Thanks for answering such a personal question. I admit that I did ask the wrong question. Sorry about that. In fact, I just want to know if you’re aware of the reason behind the amendment, regarding the senate issue. And, judging from you information, I’m quite certain that you know. So I will not go into details.
Let me tell you my opinion about this issue: I admit that “the amendment” is such a drawback, pulling me one step backwards from the real democracy. However, when we want to achieve something, don’t you think that we should do it slowly –step by step– and not overthrow it completely in just one act?
As for my last question, I totally agree with you. However, I asked that question in general sense, regardless of the current situation here.
And, as for the demands issue, I understand your point but still don’t understand why people cannot be true to oneself. If one wants real democracy, shouldn’t one just ask for real democracy. Why one has to build some tangible targets just to get people on one’s side. That sounds like bad karma to me.
And, lastly, you words: …listing democracy last doesn’t necessarily make it least…
Do you really believe in this? From your explanation, I’m sory to tell you that I’m still not buying it!
Thaksin’s sisters have left the country to go on “holiday” and for “personal business” various Thai news websites reported…Good timing indeed and I wonder if the Reds have literally become sacrificial lambs for the Shinawatra family. They are PMThaksin’s last roll of the dice and the whole clan will now hope to reap the benefits from the luxury of their repective locations…
And yes, PMAbhisit has declared a holiday for civil servants tomorrow…
@ralf #56
are you joking?
“…if you showed evidence of informed opinions in your posts
you might be taken seriously. You don’t do that.
I have no opinion on the content of your posts until you say something that makes sense and can be debated..”
you show nothing, we argue with reason
what more do you want?
ask a question ‘that makes sense’ and we can debate it!
Have you folks seen this story from Outside? Originally published in 2003, I think, although it covers Mark Jenkins’ efforts–all by himself–over several years.
In the beginning he seems pretty dumb for someone who has spent so much time climbing in the Himalayas (Is every Buddhist monk a lama? Just because an Ambassador has a 1950s body doesn’t mean the insides are that old, etc.), but hold on and by the time he gets to Myitkyina, he gets some wisdom:
“She tells me that since Myitkyina is now open to foreigners, tourists are coming. She believes someday there will be tourists on the Stilwell Road, and she wants them to know the truth. That it is not a road built by Americans. That was history. History is over. It’s a road built by the Kachins.”
His experience of Myitkyina reminds me of what Vietnam is still like if you get a little off the Lonely Planet conveyor belt: someone is always watching you, everyone knows where you are and where you’ve been.
@jason #41 & nganadeeleg #54
first, when you intervene on behalf of others,
be careful what you attack/defend/protect.
the quote in #54 from my post #36 does not contain any threat.
what threat? to whom?
we just did ‘quote’ that one will be ‘held to account’ for his deeds.
we would have said: ‘brought’ or ‘called’ to account.
and once again: “we” did not say this.
it was simply a quote of /reference to jason’s post #33 (and clearly stated as such!).
if YOU believe that to be a threat,
why do you critisize the reference but not jason & his original threat?
double standards? hypocrisy?
now to your dubious book with the strange title.
we couldn’t suppress a smile! or do YOU NEVER smile?
if somebody insists: YOU never smile, would you be pleased or upset?
please spare people books which so obviously contain lies even in their title.
who likes conspiracy theories? who likes mud-slinging?
apropos mud-slinging
that leads us to the great mud-slinger.
yes, we are talking about your leadership of mud-slingers.
this time not about lèse majesté as YOU try to change the subject.
it was solely about you trying to put thailand into a worse light than it deserves.
about corruption, about your dubious source, about wrong numbers.
what else but sheer hatred? was it just lack of knowledge?
lack of symphasy? lack of brains?
tell us your problem! we may absolve you, SIR…….
and we do hope so very much that we can return to the topic
and forget your ‘finger-pointing’
the main question remains:
who can decide on thai believes, constitution & laws?
the thais themselves or YOU?
Stephan: Your definition of ‘anonymous’, for which you cite the OED, is misleading, since it is far from the primary one, which is ‘not named, not identified.’ (This is not a quote from the OED, BTW. Its true, nevertheless.) It seems that you, who comment as “Stephan,” hardly an identifying name, are obsessed with insulting posters who do so anonymously. Isn’t that rather hypocritical?
