article on thai e-news condemns the silence of the Office of the National Human Rights Commission of Thailand [р╕Др╕Ур╕░р╕Бр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕┤р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕йр╕вр╕Кр╕Щр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤] who continue to support the infringement of human rights, the massacre of its citizens by the criminal Abhisit and his side-kick; they claim the Reds are “terrorists”! but not a word on the Yellow shirt past few years and the commission even criticsed the elected govt of trying to dissolve yellow mobs at places like parliament and – yes- least we forget – the international airport! (even the direct, charismatic and harsh speaking Saedaeng, a guy soft at heart and passionate for doing the right things never carried any weapons when he was advising Nor Por Chor on defence strategies and military intelligence; he was unarmed of course when he was shot giving an interview. Note that Abhisit always goes for the head. I suggest readers to flood the Human Rights office with emails condemning their biases and inaction over the loss of its citizens: Tel : (66) (0)2141-3800, (0)2141-3900 (0)2141-3900 ,
Hotline : 1377 E-mail : [email protected]
12:05 in the afternoon, local time in front of the Marriott, Sathorn: 3 squads of army march up Sathorn toward Rama 4. All carry rifles, doubtless with rubber bullets.
Perhaps it should come as no surprise that the “State” has authorized the use of trained snipers to “surgically” assasinate selected UDD leaders: it is much less messy than storming the barricades. The assumption may well be that UDD supporters without their existing leaders will be unable to maintain their momentum against the “groups” and “classes” in Thai society it opposes and will simply return to their homes to live for another day in the knowledge that the Thai State is able to be more effectively used by the current “ruling elites” in Thailand than by Thais of other “social classes”.
However, what this assumption may well misunderstand is the nature of opposition to the existing Thai State and that this opposition while contingent to some extent on effective leadership will not dissipate simply because (and tragically from a human perspective) Seh Daeng was assasinated. Ironically for someone who in the past was “anti-Communist” Seh Deang might acquire the same status as Jit Phoumisak who was of course killed for his political tendencies.
In an interview with PBS Newshour, Thomas Fuller, the NYT reporter who witnessed Seh Daeng being shot, had the following to say about who the perpetrator might be:
“I couldn’t even guess,” Fuller said. “This is a society that has become deeply fractured: the institutions are divided, the military appears divided, the police is often very sympathetic with the protesters. The population itself is geographically divided. I can think of a lot of motives. I can think of a lot of different groups but Thailand has entered this very shadowy phase in its political turmoil and we just don’t know who is doing what.”
Thank you for the precious comments. I appreciate your comments and hope to read more from you. Sae Daeng is now a red-hero, he is now a hero who sacrificed his life for the sake of a free country. He is now free, his soul is now in heaven.
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In all the chaos over the shooting of Seh Daeng, don’t forget an anonymous supporter was shot dead. What were the supporters doing to be shot? One person being shot at a protest is as good as a thousand people because it is the action of the state to use violence to suppress political dissent. It’s the same action for a thousand. It’s only that the shootings have been sporadic that it doesn’t ‘seem’ like it’s so heavy handed.
How rigorously will the blockade be maintained re supplies? Are there military units in the sewer systems underneath Silom?
It has started – Army snipers used as assasins to kill off Red shirts leaders. I guess Ahbisit or his masters think that shooting a few leaders would be enough to breakup the Red shirts.
If their gamble fails, then all hell will break loose in Thailand. – BTW, I thought govt sponsored assasination is a No No. Where are the outrage from foreign govts?
Red protestors, incuding masses of taxi drivers are mobilising; nearby provinces of Pathumthani the Reds are joining the ranks and are now fighting back! Jane’s Anthony Davis said that the selected sniping of Red supporters was a smart tactic by Abhisit to create chaos and sense of fear to state and nonstate groups to disperse the Nor Por Chor protestors otherwise severe consequence will result…well the CIA did a good job of training these guys.
Also, the rats at DSI intend to arrest Saedaeng, even as he lays dying (he was shot twice); Saedaeng’s daughter told the doctors to turn off the life support system if he deteriorates further (he has severe brain injury, high velocity weapon used caused bullet to pass right through).
Thairat online noted the govt tried to poison red guards and other protestors through distribution of free drinks; Matichon online warned protestors to be careful not to drink anything offered: 30+ people treated for poisoning at hospital. How dirty can this illicit regime get?
