Funnily enough even the red leaders dont go as far as this account, so guess as it has no backing on any side it is likely fantasy. It wasnt written by old Sean of UDD facebook fame by any chace was it? The red leaders also didnt use the rather bizarre account initially posted there of how April 10 came off either compelte with accidental grenades and troops firing en masse on their own side. Or the claims of hundreds of dead after lasty years clearance which no evidence has been produced of and after witnessing how the military arent that efficient now looks even more bizarre.
The hospital raid apart from being ill thought out and horrendous was a spectacular own goal probably heavily built on paranoia heightened by spending so long holed up in a barricaded area surrounded by the authorities and having suffered a number of setbacks in the recent days worsened by a lack of sleep and poor information.
While of course NM shouldnt be censoring whatever peole want to write I wonder if a discalimer that a piece is not endorsed by any protagonist in the conflict and doesnt match any news account either local or international should have been made in this case. and other similar unsubstantiated propaganda pieces by any sides. Would after all NM without comment or disclaimer publish a piece by an anonymous government supporter saying something simlar but of a different slant? If the answer is a resounding no (as most of us would believe and expect) then surely NM should make their position on the publishing of rumours, gossip, unsubstantiated rumours and propaganda clear.
MD for Truth (30). Western medical professionals treat wounded enemy soldiers with equal care. Compare this with the refusal of your lot to treat your own police wounded by thugs in 2008. Your humbug makes me sick.
I have spoken to several eye witnesses who provide reliable accounts of Elvis’s presence at Chulalongkorn hospital immediately prior to the red-shirt raid. He was seen giving a rendition of “Suspicious Minds” from a 14Th floor window directly overlooking the red-shirt main stage. Apparently he has now left the building.
He tried to tell the whole world that ppl love him or he was bullied by army.”So ridiculous”
When the court judged that he was guilty,then he fled from Thailand by lied to the court that he would like to attend to Olympic and he won’t return.
Now many countries includes US and UK don’t allow him to take his stinky feet on their lands. UK also seized his 140,000 million THB asset because he couldn’t explain how these amount of money(asset) came from. Such a big fat criminal!!
If you ain’t Thai and receive only the news from red shirt,please shut your lovely shallow mouth up.
“Great twisted logic to again call the govt, and anyone who disagrees with red intolerance and intimidation, the perpetrators of anti democratic values. Let the reds come and run Andrew’s country’s democracy.
Perhaps the master manipulator wannabe president for life Thaksin is staying out of the bloody, nasty limelight to keep the SFT from coming out against him as they have in the past.”
And the propaganda sausage machine grinds another one out…
Interesting things about sausages (and computers) – gigo
wrong way round… we identified the anti-democratic behaviour and then discovered that it is the government that is behaving this way
the test of democracy is whether the government is willing to go to the people for decision in free, fair and equal election
the Abhisit government cannot call an election because the real rulers, the military, will not allow it, therefore the government cannot claim to be democratic
Full franchise democratic elections are a direct threat to the military
because they take the power of choice of MPs from them and worse,
elected governments can claim the authority of the people and introduce controls on the military.
After he was elected Thaksin was foolish and brave enough to introduce some controls, there were calls that he was “interfering with the military promotions and reshuffle” (which a democratic government has a duty to do) and “threatening the monarchy” which he wasnt, but the military always falls back on this to secure their power.
It is the challenge for every government to try to bring the military
under control. Abhisit cannnot because he cannot claim the mandate of the people.
From my point of view, the 18 years old may vote, so Thais don’t expect some below 18 yo. to care much about the politic yet but fashion, music and all other entertain elements.
The 18 to 22 are not paying much attention to the politics, most of the Thai between 18 to 22 are still facing difficulties making decision about their life, what they want to do and what they want to be in the near future.
Among those young Thais I have talked to about politics, most of them change the channels when there are NEWS on TV with the feeling that politics are boring issues (better watch advertisement).
It is already difficult during this holiday for the youngs in BKK, as the siam paragon is not allowed to go by parents,…. so they plan to go to other departmentstore instead.
The light of the nation is to quickly improve our educational system, which is out date, the government needs to attrack the best brain back from industry and business, the gov’t needs to pay 3 times higher salaries to educational staffs with fairly recruitment systems for teachers at all level.
We needs the best brain back to our education systems here in Thailand.
Such trash logic is an insult to intelligence. And follow on discourse is laughable. ” changing to multi color shirts allows Newin infiltrators to……”….. I guess before they never thought of putting on a red shirt and walking in to the site. What kind of childish thinking is this?
Doctors and med professionals pride themselves in being color blind throughout the world – suggesting the level of moral baseness and conspiracy needed to support the above wild accusations says more about the accusers. Putting our older people’s and childrens future in their hands is a horrifying prospect.
