So it’s ok if I said yesterday I saw a girl at ANU had three guys came to her house at different time. She must be a protitute. And it’s ok if I actually state her name and post it on a public website. Freedom of Speech?
Freedome of speech doesn’t mean that you can deflame anyone without any proof.
You can believe in anything you want. But you can’t deflame any one based on your believe.
Yes change is need for Siam. But not the way you’re trying to do. Sorry.
Majority of Thais want economic democracy and political democracy. Let’s stick to the issues, freedom of speech, and equal distribution of wealth.
Phumipon has so many things that he does not want others to talk about i.e. his brother’s death, monarchy network, pulling strings behind the scene, personal wealth, divide and rule strategy, etc.
Using lese majeste law to shut the whole country up is not an acceptable norms. It violates universal human rights.
Change is happening.. democratic society is what majority of Thais want. Democratization is coming to Siam. One family, Phumipon’s family, controls legislative, administrative, and judicial, is an absolute grip of power. Phumipon is above the law and above the constitution. It is a dangerous form of governance. When there is no checks and balances, it corrupts absolutely and it hinders progress.
“Thaksin’s opponents frequently identify themselves with the monarchy and claim the former prime minister disrespected the throne, which has badly polarized the nation.”
hmmm… there are two ways to interpret this sentence… one of which carries a heavy jail sentence…
Than Shwe will eventually end up like Ne Win no matter what. His corpse will be burned like a mongrel dog like Ne Win and ashes thrown away like Ne Win. History never treats dictators with kindness.
Khin Nyunt knew very well the fact that every spy chief or intelligence chief working for a dictator will eventually face the gun barrels turning against him.
His predecessors, Chit Khin and Tin Oo were easily removed once Ne Win’s position was threatened. They didn’t have the backing of a substantial force like army chief Kyaw Htin had then and now Maung Aye has.
So Khin Nyunt even tried to establish his own armed divisions disguised as Border Patrol Forces directly under the Directorate of Military Intelligence, but Than Shwe foresaw his moves and cut him down with the help of Maung Aye’s troops well before Khin Nyunt had his forces well established.
In principle, the university of Goettingen has an excellent reputation. Only recently this received a blow, when publications submitted for receiving funding did not exist.
Jotman // Oct 19, 2009 at 7:28 pm
In Thailand today there are security professionals whose job is to figure ways to silence and discredit people like Suzie.
Any proof?
And seriously discredit people like Susie wong? What credit does she have to be discredited?
Something for people attacking Suzie Wong to think about:
Thailand is arguably the most closely connected, most important, most similar ASEAN country to Burma. If someone attempts to draw an analogies between the military of Thailand with that of Burma, it seems to me that this could be quite relevant to the topic at hand. After all, from 2006-2007 Thailand was itself ruled by a military-backed government. In fact, the Thai coup leader expressed strong support for Burma’s generals in the wake of the 2007 crackdown against the monks.
Anyone, such as Suzie, who chooses to explore such comparisons is bound to touch on questions that are considered “out of bounds” for most Thai academics and Thai journalists and Thai bloggers.
In Thailand today there are security professionals whose job is to figure ways to silence and discredit people like Suzie. They get paid for it. They have the means at their disposal to close down websites, threaten charges, imprison people for years. What I’m trying to say is that Thailand’s competent law-enforcement professionals do not really need your help.
However, I suspect — like their counterparts in Naypyidaw and Beijing — they welcome it.
Michael: “cheap polemics and point scoring” is what I consider Sondhi Lim & his cronies to be about epsceially given his record of generating so much fiction over the past four years…
[Nick] “real” politics is precisely about representation and reaching some kind of consensus; I cannot see any indication in the confused rantings of Sondhi Lim to indicate anything close to an “ideology”?
It’s a “real” political party meaning they can finally get a “real” sense of their own lack of popularity when it’s put to a “real” vote. I for one look forward to NPP spinning their election losses, instead of having to watch them spout delusions on TV about representing some phantom majority of “real” Thais.