Cracking down on protest are legal in theory, but currently the government and soldiers are employing a wrong tactics.
If true that majority of protesters came from province. Imagine that you came 100 miles from your village and is surrounded by soldiers, no water and electricity, and a platform of speaker blaring propaganda message. You would react by:
A) Run into the dark to a line of rifle-toting soldiers and ask to go home
B) Stay with your friend who sit next to you
The problem is soldier confuse crowd control with enemy siege. That’s why every crackdown by soldiers all over the world result in casualties. And to make it worst, the bulk of Thai’s soldier are not that professionally train to begin with.
With the current circumstance, the impending crackdown would won Abhisit in toppling the October massacre kill count.
Re: Glenn “Clearly there was no way the government could simply give in to the wishes of the protest mob and immediate dissolve the government. ”
Well from a Chiang Mai perspective, since coming to office over a year ago who has the government given in to?
Firstly here they sent a new police chief who extended Pubbing hours to 2 am and allows illegal and very noisy pubs to operate and make a din to drive away residents & tourists alike. (Missing Purachai)
Secondly Abhisit gave in to a clique of tourism business leaders and so has never been here to the country’s number two city.
Thirdly Abhisit’ cabinet approved a 1.8 billion baht conference centre construction project here with no community input. Who handled the contract?
Fourthly this April saw the worst air pollution crisis for the month since records began around 7 years ago, with the Abhisit Governor totally ineffective. A major contributor to wildfire was the Thai Army. Others were the “phrai” who unlike their brothers in Issan think burning is fine.
With this dismal record it is no wonder many in Chiang Mai would love to see a dissolution of parliament now and I suggest a slashing of the military budget (we have already had a dud aircraft carrier & airship, let’s not have submarines etc..)
Re: “The clean up”
The government chose to use the military and send in assasins.
It could have sent in digging machines to drag away the barricades and water cannon to wash away the Reds.
How the thugs in Burma must be looking on with pleasure.
Paul, each according to their kamma; the criminals Abhisit and Suthep will have a lot of explaining in this life first after the blood is cleared from the protest site; one wonders at the silence of international human rights groups? perhaps bought over by consistent propaganda like AI which made the vacuous comment recently: “Amnesty International welcomes the Thai government’s pledge to investigate promptly, effectively, and impartially the recent violence, and urges it to provide accountability for any violations by security forces as well as abuses by violent protesters” (hah! violent protestors! they are going with the govt’s attempt at blaming the likes of Saedaeng who has been trying to train the Nor Por Chor guards in providing basic security around the barracades!); the National Human Rights Commission in Thailand we know is a joke: a mouthpiece of the government; it is only the south Asian based ACHR that was quick to respond http://www.achrweb.org/press/2010/THAI02-2010.html
A most disturbing thing is what this means for Seh Daeng’s “supporter.”
The common and well-known rumor is that the only reason Seh Daeng was able to get away with making such outrageous comments and insubordinate behavior in public was because he had a high-level supporter. Maybe not as much Barami as Sondhi L/Sonthi B’s supporter. But many people feared him, and his power could only grow. The fact that the rumor has been allowed to continue for so long implies that there is some truth to it.
Does this mean that the “supporter” has decided to let his rabid dog loose and stopped supporting him? Or that suddenly the Army (or factions in the Army) are rebelling against the “supporter?” Or that a more-powerful figure has decided to discipline the supporter?
But where is Veera? Has he ran away? Are the other leaders about to leave? Do the second tier get to be leaders now? Seh Daeng said it would be him and Arisman. Maybe just Arisman now.
From the beginning of the demonstration, the red-shirt wanted only a house dissolution, the answer they got from this bloody government is many dead bodies. From now on, after they shot Seh Daeng, there can never be any more dialogue between them. The situation will be more violence. A house dissolution is a normal practice in any country, when any citizens in that country dislike the government, a demonstration is needed for a change. But this government choose to kill rather than giving up power. We condemn and curse this government to go to the deepest part of hell.