If heaven means holding ordinary people hostage, paying thugs to put women and children in front of the line of fire, physically beating anyone who disagrees with you in the name of democracy. Attacking anyone who hits back when they find your hand in their pocket is not the road to heaven. He may be in his own kind of heaven, but that has nothing to do with human rights, democracy, and basic human tolerance and goodness.
So speak out, engage all segments of society, be accountable for your actions, make the kind of personal sacrifices needed to be a real leader of societies.
Not understanding? Laughing and scorning such stupid comments? such loser idealist nonsense in a world where only pure physical and not moral power is successful?
Wishful thinking to assume wannabe presidents for life to even understand the greater good. Hope all you romanticizing democraphites learn to recognize despots better and remember who is paying cash up front for all red activities. be sure that later he will demand and engineer massive profits for himself that we all pay for for generations. Think Bush, Mao and do not insult us by allowing names like Mandela into the discourse.
What time of the day did you go there?
That also have a role in the composition of the crowd, especially around the Ratchadamri barricade. Younger people stand there in mass during the night, waiting for possible moves by the army or police which also mean that normally during the morning and early afternoon most of them lay somewhere sleeping. The red shirts protest in Ratchaprasong changes frequently during the day in term of age, composition, and numbers.
Diplomats are guests in their host countries, albeit esteemed guests. Host governments have within their rights to tell diplomats what actions constitute meddling in internal politics. It appears to me that this appears to be the case in this instance. The Thai government went to the representative of the diplomatic corps in Bangkok and told him, “Just a gentle reminder to tell your diplo-buddies who are out rabble-rousing to knock it off. If you want to be a diplomat in our country here are the rules.” What’s wrong with that?
Great twisted logic to again call the govt, and anyone who disagrees with red intolerance and intimidation, the perpetrators of anti democratic values. Let the reds come and run Andrew’s country’s democracy.
Perhaps the master manipulator wannabe president for life Thaksin is staying out of the bloody, nasty limelight to keep the SFT from coming out against him as they have in the past.
Your graphs appear to show worker productivity in industry v. agriculture but it appears many of your commenters are reading it as worker income in the two industries. Do you have graphs of worker real incomes in the two industries? I suspect they will tell the same stories but just to be sure since everyone seems to assume that worker productivity equals worker incomes.
As to whether the Thai agricultural sector improved productivity during the Thaksin years, I suspect that it did. Thaksin pumped lots of government money into the rural areas. Everyone remembers stories of Thaksin’s cheap (read: heavily subsidized) healthcare for the rural poor. It stands to reason that a healthier worker is a more productive worker. That program and others rural-targetted programs under Thaksin probably did increase the productivity of Thailand’s agricultural sector. HOWEVER, the question was and still is at what costs? Were those types of government subsidies sustainable? Could that money have been better spent elsewhere, in more productive sectors of the economy? Are there more rational and less expensive programs to increase productivity of the agricultural sector than what Thaksin pursued?
I’m pretty certain Thaksin pursued his rural/populist agenda not merely for the benefit of the rural poor. He’s a pretty savvy politician who’s not above using the people for his own purposes.
Ha Ha, Thaksin speaks from heaven but Apisit is speaking from hell. What a different! One leader that was elected and loved by all walks of life but one came from an army camp, backed by elites.
[…] : Student leaders summoned from the blogworld …………………….. Student leaders summoned Andrew Walker May 2nd, 2010 I have received this via email: Two core leaders of the Student […]
“As a democratic country with a democratic government”?
-With unaccountable civil and military bodies
Is a country with military coups a democracy? A demi-democracy or a pseudo democracy?
Does anyone in diplomatic circles or elsewhere take Kasits pronouncements seriously?
I believe now he’s finished washing his feet in Huns Sens blood that they’re good friends again?
I guess he is not being charged for occupying the airport in an anti-government protest?
I guess he is not being charged for suggesting changes to the monarchy in the USA?
What does he see in the mirror each morning?What principles does he stand for?
Tarrin 13
“Im wondering why its only those with yellow mentality that can came up with such a thing, during the yellow hayday I never see anything like this before.”
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Chulalongkorn Hospital – an alternative account
Funnily enough even the red leaders dont go as far as this account, so guess as it has no backing on any side it is likely fantasy. It wasnt written by old Sean of UDD facebook fame by any chace was it? The red leaders also didnt use the rather bizarre account initially posted there of how April 10 came off either compelte with accidental grenades and troops firing en masse on their own side. Or the claims of hundreds of dead after lasty years clearance which no evidence has been produced of and after witnessing how the military arent that efficient now looks even more bizarre.
