Besides, the discussions at King Prajadhipok Institute yesterday and today have been far more interesting and encouraging.
The negotiation is just for show, the 3 wise-men had been bought by Abhisit camp, I dont care what the 3 wise-men is doing.
But I would like to say that you are wrong about not being able to fight the amnart successfully in court. Indeed, that’s what they want you to believe so you don’t even try i.e. if you don’t fight – you lose. I am not saying you can expect to get perfect justice or even justice most of the time, but over the middle to longer term the system does evolve.
I would say that the way you choose and the way I choose to fight is different, by not going to court doesn’t mean that I dont put up a fight. Why do you even want to get into the fighting field when the referee is on your opponent side? you better off fighting out side the field. As for evolving system, this system was well rooted in Thai’s society for the last 60 years I would say it doesnt only does the reverse evolve (ala it got worst)
But elites are rarely willing to give you an inch – you have to fight for it like myself and others have so that they feel they cannot act with impunity next time. Talk is cheap: I got in the ring and gave one or two of the amnart a black eye fair and square – and the Court as well because it was caught playing politics – so even though I lost by a ridiculous TKO ‘hometown’ decision, that too is a matter of public record: I got MY inch.
As long as we are having LM law and the propaganda machine running amok. Let me describe the ring that we are fighting in, under current system, you are walking into the ring with your eye blind and you arm tied behind your back. The referee is on you opponent side and the commentator only talk about how you get punch and the spectator only allow to turn to the ring when you got punch, furthermore your opponent is allowed to come into the right with additional 50 pounds, you have to win the fight. Looking into history I’ve never seen anyone who try and to take on the fight and win so the way I fight is, I burn down the ring.
To my recollection, Socrates said, “It is the mark of the civilized man to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it”. I don’t know about you (unfortunately you have stated that you will not reveal such information) but I was fighting the amnart here long before there were any Red Shirts or even any Yellow Shirts, and now I suppose myself to be a white? In my soi there’s a poster for Pepsi with the white sprayed over with red to leave it simply red and blue, which tells you a lot about the extremism of a lot of Red Shirt propaganda i.e. if you’re not one of us, then you’re one of them.
If I go to jail from my activity then its all over, I will probably be put in jail and forgotten, but I understand why you brought up Socrates’s statement but now in Thailand we couldnt even contemplate the “idea” so I think its a bit too early for Socrates. Lastly the whole “If you are not with me, you are with them” mind set was initiated by the Yellow (or the white in disguise today) I recalled that a Yellow sympathizer in my office was talking about house dissolution during Samak government, I simply stated that I disagree because Samak was in the office for a month so give the guy a chance, and he said I’m Thaksin side, so yeah I didnt even have the chance to explain my thought.
Tarrin, in Politics 101 I was taught that the really troubling people are the ones who can not imagine themselves changing their allegiance, so what’s your problem?
So did you ever think about that statement yourself?
Let me tell you what my problem is, my problem is that I hate to see Thailand being called as some backward country where the only plus side is that we got good cheap whore, and it has been this way for the last 70 years so I change my allegiance from being the classic Bangkok Elite who swear my loyalty to the throne to be simply the “educator” who dare to say something other than what the propaganda machine said.
The “Sufficiency Economy” lives, thanks to the Royal Thai Navy, now engaged, per the Pattaya Mail story below, in teaching a group of women from Laos, one of the world’s poorest countries to “buy only what they need to live” (I know, this is the same Thai Royal Navy with the mothballed aircraft carrier and the Russian submarines on their wish-list but everyone has their own level of “sufficiency” after all….)
———————————- http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml#hd4
———————————-
“Laotian women receive lessons in Thai sufficiency economy philosophy” by Patcharapol Panrak – Pattaya Daily Mail
A group of Laotian learned what Thailand’s “sufficiency economy” philosophy was all about during a visit to the Royal Thai Navy’s New Theory Learning Center in Bang Saray.