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Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
article on thai e-news condemns the silence of the Office of the National Human Rights Commission of Thailand [р╕Др╕Ур╕░р╕Бр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕┤р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕йр╕вр╕Кр╕Щр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤] who continue to support the infringement of human rights, the massacre of its citizens by the criminal Abhisit and his side-kick; they claim the Reds are “terrorists”! but not a word on the Yellow shirt past few years and the commission even criticsed the elected govt of trying to dissolve yellow mobs at places like parliament and – yes- least we forget – the international airport! (even the direct, charismatic and harsh speaking Saedaeng, a guy soft at heart and passionate for doing the right things never carried any weapons when he was advising Nor Por Chor on defence strategies and military intelligence; he was unarmed of course when he was shot giving an interview. Note that Abhisit always goes for the head. I suggest readers to flood the Human Rights office with emails condemning their biases and inaction over the loss of its citizens: Tel : (66) (0)2141-3800, (0)2141-3900 (0)2141-3900 ,
Hotline : 1377 E-mail : [email protected]
Thongchai Winichakul on the Red “germs”
On my blog I posted extensive quotes on red shirts and violence, taken from Asia Times Online
“The revolution walks on two legs. One political leg and one army leg. Violence is the essential ingredient in the mix.”
but at the same time
“The tactic is to keep saying that you are a peace-loving people.”
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
12:05 in the afternoon, local time in front of the Marriott, Sathorn: 3 squads of army march up Sathorn toward Rama 4. All carry rifles, doubtless with rubber bullets.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Perhaps it should come as no surprise that the “State” has authorized the use of trained snipers to “surgically” assasinate selected UDD leaders: it is much less messy than storming the barricades. The assumption may well be that UDD supporters without their existing leaders will be unable to maintain their momentum against the “groups” and “classes” in Thai society it opposes and will simply return to their homes to live for another day in the knowledge that the Thai State is able to be more effectively used by the current “ruling elites” in Thailand than by Thais of other “social classes”.
However, what this assumption may well misunderstand is the nature of opposition to the existing Thai State and that this opposition while contingent to some extent on effective leadership will not dissipate simply because (and tragically from a human perspective) Seh Daeng was assasinated. Ironically for someone who in the past was “anti-Communist” Seh Deang might acquire the same status as Jit Phoumisak who was of course killed for his political tendencies.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
In an interview with PBS Newshour, Thomas Fuller, the NYT reporter who witnessed Seh Daeng being shot, had the following to say about who the perpetrator might be:
“I couldn’t even guess,” Fuller said. “This is a society that has become deeply fractured: the institutions are divided, the military appears divided, the police is often very sympathetic with the protesters. The population itself is geographically divided. I can think of a lot of motives. I can think of a lot of different groups but Thailand has entered this very shadowy phase in its political turmoil and we just don’t know who is doing what.”
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Dear Jim,
Thank you for the precious comments. I appreciate your comments and hope to read more from you. Sae Daeng is now a red-hero, he is now a hero who sacrificed his life for the sake of a free country. He is now free, his soul is now in heaven.
Rating comments
Thanks for your comments on this. At present we have the setting as follows:
Highly rated = thumbs up minus thumbs down is 10 or greater.
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Hotly debated = thumbs up plus thumbs down is 25 or greater.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
In all the chaos over the shooting of Seh Daeng, don’t forget an anonymous supporter was shot dead. What were the supporters doing to be shot? One person being shot at a protest is as good as a thousand people because it is the action of the state to use violence to suppress political dissent. It’s the same action for a thousand. It’s only that the shootings have been sporadic that it doesn’t ‘seem’ like it’s so heavy handed.
How rigorously will the blockade be maintained re supplies? Are there military units in the sewer systems underneath Silom?
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@Ratergater
have you ever seen that automated voting machine joke clip during Bush’s time? 😉
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Ha-ha, so how many thumbs down before my above comment disappears Andrew?
Is this what you really want? At least you will be all able to agree with each other without dissent.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
It has started – Army snipers used as assasins to kill off Red shirts leaders. I guess Ahbisit or his masters think that shooting a few leaders would be enough to breakup the Red shirts.
If their gamble fails, then all hell will break loose in Thailand. – BTW, I thought govt sponsored assasination is a No No. Where are the outrage from foreign govts?
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Dr Weng just annouced that Saedaeng has died
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Red protestors, incuding masses of taxi drivers are mobilising; nearby provinces of Pathumthani the Reds are joining the ranks and are now fighting back! Jane’s Anthony Davis said that the selected sniping of Red supporters was a smart tactic by Abhisit to create chaos and sense of fear to state and nonstate groups to disperse the Nor Por Chor protestors otherwise severe consequence will result…well the CIA did a good job of training these guys.
