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  1. JohnH says:

    Yes, I can tell you that the PBS TV channel commented on this as the army finished their operation to take control of the protest area.

    I got the idea that this was simple expediency – a large enough space to detain and process people taken from Rajaprasong etc.

  2. Supapong says:

    And

    To kevina #130

    “For what you have mentioned above, concerning violence among protestors, this must be dealt on a case-by-case basis. Not every Red-Shirt did that. In fact, we don’t even know whether it was really the Red-Shirts who did that. That means you cannot simply shoot at any protestors just because they are protestors.”

    For the case-by-case basis, it’s really correct, and so VICE-VERSA. That’s why I never blame all the red-shirts and also all the soldiers. And the soldier never shoot at ANY protestors like you ALWAYS said in this post just like you are around the area yourselves. The soldier use case-by-case reaction too, otherwise the situation will not grow like this.

    Or you really think if the soldiers do like what you said, compare their number, their weapons, how possible our city would become like the present?

    But for which side the violent people or the black-shirt are, you do not know but we know. And we are here in Thailand long enough to know which target they want beyond democracy. If you have ever seen some photos from inside the red-shirts’ area, they even have caps of Communists and use the word ‘Comrade’ to talk together. For innocent red-shirts, democracy is a nice word almost of them understand a little. For the leaders, democracy is a nice word to lure them. What they want is beyond the democracy.

  3. SmithJones says:

    City of Kalasin now added to the list.

    Abhisit and his cronies and the puppets who run them might finally realize how much the Thai people hate them.

    They can hide away in Bangkok all they like, but the majority of people in Thailand hate them, and the world can now see how much they hate them.

    Knowing these corrupt cronies like Abhisit and Suthep, they will continue in power, happy in the knowledge their Yellow masters will support them.

    Shame on the PC/PAD/Democrats/Bhumhaitai and all the other Yellow cronies.

  4. Updater says:

    FCCT has recently tweeted the following message:
    “There are numerous reports that foreign and Thai journalists are being targetted by some elements in the red shirts.”

    http://twitter.com/FCCThai

    Tweets of journalists have advised their colleagues to remove their green armbands.

    Sympathies to the Italian and other journalists who got shot today and on previous days.

  5. Erewhon says:

    I have just walked down Silom Road. There are still six APCs parked there. Each has a twin machine gun turret on top. These were not used this morning, at around 09.00 when the authorities restored order at Lumpini. Water cannon were used to drive the mob back. Then the APCs drove a path through the barriers. The mob fled back down Rajdamri. Tear gas was fired and so were shotguns and rifles. But the casualty figures show that soldiers were ordered to use minimum force.

    Bulldozers and BMA trucks are making a priority of clearing the rubber tyre and bamboo stave barricades. It will all be gone soon.

    Walking up Rajdamri, it resembles the site of a pop festival that has suddenly and unexpectedly ended. There is abandoned bedding, mats and tents. Even motorcycles, fans, TV sets and electric generators – these are already being salvaged by BMW workers. Boxes of food, bowls of boiled eggs, opened packets of instant noodles, many sacks of fresh vegetables, bottles and tanks of fresh water, power generators. They planned to stay a long time. How did the supplies keep coming in?

    More sinisterly a box of petrol bombs with fuses in, all ready for use. Piles of rocks ready for use as missiles. And before the mob left, they smashed light fittings, bus shelters and torched a mobile toilet bus. And how did that get there?

    I was able to walk up as far as Rajdamri – Soi Sarasin junction, when soldiers waved me back and I heard one shot fired a distance ahead.

    Lumpini is quiet now. There are still plumes of smoke rising from the Lumpini Expressway area. I am told that Central World is on fire and there are fires in other parts of the city.

    So much for a democracy movement. It is a merely a trail of wanton destruction left by a mob. And financed by a man whose sole desire is to return as the dictator of Thailand, an egotistic, wicked and immoral man, worse than Marcos, Suharto or Sukarno. And if the Red mob is truly independent, how come they utter not a word of criticism of the man who would finance the destruction of his own country so he can return to be President of a pile of smoking ashes?

  6. Ricky Ward says:

    The Governors House by the Ping River in Chiang Mai has been set ablaze.
    Ironic as the present Governor oversaw the worst air pollution from rural burning for the month of April 2010 since records have been kept.

    While the government uses guns in deadly attacks against folk in Bangkok, in the north they kill with smoke.

  7. SmithJones says:

    Provincial halls burned down include Ubon Ratchananee, Nonthaburi, Udorn Thani, Khon Kaen, Mukdaharn and Nakhon Ratchasima. Violence also in Chiang Mai.

    The dumb ass government moved most of the army and police to Bangkok and left “skeleton” screws in the major cities.

    Now those cities are seeing an uprising of the people against the government.

    It is said they say they are very angry with the government for cracking down on the reds in Bangkok, and they are angry that they still have no democracy or elections and they will let the world know what they think of the government by burning down banks, shopping malls, provincial halls.

    The ongoing action is to show the world the people hate the government, a government that is forced upon them by coups and perverted judiciary.

  8. Jit says:

    Nigel 81

    It’s about time we moved beyond the rhetoric of any of the political sides and had a more critical debate.

    I do find it hard to take this notion of a ‘class war’ when it comes from the likes of Jatuporn, Nattawut, Chavalit, Chalerm and of course Thaksin. Obviously it has some resonance but a forum like this should be more critical.

    I would be very interested in a more thorough, critical and nuanced analysis of class in Thailand. Simply talking about the poor and the elite just doesn’t make sense. Class is far more complex here – and all the more so with the rapid change of recent decades. Even among the farmers of Isaan there is important class differentiation. And we all know that power and influence are key factors in wealth, from village to the top.

