“The huge massage parlour and entertainment centre on Ratchadaphisek, Din Daeng, is owned by Bhumjaithai Party secretary-general Pornthiva’s father, Surinat Saksiriwetakul.
“I’m not running the Poseidon business, even though it is a family business,” Mrs Pornthiva said.” (minister of commerce)
This is Asia and its a family business – if its on Neptune, I will by that statement. The of course she would not be “hands on” with the running, so on face value the statement is true.
Its amazing how many people like DEL are so eager to believe every statement released by the CRES, even though they have proved themselves to be utterly untrustworthy.
@DEL:
“The Red Shirts occupation and violent rampage of M79 bombings and arson and murder certainly cannot be erased”
Your right with a compliant media the arson and M79 attacks will be continually repeated, to re-enforce the CRES narrative of terrorism. Without the propaganda machine to support this story acts of terrorism can easily be forgotten or brushed under the carpet, if those acts are in support of the amaart.
Such as the 7th Oct 2008, the only time the security forces tried to take concrete action against the PAD. The result of this action, 4 police officers shot, 3 run over by pick up truck, car bomb detonated and numerous ping pong grenades fried everywhere. The police backed off after this day because they realized any further attempt to remove the PAD would have led to much worse violence, hence the reason they were allowed to occupy the airports. These acts of “terrorism” have been “erased” as you put it, this is easy when the media is so easily controlled as is the case in Thailand.
Denyzofisarn #45 : quite true – gross human rights abuses are nothing new there. Absolutely tragic that they have n’t been able to progress to a more civilised, more peaceful way of settling differences.
John Francis Lee # 46, John Worth #47, and superanonymous #49 :
adding to suspicions about what was really happening is the fact that sniper fire kept away the firebrigades.
Del # 48 – I agree these two farang went too far, actively taking part in what is ultimately the internal affairs of a sovereign nation of which they are not citizens, and possibly breaking Thai law. But that does n’t justify slandering NM, which is merely hosting a wide-range of opinions, analysis, and commentary from a separate country, Australia, which is increasingly concerned – alarmed even – about what is happening in an important regional neighbour.
Chris B # 204.
yes, Khun Chuwit is the owner of the ‘massage parlour kingdom’ in and along Ratchada Road – including the enormous & surreal ‘Poseidon’ sex-complex where in early April this year, a car bomb went off……
He was the Chart-Thai party’s deputy leader in 2006 – he ran for Bangkok governor in 2004. His campaign billboards hilariously pictured him with a sledgehammer (or German shepherd guard dog, at heel). A ‘colourful’ character.
Chris Baker, don’t ruin whatever reputation you might have as a historian by implying that R8’s rise to the throne was without debate.
The 1924 Palace Law gave the Saovabha/Chakrabongse -line priority over the Savang Vadhana/Mahidol-line. Saovabha’s son, Prince Chakrabongse Bhuvanath, produced a legitimate son, Chula Chakrabongse, that had a certain degree of eligibility to the throne. It’s true that Section 11 of the 1924 Palace Law forbids offspring of foreigners from rising to the throne and Prince Chakrabongse Bhuvanath married a Russian – however, the Law was enacted after the marriage.
If it wasn’t for Pridi Bhanomyong’s legal opinion that the retroactive law still applied to Chula Chakrabongse, despite its ex post facto-nature, we would have had a different R8.
Just to get this back on the topic of suggestions for Abhisit, I have a suggestion for a new military code of honor.
Army leaders customarily say that they would only hold a coup when corruption, anti-democratic forces, etc. etc. are so prevalent that they have no choice. It’s never something they want to do, it’s something that they are forced to do for the good of the nation. It is in fact a heroic gesture as General Saprang reminded us.
Well, I can accept that logic. What I can’t accept is that they always give themselves an amnesty from prosecution. Heroism requires scarifice.
Wouldn’t it be much more heroic if they renounced amnesties and agreed to face trial?
Or having handed over power to their selected nominee, immediately go into a penniless exile.
Anonymous @ 15: I was ridiculing Stephenson’s statement that the “general has had to go through enormous subterfuge to stay in touch with me because all communications with the outside world are monitored.”
Enormous subterfuge? All communications with the outside world are monitored?
