There is no right to say or report. There is clearly no right to say or report what one might want to say within Thailand but the laws on lese majeste also apply to statements made outside Thailand’s borders. Perhaps Kasit Piromya might be charged for his statements made at Johns Hopkins University although more than likely double standards will apply here too.
Mai,
“No one is fucking in Jail because of the issue.” You don’t read enough. Da Torpedo and Suwicha Takhor (and maybe others) are in jail because of this issue. But you’re right to say that the king does not run to catch anyone. Courtiers and toadies and those with their own personal axes to grind do it.
I hope you have a safe place to hide when the LM policemen come looking for you. You have offended against the Royal family and broken LM Law too many times on New Mandala.
If you are in a serious trouble with LM police you should go to Aussie Embassy on Hta-non Sathorn and apply for a refugee protection visa.
This is an interesting remark by Kasit. However, first, the Democrats still adhere to the current model of the monarchy, and they see the UDD and others as dangers to the continuation of this model. Second, Kasit’s PAD friends are very strong in their rejection of any change in the direction that Kasit indicated. The ASTV Manager of today carried an article headlined, “Encouraging Abhisit in suppressing the revolt of those who want to topple the monarchy.”
Anyway, there have indeed been indications that what Kasit’s remarks pointed to has been discussed in high-ranking circles.
So, at the end of the day Eric Cambell’s ‘show’ was all virtually a waste of time. Eric spills the beans and gives everything for a 27 minute special that the rest of the world outside of Australia will never see.
ABC are pathetic to have locked this program like they have done
For those Monarchy lovers (Thai or foreign) we have experience a fair share of your thought here, but the reason we never listen (or care) was because your inability to put up a logical explanation why we should have LM law in the first place.
The most dangerous aspect of LM law is that it allows the royal family to be able to commit crime (civil or criminal) without anyone able to comment or arrest them for that matter, who knows what they did behind those walls, there might be a tortured room in there for all we know. We start all this discussion for the future for our beloved institution and the clean democracy and politic without any divine intervention. Don’t even start about the rule of law because the LM law itself is the law that is not respecting the rule of law.
and then continue the discussion. It’s more fair to other readers and not least to Kasit whatever his previous actions. And if you can’t stand to listen to the entire speech, let me guide you to 29:00 for a start (otherwise I have tried to transcribe a brief of Kasit’s last five minutes of the speech, i.e. 29-35 minutes)
Whatever the violence on the streets, being traumatic as it is, the democratic process [in Thailand] is not necessarily paved with roses. The positive side is that the ordinary people are engaging in the political process – as opposed to fifteen years ago.
We haven’t found a formular. The representative democracy has not quite succeded. We haven’t found the right compromise.
It’s still an unfinished symphony. I remain optimistic that we can every side coming to the negotiating table to speak about the monarchical institution. How should it adjust itself to modern society (like the Dutch, Danish and English)?
We should be brave enough to talk about the taboo subject of the monarchy.
“Funnily enough, the other story is that Phumiphon has been such a fabulous success that his unfortunate son couldn’t possibly hope to compare. In building his families financial position I would certainly have to concur, there have been few to come close. But if judged on his political contributions of 40+ years of meddling, he has out lived so many of his military business partners, then I feel the present political mess should be laid firmly at his door.”
Quite right. He built this mess, how can he not bear the responsibility for it?
Wotdemocracy? – As much as I want to agree with you on the non-violence point. However, history has taught us times and again that no democracy can be “acquire” without bloodshed.
Thanks for the clarification. I’d love to see the piece like many others but I guess I’ll do with the scraps I get for now. Perhaps at least a transcript could be provided somehow.
I’ll tell you, I hope these journalists are aware of how important their work is. I have spoken with many red shirts this past month about Paul Handley’s work and many are familiar with it. It spares them, any Thai, the very uncomfortable job of being critical of a very sacred cow here. Actually I wish I had Paul Handley’s email to tell him as much.
Many of these red shirts are better informed than the main stream media would make them out to be.
Yes, iI can confirm the report of a royal attending an Army funeral. No, I have yet to hear them doing the same of other non military victims. Go figure.
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Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
For those outside Australia you might find it interesting to do a google search for : Foreign Correspondent 13/04/10
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Eric Campbell on journalistic duty
Why work for Getaway when you can work for the Thai government, or for the Thai press (no real difference)? 😉
ABC TV on Thai politics
Tony Thai,
There is no right to say or report. There is clearly no right to say or report what one might want to say within Thailand but the laws on lese majeste also apply to statements made outside Thailand’s borders. Perhaps Kasit Piromya might be charged for his statements made at Johns Hopkins University although more than likely double standards will apply here too.
Mai,
“No one is fucking in Jail because of the issue.” You don’t read enough. Da Torpedo and Suwicha Takhor (and maybe others) are in jail because of this issue. But you’re right to say that the king does not run to catch anyone. Courtiers and toadies and those with their own personal axes to grind do it.
