Peter Cohen – I don’t know why you felt the need to bring the ME into comments about this fascinating SEA topic, but since you have I would like to point out that ‘that other nation’ only allows those with a mythical Biblical claim to the land the right of return. ‘That other nation’ absolutely refuses to allow the right of return for those who were born there and were displaced during the establishment of ‘that other nation.’
Back to the topic at hand, I have always wondered about those who fled into the forest during that period and eagerly await purchasing and reading this book.
All the European nations you mention have entrenched elites that are inherently racist. Their racism is combined with equally entrenched class distinctions.
Although post-colonial immigration has been an overwhelming success, a small minority of immigrants refuse to integrate or adopt European laws and values. This creates enormous social tension. In short, it’s a bit of a mess. So Myanmar should definitely not ‘follow thus’.
Isn’t the mere size of economic output in Southeast Asia justification enough for engaging? Why does Washington need to create added justification for launching economic policy in the region? I think the TPP is a huge part of the economic component of the US Rebalance. Whether it passes in the US Congress is uncertain, but Washington clearly realizes the stakes of economic participation in Southeast Asia’s trade architecture and wants to be a part of it. I’m not sure lowering barriers for outside investors is practical, given that some small countries like Myanmar are already VERY worried about large multinationals rushing in and causing them to lose out. I think Japan currently dominates the infrastructure investment game in the region, and the US can work with small and medium-sized enterprises to build capacity at the local level without displacing local business. Ultimately, the question of what justifies the US Rebalance is kind of a no-brainer. I think Washington is just behind the game in shaping policy, whereas Beijing has shown a lot more initiative. Then again, it’s raw economic competition, and a modern-day domino theory does not apply. Southeast Asian nations aren’t simply going to fall to China.
I would recommend that Kohl have a look into the history of German-born Turks. I’m pretty sure Napoleon was dead and dusted long before children born to Turks in Germany were granted citizenship.
The notion that Myanmar should follow the European model is more than a little ridiculous.
The ethnic homogeneity of European countries ever since the great ethnic cleansing that Hitler and Stalin “gifted” to Europeans is perhaps the defining feature of modern European liberal nationalism.
Now that that homogeneity is being fractured, we are seeing how ethnicity really plays out in Germany and especially France. And we are seeing just how fragile that liberal nationalism is under a little stress.
Best try to contain that particular example rather than spread it any further.
In France you are French when you are Born in France. In Germany you are German when you are Born in Germany. In Italy, Spain, Portugal you are Italian Spanish and Portugese when you are Born there. No mater where your parents are from. No matter when your Grand parent are Born in Africa. Myanmar should follow thus. This is a result of Napoleon.
Another historical factoid about the Burmese matchbox –
She (Ludu Daw Amar) also translated The Rainbow (သက်á€á€¶á€›á€±á€¬á€„်, Thettant yaung) by the Czechoslovak writer Wanda Wasilewska in 1945, printed on blue matchbox wrapping paper, the only kind of paper available at the time.[5]
Basicall, you want the US to do to Asean, what it has done to the Middle East..Arm a whole bunch of people, break their economy by making them spend on arms instead of civilian infrastructure, maintain dictators who are “US friendly”
Call military rulers who overthrow elected govt “democratic”
It is all geopolitical self interest. US has lost its “moral high ground” years ago..
Children have been raped and murdered. The entire focus of this article is the “offenders” and how they must NOT receive harsh punishment.
QUOTE:- Sentencing the perpetrators of sexual abuse with a physical castration potentially violates their right to marry and found a family under article 23 of the ICCPR. Once the testes are cut, there will be no hope for having a harmonious family with children. END QUOTE.
The child that was raped and murdered also has no hope of “a harmonious family with children”….
Further I echo what Peter Cohen says about FGM.. A horrific, mindless, punishment of the innocent…..
Secondly, debating of what issue is more important is a waste of time. FGM is indeed a big problem. So is rape and sexual violence. Can’t we deal with both?
I always feel US should step in to help the smaller ASEAN to defend their rights
US should do the right thing
1 Stay in the SCS as a marshall
2 Strengthen ASEAN armed forces
3 Train regularly with ASEAN armies
4 Sell uptodate weaponery to ASEAN
5 Help lay terms for wealth sharing within SCS
6 Help lay terms to keep costs of maintaining SCS resources and infractures healthy
And be a Peace Maker should nasty physical events happen even with commercial sailors and fishermen
The far greater issue is FMG, Female Genital Mutilation, allowed in Sunni Shaf’i Islam, and in fact practiced from Morocco to Indonesia, especially in the Gulf (Wahhabi and Salafi Islam), Muslim Africa, and elsewhere. Castration has serious moral implications, FMG has serious medical, moral, gender, and human rights implications. In Indonesia and Malaysia, like elsewhere, it’s the cart before the horse. One can do anything they want and later justify it as compliant with Shari’a Law. Castration must be banned in Indonesia, but even more the impact of increasing Islamism, Arabism, Shari’a zealotry and misogyny is reprehensible. The practice of FMG must be outlawed, and since the UN is useless, in the case of Indonesia, President Jokowi is the one to outlaw it, not just to be bold but to treat Indonesian women equitably and respect. As this is very unlikely anywhere else among the Ummah, except perhaps Turkey and Kazakhstan (and it is forbidden in Israel and India among Muslims), perhaps now Indonesia and Jokowi can lead the way ?