You have also given the impression that you are Thai, and speaking on behalf of Thais. I doubt that this is true, because your rather poor English identifies you as a European, probably German (your name, as well as some of the language constructions you use, point to this.) Of course there’s nothing wrong with being a German, except when you mislead people, as stated in the first sentence of this paragraph.
BTW, you seem to have endless time to write your comments, and have virtually hijacked this thread, although all your posts seem to be written on behalf of Thais. This seems odd, since there are quite a few Thai contributors to NM, who seem quite capable of writing their own posts. Do you think they need you? A lot of them seem to have a much better concept of argument than you, who on the other hand show yourself to be simply argumentative. And most of them speak only on behalf of themselves, which seems fairly rational & balanced, good qualities in a debate.
Many non-Thai posters, probably most, either live here or spend quite a bit of time here, in answer to your comment about ISP addresses. Not that that confers any more rights on them than those who are simply interested in joining in a discussion of an absurd law which is not protecting anyone who it ostends to protect, but is functioning as an instrument of repression and causing enormous suffering to its alleged violators & their families, as well as everyone here who would like to participate in free discussion of history, society, national identity, and politics, just as people in other countries (including your own anonymous one, I would think) may do.
Just to erode your accusation of anonymity as far as I can safely go: I am Australian, I work in Thailand as an academic, my political position is ‘song mai ao’ (I really have very little respect for either position, based on what I have observed, but I don’t like the way the current government got in & I suspect that the PM is a ‘2-headed snake’), I don’t discuss Thai politics with my students (unethical), I observe the normal standards of respect required here in relation to the monarchy & I don’t have any desire to insult the King, &, as I have already stated, I regard the LM law as it is currently being used, as pathetically stupid, anachronistic, barbaric, a ‘front’ for keeping people under the thumb, & entirely in the worst interests of the development of Thailand. And I speak only on behalf of myself, I don’t use ‘we,’ as you habitually do.
I would also suggest that you do a little reading in the area of Thai history. Your tub-thumping statements re. constitutional ballots are incorrect.
The Abac Poll Research Centre’s latest survey revealed that almost two-thirds of the respondents were tired of politics and political protests.
54.8 per cent said they were strained because of the ongoing political tensions, while 74.0 per cent were fed up with politics.
70.8 per cent wanted political activist groups to stop creating unrest. 68.7 per cent wanted them to end their political movements for one person or a few of their associates.
66.3 per cent wanted political activist groups to use public members as their political tools.
74.6 per cent viewed that these groups should promote unity in the country instead. 73.7 per cent suggested that they should do good deeds for His Majesty the King.
72.4 per cent wanted them to help improve the well-being of people.
Anyways, Thailand will pop up on international news programs again. They best thing to anchor a message with the audience from a marketing stance: repetition, repetition, repetition. I doubt that the international crisis correspondents will fill the hotel rooms and what made up to 20% of Thai economy. Long live the struggle for Democracy!
р╕Чр╕╡р╣И Google puts р╕бр╕▒р╕Щ: р╕бр╕╕р╕бр╕бр╕нр╕Зр╣Гр╕лр╕бр╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕ар╕▓р╕Др╕Юр╕╖р╣Йр╕Щр╣Ар╕нр╣Ар╕Кр╕╡р╕вр╕Хр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕нр╕нр╕Бр╣Ар╕Йр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╣Гр╕Хр╣Й
>>>right, the red shirts are peaceful, except when they are smashing the windows of the PM’s car or intimidating the gays in Chiang Mai.<<<
Or when they are spitting and throwing water bottles at Thai television reporters for not lying about the size of their mob, physically attacking a Senator in Bangkok, or beating people unconscious in Udon Thani.
Having witnessed the PAD protests of early to mid 2006 and the Red Shirt protests of the last couple of days, they have drawn about the same numbers. About 100,000 people turned out on several occasions during 2006 anti-Thaksin demonstrations. So your statement that the Red Shirts have drawn larger crowds than the PAD had ever done is false.
Maybe PMAbhisit should declare tomorrow a holiday and live to fight after Songkran. I am afraid picking on Bangkok traffic may backfire grandly for the Reds. The angriest and ugliest Thais are those stuck behind the wheel in Bangkok traffic. For PMThaksin it is probably a deserved punishment for not voting for him anyway.