ABC TV on Thai politics
Tarrin,
I hope you have a safe place to hide when the LM policemen come looking for you. You have offended against the Royal family and broken LM Law too many times on New Mandala.
If you are in a serious trouble with LM police you should go to Aussie Embassy on Hta-non Sathorn and apply for a refugee protection visa.
The scene at Phan Fa
I hate censorship and the nanny-knows-best mentality behind it. Who has a monopoly on knowledge, truth and insight?
The electorate are not to see, hear or say anything, is this the brave new world and the future for Thailand?
For starters, there should be a broad acceptance that we live in a pluralist society. people have different opinions, world wide.
Kasit – role of the monarchy may be revamped
#31
This is an interesting remark by Kasit. However, first, the Democrats still adhere to the current model of the monarchy, and they see the UDD and others as dangers to the continuation of this model. Second, Kasit’s PAD friends are very strong in their rejection of any change in the direction that Kasit indicated. The ASTV Manager of today carried an article headlined, “Encouraging Abhisit in suppressing the revolt of those who want to topple the monarchy.”
Anyway, there have indeed been indications that what Kasit’s remarks pointed to has been discussed in high-ranking circles.
ABC TV on Thai politics
Tarrin #35, Well put. The LM law trumps all other laws.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
So, at the end of the day Eric Cambell’s ‘show’ was all virtually a waste of time. Eric spills the beans and gives everything for a 27 minute special that the rest of the world outside of Australia will never see.
ABC are pathetic to have locked this program like they have done
Kasit – role of the monarchy may be revamped
Lese Majeste!!!
Quick! Call the government!
ABC TV on Thai politics
For those Monarchy lovers (Thai or foreign) we have experience a fair share of your thought here, but the reason we never listen (or care) was because your inability to put up a logical explanation why we should have LM law in the first place.
The most dangerous aspect of LM law is that it allows the royal family to be able to commit crime (civil or criminal) without anyone able to comment or arrest them for that matter, who knows what they did behind those walls, there might be a tortured room in there for all we know. We start all this discussion for the future for our beloved institution and the clean democracy and politic without any divine intervention. Don’t even start about the rule of law because the LM law itself is the law that is not respecting the rule of law.
Kasit – role of the monarchy may be revamped
Dear readers,
Did any of you care to listen to the speech?
Looking from most of your answers it strikes me you didn’t.
Go on to
http://www.sais-jhu.edu/news-and-events/index.htm#kasit
and then continue the discussion. It’s more fair to other readers and not least to Kasit whatever his previous actions. And if you can’t stand to listen to the entire speech, let me guide you to 29:00 for a start (otherwise I have tried to transcribe a brief of Kasit’s last five minutes of the speech, i.e. 29-35 minutes)
Whatever the violence on the streets, being traumatic as it is, the democratic process [in Thailand] is not necessarily paved with roses. The positive side is that the ordinary people are engaging in the political process – as opposed to fifteen years ago.
We haven’t found a formular. The representative democracy has not quite succeded. We haven’t found the right compromise.
It’s still an unfinished symphony. I remain optimistic that we can every side coming to the negotiating table to speak about the monarchical institution. How should it adjust itself to modern society (like the Dutch, Danish and English)?
We should be brave enough to talk about the taboo subject of the monarchy.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
“Funnily enough, the other story is that Phumiphon has been such a fabulous success that his unfortunate son couldn’t possibly hope to compare. In building his families financial position I would certainly have to concur, there have been few to come close. But if judged on his political contributions of 40+ years of meddling, he has out lived so many of his military business partners, then I feel the present political mess should be laid firmly at his door.”
Quite right. He built this mess, how can he not bear the responsibility for it?
War at Khao San
Wotdemocracy? – As much as I want to agree with you on the non-violence point. However, history has taught us times and again that no democracy can be “acquire” without bloodshed.
Kasit – role of the monarchy may be revamped
Well, thank to Mr. Kasit, now we vaguely know how the Abhisit government being treat internationally. Hahaha, the laugh is on you Mr. Kasit.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
Maratjp, I’ve forwarded your comments to Paul Handley.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
Nich,
Thanks for the clarification. I’d love to see the piece like many others but I guess I’ll do with the scraps I get for now. Perhaps at least a transcript could be provided somehow.
I’ll tell you, I hope these journalists are aware of how important their work is. I have spoken with many red shirts this past month about Paul Handley’s work and many are familiar with it. It spares them, any Thai, the very uncomfortable job of being critical of a very sacred cow here. Actually I wish I had Paul Handley’s email to tell him as much.
Many of these red shirts are better informed than the main stream media would make them out to be.
Kasit – role of the monarchy may be revamped
Yes, iI can confirm the report of a royal attending an Army funeral. No, I have yet to hear them doing the same of other non military victims. Go figure.
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
hmmm… also copyright ABC…
and 27 mins
Reflections on Eric Campbell’s royal report
laoguy (16). Even the royalists’ childish cult of personality backfired on them when Thaksin stepped so rudely into the old man’s shoes.