Avoid using his own telephone, obviously — as you point out, calls are easily monitored. But he could have used any telephone not registered to him and avoided identifying himself in the conversation. He could have sent faxes. He could have sent anonymous emails. He probably could have sent anonymous letters through the mail. “Enormous subterfuge” is hardly necessary.
Christopher Larsson # 18 – yes indeed it is an eye-opener, all part of the almost eye-popping machinations and manuoeverings of Thai politics.
It’s an extraordinary intellectual feat to be able to work out what is really going on, behind the scenes, which is why I’d like to respectfully ask Chris Baker what his thoughts are re. what Stevenson says re. military factionalism, if Chris feels like commenting.
Neptunian Cosmos 202: Please don’t accuse me of supporting the military.
The shooting of 6 innocent civilians (red shirt supporters) in Wat Pathumwanaram during the crack down last week for me chillingly echoes the Krue Se mosque incident in April 2004. Please remember Thaksin’s use of excessive military force in the deep south fueled and fallowed the ground for the much wider insurgency that now plaques provinces like Yala and Pattani today.
4 January 2004:
Well-trained groups raided an army arsenal, torched 20 schools and three police posts, and set off several bombs. Thaksin declared martial law the following day. He sent combat troops to conduct raids on mosques and schools and the police made dozens of arrests, often on weak evidence. According to local religious leaders, more than 100 residents were abducted and killed in the four months after 4 January. It is difficult to verify these claims but there is certainly a widespread perception among southern Muslims that they are true.
28 April 2004:
Pattani’s historic Krue Se mosque – When militants holed up inside refused to surrender, Special Forces troops stormed the mosque and gunned down all 32. By midday, 108 militants, many of them lightly armed teenagers, were dead, along with 5 members of the security forces. Although a government appointed commission ruled that the army did use excessive force, not a single officer was brought to account.
October 25th, 2004: Tak Bai.
88 Muslim men and boys died at the hands of the security forces. Seven died when soldiers fired on the crowd, another three were found drowned in a nearby river, but perhaps most shockingly, 78 died of asphyxiation in army custody. After ordering the protestors to lie face down for over an hour, tying their hands behind their backs, and in many cases kicking them and hitting them with rifle butts, soldiers stacked some 1,300 men and boys four and five deep in trucks which were then covered with tarpaulins for a five-hour drive to an army barracks in sweltering hot Pattani.
Mungo Gubbins (#59): Well, the game was not over and its conclusion was in doubt (consider for example the court decision on Supinya’s case), but the army decided to turn off the stadium lights and kick out everybody. Why? Because they had the guns. (#52) Why would “A coup … have been impossible if a significant percentage of the population were not of the opinion that their democratic rights had already been abused?” And what qualifies as a “significant percentage?” Whose bidding was the army actually doing?
Ozorro: Can you please give your definition of terrorism? If mob violence in other countries results in arson (e.g. urban riots in the US), would you call it terrorism? What about cases in Thailand where mob violence does not result in arson (e.g. the PAD invasion of NBT in 2008)? You can vilify New Mandala readers all you like, but that doesn’t amount to a cogent argument.
Som: You say that red shirt shirt mobs would have burned down the city but the government stopped them. That is arguable, but I’m struck by what little the army seemed to have done to stop Central World from being burned down. It’s not clear at all to me why once they started their offensive – and had already caused and taken casualties – they stopped short of securing the Rajprasong area.
Maybe it’s old news, but to me it’s still an eye-opener that the man (General Pallop Pinmanee) who was next in line to become the leader of PAD, is now being accused by the government of being behind the black-clad men at the red-shirt protest and the burning down of buildings in Bangkok.
So true, A. And the recent outbreak of arson and crime in Thailand (following the Red Shirt leaders’ decision to surrender to the authorities who had accused them of “terrorism”) only lends further credibility to your argument. That was when the disenfranchisement finally boiled over. They burned the establishments that they knew were taking advantage of the poor and supporting an elitist government.
And what is the response from the privileged of Thailand? They mourn over the charred remains of shopping centers and financial institutions, not the 88 (and still unaccounted for) individuals who died fighting for equal representation. In its blind use of the word “terrorism” and these extrajudicial killings, the Thai government has shown itself to be lacking in the moral fiber that is the essential prerequisite to any just, or even valid, democracy: equal value on all human life.