The 26 women from Kredtrakarn in Nonthaburi Province received lessons on independent family living and developing self-confidence during the March 16 field trip sponsored by the Ban Kredtrakarn Foundation and Women’s Protection Foundation. The Laotians were welcomed by Capt. Wirat Somchit, director of the learning center on the grounds of the Naval Recruit Training Center.
Cmdr. Samart Aror summarized the sufficiency economy philosophy espoused by HM the King, noting that individuals, families and villages should be able to grow enough food to be self-sufficient and that people should shun excess and only buy what they need to live.
Kamolpan Lakhan, a social worker with the Kredtrakarn Foundation, said it was hoped the Thai philosophy will help the Laotian women change their lives.
Tarrin – Given the limitations of this forum, neither of us is able to respond to every point the other raises. Besides, the discussions at King Prajadhipok Institute yesterday and today have been far more interesting and encouraging.
But I would like to say that you are wrong about not being able to fight the amnart successfully in court. Indeed, that’s what they want you to believe so you don’t even try i.e. if you don’t fight – you lose. I am not saying you can expect to get perfect justice or even justice most of the time, but over the middle to longer term the system does evolve. But elites are rarely willing to give you an inch – you have to fight for it like myself and others have so that they feel they cannot act with impunity next time. Talk is cheap: I got in the ring and gave one or two of the amnart a black eye fair and square – and the Court as well because it was caught playing politics – so even though I lost by a ridiculous TKO ‘hometown’ decision, that too is a matter of public record: I got MY inch.
To my recollection, Socrates said, “It is the mark of the civilized man to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it”. I don’t know about you (unfortunately you have stated that you will not reveal such information) but I was fighting the amnart here long before there were any Red Shirts or even any Yellow Shirts, and now I suppose myself to be a white? In my soi there’s a poster for Pepsi with the white sprayed over with red to leave it simply red and blue, which tells you a lot about the extremism of a lot of Red Shirt propaganda i.e. if you’re not one of us, then you’re one of them.
Tarrin, in Politics 101 I was taught that the really troubling people are the ones who can not imagine themselves changing their allegiance, so what’s your problem?
As always your observations and commentary are spot on. However, I must admit that they are above my intellectual capacity.
Can you do us simple folk a favor? Please point out in Khun Nick’s piece clear instances of biased reporting and compare them with other journalistic sources. Which media outlets would you recommend for us commoners to view/read/listen to so that we salt of the earth types can comprehend (objectively and dispassionately, mind you) the drama which we are witnessing? Can you give us an example of fair and balanced journalism in today’s world?
Honestly, I am tired of all this pro-Red Shirt propaganda! I want the Yellow Shirt mobs back on the street; they were the paragon of nonviolent civil disobedience and incorruptibility. But I can’t seem to find them anymore. Where are they?
George Jetson #48
Could you please share with us the references for these fair and dispassionate
and also interesting reports concerning the Reds and Yellows in the current situation.
I would so love to escape from this seductive red fog in which the (by now) infamous Nick has enveloped us avid NM devotees.
D #55
There are two major phonetic systems used on the planet, the APA (American
Phonetic Alphabet) and the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet). As the CIA
has invested the most in the study of the Thai language they get to call the shots.
No points for guessing which system their linguists use.
Thus, “isaan” (APA) vs “isa:n” (IPA). Vowel length is important in Thai.
Your insistence on “Isan” encourages the persistence of ignorance.
The derivation of Isan from the Balinese Isen is positively Chris Beale like.
I would suggest perhaps Khmer (eisaan) < Sanskrit (isaan).
(My apologies in advance for the lack of equally important tone diacritics, my computer doesn't support them.)
anon wrote: “ц░Сф╕╗ф╕╗ч╛й means ‘democracy’. Not sure if am reading too much into this, but the last character indicates that it was written by someone who learnt the traditional Chinese script e.g. older generation Thai Teochew Chinese who still use this script incl for their shop/business signboards.” The same traditional characters are used in Japan and Taiwan- this sign could be directed toward the Japanese media, which the local variety I’ve noticed still unfailingly refers to the reds first as “Thaksin supporters.”
