We should remember whatever this guy Panitan says.
Pro-Abhisit TVs from NBT and TPBS are giving their version of the story about the crackdown — using peaceful means bla bla but some soldiers are already using firearms against unarmed red protesters. As soon as death casualties occur, the masses (not just reds) will rise up and oppose this unjust and self-serving military-backed regime.
Government spokesman Panitan statement:
———————————
In regard to the thousands of soldiers and police now moving in on the tens of thousands of unarmed demonstrators at the Ratchaprasong Central Shopping Center site:
“To make sure today’s operations succeed, I can’t say much. All I can say is we will try to make it most peaceful.
I’m sure if we go step by step, there shouldn’t be much [violence].”
Re Enrico: Just what we need, another Italian from the Commedia dell’arte brandishing great rhetorical skills and dramatic concepts, and of course that ever-justified Italian political/cultural superiority complex (Berlusconi, anyone?) but very few real facts and little deep insight to tell us what is good and bad for Thailand. Mr Enrico, regarind Aristophanes, well I wonder how many Italians ever heard of, much less read, the Tripitaka? But certainly Italy is a much greater place….sets an example for the worl. (And how many tourists go to Italy for imprisoned Balkans and African prostitutes?) One could go on… but Enrico already has.
Enrico, I find your contributions have much more in common, in tone & style, with the work of Swift , than that of Aristophanes. His ‘A Modest Proposal’, in which he suggests killing 2 birds (the problem of unwanted children & that of the shortage of good food) with 1 stone, is an excellent example.
‘banphai’ , history does not appear to agree with your assertion that satire is “the lowest and most mean of human dealings.”
Personally, I find Enrico’s work, along with that of Harrison George on Prachatai and of ‘Not the Nation’, provides some relief in this very serious situation – as well as a sense of perspective to the baffling & illogical statements of some commentators, many of whom seem deluded into believing they are democrats or, worse, have the best interests of this nation at heart.
Charles F: Did you read the link by Nirmal Ghosh? The soldiers and police were outnumbered. Some had ‘rubber bullets’. They had little choice. Sounds inspiring to me; soldiers following their conscience knowing they may be strongly reprimanded and punished by their officers. Sounds more like Thai soldiers are being used inadequately by certain disreputable leaders, but that’s just my view. Plus, is it really fair to stereotype all soldiers and police? You can do that on ThaiVisa’s forums and get cheered.
The soldiers hardly look like the army’s crack troops used for more decisive operations.. They don’t appear by photographs or some descriptions as well-prepared for anything. And no gas masks, though that doesn’t matter if your tear gas is very weak. Can any one say who they were (besides ‘watermelons’) and whether or not they were just a token force?
I checked with Prachatai.com last night, it was accessible but later closed. A source said the commander leading the operation is Col.Kongsompong, son of Gen. Suntorn Kongsompong, former coup leader.
All right–but what is “controversial” about Prachatai (certainly not put this way by Pravit)? Anything that is not published by government-related media outlets (including The Nation and Bangkok Post) nowadays seems to be “controversial.”
CONTROVERSIAL WEBSITTE
Prachatai.com re-emerges at new address
By Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation
Published on April 10, 2010
In defiance of state censorship under the emergency decree, prachatai.com online newspaper fought back and succeeded in restoring its website content on a new address at prachatai.net yesterday.
Pinpaka Ngamsom, deputy editor of prachatai.com, said the 10-person staff regarded the censorship as “illegitimate” and was not afraid of “breaking” the law.
“The law is illegitimate and many people are opposing it as I speak. There should be diverse [political] views,” she said, adding that total censorship on the Internet was futile and the current censorship would only turn more people into joining the red-shirt camp.
“At the same time, [yellow-shirt] ASTV also incites [hatred] and why is there nothing done about it?”
The new online URL is not stable, however, and prachatai.com employees continue to work from safe locations away from their office.
They have posted some of their content on Facebook, which had attracted 1,800 friends as of yesterday evening.
“We shall continue to carry out our duties,” said the deputy editor of Thailand’s independent online newspaper – regarded by the government as pro-red shirts – from an undisclosed location.