If CRES acknowledged the huge chasm that lingers between the privileged and the poor/ill-represented of Thailand, then they would be taking the first steps towards succeeding in their stated mission. Until then, the future will most certainly tell how successful the government’s current methods of resolve have been.
And if there is yet another rumbling within the legions of disenfranchised in Thailand, will the government then make an effort to understand? If they didn’t learn their lesson the first time, can we maintain hope in the belief that they might when the fifth time comes around?
I am not sure about this. Many of the radicals and activists from the initial TRT party list, and those from the first government left…..out of concerns that Thaksin was reneging on election promises, undermining the constitution and of course, his widespread corruption.
But I also share concerns about party politics in Thailand, and the prospect of Chalerm as PM and a cabinet comprising politicians with a history of abuse of democratic process and corruption. Indeed – many of the same politicians who have represented Isaan and the North over the last 10 or 20 years, and who must therefore be held responsible for the failures of economic and social development, and lack of democratic progress.
As I have said before – we should not only be looking at elections and party politics as ways of promoting democracy (although of course these are fundamental). Whatever government gets in – we will need strong independent institutions that can act as checks and balances, and ensure that the state is accountable. Unfortunately no government in Thailand has actually supported these kinds of institutions, and while Thaksin owed much to the 1997 Constitution in getting into power – he launched a strategic and concerted attack on all these institutions. Even a popularly elected government is no guarantee that democracy will flourish.
Agree with your comments. Red shirts just happen to be the name but a movement at this stage with any name will never be defeated unless CRES decides to murder half of the country’s population.
I salute you and your “pure as driven snow” military of Thailand. I also salute the military’ clean and above board financial geniuses who manage to accumulate vast wealth despite the meager salaries. There must be lessons there somewhere for Business Schools to learn.
I must also salute all the numerous coups – service to the Thai people – that the military had performed in the last 40 years of Thailand’s history. This really put Thailand on the straight and narrow path to enlighthenment. Om Mi To Fo
[Hope this translation is OK. I add a few words and dates to make it clearer.]
To whom it may concern (especially the human rights organizations),
This is urgent information regarding Dr. Suthachai Yomprasert, a historian who was arrested by the Thai authorities on May 24, 2010. Please help campaign for his release.
Professor Bayan, Dr. Suthachai’s wife, visited her husband at the Adisorn Army Camp in Saraburi earlier today. The army allows only his wife and mother to visit him, and in the morning only.
Dr. Suthachai is detained in a solitary unit. So is Mr Somyos Pruksakasemsuk who was arrested at the same time. Neither has been charged. In fact the arrests of them involved deception by the authorities. Both had got warrants to report to the police for some questioning. They complied. The police told them that they would bring them to the Crime Suppression Headquarter. Instead, they sent them to the Adisorn Army Camp in another province.
Legally, neither is Dr. Suthachai nor Mr. Somyos a law-breaker or a criminal since there is yet any charge. They are detained for interrogation. But they have been treated as if they were felons. Their treatments are more severe than the UDD leaders who are detained at the Naresuan Police Camp.
Dr. Suthachai brought some books to prepare for his class (at Chulalongkorn University) in a few weeks. But the soldiers took those books away and do not allow him to read anything. Dr. Suthachai, therefore, protests by going on a hunger strike. Our serious concern is that he has diabetes, requiring insulin injections twice a day. The lack of food may have serious effects on his condition, including a danger to his life.
This coming Sunday is the funeral for Bayan’s father. Dr. Suthachai’s lawyer will make an appeal to the court to allow him to attend the funeral of his father-in-law. But we do not know if the appeal would be granted, even though he is not yet charged or being a suspect or criminal of any kind whatsoever.
Totally agree with Sam about the campaigning. Only people like Del actually benefit from the tourism industry anyway. According to the likes of Del, the “buffaloes” only need “sufficiency economy”. So by all means, show the (ruling) Thais for what they really are – exploitative, inhumane and self centred.
The red shirt can lose ten times or twenty times but the legacy will drag on and on. But the other side cannot afford to lose even once. Even one lost, the elites will be gone forever from Thailand. The red shirt will continue fighting on ground or underground. The country is now divided into two sides, no matter how much false accusation were given in blaming the red, nobody care any more. The red shirt will always stand firm, getting stronger and stronger even without any core leaders.
They will learn from each lesson they lost and each lost will make them stronger. In the history of the world, democracy will always prevail. The power of the people is a voice from heaven. They are loud and clear. No any other sound is louder than the voice of freedom.