Ofcourse, buildings belonging to businesses and institution that has been against PMThaksin should also be prepared as they are rumours that they’ll be set on fire… I hope it is only a rumour, but it seems that the Reds are sufficiently radicalized to the extent that they are ready to attack news reporters that put their numbers in the 10,000s and not in the 100,000s…
What can save Bangkok this time? Or maybe the best we can do is just to let the Reds relieve their pent up hate on a few roads, cars, buildings?
Never really agreed with many of your comments before, but agree with you wholeheartedly this time round. I cannot understand the pro-pad type always clamoring for Thaksin’s and the “red” blood and totally ignoring the PAD crimes and immunity. In fact auto-immunity for anyone who’s backed by the elite-military complex.
The list is long as you say, but who cares. Pad types wear SF99 sunglasses
Susie Wong #3. “Rama V was during the absolute monarchy, no law was needed in regard to the monarchy.”
The first and all subsequent constitutions have reinforced the monarch’s inviolable status but lese majeste first became an offence in statutory law under the first Criminal Code of 1908 promulgated under King Rama V.
“By the time the team arrived at the death scene, all the evidences had already been altered.”
What alterations do you believe were made?
“Witnessing the death scene before the investigation was conducted, had made Sanya the most quiet prime minister Thailand ever had.”
I have been using Thai to English for the last month or so… its not very readable but gets the gist of the story
I read that they are using automatic means to generate their dictionaries and deduce the grammar… just by taking large quantities of matched pairs of documents
they also invite anyone to send in suggested better translations that they can add to their system
it is audacious and displaying the real power of massive computing
Xianity is not important in Thailand so why would mocking it be against the law? I hope you were joking about the photo being “shocking”. In addition, exactly who considers xianity to be “a revered institution”? This isn’t the 13th century. Perhaps you meant “a revolting institution”?
Stephan at 25: My point to you was that if you showed evidence of informed opinions in your posts you might be taken seriously. You don’t do that. I have no opinion on the content of your posts until you say something that makes sense and can be debated.
On the matter of “real democracy,” I think you agree that it’s a matter of definition, and that is another whole and long complicated debate.
On the three demands, yes, in an ideal world, the call for democracy should top the list. But to be strictly pragmatic about it, it is hard to rally people around a general concept — you want tangible targets. It’s an organizing gimmick. Anyway, listing democracy last doesn’t necessarily make it least. In some forms of rhetoric, you build up to your main point.
As for the senate — I’m not sure what is at issue here, and certainly don’t see what it has to do with me being Thai or not.
But since I am curious to see what you have to say, I will answer your question. I am not Thai. But if you are a recent college graduate or younger, I have lived in Thailand longer than you have. And I am old enough to remember what terrible things happened the last time the Thai establishment felt under threat. Anyone else there out there recall the morning-after shock of Socialist Party leader Boonsanong’s assassination? (And I cannot pass up the observation that justice was never done in his case, as in so many others of the era.)
I’m not quite sure what you are getting at in your last question, but I’d like to see equal justice under law (e.g., no de facto impunity for PAD and other anti-Thaksin types), an impartial and apolitical judiciary (does that really need any explanation?), no ex post facto laws, a responsible press (I can dream…), the army staying in its barracks… the list is quite long.
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amberwaves:
Thanks for answering such a personal question. I admit that I did ask the wrong question. Sorry about that. In fact, I just want to know if you’re aware of the reason behind the amendment, regarding the senate issue. And, judging from you information, I’m quite certain that you know. So I will not go into details.
Let me tell you my opinion about this issue: I admit that “the amendment” is such a drawback, pulling me one step backwards from the real democracy. However, when we want to achieve something, don’t you think that we should do it slowly –step by step– and not overthrow it completely in just one act?
As for my last question, I totally agree with you. However, I asked that question in general sense, regardless of the current situation here.
And, as for the demands issue, I understand your point but still don’t understand why people cannot be true to oneself. If one wants real democracy, shouldn’t one just ask for real democracy. Why one has to build some tangible targets just to get people on one’s side. That sounds like bad karma to me.
And, lastly, you words: …listing democracy last doesn’t necessarily make it least…
Do you really believe in this? From your explanation, I’m sory to tell you that I’m still not buying it!
Imagine the gridlock: Is this how it’s going to happen?
