Interesting discussion on Buddhism and Thai Buddhism – particularly the ‘fringe teachings’ of Buddhadasa, often quoted but not practiced (as observed by KhunSuthi #1). I suspect that if you need a Buddhist framework to read contemporary Thai politics, the rise of Dhammakaya, their practice and message may provide something more relevant and useful. In terms of material culture, Dhammakaya’s mega-stupa and surrounding galleries is symbolic of a section of Thai elites’ aspirations, momentarily but memorably imposed on the country (a nightmare for some, a dream for others)…
Good for the Nation for their continued support of Pornpimol Kanchanalak. And, of course, jonfernquest, for going the anti-ivory tower route yet again. Of course, Pauline was really at the sharp end of teaching….
Great article KhunPornpimol Kanchanalak.
From the comments above, she also succeeded in opening a ‘Rashomon’ battle front between “Western scholars” and “Thai journalists”! Well done!
Despite both academics and journalists laying claim to ‘objectivity’ as the the lens through which they scrutinize and interpret the world, it is still fundamentally ‘subjective’, framed by their socio-cultural biases. The “Western scholars” maintain that, viewing the ‘fish tank’ from a democratic outside, they must be right, while “Thai journalist” will counter that she must be right as she is in the ‘thick of things’ (and to continue the analogy, how can the outside viewer understand the ‘water’ and the ‘fish’?).
My two cents worth here, from a “Thai scholar working in a Western academic context” (a ‘fish out of the water’???)…
Humor is a very difficult form of writing, much more difficult than ‘straight’ narrative. Unless one has a sure grasp of most or all the facts and a sharp idea of how to interprete them,, one will not make a good ‘light-hearted’ story out of them, only lame jokes, as in this case.
If I really wanted to be ruthless, I’d have pointed out, besides the issue of the duration of the first Phibun regime, that much of the author’s first reply (#2) is either inaccurate or besides the point. Take, for instance: “р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕╡р╕Фр╕╡р╕Др╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕нр╕│р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ир╕бр╕▓р╕Хр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щр╕кр╕Зр╕Др╕гр╕▓р╕б”. Pridi in fact assumed power before (not since) the end of the war, i.e. following Phibun’s fall in July 1944. The first Khuang Cabinet (August 1944-45) was in reality Pridi (‘Free Thai’) Cabinet. In fact Khuang hardly played any important role at all apart from ‘clowning around’ for the benefit of the Japanese.
The key point, however, is that the author of this post has no understanding of the reality of the post-war politics, hence his ‘humorous’ ‘take’ on the number ‘4’.
Apart from what I already said, consider this sentence also from #2:
Three governments in the year were Pridi’s, but only two PMs are his. Several evidences have shown that the other two were anti-Pridi.
No “evidence” would have shown that Khuang was ‘anti’ Pridi during his brief Premiership in 1946, certainly not in the sense that Surayut and Abhisit are anti-Thaksin. Khuang had been driven into the anti-Pridi camp because of his disappointment with Pridi’s support of Direk as candidate for PM, but much more because of the circumstances of his fall from office (which he believed was engineered by Pridi). He was in fact not the main driving force behind the formation of the Democrat Party. Even Seni, one could argue, based on ‘several evidences’, that during his Premiership, though he was unconfortable working with Cabinet that Pridi set up for him, was not yet fully-committed anti-Pridi, again very unlike Sorayut or Abhisit.
So the number of ‘4’ PMs in both 1946 and 2008 turns out to be not only superficial, but misleading.
In my view, one of the major factors, which greatly contributes to the anti-politician/ pro-monarchy trend among both Thai and foreign intellectuals in recent years, is that they thought they ‘know’ Thai political history very well, but in fact they don’t. This shows in the often unbelievably very sloppy way they talk about certain facts.
“Then came the October 14, 1974 student uprising. …”
“….he most savage retribution against our own on October 6 two years later.
The October 14 uprising, of course, happened in 1973 while the October 6 massacre took place three years later.
That both Pornpimol who actually lived through that period (and claims that she knows Thai politics than those ‘western scholars’) and The Nation’s editors, could let ‘slip’ such well-known historical facts, testifies to the sloppiness I just said.
Anyone think this is not an important issue, they probably never heard of the ’16 Tula (October 16) Events’
P.S. I also recall an example here sometime ago when ‘Taxi Driver’ thought he ‘know’ what kind of armed forces took part in the October 6 massacre.
Jon, it seems to me that Pornpimol Kanchanalak has been given a voice on this site. Maybe for you Ivory Tower implies a lack of engagement, but how should the Ivory Tower engage? It’s inanimate – people must engage with the ivory.
Are you being self-depreciating with this spoilt rich kid Marxist fantasy? A child who has had two bowls of rice could be construed as a spoilt child if a family of three could only afford three bowls of rice. Jon, it seems like you’re arguing for social justice first by implying that she should not be mocked, and then you overlook what she has attempted to justify which is a narrative falsely content with the progress of Thai citizens. “What sort of citizens are we?” she asks, and then answers herself with loaded comments filled with prejudice about what it is to be civil. Then she makes ad-hominem attacks on those Westerners close to the ivory. And you support this sort of rhetoric with “impair and disable them as far as the real world of earning a livelihood they face is concerned”… real world earning a livelihood from whom? It’s their real world, and personally, I think the 1997 constitution guaranteed that it was their real world a little more than the present one.
Good for Pornipimol for expressing what she thinks on “The Nation.”