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Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
“The huge massage parlour and entertainment centre on Ratchadaphisek, Din Daeng, is owned by Bhumjaithai Party secretary-general Pornthiva’s father, Surinat Saksiriwetakul.
“I’m not running the Poseidon business, even though it is a family business,” Mrs Pornthiva said.” (minister of commerce)
This is Asia and its a family business – if its on Neptune, I will by that statement. The of course she would not be “hands on” with the running, so on face value the statement is true.
Thailand’s terrorists
Its amazing how many people like DEL are so eager to believe every statement released by the CRES, even though they have proved themselves to be utterly untrustworthy.
@DEL:
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Denyzofisarn #45 : quite true – gross human rights abuses are nothing new there. Absolutely tragic that they have n’t been able to progress to a more civilised, more peaceful way of settling differences.
John Francis Lee # 46, John Worth #47, and superanonymous #49 :
adding to suspicions about what was really happening is the fact that sniper fire kept away the firebrigades.
Del # 48 – I agree these two farang went too far, actively taking part in what is ultimately the internal affairs of a sovereign nation of which they are not citizens, and possibly breaking Thai law. But that does n’t justify slandering NM, which is merely hosting a wide-range of opinions, analysis, and commentary from a separate country, Australia, which is increasingly concerned – alarmed even – about what is happening in an important regional neighbour.
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Neptunian @ 202: I think he also has a massage parlour called ‘Neptune.’ 😉
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Chris B # 204.
yes, Khun Chuwit is the owner of the ‘massage parlour kingdom’ in and along Ratchada Road – including the enormous & surreal ‘Poseidon’ sex-complex where in early April this year, a car bomb went off……
He was the Chart-Thai party’s deputy leader in 2006 – he ran for Bangkok governor in 2004. His campaign billboards hilariously pictured him with a sledgehammer (or German shepherd guard dog, at heel). A ‘colourful’ character.
Stevenson on King Bhumibol
Chris Baker, don’t ruin whatever reputation you might have as a historian by implying that R8’s rise to the throne was without debate.
The 1924 Palace Law gave the Saovabha/Chakrabongse -line priority over the Savang Vadhana/Mahidol-line. Saovabha’s son, Prince Chakrabongse Bhuvanath, produced a legitimate son, Chula Chakrabongse, that had a certain degree of eligibility to the throne. It’s true that Section 11 of the 1924 Palace Law forbids offspring of foreigners from rising to the throne and Prince Chakrabongse Bhuvanath married a Russian – however, the Law was enacted after the marriage.
If it wasn’t for Pridi Bhanomyong’s legal opinion that the retroactive law still applied to Chula Chakrabongse, despite its ex post facto-nature, we would have had a different R8.
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Just to get this back on the topic of suggestions for Abhisit, I have a suggestion for a new military code of honor.
Army leaders customarily say that they would only hold a coup when corruption, anti-democratic forces, etc. etc. are so prevalent that they have no choice. It’s never something they want to do, it’s something that they are forced to do for the good of the nation. It is in fact a heroic gesture as General Saprang reminded us.
Well, I can accept that logic. What I can’t accept is that they always give themselves an amnesty from prosecution. Heroism requires scarifice.
Wouldn’t it be much more heroic if they renounced amnesties and agreed to face trial?
Or having handed over power to their selected nominee, immediately go into a penniless exile.
Stevenson on King Bhumibol
Anonymous @ 15: I was ridiculing Stephenson’s statement that the “general has had to go through enormous subterfuge to stay in touch with me because all communications with the outside world are monitored.”
Enormous subterfuge? All communications with the outside world are monitored?
Avoid using his own telephone, obviously — as you point out, calls are easily monitored. But he could have used any telephone not registered to him and avoided identifying himself in the conversation. He could have sent faxes. He could have sent anonymous emails. He probably could have sent anonymous letters through the mail. “Enormous subterfuge” is hardly necessary.
Stevenson on King Bhumibol
Christopher Larsson # 18 – yes indeed it is an eye-opener, all part of the almost eye-popping machinations and manuoeverings of Thai politics.
It’s an extraordinary intellectual feat to be able to work out what is really going on, behind the scenes, which is why I’d like to respectfully ask Chris Baker what his thoughts are re. what Stevenson says re. military factionalism, if Chris feels like commenting.