“Real” can hardly refer to a platform in Thailand. All parties here are just business consortiums. Thaksin managed the first monopoly, and the coup was the Thai version of anti-trust legislation.
Scholarship in this context requires careful reading (e.g., of quotation marks and their meaning) and some understanding of the comparative (both contemporary and historical) literature on political party development. Cheap polemic and point-scoring don’t help.
It seems the only difference between Burma and Thailand is the freedom of commerce and trade in Thai system. Apart from that both countries appear to be under the perpetual martial law together for a very very long time now.
Burma under a shameless and guiltless military dictatorship, Thailand under the revolving rows of generals behind a benevolent lifetime-dictator in the disguise of a constitutional monarch.
Since two cultures are very similar and their religion same, they should form the United States of Thailand and Burma, USTB in short, very dangerous and seriously cancerous, ha ha.
Susie, are you nuts? You have any proof for what you just said here?
First of all, this topic is about Myanma. Nothing to do with Thailand at all. You must be a real crazy, you woman, all in your head just thinking and plotting to destroy Thailand’s monarchy. In every word every sentence came out of your mouth in this forum is the proof of it.
Secondly, calling the king just by his name like that, it’s not gonna help you finding any alliance here.
The King himself did so many damn things during his life. give him some respect. What have you done to the country? what a tool.
“Real”, i guess, in the sense of a party that is based on some sort of political ideology (even though it may be rather confuse in the details) – of which there is very little to see in any of the established parties. Even TRT, which was the first party that campaigned on a strong policy platform, was a conglomerate of many different vested interests, incorporating leftist ideologies, rightist ideologies, and pure economical aims, including old provincial power networks. PTP now, after two rounds of bans, is left with at best second rate politicians, in which dinosaurs like Chavalit, who fit no real political conviction other than shady elite conflicts and military networks, are able to play their games.
The Democrats, comparable to a strongly conservative party, have very little of what in more developed democracies could be seen as political ideological background.
The TIME magazine seems to have changed its tone over Than Shwe, I wonder if this is because the Obama administration is changing its stance towards engaging with the regime.
Than Shwe like his mentor before him, have their first priorities as self-preservation, nothing else matters, they have never left any stones unturned in their single pursuit of prolonging their hold onto power.
Than Shwe, is cruel, tyrannical, ruthless, unpredictable, more cunning than his master before him, whom he had meticulously deposed from all power and influence. He had stopped at nothing, young innocent students, monks, perhaps even his own family if they threaten him from losing power. It is interesting to watch how both dictators Ne Win and Than Shwe think and work where it comes to people who had the potential of harming them — their Intelligence Chiefs. Although there are similarities between how Ne Win disposed of his Military Intelligence (MI) Chief, Tin Oo and how Than Shwe disposed of his MI Chief Khin Nyunt, Than Shwe is at pains to ensure the same fate he meted out for Ne Win does not befall him.
In answer to N Farrelly,s : “…..if Than Shwe was removed from the equation what would change?”, it would depend on who will be taking over the reins, Than Shwe is most likely to make sure whoever takes over will not have the power to render him powerless. The answer is as enigmatic and opaque as the reclusive dictator.
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Thongchai on Thailand’s transition
phew….. protected by a comma….
but does a policeman know how to translate punctuation into Thai?
Can Southeast Asia’s royals survive?
Sorry about my misspelling.
Anyway, here is something I have found on the internet. There are some options in there telling you how to write a story without defame anyone.
http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/dissent/documents/defamation.html
Can Southeast Asia’s royals survive?
Ahh.. freedom of speech, huh?
So it’s ok if I said yesterday I saw a girl at ANU had three guys came to her house at different time. She must be a protitute. And it’s ok if I actually state her name and post it on a public website. Freedom of Speech?
Freedome of speech doesn’t mean that you can deflame anyone without any proof.