    Class war? As I remember Thaksin era it was more about conspicuous consumption…..

  9. patiwat says:

    Central Changwatana closed. So much for working off any stress at the gym…

  10. Leah Hoyt says:

    Nigel,

    Rather than inviting wrath, you are stating the obvious and fighting strawmen. Nobody thinks this is as simple as a pure class struggle with no over lap. Nobody thinks the venn diagram of the two sides has no common space. No one is cheering the post-protest looters who are burning buildings.

    There is no reason to think elections will be held in a few months, but if you think you got any, let me know.

  11. Simon says:

    The mobs outside of Ratchaprasong went beserk when they found out about the surrender. Din Daeng mob declared their ‘independence’ whatever that means.

    Siam theatre, channel 3, stock exchange, central world and some building in Klong Toey I don’t know the name of set on fire. Stock exchange seems to have survived, the theatre and KT build are burnt out. Central world looks like its had it, I’m afraid.

    I continue to be amazed at some things people post. Just to refute a few of my favourites:

    @Jay and Jim: The chances of a coup are zero. The army is backing the government, that’s the only reason this crackdown was possible. The army has shown a consistent distaste for coups since the last one, they aren’t interested. Nobody wants to destabilise things further right now.

    @TW: Thai people are violent at heart? Jeez that’s harsh. Have you ever been to Thailand? They’re way less violent than your average Aussie, they just have worse governance.

    @SmithJones & Neptunian: Your comments are paranoid and delusional. Genocide?? I think your abuse of this term is offensive, why don’t you look it up?

  12. Supapong says:

    Mikeize #142

    You and many of Thais are set by some financial trick. You can read about the fact about the IMF loans from many many of Financial Experts in Thailand who have even been his supporters.

    What I gave him real credits are many projects he is the igniter of, such as, the project to encourage poor farmers to do annual budgeting and daily accounting to finally find that they spend too much money for alcohol and too less for their children, or public health service for very low cost. Although almost of the projects must be beneficial to him, they are really useful for the people also.

    To Nick, from your information and photos, I have to say I did not see your bias so much and I do not think you are standing on which side anyway. Hope you are safe here in Thailand.

  13. Leah Hoyt says:

    Bubba,

    It is basically untrue that the current government is depending in any way on repressive laws passed by Thakisn related to speech and media.

    Thaksin, himself, did seriously repress publication of information that was critical of him.

    However, the military government after the 2006 passed all the laws they needed to repress people.

    So, it would be accurate to say that Thaksin also attempted to control the media. It would be inaccurate to suggest that he passed the laws the current government is employing. In fact, the army owned most Thai TV stations before, during and after Thaksin’s time.

  14. StanG says:

    Jit, reds first appeared when they hijacked anti-coup rallies for the Thaksin cause and merged them.

    Thaksin made his first call-in to their first rally that saw the usual 200-300 crowd swell to 20,000.

  15. Macca says:

    To JohnH
    Ah Thai media…yes it really is a joke, as is the govt’s. censorship of internet websites etc…. but as I said in a different post on this site..there is enough blame to go around. Whilst I sympathise with the political agenda of the red shirts, Thaksin was one of the worst manipulators of the media and his bully boy tacticts of law suits and the like really was quite sickening to watch. But, my question is… ‘Is there something in Thai culture / thinking / mindset, which actually prefers a non challenging media?’ I give as an example any Thai soapy which continually presents the worst stereotyping of Thai society. If there is no public voice asking for a better standard within the media, are they not then just giving the public what they want?

  16. Nigel says:

    I realise that emotions are running high and this comment will be highly unpopular, but I don’t entirely buy Jim Taylor’s class war narrative as a valid explanation for the events unfolding in Thailand.

    For one thing, as others have pointed out elsewhere, some of those who joined the communist party of Thailand in the 70s are on the Red side and others are very much against them, and particularly against their billionaire backer Thaksin. There are also, or so I have read, pockets of PAD support in parts of Isan. The point is that political allegiances are more complex than you would conclude if you read some of the posts here.

    Before I get shouted down, I am NOT a fascist sympathiser who favours the shooting of innocent protesters. I am simply suggesting that characterising the political conflict in Thailand purely in terms of a familiar class struggle trope is overly simplistic. It generates a lot of emotive rhetoric but little understanding. Thailand under Abhisit is not Spain under Franco, and there is every reason to believe that elections will be held in the coming months. Rather than cheering the mob as they burn buildings, it would make more sense to begin considering how Thailand might move forward politically and socially.

  17. Elizabeth Fitzgerald says:

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    Does anybody have information on if people were taken to the stadium, and if so, if they have been released?

  18. JohnH says:

    Jim Taylor – Source and any background would be very useful. Is this the 2nd generation I have speak of?

  19. Mungo Gubbins says:

    Now the 10,000 or so ‘peaceful’ protestors are busy bombing and burning the nation’s capitol into rubble I guess that income disparity in Thailand will finally come to an end, and the peoples revolution can’t be too far away. We can all be poor together in President Thaksin’s glorious socialist republic where the Phrai control the means of whatever meagre production is left, and everyone will get free ice cream on Saturdays.

    When my already struggling small company folds in the months ahead due to the death of the tourist industry, the 20 skilled staff I employ (mostly from Isan, in well paid jobs with full employment rights and social insurance) will all get the oppurtunity to go work again in the fields with the sun on their backs and their faces in the soil as happy comrades in the new utopia. Thank you for your contribution to the great cause New Mandala leftists, you’ve done the downtrodden masses proud!

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