Thaksin’s sisters have left the country to go on “holiday” and for “personal business” various Thai news websites reported…Good timing indeed and I wonder if the Reds have literally become sacrificial lambs for the Shinawatra family. They are PMThaksin’s last roll of the dice and the whole clan will now hope to reap the benefits from the luxury of their repective locations…
And yes, PMAbhisit has declared a holiday for civil servants tomorrow…
On lèse majesté
@ralf #56
are you joking?
“…if you showed evidence of informed opinions in your posts
you might be taken seriously. You don’t do that.
I have no opinion on the content of your posts until you say something that makes sense and can be debated..”
you show nothing, we argue with reason
what more do you want?
ask a question ‘that makes sense’ and we can debate it!
The Stilwell Road
Have you folks seen this story from Outside? Originally published in 2003, I think, although it covers Mark Jenkins’ efforts–all by himself–over several years.
http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200310/200310_burma_1.html
In the beginning he seems pretty dumb for someone who has spent so much time climbing in the Himalayas (Is every Buddhist monk a lama? Just because an Ambassador has a 1950s body doesn’t mean the insides are that old, etc.), but hold on and by the time he gets to Myitkyina, he gets some wisdom:
“She tells me that since Myitkyina is now open to foreigners, tourists are coming. She believes someday there will be tourists on the Stilwell Road, and she wants them to know the truth. That it is not a road built by Americans. That was history. History is over. It’s a road built by the Kachins.”
His experience of Myitkyina reminds me of what Vietnam is still like if you get a little off the Lonely Planet conveyor belt: someone is always watching you, everyone knows where you are and where you’ve been.
On lèse majesté
@jason #41 & nganadeeleg #54
first, when you intervene on behalf of others,
be careful what you attack/defend/protect.
the quote in #54 from my post #36 does not contain any threat.
what threat? to whom?
we just did ‘quote’ that one will be ‘held to account’ for his deeds.
we would have said: ‘brought’ or ‘called’ to account.
and once again: “we” did not say this.
it was simply a quote of /reference to jason’s post #33 (and clearly stated as such!).
if YOU believe that to be a threat,
why do you critisize the reference but not jason & his original threat?
double standards? hypocrisy?
now to your dubious book with the strange title.
we couldn’t suppress a smile! or do YOU NEVER smile?
if somebody insists: YOU never smile, would you be pleased or upset?
please spare people books which so obviously contain lies even in their title.
who likes conspiracy theories? who likes mud-slinging?
apropos mud-slinging
that leads us to the great mud-slinger.
yes, we are talking about your leadership of mud-slingers.
this time not about lèse majesté as YOU try to change the subject.
it was solely about you trying to put thailand into a worse light than it deserves.
about corruption, about your dubious source, about wrong numbers.
what else but sheer hatred? was it just lack of knowledge?
lack of symphasy? lack of brains?
tell us your problem! we may absolve you, SIR…….
and we do hope so very much that we can return to the topic
and forget your ‘finger-pointing’
the main question remains:
who can decide on thai believes, constitution & laws?
the thais themselves or YOU?
On lèse majesté
Stephan: Your definition of ‘anonymous’, for which you cite the OED, is misleading, since it is far from the primary one, which is ‘not named, not identified.’ (This is not a quote from the OED, BTW. Its true, nevertheless.) It seems that you, who comment as “Stephan,” hardly an identifying name, are obsessed with insulting posters who do so anonymously. Isn’t that rather hypocritical?
You have also given the impression that you are Thai, and speaking on behalf of Thais. I doubt that this is true, because your rather poor English identifies you as a European, probably German (your name, as well as some of the language constructions you use, point to this.) Of course there’s nothing wrong with being a German, except when you mislead people, as stated in the first sentence of this paragraph.
BTW, you seem to have endless time to write your comments, and have virtually hijacked this thread, although all your posts seem to be written on behalf of Thais. This seems odd, since there are quite a few Thai contributors to NM, who seem quite capable of writing their own posts. Do you think they need you? A lot of them seem to have a much better concept of argument than you, who on the other hand show yourself to be simply argumentative. And most of them speak only on behalf of themselves, which seems fairly rational & balanced, good qualities in a debate.
Many non-Thai posters, probably most, either live here or spend quite a bit of time here, in answer to your comment about ISP addresses. Not that that confers any more rights on them than those who are simply interested in joining in a discussion of an absurd law which is not protecting anyone who it ostends to protect, but is functioning as an instrument of repression and causing enormous suffering to its alleged violators & their families, as well as everyone here who would like to participate in free discussion of history, society, national identity, and politics, just as people in other countries (including your own anonymous one, I would think) may do.