StanG#57 :
“As for tear gas canisters, according to The Nation they were snatched from one of the parliament guards and tossed back into the red crowd by attackers themselves.”
Why would Red Shirts throw the canisters at other Red Shirts ?
That looks very suspiciously like a set-up.
I was at Rajaprasong intersection yesterday evening from 1715 to 2115. It seemed to have been the biggest turnout I have seen so far in the past few years (stretching from Rajaprasong to Pratunam intersection). Yet, the clashes at ThaiCom overshadowed this. Clashes always beat less dramatic, but more important events, unfortunately.
Are there any astute military followers who know the approximate number of ‘prai’ military officers, if any? Officers being leaders of soldiers, military academy graduates: Roi Tri to Pon Ek (Lieutenant to General). In other words, who can become an officer?
The fact that the Thai soldiers allowed their weapons to be taken away from them shows what a joke they are.
Like Thai police, they really only good at extorting money from refugees.
Very shameful.
StanG says: “As for tear gas canisters, according to The Nation they were snatched from one of the parliament guards and tossed back into the red crowd by attackers themselves. That explains why they didn’t go off. Nation had a name of the guard, too.”
What The Nation prints should always be taken with a grain of salt.
I also have the names of their “columnists”.
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George – in those pics it’s police not soldiers/army
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3PM Bangkok Saturday April 10th…….
Report that the whole Bangkok Sky Train network is now closed. Rama VIII Bridge (inbound) is closed. Expressway – Ploenchit & Yomraj exits closed
Crackdown
We should remember whatever this guy Panitan says.
Pro-Abhisit TVs from NBT and TPBS are giving their version of the story about the crackdown — using peaceful means bla bla but some soldiers are already using firearms against unarmed red protesters. As soon as death casualties occur, the masses (not just reds) will rise up and oppose this unjust and self-serving military-backed regime.
Crackdown
photo from Ploenchit/Shopping Center site about 2PM Saturday afternoon in Bangkok as soldiers move in……
http://tweetphoto.com/17860657
Crackdown
more Panitan Saturday afternoon in Bangkok:
“Moves are carried out carefully and protesters have been informed.”
“We are taking back areas that are necessary for public way of life. We have got back Phitsanulok Rd and we take back a few more.”
Crackdown
Government spokesman Panitan statement:
———————————
In regard to the thousands of soldiers and police now moving in on the tens of thousands of unarmed demonstrators at the Ratchaprasong Central Shopping Center site:
“To make sure today’s operations succeed, I can’t say much. All I can say is we will try to make it most peaceful.
I’m sure if we go step by step, there shouldn’t be much [violence].”
Crackdown
2:40PM Saturday afternoon at main demonstration site around Central Shopping Center, the soldiers have started to move in…………
http://tweetphoto.com/17863771
Can Thailand’s new consensus hold?
Re Enrico: Just what we need, another Italian from the Commedia dell’arte brandishing great rhetorical skills and dramatic concepts, and of course that ever-justified Italian political/cultural superiority complex (Berlusconi, anyone?) but very few real facts and little deep insight to tell us what is good and bad for Thailand. Mr Enrico, regarind Aristophanes, well I wonder how many Italians ever heard of, much less read, the Tripitaka? But certainly Italy is a much greater place….sets an example for the worl. (And how many tourists go to Italy for imprisoned Balkans and African prostitutes?) One could go on… but Enrico already has.
Can Thailand’s new consensus hold?
Enrico, I find your contributions have much more in common, in tone & style, with the work of Swift , than that of Aristophanes. His ‘A Modest Proposal’, in which he suggests killing 2 birds (the problem of unwanted children & that of the shortage of good food) with 1 stone, is an excellent example.
‘banphai’ , history does not appear to agree with your assertion that satire is “the lowest and most mean of human dealings.”
Personally, I find Enrico’s work, along with that of Harrison George on Prachatai and of ‘Not the Nation’, provides some relief in this very serious situation – as well as a sense of perspective to the baffling & illogical statements of some commentators, many of whom seem deluded into believing they are democrats or, worse, have the best interests of this nation at heart.