Yes, it is easy to see the discrimination – but the scale and methods used, are astounding. More importantly, and the reason for this article – how do we assess the facts presented.
While Indonesia and Thailand have used very crude methods to address the “Chinese problem”, it appears that Malaysia has a more sophisticated and subtle way of achieving the same ends.
I’m making a standing appeal to anyone who has documentation of racial discrimination in Malaysia (such as administrative guides, politicians’ speeches, etc) to send me a copy. I would be most grateful ([email protected]).
p.s. Neptunian, you sure there’s no way of getting these documents to Nich or Andrew. As academicians and Australians – they would be out of Kamunting’s reach.
I like that photos about the interrogation of armed MP Corporal. That man had not a bruise on him. Thais are definitely more civilized than Burmese. In a comparable situation in Burma he would be slaughtered by the protesting crowd within a few minutes of his capture.
….rather than Thailand being an example of a “Sufficiency Economy”, it is probably more accurate to describe the Thailand economy as a “Desire Economy” per the Dr. Saul analysis linked below:
If you want dispassionate – go to wire reports, or straight to the (so far almost non-existant) academic studies. I come from the lost art of reportage, and that is by nature passionate. Read the great reportages of a long time past when magazines and newspapers still had space for articles that afforded the attention span of more than a few minutes.
If you want biased – go to the Red Shirt’s own media. I am not one of them. There is a huge difference between “bias” and “sympathetic” (the use of a dictionary might help to understand my point).
I am tired of repeating the same all over again, i have numerous times stated where my sympathies are (ordinary and marginalized people, equal rights and opportunities, etc…).
You don’t like that – then don’t read my articles, because you won’t get anything else. Simple as that.
Rather surprising that an academic journal can accept an article extolling a “theory” when the proposer of that theory, Bhumibol, is protected from any criticism whatsoever on pain of a 15 year jail sentence.
At the very least, the journal article should have included a disclaimer to that effect.
It is simply not possible in Thailand to say, for example, that the “sufficiency theory” is a vacuous piece of propaganda whose sole purpose is a public relations exercise for the monarchy, that its effect (if any) on rural development has been negative, and that in total contrast to the claims of the theory, the king has in fact enriched himself and his family over the last half century by establishing a political dictatorship – and stay out of gaol.
So if the Journal of Human Resource Development International wants to lend academic credibility to the propaganda of third world despots then perhaps in future issues it can enlighten us with other theories of development, proposed by, say, Kim Jong Il, Than Shwe and other assorted dictators in the developing world.
If “sufficiency economy” is to be taken seriously as a theory of development then first lift the lese majeste law and let the “philosopher” Bhumibol be exposed to the same criticism as all other academics are.
Counter-filing is now a must, period. Anyone can counter-file, with at least a minimum of reason. If you think you are being falsely alleged and the allegations are being stretched beyond the breaking point, file criminal code sections 137, 172 and 179 with the police first. Don’t let junior staff tell you that filing is not possible. Even someone at the Public Prosecutor’s office wrongly told me I could not do this. But talks with senior police AND overview of the criminal code and criminal procedures code reveals that such counter-filing is not just possible but a minimal response.
In the case of Laksana, Khan and Wattanasak, they left themselves open to over a dozen charges, and police left themselves open, because the publicly-declared charges were alleged as fact and from police stations. All three should be counter-charged with any or all of the some dozen applicable criminal code sections. Need info? Write to [email protected] for info.