The hospital raid apart from being ill thought out and horrendous was a spectacular own goal probably heavily built on paranoia heightened by spending so long holed up in a barricaded area surrounded by the authorities and having suffered a number of setbacks in the recent days worsened by a lack of sleep and poor information.
While of course NM shouldnt be censoring whatever peole want to write I wonder if a discalimer that a piece is not endorsed by any protagonist in the conflict and doesnt match any news account either local or international should have been made in this case. and other similar unsubstantiated propaganda pieces by any sides. Would after all NM without comment or disclaimer publish a piece by an anonymous government supporter saying something simlar but of a different slant? If the answer is a resounding no (as most of us would believe and expect) then surely NM should make their position on the publishing of rumours, gossip, unsubstantiated rumours and propaganda clear.
Street fighting in Bangkok
A useful account by the Al Jazeera reporter: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/asia/2010/05/01/shot-had-huge-impact?sms_ss=email
Chulalongkorn Hospital – an alternative account
MD for Truth (30). Western medical professionals treat wounded enemy soldiers with equal care. Compare this with the refusal of your lot to treat your own police wounded by thugs in 2008. Your humbug makes me sick.
Chulalongkorn Hospital – an alternative account
I have spoken to several eye witnesses who provide reliable accounts of Elvis’s presence at Chulalongkorn hospital immediately prior to the red-shirt raid. He was seen giving a rendition of “Suspicious Minds” from a 14Th floor window directly overlooking the red-shirt main stage. Apparently he has now left the building.
Interview with Thaksin: “I am speaking to you from heaven”
It must be “HELL” not heaven.
He tried to tell the whole world that ppl love him or he was bullied by army.”So ridiculous”
When the court judged that he was guilty,then he fled from Thailand by lied to the court that he would like to attend to Olympic and he won’t return.
Now many countries includes US and UK don’t allow him to take his stinky feet on their lands. UK also seized his 140,000 million THB asset because he couldn’t explain how these amount of money(asset) came from. Such a big fat criminal!!
If you ain’t Thai and receive only the news from red shirt,please shut your lovely shallow mouth up.
Student leaders summoned
“Great twisted logic to again call the govt, and anyone who disagrees with red intolerance and intimidation, the perpetrators of anti democratic values. Let the reds come and run Andrew’s country’s democracy.
Perhaps the master manipulator wannabe president for life Thaksin is staying out of the bloody, nasty limelight to keep the SFT from coming out against him as they have in the past.”
And the propaganda sausage machine grinds another one out…
Interesting things about sausages (and computers) – gigo
Student leaders summoned
“Truth” Today …
wrong way round… we identified the anti-democratic behaviour and then discovered that it is the government that is behaving this way
the test of democracy is whether the government is willing to go to the people for decision in free, fair and equal election
the Abhisit government cannot call an election because the real rulers, the military, will not allow it, therefore the government cannot claim to be democratic
Full franchise democratic elections are a direct threat to the military
because they take the power of choice of MPs from them and worse,
elected governments can claim the authority of the people and introduce controls on the military.
After he was elected Thaksin was foolish and brave enough to introduce some controls, there were calls that he was “interfering with the military promotions and reshuffle” (which a democratic government has a duty to do) and “threatening the monarchy” which he wasnt, but the military always falls back on this to secure their power.
It is the challenge for every government to try to bring the military
under control. Abhisit cannnot because he cannot claim the mandate of the people.
Where are the young reds?
From my point of view, the 18 years old may vote, so Thais don’t expect some below 18 yo. to care much about the politic yet but fashion, music and all other entertain elements.
The 18 to 22 are not paying much attention to the politics, most of the Thai between 18 to 22 are still facing difficulties making decision about their life, what they want to do and what they want to be in the near future.
Among those young Thais I have talked to about politics, most of them change the channels when there are NEWS on TV with the feeling that politics are boring issues (better watch advertisement).
It is already difficult during this holiday for the youngs in BKK, as the siam paragon is not allowed to go by parents,…. so they plan to go to other departmentstore instead.
The light of the nation is to quickly improve our educational system, which is out date, the government needs to attrack the best brain back from industry and business, the gov’t needs to pay 3 times higher salaries to educational staffs with fairly recruitment systems for teachers at all level.
We needs the best brain back to our education systems here in Thailand.
Chulalongkorn Hospital – an alternative account
Such trash logic is an insult to intelligence. And follow on discourse is laughable. ” changing to multi color shirts allows Newin infiltrators to……”….. I guess before they never thought of putting on a red shirt and walking in to the site. What kind of childish thinking is this?
Doctors and med professionals pride themselves in being color blind throughout the world – suggesting the level of moral baseness and conspiracy needed to support the above wild accusations says more about the accusers. Putting our older people’s and childrens future in their hands is a horrifying prospect.