A brief fight, and many watermelons
Charles F: Did you read the link by Nirmal Ghosh? The soldiers and police were outnumbered. Some had ‘rubber bullets’. They had little choice. Sounds inspiring to me; soldiers following their conscience knowing they may be strongly reprimanded and punished by their officers. Sounds more like Thai soldiers are being used inadequately by certain disreputable leaders, but that’s just my view. Plus, is it really fair to stereotype all soldiers and police? You can do that on ThaiVisa’s forums and get cheered.
A brief fight, and many watermelons
The soldiers hardly look like the army’s crack troops used for more decisive operations.. They don’t appear by photographs or some descriptions as well-prepared for anything. And no gas masks, though that doesn’t matter if your tear gas is very weak. Can any one say who they were (besides ‘watermelons’) and whether or not they were just a token force?
A brief fight, and many watermelons
Thank you very much Nick.
I checked with Prachatai.com last night, it was accessible but later closed. A source said the commander leading the operation is Col.Kongsompong, son of Gen. Suntorn Kongsompong, former coup leader.
State of Emergency in Bangkok
All right–but what is “controversial” about Prachatai (certainly not put this way by Pravit)? Anything that is not published by government-related media outlets (including The Nation and Bangkok Post) nowadays seems to be “controversial.”
CONTROVERSIAL WEBSITTE
Prachatai.com re-emerges at new address
By Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation
Published on April 10, 2010
In defiance of state censorship under the emergency decree, prachatai.com online newspaper fought back and succeeded in restoring its website content on a new address at prachatai.net yesterday.
Pinpaka Ngamsom, deputy editor of prachatai.com, said the 10-person staff regarded the censorship as “illegitimate” and was not afraid of “breaking” the law.
“The law is illegitimate and many people are opposing it as I speak. There should be diverse [political] views,” she said, adding that total censorship on the Internet was futile and the current censorship would only turn more people into joining the red-shirt camp.
“At the same time, [yellow-shirt] ASTV also incites [hatred] and why is there nothing done about it?”
The new online URL is not stable, however, and prachatai.com employees continue to work from safe locations away from their office.
They have posted some of their content on Facebook, which had attracted 1,800 friends as of yesterday evening.
“We shall continue to carry out our duties,” said the deputy editor of Thailand’s independent online newspaper – regarded by the government as pro-red shirts – from an undisclosed location.
State of Emergency in Bangkok
StanG#57 :
“As for tear gas canisters, according to The Nation they were snatched from one of the parliament guards and tossed back into the red crowd by attackers themselves.”
Why would Red Shirts throw the canisters at other Red Shirts ?
That looks very suspiciously like a set-up.
A brief fight, and many watermelons
Aphisit, “Get Out!”
… and some more images of the reds at Rajprasong
I was at Rajaprasong intersection yesterday evening from 1715 to 2115. It seemed to have been the biggest turnout I have seen so far in the past few years (stretching from Rajaprasong to Pratunam intersection). Yet, the clashes at ThaiCom overshadowed this. Clashes always beat less dramatic, but more important events, unfortunately.
A brief fight, and many watermelons
Are there any astute military followers who know the approximate number of ‘prai’ military officers, if any? Officers being leaders of soldiers, military academy graduates: Roi Tri to Pon Ek (Lieutenant to General). In other words, who can become an officer?
A brief fight, and many watermelons
The fact that the Thai soldiers allowed their weapons to be taken away from them shows what a joke they are.
Like Thai police, they really only good at extorting money from refugees.
Very shameful.
State of Emergency in Bangkok
StanG says: “As for tear gas canisters, according to The Nation they were snatched from one of the parliament guards and tossed back into the red crowd by attackers themselves. That explains why they didn’t go off. Nation had a name of the guard, too.”
What The Nation prints should always be taken with a grain of salt.
I also have the names of their “columnists”.
State of Emergency in Bangkok
Mike, I completely agree with you. On ASTV, that shows the difference between Samak and Abhisit administrations.