of expression.
An underdog boxer will take aim at the cut opened on the stronger opponent’s face after the fourth round to score a TKO win. There is not any rule for that in Queenbury boxing. Now, that is boxing. My personal anger has nothing to do with the freedom of expression but smypathy for my duped red shirts friends in my village. I always go by this dictum: everyone has the freedom to make mistake. Freedom of liars end when the court of law deemed someone else’s freedom is infringed. Well, they have the right to repeat that freedom again. Why do we have Consumer Protection Law? For example, ‘bait and switch’ where customers are lured to the store for item of merchandise that did not exist in the store.
In the current situation of Emergency Decree, almost half of the 1300-odd respondents wanted the decree to stay. Power is given to the govt to stabalize the post-crisis uneasiness. Chiangmai governor wants the emergency decree to stay. The red-shirted mob could not burn ‘sala klang’/townhall in Chiangmai during the recent crisis, the mob burned governor’s house, instead. Ironically Khun Thaksin passed this ESL/emergency situation law two years two months three days before he got wrongfully booted out of two-third control of Thailand. I praised him in my business class in 2001 for his acumen: Money in the TRT constituents’ pockets in the 1st term; infrastucture spending on the 2nd term. Khun Chalerm knows that Thaksin label is the only thing marketable in their political future. He can run Thailand in his castle by his Montenigrin lake.
I believe most of the stuffs blocked by the govt could be LM related. Likelihood of it coming from outside Thailand is great. Expats, are you doing time here? From the compliants I have read in various sources, quite a few have axes to grind. Our Asean neighbours are less than 24 hours away. Try insulting the parents of the humble local/chao ban nok Or feel free to sledge-hammer the statue of Guardian Spirit/Chao Puu in the village! You will be deadmeat! Meanwhile, exact your ‘cowardly revenge of the intimidated’ in the comfort of your homes.
Finally, someone died here at Rajprasong on July 25, 2010! I will be doing that little part of my freedom of expression on Friday. I want to be the 27th terrorist in Bkk court of law! Soap opera movement is great hearts and minds winner’s move. Khun Korkaew, your mafia boss is not running the country to allow you out of prison to campaign with a substitute in the gaol. Kuhn Thaksin chose this prime time to reach the hearts and minds of his followers. Lakorn nham now!
Who would want Seh Daeng, the missing link to the Big Boss, disposed of?
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
Let’s forget Bob Amsterdam. He is an irrelevance, because he fails to see (perhaps deliberately) that Thailand is still completely trapped in shallow personality politics. It appears he too has effectively sold himself out to the succession contenders. Indeed, one might say – anyway – that this kind of shallow personality politics is unlikely to change anytime soon, when the system has a semi-divinity built into it.
There are frequent complaints here, by the so-called intellectuals, that opponents of the redshirts are obsessed with Thaksin. In a system in which individual ‘rich’ politicians (with deliberately incoherent policies) are far more evident than organic (and coherent) political parties, the true opponent of ‘big-biz’ is naturally obsessed with those who fund and organize the political mayhem for their very own personal reasons. The red shirts could easily distance themselves from that sad fact if they so wished. The fact that they don’t will always lead them open to accusations that they are a pure sham of a political grouping. Which is all the ammunition their equally crooked succession contenders will ever need.
As an individual who stands to gain precisely nothing from either side in this daft conflict, I do not feel at all happy lumped in with such anti-Thaksin fascists as Sonthi and Chamlong. (His erstwhile buddies, while I have long been his enemy.) But at least I can feel happy that I am still free in my own head to think that they are very much an equal pestilence. Such thoughts about any of the main succession contenders are and will be supressed under ANY regime Thais are likely to elect or prod into power in the next few years – regardless of how hard they try to force a ‘democratic’ dream world on the rest of us mere wageslaves.
So the next time someone uses the worn-out excuse that the redshirts are hag-ridden by those who are obsessed with Thaksin, let’s try to remember that a cohesive political grouping could and would create distance between themselves and the traditional financiers of Thai money politics. I have NO regrets about about being either anti-Thaksin OR about seeing his enemies as just as awful. Indeed, I also blame them for their total incompetence in allowing Thaksin far too much wiggle-room at the start of his regime. (They once also thought he was wonderful, while some of us were able to note his despotic tendencies right back in the early 90s.) And now I still blame them for failing to provide any viable alternative.
This struggle is still nothing more than an interfactional succession squabble in which less-privileged Thais have been temporarily hired as cannon fodder for those with all the big guns. The genuine grievances of the less-privileged will be largely ignored once the factions have acheived what they want out of this. That said, I have a feeling that neither side will really benefit much from the inevitable civil war of their own making.
Press conference on the death of Fabio Polenghi
[…] killed at Rajprasong holds press conference July 28, 2010 Leave a comment Go to comments New Mandala has notes received of a press conference by Elisabetta Polenghi, sister of Fabio Polenghi, the […]
Bangkok Constituency 6: judgement day
The “smear” complaint was presented to the EC by a man who doesn’t even live in the constituency, it was written on a single sheet of paper and has no supporting evidence whatsoever. It’s also directed not at Panich, the candidate, but at another Democrat member.
Now PTP makes a lot of fuss about EC not taking it seriously.
Pot calling kettle back indeed.
One other thing this election demonstrated is the red shirt pledge to accept election results. It has disappeared almost completely and now they go on about injustice and favoritism and uneven playing field and what not.
Now they have proven that people shouldn’t have believed them when they were calling for elections during their protest. They would never ever accept a defeat or being in minority, no matter what they say.
Press conference on the death of Fabio Polenghi
I hope Fabio’s sister will read Shawn Crispin’s articles at atimes.com BEFORE and AFTER Abhisit came to power in late 2008.
She can also ask friends to help her judge this guy’s way of thinking by reading those articles carefully.
“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
Tarrin #66 – Bh.V isn’t a journalist, or Thai, though. If I’m not mistaken, he’s a mercantile monk, American (?), who sells holiday packages, experiences of ‘Thai spiritual tourism’. If he is the person I think he is, he used to post on this site using his full name, with a link to his promotional site. I followed it & got the picture very quickly. Unfortunately I’ve lost the link. Perhaps he’d supply it for us again? If he is that person, I suppose he’s probably fairly well-qualified to talk about “foreigners who undermine the nation for profit.”
Press conference on the death of Fabio Polenghi
Shawn isn’t a died in the wool regime apologist. It’s just working for him. It’s much easier to write stuff when you can listen to whispers and don’t have to actually do any work. He also follows the mantra “don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story”.
I love Shawn and think he at times had been one of the most insightful journalists in Thailand. But he’ll bite on anything. Value for money though!
The logic of lese majeste
Unsigned // Jul 28, 2010 at 1:47 am
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“The Bangkok Massacres: A call for accountability”
Bh.V – 65
There are 2 sentences of different meaning in a statement, tricky Thailand journalism always use this tactic to full effect.
The logic of lese majeste
denyzofisarn – 9
Where do you draw the line between “insult” and “academic criticism” ?