You can believe in anything you want. But you can’t deflame any one based on your believe.
Yes change is need for Siam. But not the way you’re trying to do. Sorry.
Can Southeast Asia’s royals survive?
Majority of Thais want economic democracy and political democracy. Let’s stick to the issues, freedom of speech, and equal distribution of wealth.
Phumipon has so many things that he does not want others to talk about i.e. his brother’s death, monarchy network, pulling strings behind the scene, personal wealth, divide and rule strategy, etc.
Using lese majeste law to shut the whole country up is not an acceptable norms. It violates universal human rights.
Change is happening.. democratic society is what majority of Thais want. Democratization is coming to Siam. One family, Phumipon’s family, controls legislative, administrative, and judicial, is an absolute grip of power. Phumipon is above the law and above the constitution. It is a dangerous form of governance. When there is no checks and balances, it corrupts absolutely and it hinders progress.
Thongchai on Thailand’s transition
“Thaksin’s opponents frequently identify themselves with the monarchy and claim the former prime minister disrespected the throne, which has badly polarized the nation.”
hmmm… there are two ways to interpret this sentence… one of which carries a heavy jail sentence…
One man to rule them all
Bamar,
Than Shwe will eventually end up like Ne Win no matter what. His corpse will be burned like a mongrel dog like Ne Win and ashes thrown away like Ne Win. History never treats dictators with kindness.
Khin Nyunt knew very well the fact that every spy chief or intelligence chief working for a dictator will eventually face the gun barrels turning against him.
His predecessors, Chit Khin and Tin Oo were easily removed once Ne Win’s position was threatened. They didn’t have the backing of a substantial force like army chief Kyaw Htin had then and now Maung Aye has.
So Khin Nyunt even tried to establish his own armed divisions disguised as Border Patrol Forces directly under the Directorate of Military Intelligence, but Than Shwe foresaw his moves and cut him down with the help of Maung Aye’s troops well before Khin Nyunt had his forces well established.
Professor Dr. Her Royal Highness Princess Chulabhorn Mahidol
In principle, the university of Goettingen has an excellent reputation. Only recently this received a blow, when publications submitted for receiving funding did not exist.
One man to rule them all
Jotman // Oct 19, 2009 at 7:28 pm
In Thailand today there are security professionals whose job is to figure ways to silence and discredit people like Suzie.
Any proof?
And seriously discredit people like Susie wong? What credit does she have to be discredited?
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
McCargo, some years ago in the edited collection Political Change in Thailand had some comments on the search for a real political party in Thailand.
One man to rule them all
Something for people attacking Suzie Wong to think about:
Thailand is arguably the most closely connected, most important, most similar ASEAN country to Burma. If someone attempts to draw an analogies between the military of Thailand with that of Burma, it seems to me that this could be quite relevant to the topic at hand. After all, from 2006-2007 Thailand was itself ruled by a military-backed government. In fact, the Thai coup leader expressed strong support for Burma’s generals in the wake of the 2007 crackdown against the monks.
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2007/09/thailands-leader-speaks-out-in-support.html
Anyone, such as Suzie, who chooses to explore such comparisons is bound to touch on questions that are considered “out of bounds” for most Thai academics and Thai journalists and Thai bloggers.
In Thailand today there are security professionals whose job is to figure ways to silence and discredit people like Suzie. They get paid for it. They have the means at their disposal to close down websites, threaten charges, imprison people for years. What I’m trying to say is that Thailand’s competent law-enforcement professionals do not really need your help.
However, I suspect — like their counterparts in Naypyidaw and Beijing — they welcome it.
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
Michael: “cheap polemics and point scoring” is what I consider Sondhi Lim & his cronies to be about epsceially given his record of generating so much fiction over the past four years…
[Nick] “real” politics is precisely about representation and reaching some kind of consensus; I cannot see any indication in the confused rantings of Sondhi Lim to indicate anything close to an “ideology”?