Just to erode your accusation of anonymity as far as I can safely go: I am Australian, I work in Thailand as an academic, my political position is ‘song mai ao’ (I really have very little respect for either position, based on what I have observed, but I don’t like the way the current government got in & I suspect that the PM is a ‘2-headed snake’), I don’t discuss Thai politics with my students (unethical), I observe the normal standards of respect required here in relation to the monarchy & I don’t have any desire to insult the King, &, as I have already stated, I regard the LM law as it is currently being used, as pathetically stupid, anachronistic, barbaric, a ‘front’ for keeping people under the thumb, & entirely in the worst interests of the development of Thailand. And I speak only on behalf of myself, I don’t use ‘we,’ as you habitually do.
I would also suggest that you do a little reading in the area of Thai history. Your tub-thumping statements re. constitutional ballots are incorrect.
Imagine the gridlock: Is this how it’s going to happen?
Just came from Vic’ Mon’…very busy and rammed with thousands of Reds.
All seemed happy and focussed…
Good luck to them!
Imagine the gridlock: Is this how it’s going to happen?
… and some numbers concerning “people power”.
74% sick of politics: Abac Poll
By: BangkokPost.com
Published: 5/04/2009 at 01:33 PM
http://www.bangkokpost.com/print/139660/74-sick-of-politics-abac-poll
The Abac Poll Research Centre’s latest survey revealed that almost two-thirds of the respondents were tired of politics and political protests.
54.8 per cent said they were strained because of the ongoing political tensions, while 74.0 per cent were fed up with politics.
70.8 per cent wanted political activist groups to stop creating unrest. 68.7 per cent wanted them to end their political movements for one person or a few of their associates.
66.3 per cent wanted political activist groups to use public members as their political tools.
74.6 per cent viewed that these groups should promote unity in the country instead. 73.7 per cent suggested that they should do good deeds for His Majesty the King.
72.4 per cent wanted them to help improve the well-being of people.
Imagine the gridlock: Is this how it’s going to happen?
Anyways, Thailand will pop up on international news programs again. They best thing to anchor a message with the audience from a marketing stance: repetition, repetition, repetition. I doubt that the international crisis correspondents will fill the hotel rooms and what made up to 20% of Thai economy. Long live the struggle for Democracy!
New Mandala in Thai
Here is the example of this post in Thai from Google.
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р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕бр╕лр╕▒р╕ир╕Ир╕гр╕гр╕вр╣Мр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Др╣Вр╕Щр╣Вр╕ер╕вр╕╡р╕Вр╕нр╕З Google р╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Вр╕Ур╕░р╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Ър╕гр╕┤р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕гр╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╣Жр╣Бр╕Ыр╕ер╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕нр╕бр╕Юр╕┤р╕зр╣Ар╕Хр╕нр╕гр╣М р╣Гр╕лр╕бр╣И Mandala (р╣Гр╕Щр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕З р╕Чр╕╕р╕Б р╣Ар╕зр╣Зр╕Ър╣Др╕Лр╕Хр╣Мр╕нр╕нр╕Бр╕бр╕╡!). р╣Гр╕лр╕бр╣И Mandala р╣Гр╕Щр╣Др╕Чр╕в, р╕бр╕╡ р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╕╡р╣И. р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ыр╕ер╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕бр╕▒р╣Ир╕Щр╣Ар╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕кр╕бр╕Ър╕╣р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Фр╕╣р╣Ар╕лр╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Эр╣Ир╕▓р╕Яр╕▒р╕Щр╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕в “р╕Зр╣Ир╕▓р╕вр╣Ж” р╕Др╕│р╣Ар╕Кр╣Ир╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕пр╕ер╕пр╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕нр╕╖р╣Ир╕Щр╣Жр╣Др╕зр╕вр╕▓р╕Бр╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕вр╕▒р╕Зр╕зр╕┤р╕ер╕▓р╕зр╕▒р╕Ур╕вр╣Мр╕Др╕╡р╣И. р╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Йр╕▒р╕Щр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Юр╕Ър╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕Юр╕┤р╣Ир╕бр╕Ир╕│р╕Щр╕зр╕Щр╣Ар╕зр╣Зр╕Ъ Surfers р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕Чр╕вр╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕кр╕╢р╕Бр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕вр╕нр╕бр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕нр╕▒р╕Зр╕Бр╕др╕й.