“Umno leaders are also fully aware that much of the new wealth in the country is in Malay hands. These sources of wealth include the plantation sector which is dominated by Felda and PNB companies; the smallholding agricultural sector where the Malays are the major group amongst the 112,635 Felda settlers; the hi-tech aerospace industry; the highly lucrative defense industry; the petroleum and gas industry where apart from Petronas and MMC, the Malays have substantial holdings in key MNCs such as Shell, Exxon, BP; the finance and banking sector where eight out of 10 banks are Bumiputera- owned and controlled; the automotive sector where Malay interests are dominant in Proton, Perodua, DRB Hicom, UMW and Naza, and where the system of APs ensures a steady stream of income for select Bumiputeras; as well as the energy and utilities sector where TNB and Malakoff are key players; and so on.”
Above – Extracted from Malaysian Insider
hai greg, It’s not so hard to get the documents, but would have the SB on my tail immediately. Do not fancy a stint in Kemunting – heard the food is really bad there.
I am afraid that due to my sensitive nature, I wanna see this movie! Probably will get a copy in the near future and will send it to NM for its judgment.
Boy, talk about censorship. This is exactly the thing that we must fight against, not fight alongside. Or am I missing something?
As long as we still have the Lese Majeste law, its really hard to say how suitable the sufficiency economy is playing out, as the people who do the study can say anything bad about the royal project.
BKK lawyer#52 – Now comes the plaintiff, pro se, requesting the court of public opinion in the above entitled matter for an Order of Summary Judgment.
Of course I am saying it cannot be Isaan, but not solely based on the word singled-out by BKK Lawyer Esq. as the sum total of his or her arguement. Can you be stopped from writing Isaan? Of course not. Certain American parents for years have invented names for their kids and put spellings on birth certificates that defy literacy and linguistic convention. It is one thing to be illiterate; quite another to advertise it on the heads of your children. Some argue that names shape lives, but that is for another thread.
As for Roman transliteration, how far do you go? Roman numerals are cumbersome and the original Roman alphabet is absent the letters J and U. I guess you could write ?don Thani. Now I am being facetious, of course, but my position is one of practicality, being the representation of Thai words in English, which is the language of global commerce and travel. To base English language representations on Thai conventions might make sense if the English language representations were for Thai people, but the whole idea is to create words that allow non-Thais to communicate and locate.
If you try to apply Thai conventions to the English language, how far do you go? Areyousuggestingthatsnospacesseparatewords?
Isan is derived from the Balinese word (Isen) for Laos, part of which was annexed by Thailand during WWII.
“Laos traces its formal history (also see Early History of Laos) to the establishment of the Kingdom of Lan Xang (literally, “million elephants”) by King Fa Ngum in 1353. Under his rule, the wealthy and mighty kingdom covered the northeast region of present-day Thailand (Isan), all of Laos and present-day Stung Treng province of Cambodia.” [Wikipedia]
So, should both Thai and English transliterations be based on Balinese conventions? Or, would you go back to Indian language conventions from which Balinese is derived?
My problem with SE philosophy is that it seems to be used for practical purposes to keep people (“the masses”) in their place by denouncing excess, waste and materialism. At the same time, the proponents of SE (the elite, bureaucrats, politicians, businessmen, etc) have displayed massive wealth which can only be accumulated from greed, corruption and conflicts of interest.
Similarly, a complete lack of transparency and accountability on government and military spending doesn’t appear to match with SE theory – but for some reason that’s okay.
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Thai style democracy?
Frank Lee – 76
Besides, the discussions at King Prajadhipok Institute yesterday and today have been far more interesting and encouraging.
The negotiation is just for show, the 3 wise-men had been bought by Abhisit camp, I dont care what the 3 wise-men is doing.
But I would like to say that you are wrong about not being able to fight the amnart successfully in court. Indeed, that’s what they want you to believe so you don’t even try i.e. if you don’t fight – you lose. I am not saying you can expect to get perfect justice or even justice most of the time, but over the middle to longer term the system does evolve.