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
It’s a “real” political party meaning they can finally get a “real” sense of their own lack of popularity when it’s put to a “real” vote. I for one look forward to NPP spinning their election losses, instead of having to watch them spout delusions on TV about representing some phantom majority of “real” Thais.
“Real” can hardly refer to a platform in Thailand. All parties here are just business consortiums. Thaksin managed the first monopoly, and the coup was the Thai version of anti-trust legislation.
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
Jim:
Scholarship in this context requires careful reading (e.g., of quotation marks and their meaning) and some understanding of the comparative (both contemporary and historical) literature on political party development. Cheap polemic and point-scoring don’t help.
One man to rule them all
Susie,
It seems the only difference between Burma and Thailand is the freedom of commerce and trade in Thai system. Apart from that both countries appear to be under the perpetual martial law together for a very very long time now.
Burma under a shameless and guiltless military dictatorship, Thailand under the revolving rows of generals behind a benevolent lifetime-dictator in the disguise of a constitutional monarch.
Since two cultures are very similar and their religion same, they should form the United States of Thailand and Burma, USTB in short, very dangerous and seriously cancerous, ha ha.
One man to rule them all
Susie, are you nuts? You have any proof for what you just said here?
First of all, this topic is about Myanma. Nothing to do with Thailand at all. You must be a real crazy, you woman, all in your head just thinking and plotting to destroy Thailand’s monarchy. In every word every sentence came out of your mouth in this forum is the proof of it.
Secondly, calling the king just by his name like that, it’s not gonna help you finding any alliance here.
The King himself did so many damn things during his life. give him some respect. What have you done to the country? what a tool.
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
“Jim Taylor”:
“Real”, i guess, in the sense of a party that is based on some sort of political ideology (even though it may be rather confuse in the details) – of which there is very little to see in any of the established parties. Even TRT, which was the first party that campaigned on a strong policy platform, was a conglomerate of many different vested interests, incorporating leftist ideologies, rightist ideologies, and pure economical aims, including old provincial power networks. PTP now, after two rounds of bans, is left with at best second rate politicians, in which dinosaurs like Chavalit, who fit no real political conviction other than shady elite conflicts and military networks, are able to play their games.
The Democrats, comparable to a strongly conservative party, have very little of what in more developed democracies could be seen as political ideological background.
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
A “real” political party? so other popularly elected parties are or wre not “real”? Scholarship requires penetrating behind the rhetoric Michael.
Professor Dr. Her Royal Highness Princess Chulabhorn Mahidol
no question about it. just another example of a conspiracy between the establishments. it’s much more about politics than a scientific achievement.
Sondhi Limthongkul takes the helm of the New Politics Party
The green color reminds me of the HAMAS. The party’s symbol looks alike the NAZI’s symbol.
One man to rule them all
The TIME magazine seems to have changed its tone over Than Shwe, I wonder if this is because the Obama administration is changing its stance towards engaging with the regime.
Than Shwe like his mentor before him, have their first priorities as self-preservation, nothing else matters, they have never left any stones unturned in their single pursuit of prolonging their hold onto power.
Than Shwe, is cruel, tyrannical, ruthless, unpredictable, more cunning than his master before him, whom he had meticulously deposed from all power and influence. He had stopped at nothing, young innocent students, monks, perhaps even his own family if they threaten him from losing power. It is interesting to watch how both dictators Ne Win and Than Shwe think and work where it comes to people who had the potential of harming them — their Intelligence Chiefs. Although there are similarities between how Ne Win disposed of his Military Intelligence (MI) Chief, Tin Oo and how Than Shwe disposed of his MI Chief Khin Nyunt, Than Shwe is at pains to ensure the same fate he meted out for Ne Win does not befall him.
In answer to N Farrelly,s : “…..if Than Shwe was removed from the equation what would change?”, it would depend on who will be taking over the reins, Than Shwe is most likely to make sure whoever takes over will not have the power to render him powerless. The answer is as enigmatic and opaque as the reclusive dictator.