Nick Nostitz in the killing zone
Neptunian Cosmos 202: Please don’t accuse me of supporting the military.
The shooting of 6 innocent civilians (red shirt supporters) in Wat Pathumwanaram during the crack down last week for me chillingly echoes the Krue Se mosque incident in April 2004. Please remember Thaksin’s use of excessive military force in the deep south fueled and fallowed the ground for the much wider insurgency that now plaques provinces like Yala and Pattani today.
4 January 2004:
Well-trained groups raided an army arsenal, torched 20 schools and three police posts, and set off several bombs. Thaksin declared martial law the following day. He sent combat troops to conduct raids on mosques and schools and the police made dozens of arrests, often on weak evidence. According to local religious leaders, more than 100 residents were abducted and killed in the four months after 4 January. It is difficult to verify these claims but there is certainly a widespread perception among southern Muslims that they are true.
28 April 2004:
Pattani’s historic Krue Se mosque – When militants holed up inside refused to surrender, Special Forces troops stormed the mosque and gunned down all 32. By midday, 108 militants, many of them lightly armed teenagers, were dead, along with 5 members of the security forces. Although a government appointed commission ruled that the army did use excessive force, not a single officer was brought to account.
October 25th, 2004: Tak Bai.
88 Muslim men and boys died at the hands of the security forces. Seven died when soldiers fired on the crowd, another three were found drowned in a nearby river, but perhaps most shockingly, 78 died of asphyxiation in army custody. After ordering the protestors to lie face down for over an hour, tying their hands behind their backs, and in many cases kicking them and hitting them with rifle butts, soldiers stacked some 1,300 men and boys four and five deep in trucks which were then covered with tarpaulins for a five-hour drive to an army barracks in sweltering hot Pattani.
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Mungo Gubbins (#59): Well, the game was not over and its conclusion was in doubt (consider for example the court decision on Supinya’s case), but the army decided to turn off the stadium lights and kick out everybody. Why? Because they had the guns. (#52) Why would “A coup … have been impossible if a significant percentage of the population were not of the opinion that their democratic rights had already been abused?” And what qualifies as a “significant percentage?” Whose bidding was the army actually doing?
Enemies, foreign and domestic
Ozorro: Can you please give your definition of terrorism? If mob violence in other countries results in arson (e.g. urban riots in the US), would you call it terrorism? What about cases in Thailand where mob violence does not result in arson (e.g. the PAD invasion of NBT in 2008)? You can vilify New Mandala readers all you like, but that doesn’t amount to a cogent argument.
Som: You say that red shirt shirt mobs would have burned down the city but the government stopped them. That is arguable, but I’m struck by what little the army seemed to have done to stop Central World from being burned down. It’s not clear at all to me why once they started their offensive – and had already caused and taken casualties – they stopped short of securing the Rajprasong area.
Stevenson on King Bhumibol
@chris beale
Maybe it’s old news, but to me it’s still an eye-opener that the man (General Pallop Pinmanee) who was next in line to become the leader of PAD, is now being accused by the government of being behind the black-clad men at the red-shirt protest and the burning down of buildings in Bangkok.
Thailand’s terrorists
So true, A. And the recent outbreak of arson and crime in Thailand (following the Red Shirt leaders’ decision to surrender to the authorities who had accused them of “terrorism”) only lends further credibility to your argument. That was when the disenfranchisement finally boiled over. They burned the establishments that they knew were taking advantage of the poor and supporting an elitist government.
And what is the response from the privileged of Thailand? They mourn over the charred remains of shopping centers and financial institutions, not the 88 (and still unaccounted for) individuals who died fighting for equal representation. In its blind use of the word “terrorism” and these extrajudicial killings, the Thai government has shown itself to be lacking in the moral fiber that is the essential prerequisite to any just, or even valid, democracy: equal value on all human life.
If CRES acknowledged the huge chasm that lingers between the privileged and the poor/ill-represented of Thailand, then they would be taking the first steps towards succeeding in their stated mission. Until then, the future will most certainly tell how successful the government’s current methods of resolve have been.
And if there is yet another rumbling within the legions of disenfranchised in Thailand, will the government then make an effort to understand? If they didn’t learn their lesson the first time, can we maintain hope in the belief that they might when the fifth time comes around?