I would say that the way you choose and the way I choose to fight is different, by not going to court doesn’t mean that I dont put up a fight. Why do you even want to get into the fighting field when the referee is on your opponent side? you better off fighting out side the field. As for evolving system, this system was well rooted in Thai’s society for the last 60 years I would say it doesnt only does the reverse evolve (ala it got worst)
But elites are rarely willing to give you an inch – you have to fight for it like myself and others have so that they feel they cannot act with impunity next time. Talk is cheap: I got in the ring and gave one or two of the amnart a black eye fair and square – and the Court as well because it was caught playing politics – so even though I lost by a ridiculous TKO ‘hometown’ decision, that too is a matter of public record: I got MY inch.
As long as we are having LM law and the propaganda machine running amok. Let me describe the ring that we are fighting in, under current system, you are walking into the ring with your eye blind and you arm tied behind your back. The referee is on you opponent side and the commentator only talk about how you get punch and the spectator only allow to turn to the ring when you got punch, furthermore your opponent is allowed to come into the right with additional 50 pounds, you have to win the fight. Looking into history I’ve never seen anyone who try and to take on the fight and win so the way I fight is, I burn down the ring.
To my recollection, Socrates said, “It is the mark of the civilized man to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it”. I don’t know about you (unfortunately you have stated that you will not reveal such information) but I was fighting the amnart here long before there were any Red Shirts or even any Yellow Shirts, and now I suppose myself to be a white? In my soi there’s a poster for Pepsi with the white sprayed over with red to leave it simply red and blue, which tells you a lot about the extremism of a lot of Red Shirt propaganda i.e. if you’re not one of us, then you’re one of them.
If I go to jail from my activity then its all over, I will probably be put in jail and forgotten, but I understand why you brought up Socrates’s statement but now in Thailand we couldnt even contemplate the “idea” so I think its a bit too early for Socrates. Lastly the whole “If you are not with me, you are with them” mind set was initiated by the Yellow (or the white in disguise today) I recalled that a Yellow sympathizer in my office was talking about house dissolution during Samak government, I simply stated that I disagree because Samak was in the office for a month so give the guy a chance, and he said I’m Thaksin side, so yeah I didnt even have the chance to explain my thought.
Tarrin, in Politics 101 I was taught that the really troubling people are the ones who can not imagine themselves changing their allegiance, so what’s your problem?
So did you ever think about that statement yourself?
Let me tell you what my problem is, my problem is that I hate to see Thailand being called as some backward country where the only plus side is that we got good cheap whore, and it has been this way for the last 70 years so I change my allegiance from being the classic Bangkok Elite who swear my loyalty to the throne to be simply the “educator” who dare to say something other than what the propaganda machine said.
Oranuch on sufficiency economy
The “Sufficiency Economy” lives, thanks to the Royal Thai Navy, now engaged, per the Pattaya Mail story below, in teaching a group of women from Laos, one of the world’s poorest countries to “buy only what they need to live” (I know, this is the same Thai Royal Navy with the mothballed aircraft carrier and the Russian submarines on their wish-list but everyone has their own level of “sufficiency” after all….)
———————————-
http://www.pattayamail.com/current/news.shtml#hd4
———————————-
“Laotian women receive lessons in Thai sufficiency economy philosophy” by Patcharapol Panrak – Pattaya Daily Mail
A group of Laotian learned what Thailand’s “sufficiency economy” philosophy was all about during a visit to the Royal Thai Navy’s New Theory Learning Center in Bang Saray.
The 26 women from Kredtrakarn in Nonthaburi Province received lessons on independent family living and developing self-confidence during the March 16 field trip sponsored by the Ban Kredtrakarn Foundation and Women’s Protection Foundation. The Laotians were welcomed by Capt. Wirat Somchit, director of the learning center on the grounds of the Naval Recruit Training Center.
Cmdr. Samart Aror summarized the sufficiency economy philosophy espoused by HM the King, noting that individuals, families and villages should be able to grow enough food to be self-sufficient and that people should shun excess and only buy what they need to live.
