It seems like both sides have never really had any interest in negotiating anything. The government put forth it’s offer which was basically “take it or leave it”. The red shirts decided they were in a position to start making more demands. And they have now found out that they were not.
After the high-ranking officer was killed in the April 10 mess surely the red shirts had to know that revenge/reprisal would strike at some point.
Clearly there was no way the government could simply give in to the wishes of the protest mob and immediate dissolve the government. They have expressed an awful lot of patience up until now (likely because the army refused to act as much as anything else) and given the red shirts lots of chances to end their protest. They chose not to. Could this really continue much longer? The innocent people living in Bangkok deserve to be able to live their lives as well. Not to mention the destruction of the country’s tourism industry.
It’s morning in Bkk and Rajprasong stage is still firmly in the reds’ hands while govt-controlled TV stations can only review what happened to Sae Daeng last night and possible rift among UDD leadership.
Twelve hours have passed and military operations have not managed to dislodge or dispersed red crowd at Rajprasong. Not sure if CRES/Mark is happy about this inconclusive result, seen as second failure after the first to do the same at Rajdamnern/Phanfa about a month ago. The guys at the 11th Infantry Regiment may try to capture the stage again during daytime today but I believe another attack from the Silom/Rajdamri side is the most difficult simply because it’s the longest road compared with the other shorter ones from Siam Paragon (west), Pratunam (north), or Ploenchit (east).
One short cut for them is to stage a coup but this means that the int’l community will have something to say strongly.
When I click on a green “thumbs up” I get a green check. That’s cool.
But after I click on a red “thumbs down” a green check mark also appears. This bugs me. I expect to see a big red X appear beside comments that I have decided suck (not a check mark, and not a green one at that).
”Pity these same folk can’t pass on their expertise or direct help to apprehend the woefully large number of ne’er-do-wells in authority, positions of power and influence who screw the country and people of Thailand on a daily basis.
…
Quality comment or not? 2 4”
I guess from my (current) approval rating, the majority of the commentators on here think it is ok for those people alluded to in my post to use Thailand as their private meglomanic, business playground. (Completely random and subjective extrapolation of stats. accepted)
Mr. Abhisit has shown his hand now that he has reneged on his offer for an election in November. Whether the Queens Guards move on the Red Shirts now does not really factor in. Mr. Abhisit really never had any say as to when Gen. Anupong and the Queens Guard units would move. He was the message boy.
For those that do not understand my emphasis on the Queens Guards, please look to General Anupong’s military history along with that of General Prem and the other leaders of of the 2006 coup. Mr. Abhisit was not making a stand, he was just the public face of the same old gang that wishes to control Thailand.
even the NY Times got it wrong in description of Saedaen: the guy is a very popular leader among the masses; absolutely truthful, well informed, smart and concerned with exposing the cunning, lies and mischief post-2007; his political party is (was) gaining stronger around the country by the day, so the Abhisit regime wanted him out of the way: it was likely that many Phue-thai supporters may have been drawn into his new party. So taking saedaeng out was an Abhisit imperative. Remember the govt never said that it would dissolve even though there was an election announced. Because saedaeng had information from inside the army he was able to inform Nor Por Chor well in advance. The conflict is also cross-cut by DP and PAD conflicting grab for power stakes. Neither would have had a chance if an election was called. The problem was never Saedaeng as he was painted daily in the fascist media as a trouble maker. He tried to warn his daughter (pro-yellow) about the conflicts, when and where they would take place, and I suspect he knew his time was near…
Accd to sms services, Sae Daeng has been moved to Vajira hospital with many red shirts following due to fears that CRES soldiers will follow him to the new hospital. Clashes near Lumbini park’s gate on Rajdamri Rd has killed one red shirt and injured many.
Unlike 10 April, CRES does not set itself a deadline when it hopes to disperse the protesters from Rajprasong stage. It’s after midnight now and another 5-6 hours will be dawn when CRES/Abhisit can declare victory or find excuses why they cannot do the job. meanwhile, my taxi driver friend said reds reinforcements are coming from Khon Kaen.
BBC has had a fairly good coverage, with reports every few minutes. About 15 minutes ago this changed – I still get the images, but the sound seems to be jammed – very loud blast of white sound. ABC is OK, but they have a football match. TAN is showing how to cook fried rice!
At 22:10 hrs 13 May, local time, Sae Dang is still in ICU at Hua Chiew Hospital (about 2-3 km. from Ratprasong Intersection. His daughter, who is one of the PAD member, is at the hospital.
The power is shut down but on Red Shirt stage but the protesters are still listening to Nuttawut, the leader. Nuttawut asked protesters to donate AB blood group to Sae Dang.
hi time! There is a limit for Thai patience. Dr Weng, the cheeky communist nut, said he would fight the soldiers bare-handed will likely be in Cambodia with Khun Thugsin. I really pity the old folks and children from our villages of Isarn. These naive and simple country folks lured there by money.
And while we are at it, why not add a rating system to the actual contributions themselves as a kind of wholly subjective and completely randomised quality assurance system?
Voice TV station just reported that Hua Chiew hospital doctors are conducting surgery on Sae Daeng, adding that he was shot while giving interview to a foreign journalist.
This website is now gone, blocked by ICT ministry for sure.
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Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
It seems like both sides have never really had any interest in negotiating anything. The government put forth it’s offer which was basically “take it or leave it”. The red shirts decided they were in a position to start making more demands. And they have now found out that they were not.
After the high-ranking officer was killed in the April 10 mess surely the red shirts had to know that revenge/reprisal would strike at some point.