The challenge for Mr Abhisit…
TRT dream team?
I am not sure about this. Many of the radicals and activists from the initial TRT party list, and those from the first government left…..out of concerns that Thaksin was reneging on election promises, undermining the constitution and of course, his widespread corruption.
But I also share concerns about party politics in Thailand, and the prospect of Chalerm as PM and a cabinet comprising politicians with a history of abuse of democratic process and corruption. Indeed – many of the same politicians who have represented Isaan and the North over the last 10 or 20 years, and who must therefore be held responsible for the failures of economic and social development, and lack of democratic progress.
As I have said before – we should not only be looking at elections and party politics as ways of promoting democracy (although of course these are fundamental). Whatever government gets in – we will need strong independent institutions that can act as checks and balances, and ensure that the state is accountable. Unfortunately no government in Thailand has actually supported these kinds of institutions, and while Thaksin owed much to the 1997 Constitution in getting into power – he launched a strategic and concerted attack on all these institutions. Even a popularly elected government is no guarantee that democracy will flourish.
Thailand’s terrorists
Peter Boyles, # 3
Agree with your comments. Red shirts just happen to be the name but a movement at this stage with any name will never be defeated unless CRES decides to murder half of the country’s population.
Send your suggestions to Abhisit
Hai Mungo gubbins,
I salute you and your “pure as driven snow” military of Thailand. I also salute the military’ clean and above board financial geniuses who manage to accumulate vast wealth despite the meager salaries. There must be lessons there somewhere for Business Schools to learn.
I must also salute all the numerous coups – service to the Thai people – that the military had performed in the last 40 years of Thailand’s history. This really put Thailand on the straight and narrow path to enlighthenment. Om Mi To Fo
Sutachai on hunger strike
[Hope this translation is OK. I add a few words and dates to make it clearer.]
To whom it may concern (especially the human rights organizations),
This is urgent information regarding Dr. Suthachai Yomprasert, a historian who was arrested by the Thai authorities on May 24, 2010. Please help campaign for his release.
Professor Bayan, Dr. Suthachai’s wife, visited her husband at the Adisorn Army Camp in Saraburi earlier today. The army allows only his wife and mother to visit him, and in the morning only.
Dr. Suthachai is detained in a solitary unit. So is Mr Somyos Pruksakasemsuk who was arrested at the same time. Neither has been charged. In fact the arrests of them involved deception by the authorities. Both had got warrants to report to the police for some questioning. They complied. The police told them that they would bring them to the Crime Suppression Headquarter. Instead, they sent them to the Adisorn Army Camp in another province.
Legally, neither is Dr. Suthachai nor Mr. Somyos a law-breaker or a criminal since there is yet any charge. They are detained for interrogation. But they have been treated as if they were felons. Their treatments are more severe than the UDD leaders who are detained at the Naresuan Police Camp.
Dr. Suthachai brought some books to prepare for his class (at Chulalongkorn University) in a few weeks. But the soldiers took those books away and do not allow him to read anything. Dr. Suthachai, therefore, protests by going on a hunger strike. Our serious concern is that he has diabetes, requiring insulin injections twice a day. The lack of food may have serious effects on his condition, including a danger to his life.
This coming Sunday is the funeral for Bayan’s father. Dr. Suthachai’s lawyer will make an appeal to the court to allow him to attend the funeral of his father-in-law. But we do not know if the appeal would be granted, even though he is not yet charged or being a suspect or criminal of any kind whatsoever.
Thailand’s terrorists
Totally agree with Sam about the campaigning. Only people like Del actually benefit from the tourism industry anyway. According to the likes of Del, the “buffaloes” only need “sufficiency economy”. So by all means, show the (ruling) Thais for what they really are – exploitative, inhumane and self centred.
Thailand’s terrorists
The red shirt can lose ten times or twenty times but the legacy will drag on and on. But the other side cannot afford to lose even once. Even one lost, the elites will be gone forever from Thailand. The red shirt will continue fighting on ground or underground. The country is now divided into two sides, no matter how much false accusation were given in blaming the red, nobody care any more. The red shirt will always stand firm, getting stronger and stronger even without any core leaders.
They will learn from each lesson they lost and each lost will make them stronger. In the history of the world, democracy will always prevail. The power of the people is a voice from heaven. They are loud and clear. No any other sound is louder than the voice of freedom.