Kamolpan Lakhan, a social worker with the Kredtrakarn Foundation, said it was hoped the Thai philosophy will help the Laotian women change their lives.
Thai style democracy?
Tarrin – Given the limitations of this forum, neither of us is able to respond to every point the other raises. Besides, the discussions at King Prajadhipok Institute yesterday and today have been far more interesting and encouraging.
But I would like to say that you are wrong about not being able to fight the amnart successfully in court. Indeed, that’s what they want you to believe so you don’t even try i.e. if you don’t fight – you lose. I am not saying you can expect to get perfect justice or even justice most of the time, but over the middle to longer term the system does evolve. But elites are rarely willing to give you an inch – you have to fight for it like myself and others have so that they feel they cannot act with impunity next time. Talk is cheap: I got in the ring and gave one or two of the amnart a black eye fair and square – and the Court as well because it was caught playing politics – so even though I lost by a ridiculous TKO ‘hometown’ decision, that too is a matter of public record: I got MY inch.
To my recollection, Socrates said, “It is the mark of the civilized man to be able to contemplate an idea without accepting it”. I don’t know about you (unfortunately you have stated that you will not reveal such information) but I was fighting the amnart here long before there were any Red Shirts or even any Yellow Shirts, and now I suppose myself to be a white? In my soi there’s a poster for Pepsi with the white sprayed over with red to leave it simply red and blue, which tells you a lot about the extremism of a lot of Red Shirt propaganda i.e. if you’re not one of us, then you’re one of them.
Tarrin, in Politics 101 I was taught that the really troubling people are the ones who can not imagine themselves changing their allegiance, so what’s your problem?
Bangkok or bust, Part 1
Ajarn George,
As always your observations and commentary are spot on. However, I must admit that they are above my intellectual capacity.
Can you do us simple folk a favor? Please point out in Khun Nick’s piece clear instances of biased reporting and compare them with other journalistic sources. Which media outlets would you recommend for us commoners to view/read/listen to so that we salt of the earth types can comprehend (objectively and dispassionately, mind you) the drama which we are witnessing? Can you give us an example of fair and balanced journalism in today’s world?
Honestly, I am tired of all this pro-Red Shirt propaganda! I want the Yellow Shirt mobs back on the street; they were the paragon of nonviolent civil disobedience and incorruptibility. But I can’t seem to find them anymore. Where are they?
Bangkok or bust, Part 1
George Jetson #48
Could you please share with us the references for these fair and dispassionate
and also interesting reports concerning the Reds and Yellows in the current situation.
I would so love to escape from this seductive red fog in which the (by now) infamous Nick has enveloped us avid NM devotees.
Are you kidding me?
D #55
There are two major phonetic systems used on the planet, the APA (American
Phonetic Alphabet) and the IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet). As the CIA
has invested the most in the study of the Thai language they get to call the shots.
No points for guessing which system their linguists use.
Thus, “isaan” (APA) vs “isa:n” (IPA). Vowel length is important in Thai.
Your insistence on “Isan” encourages the persistence of ignorance.
The derivation of Isan from the Balinese Isen is positively Chris Beale like.
I would suggest perhaps Khmer (eisaan) < Sanskrit (isaan).
(My apologies in advance for the lack of equally important tone diacritics, my computer doesn't support them.)
“Thailand want р╕вр╕╕р╕Ър╕кр╕ар╕▓”: Red signs in English
anon wrote: “ц░Сф╕╗ф╕╗ч╛й means ‘democracy’. Not sure if am reading too much into this, but the last character indicates that it was written by someone who learnt the traditional Chinese script e.g. older generation Thai Teochew Chinese who still use this script incl for their shop/business signboards.” The same traditional characters are used in Japan and Taiwan- this sign could be directed toward the Japanese media, which the local variety I’ve noticed still unfailingly refers to the reds first as “Thaksin supporters.”