Clearly there was no way the government could simply give in to the wishes of the protest mob and immediate dissolve the government. They have expressed an awful lot of patience up until now (likely because the army refused to act as much as anything else) and given the red shirts lots of chances to end their protest. They chose not to. Could this really continue much longer? The innocent people living in Bangkok deserve to be able to live their lives as well. Not to mention the destruction of the country’s tourism industry.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
It’s morning in Bkk and Rajprasong stage is still firmly in the reds’ hands while govt-controlled TV stations can only review what happened to Sae Daeng last night and possible rift among UDD leadership.
Twelve hours have passed and military operations have not managed to dislodge or dispersed red crowd at Rajprasong. Not sure if CRES/Mark is happy about this inconclusive result, seen as second failure after the first to do the same at Rajdamnern/Phanfa about a month ago. The guys at the 11th Infantry Regiment may try to capture the stage again during daytime today but I believe another attack from the Silom/Rajdamri side is the most difficult simply because it’s the longest road compared with the other shorter ones from Siam Paragon (west), Pratunam (north), or Ploenchit (east).
One short cut for them is to stage a coup but this means that the int’l community will have something to say strongly.
Rating comments
When I click on a green “thumbs up” I get a green check. That’s cool.
But after I click on a red “thumbs down” a green check mark also appears. This bugs me. I expect to see a big red X appear beside comments that I have decided suck (not a check mark, and not a green one at that).
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
My previous post –
”Pity these same folk can’t pass on their expertise or direct help to apprehend the woefully large number of ne’er-do-wells in authority, positions of power and influence who screw the country and people of Thailand on a daily basis.
…
Quality comment or not? 2 4”
I guess from my (current) approval rating, the majority of the commentators on here think it is ok for those people alluded to in my post to use Thailand as their private meglomanic, business playground. (Completely random and subjective extrapolation of stats. accepted)
Shame on you all.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Mr. Abhisit has shown his hand now that he has reneged on his offer for an election in November. Whether the Queens Guards move on the Red Shirts now does not really factor in. Mr. Abhisit really never had any say as to when Gen. Anupong and the Queens Guard units would move. He was the message boy.
For those that do not understand my emphasis on the Queens Guards, please look to General Anupong’s military history along with that of General Prem and the other leaders of of the 2006 coup. Mr. Abhisit was not making a stand, he was just the public face of the same old gang that wishes to control Thailand.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
even the NY Times got it wrong in description of Saedaen: the guy is a very popular leader among the masses; absolutely truthful, well informed, smart and concerned with exposing the cunning, lies and mischief post-2007; his political party is (was) gaining stronger around the country by the day, so the Abhisit regime wanted him out of the way: it was likely that many Phue-thai supporters may have been drawn into his new party. So taking saedaeng out was an Abhisit imperative. Remember the govt never said that it would dissolve even though there was an election announced. Because saedaeng had information from inside the army he was able to inform Nor Por Chor well in advance. The conflict is also cross-cut by DP and PAD conflicting grab for power stakes. Neither would have had a chance if an election was called. The problem was never Saedaeng as he was painted daily in the fascist media as a trouble maker. He tried to warn his daughter (pro-yellow) about the conflicts, when and where they would take place, and I suspect he knew his time was near…
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Violence? Red Shirt Victory?
Seems to be great excitement at New Mandala!
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Looks like they are shooting at each other near <dusit thanee hotel.
M79 and such 🙁
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Agree with Srithanonchai. I guess that will only foster overall conformity and bashing on folks that don’t share the ‘mainstream’ opinion here.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Accd to sms services, Sae Daeng has been moved to Vajira hospital with many red shirts following due to fears that CRES soldiers will follow him to the new hospital. Clashes near Lumbini park’s gate on Rajdamri Rd has killed one red shirt and injured many.
Unlike 10 April, CRES does not set itself a deadline when it hopes to disperse the protesters from Rajprasong stage. It’s after midnight now and another 5-6 hours will be dawn when CRES/Abhisit can declare victory or find excuses why they cannot do the job. meanwhile, my taxi driver friend said reds reinforcements are coming from Khon Kaen.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Firsthand account of Seh Daeng shooting: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world/asia/14thai.html?hp
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
BBC has had a fairly good coverage, with reports every few minutes. About 15 minutes ago this changed – I still get the images, but the sound seems to be jammed – very loud blast of white sound. ABC is OK, but they have a football match. TAN is showing how to cook fried rice!
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
At 22:10 hrs 13 May, local time, Sae Dang is still in ICU at Hua Chiew Hospital (about 2-3 km. from Ratprasong Intersection. His daughter, who is one of the PAD member, is at the hospital.
The power is shut down but on Red Shirt stage but the protesters are still listening to Nuttawut, the leader. Nuttawut asked protesters to donate AB blood group to Sae Dang.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
TAN Twitter feed has frequent reliable updates:
http://twitter.com/TAN_Network
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
hi time! There is a limit for Thai patience. Dr Weng, the cheeky communist nut, said he would fight the soldiers bare-handed will likely be in Cambodia with Khun Thugsin. I really pity the old folks and children from our villages of Isarn. These naive and simple country folks lured there by money.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
It looks as if he was shot in the right temple. Not much chance to survive, even if it was a long range shot.
Rating comments
We are trialling a comment rating system.
Why?
And while we are at it, why not add a rating system to the actual contributions themselves as a kind of wholly subjective and completely randomised quality assurance system?
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Check this website: http://www.voicetv.co.th/
Voice TV station just reported that Hua Chiew hospital doctors are conducting surgery on Sae Daeng, adding that he was shot while giving interview to a foreign journalist.
This website is now gone, blocked by ICT ministry for sure.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Seems there are 20+ injured, plus one death….guess who?
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
From a reliable source: 2-3 protestors dead, and troops blocking travel to Ratchaprasong area.