Interview with Thaksin: “I am speaking to you from heaven”
If heaven means holding ordinary people hostage, paying thugs to put women and children in front of the line of fire, physically beating anyone who disagrees with you in the name of democracy. Attacking anyone who hits back when they find your hand in their pocket is not the road to heaven. He may be in his own kind of heaven, but that has nothing to do with human rights, democracy, and basic human tolerance and goodness.
So speak out, engage all segments of society, be accountable for your actions, make the kind of personal sacrifices needed to be a real leader of societies.
Not understanding? Laughing and scorning such stupid comments? such loser idealist nonsense in a world where only pure physical and not moral power is successful?
Wishful thinking to assume wannabe presidents for life to even understand the greater good. Hope all you romanticizing democraphites learn to recognize despots better and remember who is paying cash up front for all red activities. be sure that later he will demand and engineer massive profits for himself that we all pay for for generations. Think Bush, Mao and do not insult us by allowing names like Mandela into the discourse.
Where are the young reds?
What time of the day did you go there?
That also have a role in the composition of the crowd, especially around the Ratchadamri barricade. Younger people stand there in mass during the night, waiting for possible moves by the army or police which also mean that normally during the morning and early afternoon most of them lay somewhere sleeping. The red shirts protest in Ratchaprasong changes frequently during the day in term of age, composition, and numbers.
What Kasit said to the diplomats
Diplomats are guests in their host countries, albeit esteemed guests. Host governments have within their rights to tell diplomats what actions constitute meddling in internal politics. It appears to me that this appears to be the case in this instance. The Thai government went to the representative of the diplomatic corps in Bangkok and told him, “Just a gentle reminder to tell your diplo-buddies who are out rabble-rousing to knock it off. If you want to be a diplomat in our country here are the rules.” What’s wrong with that?
Student leaders summoned
Great twisted logic to again call the govt, and anyone who disagrees with red intolerance and intimidation, the perpetrators of anti democratic values. Let the reds come and run Andrew’s country’s democracy.
Perhaps the master manipulator wannabe president for life Thaksin is staying out of the bloody, nasty limelight to keep the SFT from coming out against him as they have in the past.
Thailand’s disparity between agriculture and industry
Andrew:
Your graphs appear to show worker productivity in industry v. agriculture but it appears many of your commenters are reading it as worker income in the two industries. Do you have graphs of worker real incomes in the two industries? I suspect they will tell the same stories but just to be sure since everyone seems to assume that worker productivity equals worker incomes.
As to whether the Thai agricultural sector improved productivity during the Thaksin years, I suspect that it did. Thaksin pumped lots of government money into the rural areas. Everyone remembers stories of Thaksin’s cheap (read: heavily subsidized) healthcare for the rural poor. It stands to reason that a healthier worker is a more productive worker. That program and others rural-targetted programs under Thaksin probably did increase the productivity of Thailand’s agricultural sector. HOWEVER, the question was and still is at what costs? Were those types of government subsidies sustainable? Could that money have been better spent elsewhere, in more productive sectors of the economy? Are there more rational and less expensive programs to increase productivity of the agricultural sector than what Thaksin pursued?
I’m pretty certain Thaksin pursued his rural/populist agenda not merely for the benefit of the rural poor. He’s a pretty savvy politician who’s not above using the people for his own purposes.
Interview with Thaksin: “I am speaking to you from heaven”
Ha Ha, Thaksin speaks from heaven but Apisit is speaking from hell. What a different! One leader that was elected and loved by all walks of life but one came from an army camp, backed by elites.
Student leaders summoned
[…] : Student leaders summoned from the blogworld …………………….. Student leaders summoned Andrew Walker May 2nd, 2010 I have received this via email: Two core leaders of the Student […]
Student leaders summoned
@david
Current government bad, but not even close to worst. That’s the scary part, they have quite far to sink yet, and given the direction they’ve taken…
What Kasit said to the diplomats
“As a democratic country with a democratic government”?
-With unaccountable civil and military bodies
Is a country with military coups a democracy? A demi-democracy or a pseudo democracy?
Does anyone in diplomatic circles or elsewhere take Kasits pronouncements seriously?
I believe now he’s finished washing his feet in Huns Sens blood that they’re good friends again?
I guess he is not being charged for occupying the airport in an anti-government protest?
I guess he is not being charged for suggesting changes to the monarchy in the USA?
What does he see in the mirror each morning?What principles does he stand for?
Where are the young reds?
Tarrin 13
“Im wondering why its only those with yellow mentality that can came up with such a thing, during the yellow hayday I never see anything like this before.”
Think Mo-So,
Think ISOC!
Student leaders summoned
This is extremely worrying.