Racial discrimination: Unofficial sources
Thanks Neptunian and AE Wales,
Yes, it is easy to see the discrimination – but the scale and methods used, are astounding. More importantly, and the reason for this article – how do we assess the facts presented.
While Indonesia and Thailand have used very crude methods to address the “Chinese problem”, it appears that Malaysia has a more sophisticated and subtle way of achieving the same ends.
I’m making a standing appeal to anyone who has documentation of racial discrimination in Malaysia (such as administrative guides, politicians’ speeches, etc) to send me a copy. I would be most grateful ([email protected]).
p.s. Neptunian, you sure there’s no way of getting these documents to Nich or Andrew. As academicians and Australians – they would be out of Kamunting’s reach.
Bangkok or bust, Part 1
Nick,
I like that photos about the interrogation of armed MP Corporal. That man had not a bruise on him. Thais are definitely more civilized than Burmese. In a comparable situation in Burma he would be slaughtered by the protesting crowd within a few minutes of his capture.
Oranuch on sufficiency economy
….rather than Thailand being an example of a “Sufficiency Economy”, it is probably more accurate to describe the Thailand economy as a “Desire Economy” per the Dr. Saul analysis linked below:
http://bit.ly/aCHG2T
“Thailand want р╕вр╕╕р╕Ър╕кр╕ар╕▓”: Red signs in English
The sign with Jewish symbols says “Bangkok Noi Red-shirts”. I wonder… I know an Israeli expat who lives in Bangkok noi and is fluent in Thai.
Bangkok or bust, Part 1
“George Jetson”:
If you want dispassionate – go to wire reports, or straight to the (so far almost non-existant) academic studies. I come from the lost art of reportage, and that is by nature passionate. Read the great reportages of a long time past when magazines and newspapers still had space for articles that afforded the attention span of more than a few minutes.
If you want biased – go to the Red Shirt’s own media. I am not one of them. There is a huge difference between “bias” and “sympathetic” (the use of a dictionary might help to understand my point).
I am tired of repeating the same all over again, i have numerous times stated where my sympathies are (ordinary and marginalized people, equal rights and opportunities, etc…).
You don’t like that – then don’t read my articles, because you won’t get anything else. Simple as that.
Bangkok or bust, Part 1
George Jetson – 48
Can you point out which part of Nick’s writing that said he’s being bias?
Oranuch on sufficiency economy
Rather surprising that an academic journal can accept an article extolling a “theory” when the proposer of that theory, Bhumibol, is protected from any criticism whatsoever on pain of a 15 year jail sentence.
At the very least, the journal article should have included a disclaimer to that effect.
It is simply not possible in Thailand to say, for example, that the “sufficiency theory” is a vacuous piece of propaganda whose sole purpose is a public relations exercise for the monarchy, that its effect (if any) on rural development has been negative, and that in total contrast to the claims of the theory, the king has in fact enriched himself and his family over the last half century by establishing a political dictatorship – and stay out of gaol.
So if the Journal of Human Resource Development International wants to lend academic credibility to the propaganda of third world despots then perhaps in future issues it can enlighten us with other theories of development, proposed by, say, Kim Jong Il, Than Shwe and other assorted dictators in the developing world.
If “sufficiency economy” is to be taken seriously as a theory of development then first lift the lese majeste law and let the “philosopher” Bhumibol be exposed to the same criticism as all other academics are.
The lese majeste circus continues
Counter-filing is now a must, period. Anyone can counter-file, with at least a minimum of reason. If you think you are being falsely alleged and the allegations are being stretched beyond the breaking point, file criminal code sections 137, 172 and 179 with the police first. Don’t let junior staff tell you that filing is not possible. Even someone at the Public Prosecutor’s office wrongly told me I could not do this. But talks with senior police AND overview of the criminal code and criminal procedures code reveals that such counter-filing is not just possible but a minimal response.