Also, the rats at DSI intend to arrest Saedaeng, even as he lays dying (he was shot twice); Saedaeng’s daughter told the doctors to turn off the life support system if he deteriorates further (he has severe brain injury, high velocity weapon used caused bullet to pass right through).
Thairat online noted the govt tried to poison red guards and other protestors through distribution of free drinks; Matichon online warned protestors to be careful not to drink anything offered: 30+ people treated for poisoning at hospital. How dirty can this illicit regime get?
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Cracking down on protest are legal in theory, but currently the government and soldiers are employing a wrong tactics.
If true that majority of protesters came from province. Imagine that you came 100 miles from your village and is surrounded by soldiers, no water and electricity, and a platform of speaker blaring propaganda message. You would react by:
A) Run into the dark to a line of rifle-toting soldiers and ask to go home
B) Stay with your friend who sit next to you
The problem is soldier confuse crowd control with enemy siege. That’s why every crackdown by soldiers all over the world result in casualties. And to make it worst, the bulk of Thai’s soldier are not that professionally train to begin with.
With the current circumstance, the impending crackdown would won Abhisit in toppling the October massacre kill count.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Re: Glenn “Clearly there was no way the government could simply give in to the wishes of the protest mob and immediate dissolve the government. ”
Well from a Chiang Mai perspective, since coming to office over a year ago who has the government given in to?
Firstly here they sent a new police chief who extended Pubbing hours to 2 am and allows illegal and very noisy pubs to operate and make a din to drive away residents & tourists alike. (Missing Purachai)
Secondly Abhisit gave in to a clique of tourism business leaders and so has never been here to the country’s number two city.
Thirdly Abhisit’ cabinet approved a 1.8 billion baht conference centre construction project here with no community input. Who handled the contract?
Fourthly this April saw the worst air pollution crisis for the month since records began around 7 years ago, with the Abhisit Governor totally ineffective. A major contributor to wildfire was the Thai Army. Others were the “phrai” who unlike their brothers in Issan think burning is fine.
With this dismal record it is no wonder many in Chiang Mai would love to see a dissolution of parliament now and I suggest a slashing of the military budget (we have already had a dud aircraft carrier & airship, let’s not have submarines etc..)
Re: “The clean up”
The government chose to use the military and send in assasins.
It could have sent in digging machines to drag away the barricades and water cannon to wash away the Reds.
How the thugs in Burma must be looking on with pleasure.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
Paul, each according to their kamma; the criminals Abhisit and Suthep will have a lot of explaining in this life first after the blood is cleared from the protest site; one wonders at the silence of international human rights groups? perhaps bought over by consistent propaganda like AI which made the vacuous comment recently: “Amnesty International welcomes the Thai government’s pledge to investigate promptly, effectively, and impartially the recent violence, and urges it to provide accountability for any violations by security forces as well as abuses by violent protesters” (hah! violent protestors! they are going with the govt’s attempt at blaming the likes of Saedaeng who has been trying to train the Nor Por Chor guards in providing basic security around the barracades!); the National Human Rights Commission in Thailand we know is a joke: a mouthpiece of the government; it is only the south Asian based ACHR that was quick to respond http://www.achrweb.org/press/2010/THAI02-2010.html
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
A most disturbing thing is what this means for Seh Daeng’s “supporter.”
The common and well-known rumor is that the only reason Seh Daeng was able to get away with making such outrageous comments and insubordinate behavior in public was because he had a high-level supporter. Maybe not as much Barami as Sondhi L/Sonthi B’s supporter. But many people feared him, and his power could only grow. The fact that the rumor has been allowed to continue for so long implies that there is some truth to it.
Does this mean that the “supporter” has decided to let his rabid dog loose and stopped supporting him? Or that suddenly the Army (or factions in the Army) are rebelling against the “supporter?” Or that a more-powerful figure has decided to discipline the supporter?
Chilling questions…
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
But where is Veera? Has he ran away? Are the other leaders about to leave? Do the second tier get to be leaders now? Seh Daeng said it would be him and Arisman. Maybe just Arisman now.
Crackdown? Abhisit’s last stand?
From the beginning of the demonstration, the red-shirt wanted only a house dissolution, the answer they got from this bloody government is many dead bodies. From now on, after they shot Seh Daeng, there can never be any more dialogue between them. The situation will be more violence. A house dissolution is a normal practice in any country, when any citizens in that country dislike the government, a demonstration is needed for a change. But this government choose to kill rather than giving up power. We condemn and curse this government to go to the deepest part of hell.
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