р╕Чр╕╡р╣И Google puts р╕бр╕▒р╕Щ: р╕бр╕╕р╕бр╕бр╕нр╕Зр╣Гр╕лр╕бр╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕ар╕▓р╕Др╕Юр╕╖р╣Йр╕Щр╣Ар╕нр╣Ар╕Кр╕╡р╕вр╕Хр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Щр╕нр╕нр╕Бр╣Ар╕Йр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╣Гр╕Хр╣Й
р╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Юр╕зр╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕нр╕нр╕Бр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Юр╕бр╣Ир╕▓р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕Вр╕бр╕г (р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕ер╕▓р╕зр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Бр╕░р╣Ар╕лр╕гр╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕Зр╣Бр╕ер╕░ … ..) р╕Др╕нр╕бр╕Юр╕┤р╕зр╣Ар╕Хр╕нр╕гр╣Мр╣Бр╕Ыр╕е? р╕Йр╕▒р╕Щр╣Бр╕Щр╣Ир╣Гр╕Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Гр╕Др╕г, р╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕З, р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Ар╕гр╕┤р╣Ир╕бр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Юр╕┤р╕Ир╕▓р╕гр╕Ур╕▓р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Др╕Ыр╣Др╕Фр╣Й. р╕нр╕┤р╕Щр╣Вр╕Фр╕Щр╕╡р╣Ар╕Лр╕╡р╕вр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕зр╕╡р╕вр╕Фр╕Щр╕▓р╕бр╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕З stacks р╕нр╕╖р╣Ир╕Щр╣Жр╕вр╕╕р╣Вр╕гр╕Ыр╣Бр╕ер╕░р╣Ар╕нр╣Ар╕Кр╕╡р╕вр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕▓ , р╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕зр╣Гр╕Щ Google р╣Ар╕Др╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З.
р╕Йр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Зр╕▓р╕Щр╕Щр╕│р╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╕Вр╕нр╕З Google guys (р╣Гр╕Щр╕Зр╕▓р╕Щр╕зр╕Зр╕Ир╕г) р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Юр╕зр╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓ spruiked р╕Бр╕▓р╕г ambition р╣Др╕Ы (р╣Бр╕ер╕░р╕Йр╕▒р╕Щр╕Цр╕нр╕Фр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕б) “р╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕гр╕╣р╣Йр╕бр╕╡р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Др╕Щр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕ар╕▓р╕йр╕▓”. р╣Бр╕Чр╣Йр╕Ир╕гр╕┤р╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╣Вр╕Др╕гр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕Щр╕╕р╕йр╕вр╣Мр╣Ар╕Др╕в contemplated р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕лр╕бр╕╣р╣Ир╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╣Ар╕Юр╕┤р╣Ир╕бр╣Ар╕Хр╕┤р╕бр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Ър╕┤р╣Ир╕Щ. р╕Йр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Юр╕зр╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Фр╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╕╕р╕Фр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Вр╕Кр╕Др╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕в.
р╕кр╕│р╕лр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╣Лр╕вр╕зр╕Йр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╕вр╕┤р╕Щр╕Фр╕╡ Mandala р╣Гр╕лр╕бр╣И р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╣Гр╕Щ (р╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣И) р╕Лр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕кр╕▓р╕бр╕▓р╕гр╕Цр╣Др╕Чр╕в!
тЖТ 1 р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Др╕┤р╕Фр╣Ар╕лр╣Зр╕Щ р╕Ыр╣Йр╕▓р╕в: р╣Ар╕нр╣Ар╕Кр╕╡р╕вр╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕йр╕▓ р╕нр╕нр╕Щр╣Др╕ер╕Щр╣Мр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Щ trans-р╕Кр╕▓р╕вр╣Бр╕Фр╕Щр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Щ р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Бр╕Ыр╕е
The Reds in Bangkok today
>>>right, the red shirts are peaceful, except when they are smashing the windows of the PM’s car or intimidating the gays in Chiang Mai.<<<
Or when they are spitting and throwing water bottles at Thai television reporters for not lying about the size of their mob, physically attacking a Senator in Bangkok, or beating people unconscious in Udon Thani.