In the case of Laksana, Khan and Wattanasak, they left themselves open to over a dozen charges, and police left themselves open, because the publicly-declared charges were alleged as fact and from police stations. All three should be counter-charged with any or all of the some dozen applicable criminal code sections. Need info? Write to [email protected] for info.
Racial discrimination: Unofficial sources
“Umno leaders are also fully aware that much of the new wealth in the country is in Malay hands. These sources of wealth include the plantation sector which is dominated by Felda and PNB companies; the smallholding agricultural sector where the Malays are the major group amongst the 112,635 Felda settlers; the hi-tech aerospace industry; the highly lucrative defense industry; the petroleum and gas industry where apart from Petronas and MMC, the Malays have substantial holdings in key MNCs such as Shell, Exxon, BP; the finance and banking sector where eight out of 10 banks are Bumiputera- owned and controlled; the automotive sector where Malay interests are dominant in Proton, Perodua, DRB Hicom, UMW and Naza, and where the system of APs ensures a steady stream of income for select Bumiputeras; as well as the energy and utilities sector where TNB and Malakoff are key players; and so on.”
Above – Extracted from Malaysian Insider
hai greg, It’s not so hard to get the documents, but would have the SB on my tail immediately. Do not fancy a stint in Kemunting – heard the food is really bad there.
“…due to the sensitive nature…”
I am afraid that due to my sensitive nature, I wanna see this movie! Probably will get a copy in the near future and will send it to NM for its judgment.
Boy, talk about censorship. This is exactly the thing that we must fight against, not fight alongside. Or am I missing something?
Oranuch on sufficiency economy
As long as we still have the Lese Majeste law, its really hard to say how suitable the sufficiency economy is playing out, as the people who do the study can say anything bad about the royal project.
Are you kidding me?
BKK lawyer#52 – Now comes the plaintiff, pro se, requesting the court of public opinion in the above entitled matter for an Order of Summary Judgment.
Of course I am saying it cannot be Isaan, but not solely based on the word singled-out by BKK Lawyer Esq. as the sum total of his or her arguement. Can you be stopped from writing Isaan? Of course not. Certain American parents for years have invented names for their kids and put spellings on birth certificates that defy literacy and linguistic convention. It is one thing to be illiterate; quite another to advertise it on the heads of your children. Some argue that names shape lives, but that is for another thread.
As for Roman transliteration, how far do you go? Roman numerals are cumbersome and the original Roman alphabet is absent the letters J and U. I guess you could write ?don Thani. Now I am being facetious, of course, but my position is one of practicality, being the representation of Thai words in English, which is the language of global commerce and travel. To base English language representations on Thai conventions might make sense if the English language representations were for Thai people, but the whole idea is to create words that allow non-Thais to communicate and locate.
If you try to apply Thai conventions to the English language, how far do you go? Areyousuggestingthatsnospacesseparatewords?
Isan is derived from the Balinese word (Isen) for Laos, part of which was annexed by Thailand during WWII.
“Laos traces its formal history (also see Early History of Laos) to the establishment of the Kingdom of Lan Xang (literally, “million elephants”) by King Fa Ngum in 1353. Under his rule, the wealthy and mighty kingdom covered the northeast region of present-day Thailand (Isan), all of Laos and present-day Stung Treng province of Cambodia.” [Wikipedia]
So, should both Thai and English transliterations be based on Balinese conventions? Or, would you go back to Indian language conventions from which Balinese is derived?
Oranuch on sufficiency economy
My problem with SE philosophy is that it seems to be used for practical purposes to keep people (“the masses”) in their place by denouncing excess, waste and materialism. At the same time, the proponents of SE (the elite, bureaucrats, politicians, businessmen, etc) have displayed massive wealth which can only be accumulated from greed, corruption and conflicts of interest.
Similarly, a complete lack of transparency and accountability on government and military spending doesn’t appear to match with SE theory – but for some reason that’s okay.