Washington’s purpose is to divide ASEAN to create an anti-Chinese bloc to encircle Beijing, to threaten China’s sea lanes in SCS, to foster terrorism in Xinjiang and to advance the military “Asia Pivot” as well as the TPP that deliberately excludes China.
I respect what R.N.England has to say – he, of course, is a regular contributer.
Having said that I do not agree that NM is an “example” of freedom of expression.
I am a reader and (was) an occasional contributor on this site. The recent heavy hand of censorship of two recent posts means I need to look elsewhere to have “my” say.
I do have my “uncensored” say in one Indonesian newspaper. Who, unlike NM have never censored my input. I believe my input is ALWAYS polite and I NEVER attack the writer (personally). I do however, (on occasion) vigorously defend OR decry the writers premise/expansion/conclusion.
It saddens me that I cannot use my real name, because, I stand by my opinion. The country I live in hunts those that disagree with their regime. I want to spend my life outside of a prison cell and I do not want to disappear, like so many others here.
By far the best known matchbox was bottom second from left – the angel brand nat thamee daseik in Burmese. Why? It became the slang for prostitute as the claim in Burmese (top left) says udu thone bar khan thi which means “withstands the ravages of the three seasons” but khan can also mean in a pun “on her back (all three seasons)”.
Indonesia is not the only country in which control of the media by big capital and its journalist flunkies has crippled democracy. It happens everywhere private income matters more to people than their public duty to tell the truth.
The internet has provided an escape from this tyranny by lowering the cost of mass communication to almost zero. The many high-quality blogs, and web sites like New Mandala are examples of the new freedom of expression.
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Ghosts in the forest
Peter Cohen – I don’t know why you felt the need to bring the ME into comments about this fascinating SEA topic, but since you have I would like to point out that ‘that other nation’ only allows those with a mythical Biblical claim to the land the right of return. ‘That other nation’ absolutely refuses to allow the right of return for those who were born there and were displaced during the establishment of ‘that other nation.’
Back to the topic at hand, I have always wondered about those who fled into the forest during that period and eagerly await purchasing and reading this book.
Should ethnicity be reconsidered?
All the European nations you mention have entrenched elites that are inherently racist. Their racism is combined with equally entrenched class distinctions.
Although post-colonial immigration has been an overwhelming success, a small minority of immigrants refuse to integrate or adopt European laws and values. This creates enormous social tension. In short, it’s a bit of a mess. So Myanmar should definitely not ‘follow thus’.
Banharn and Suphan: the end of an era
Great pictures !
Although the legend under the flowers for Banhan Sinlapa-acha is wrong : the red wreath is from Thaksin, the other one from Yinglack.
Washington’s pivot to Southeast Asia
Isn’t the mere size of economic output in Southeast Asia justification enough for engaging? Why does Washington need to create added justification for launching economic policy in the region? I think the TPP is a huge part of the economic component of the US Rebalance. Whether it passes in the US Congress is uncertain, but Washington clearly realizes the stakes of economic participation in Southeast Asia’s trade architecture and wants to be a part of it. I’m not sure lowering barriers for outside investors is practical, given that some small countries like Myanmar are already VERY worried about large multinationals rushing in and causing them to lose out. I think Japan currently dominates the infrastructure investment game in the region, and the US can work with small and medium-sized enterprises to build capacity at the local level without displacing local business. Ultimately, the question of what justifies the US Rebalance is kind of a no-brainer. I think Washington is just behind the game in shaping policy, whereas Beijing has shown a lot more initiative. Then again, it’s raw economic competition, and a modern-day domino theory does not apply. Southeast Asian nations aren’t simply going to fall to China.
Should ethnicity be reconsidered?
I would recommend that Kohl have a look into the history of German-born Turks. I’m pretty sure Napoleon was dead and dusted long before children born to Turks in Germany were granted citizenship.
The notion that Myanmar should follow the European model is more than a little ridiculous.
The ethnic homogeneity of European countries ever since the great ethnic cleansing that Hitler and Stalin “gifted” to Europeans is perhaps the defining feature of modern European liberal nationalism.
Now that that homogeneity is being fractured, we are seeing how ethnicity really plays out in Germany and especially France. And we are seeing just how fragile that liberal nationalism is under a little stress.
Best try to contain that particular example rather than spread it any further.
Banharn and Suphan: the end of an era
Sehr schoen! Very nice!
Should ethnicity be reconsidered?
In France you are French when you are Born in France. In Germany you are German when you are Born in Germany. In Italy, Spain, Portugal you are Italian Spanish and Portugese when you are Born there. No mater where your parents are from. No matter when your Grand parent are Born in Africa. Myanmar should follow thus. This is a result of Napoleon.