Yes, the Red Shirts are a very peaceful movement.
Red shirts on the march
Having witnessed the PAD protests of early to mid 2006 and the Red Shirt protests of the last couple of days, they have drawn about the same numbers. About 100,000 people turned out on several occasions during 2006 anti-Thaksin demonstrations. So your statement that the Red Shirts have drawn larger crowds than the PAD had ever done is false.
Imagine the gridlock: Is this how it’s going to happen?
Maybe PMAbhisit should declare tomorrow a holiday and live to fight after Songkran. I am afraid picking on Bangkok traffic may backfire grandly for the Reds. The angriest and ugliest Thais are those stuck behind the wheel in Bangkok traffic. For PMThaksin it is probably a deserved punishment for not voting for him anyway.
Ofcourse, buildings belonging to businesses and institution that has been against PMThaksin should also be prepared as they are rumours that they’ll be set on fire… I hope it is only a rumour, but it seems that the Reds are sufficiently radicalized to the extent that they are ready to attack news reporters that put their numbers in the 10,000s and not in the 100,000s…
What can save Bangkok this time? Or maybe the best we can do is just to let the Reds relieve their pent up hate on a few roads, cars, buildings?
Full text of Abhisit speech in Oxford
Amberwaves #15,
Never really agreed with many of your comments before, but agree with you wholeheartedly this time round. I cannot understand the pro-pad type always clamoring for Thaksin’s and the “red” blood and totally ignoring the PAD crimes and immunity. In fact auto-immunity for anyone who’s backed by the elite-military complex.
The list is long as you say, but who cares. Pad types wear SF99 sunglasses
Kavi on Suwicha’s “quagmire”
Susie Wong #3. “Rama V was during the absolute monarchy, no law was needed in regard to the monarchy.”
The first and all subsequent constitutions have reinforced the monarch’s inviolable status but lese majeste first became an offence in statutory law under the first Criminal Code of 1908 promulgated under King Rama V.
“By the time the team arrived at the death scene, all the evidences had already been altered.”
What alterations do you believe were made?
“Witnessing the death scene before the investigation was conducted, had made Sanya the most quiet prime minister Thailand ever had.”
What do you mean by this?
New Mandala in Thai
its amazing and a great achievement
I have been using Thai to English for the last month or so… its not very readable but gets the gist of the story
I read that they are using automatic means to generate their dictionaries and deduce the grammar… just by taking large quantities of matched pairs of documents
they also invite anyone to send in suggested better translations that they can add to their system
it is audacious and displaying the real power of massive computing
How many years in prison for this?
Xianity is not important in Thailand so why would mocking it be against the law? I hope you were joking about the photo being “shocking”. In addition, exactly who considers xianity to be “a revered institution”? This isn’t the 13th century. Perhaps you meant “a revolting institution”?
dboy
On lèse majesté
Stephan at 25: My point to you was that if you showed evidence of informed opinions in your posts you might be taken seriously. You don’t do that. I have no opinion on the content of your posts until you say something that makes sense and can be debated.
Full text of Abhisit speech in Oxford
On the matter of “real democracy,” I think you agree that it’s a matter of definition, and that is another whole and long complicated debate.
On the three demands, yes, in an ideal world, the call for democracy should top the list. But to be strictly pragmatic about it, it is hard to rally people around a general concept — you want tangible targets. It’s an organizing gimmick. Anyway, listing democracy last doesn’t necessarily make it least. In some forms of rhetoric, you build up to your main point.
As for the senate — I’m not sure what is at issue here, and certainly don’t see what it has to do with me being Thai or not.
But since I am curious to see what you have to say, I will answer your question. I am not Thai. But if you are a recent college graduate or younger, I have lived in Thailand longer than you have. And I am old enough to remember what terrible things happened the last time the Thai establishment felt under threat. Anyone else there out there recall the morning-after shock of Socialist Party leader Boonsanong’s assassination? (And I cannot pass up the observation that justice was never done in his case, as in so many others of the era.)
I’m not quite sure what you are getting at in your last question, but I’d like to see equal justice under law (e.g., no de facto impunity for PAD and other anti-Thaksin types), an impartial and apolitical judiciary (does that really need any explanation?), no ex post facto laws, a responsible press (I can dream…), the army staying in its barracks… the list is quite long.