Colonial Burma, history and phillumeny
Sorry, here’s the link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludu_Daw_Amar#Wartime_Kyipwa_Yay
Colonial Burma, history and phillumeny
Another historical factoid about the Burmese matchbox –
Washington’s pivot to Southeast Asia
Most ASEAN countries are wise to realize that Southeast Asia is only a geopolitical concept to the US but a geographical reality to them and China.
Washington’s pivot to Southeast Asia
Basicall, you want the US to do to Asean, what it has done to the Middle East..Arm a whole bunch of people, break their economy by making them spend on arms instead of civilian infrastructure, maintain dictators who are “US friendly”
Call military rulers who overthrow elected govt “democratic”
It is all geopolitical self interest. US has lost its “moral high ground” years ago..
The cost of castration in Indonesia
Children have been raped and murdered. The entire focus of this article is the “offenders” and how they must NOT receive harsh punishment.
QUOTE:- Sentencing the perpetrators of sexual abuse with a physical castration potentially violates their right to marry and found a family under article 23 of the ICCPR. Once the testes are cut, there will be no hope for having a harmonious family with children. END QUOTE.
The child that was raped and murdered also has no hope of “a harmonious family with children”….
Further I echo what Peter Cohen says about FGM.. A horrific, mindless, punishment of the innocent…..
The cost of castration in Indonesia
First of all, it’s FGM, not FMG.
Secondly, debating of what issue is more important is a waste of time. FGM is indeed a big problem. So is rape and sexual violence. Can’t we deal with both?
Washington’s pivot to Southeast Asia
> 27 May 2016
I always feel US should step in to help the smaller ASEAN to defend their rights
US should do the right thing
1 Stay in the SCS as a marshall
2 Strengthen ASEAN armed forces
3 Train regularly with ASEAN armies
4 Sell uptodate weaponery to ASEAN
5 Help lay terms for wealth sharing within SCS
6 Help lay terms to keep costs of maintaining SCS resources and infractures healthy
And be a Peace Maker should nasty physical events happen even with commercial sailors and fishermen
Let there be Peace and Prosperity in Asia
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The cost of castration in Indonesia
The far greater issue is FMG, Female Genital Mutilation, allowed in Sunni Shaf’i Islam, and in fact practiced from Morocco to Indonesia, especially in the Gulf (Wahhabi and Salafi Islam), Muslim Africa, and elsewhere. Castration has serious moral implications, FMG has serious medical, moral, gender, and human rights implications. In Indonesia and Malaysia, like elsewhere, it’s the cart before the horse. One can do anything they want and later justify it as compliant with Shari’a Law. Castration must be banned in Indonesia, but even more the impact of increasing Islamism, Arabism, Shari’a zealotry and misogyny is reprehensible. The practice of FMG must be outlawed, and since the UN is useless, in the case of Indonesia, President Jokowi is the one to outlaw it, not just to be bold but to treat Indonesian women equitably and respect. As this is very unlikely anywhere else among the Ummah, except perhaps Turkey and Kazakhstan (and it is forbidden in Israel and India among Muslims), perhaps now Indonesia and Jokowi can lead the way ?
Washington’s pivot to Southeast Asia
Washington’s purpose is to divide ASEAN to create an anti-Chinese bloc to encircle Beijing, to threaten China’s sea lanes in SCS, to foster terrorism in Xinjiang and to advance the military “Asia Pivot” as well as the TPP that deliberately excludes China.
A parasite in democracy
I respect what R.N.England has to say – he, of course, is a regular contributer.
Having said that I do not agree that NM is an “example” of freedom of expression.
I am a reader and (was) an occasional contributor on this site. The recent heavy hand of censorship of two recent posts means I need to look elsewhere to have “my” say.
I do have my “uncensored” say in one Indonesian newspaper. Who, unlike NM have never censored my input. I believe my input is ALWAYS polite and I NEVER attack the writer (personally). I do however, (on occasion) vigorously defend OR decry the writers premise/expansion/conclusion.
It saddens me that I cannot use my real name, because, I stand by my opinion. The country I live in hunts those that disagree with their regime. I want to spend my life outside of a prison cell and I do not want to disappear, like so many others here.
Colonial Burma, history and phillumeny
Nat thamee = prostitute
Colonial Burma, history and phillumeny
By far the best known matchbox was bottom second from left – the angel brand nat thamee daseik in Burmese. Why? It became the slang for prostitute as the claim in Burmese (top left) says udu thone bar khan thi which means “withstands the ravages of the three seasons” but khan can also mean in a pun “on her back (all three seasons)”.
A parasite in democracy
Indonesia is not the only country in which control of the media by big capital and its journalist flunkies has crippled democracy. It happens everywhere private income matters more to people than their public duty to tell the truth.
The internet has provided an escape from this tyranny by lowering the cost of mass communication to almost zero. The many high-quality blogs, and web sites like New Mandala are examples of the new freedom of expression.