True, we have achieved to date one important milestone in democracy – namely, citizen participation in the democratic process. But the bigger question is what kind of citizens are we? Vote-buying is the norm; nepotism and corruption are willingly accepted.
Vote-buying is the norm… this from Bill Clinton’s bag lady?
Looking around our region, we see better citizens in less “democratic” countries in terms of them being well-informed, better educated and honouring accountability and commitment to building an equal opportunity society, with less or no tolerance for irregularities.
It’s the citizens’ fault? Those with the reins of power in their hands blame the current situation on those who are powerless?
The Bangkok “elite” hates the Thai people and will never forgive them the injuries they themselves, the Bangkok “elite”, have done to them, the ordinary Thais.
That sounds backwards, but its the truth. The plight of the ordinary Thai people stands as an indictment of the Bangkok “elite” and to their 77 years of misrule. And in “return” the “elite” hate them for it.
I think you are very lenient with this “journalist” (damned, I used the commas too). 😉
What’s her point ? Basically, western “scholars” are wrong when they say that Thailand is less democratic now… because it was worse before, the journey has been long (1932 blabla)” !
Very often I find in articles written or statements by thai “scholars”, journalists or politician (Abhisit is very good at it) this totally childish idea : we have to excuse the present, because before it was more… (pick your word) worse, difficult or whatever else etc.
In other words, and translated on the political level : the current gvt and its supporters are telling us : you can’t say it’s bad now, because… it was worse before (with Thaksin, Samak).
I mean it’s the level zero of the thought process.
It’s a cheap rethorical mean to delegitimize any critics.
And of course particularly when it’s coming from westerners… because we all know that westerners do not understand Thailand, because they don’t really know the history of the country (going back to king Naresuan), right ?
I was sort of hoping that all that enlightenment would have made them more articulate, but obviously I have a long way to go on the path, so probably would not understand anyway.
This is something I have become uncomfortably aware of in the past few days: the conviction, among some people in Thailand, that those who hold a different opinion from them about (for example) the current Thai government, cannot simply be in honest disagreement with them, but must be serving some hidden agenda.
I must say that it is unfortunate that this line of conversatin has died down in lue of recent events along the Thai-Burma border. I have been readin article after article about how the situation in changing in Burma nd in reguards to the KNLA but nothing on this line has changed in weeks if not months. I have just returned from a few months in the jungles along the Thai Burma border and despite what the news articles and the KNLA-PC and SPDC the fighting is not over. There are still very dedicated people out there putting their lives on the line everyday. There are still NGO’s working hard to make life better for IDP’s and refugees alike.
Yes the SPDC and DKBA are ramping up attacks. Yes the Thai-military and police are applying pressure but that doesn’t mean the war is over. Keep the fighting spirit alive. Jack
Well, I think Somsak Jeamteerasakul’s comments are very harsh and ruthless, and there’s really no need to be so hostile towards others. (I anticipate u will react to this comment of mine with animosity, judging from the way u have reponded to many people’s comments)
Quote:р╕Ьр╕бр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕нр╕ар╕┤р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕вр╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕лр╕▓р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Чр╕в/р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕вр╣Бр╕Ър╕Ър╣Др╕Чр╕вр╣Ж р╕Бр╣Зр╕нр╕ар╕┤р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕вр╕бр╕▓р╕Хр╕гр╕Зр╣Ж р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕З pretend р╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З “р╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Б” “р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣И” р╕нр╕░р╣Др╕гр╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щ
Well, there should be a room for metaphor and imagination. Too many ‘facts’ are boring! I think one can provide critique of other’s work without having to assume the condescending tone the way u do.
The author has shown admirable humility and is very open for comments and criticisms.
If you want to read about “emptiness” or “voidness” in the original context, look at this Pali text:
[Mogharaja:]
Twice now, O Sakyan,
I’ve asked you,
but you, One with vision,
haven’t answered me.
When asked the third time
the celestial seer answers:
so I have heard.
This world, the next world,
the Brahma world with its devas:
I don’t know how they’re viewed
by the glorious Gotama.
So to the one who has seen
to the far extreme,
I’ve come with a question:
How does one view the world
so as not to be seen
by Death’s king?
[The Buddha:]
View the world, Mogharaja,
as empty –
always mindful
to have removed any view
about self.
This way one is above & beyond death.
This is how one views the world
so as not to be seen
by Death’s king.
Some contemporary meditation teachers have also described their experience of liberation in terms of “emptiness”, which is experienced as emotional detachment from the things that previously used to stir up strong emotions, but that did not make them passive and withdrawn — quite the opposite, many of them have been active leaders of communities until their final day.
Teachers who are working on the front lines or trenches of education like the author of today’s editorial are the truly “engaged” ones and should be given more of a voice.
They are the ones who actually provide the poor rural students with the skills they need to survive in the world, not some spoilt rich kid Marxist fantasy that will impair and disable them as far as the real world of earning a livelihood they face is concerned.
Yes, Hobby, you are right! I reread yr quotes and go back to Phra Paisan’s article again and found that the author in fact has quite positive attitude towards supersitution and rituals. My knowledge of Buddhadasa’s philosophy and teachings largely come from Thai lang sources and also from Peter A. Jackson’s “Buddhism, legitimation and conflicts” (1989). I think i disagree with Phra Paisan regarding Buddhadasa’s perception of superstitution and agree with Peter A. Jackson who (if I don’t get it wrongly) seems to feel that Reformist monks like Buddhadasa highlight the rational aspects of Buddhism and devalue superstitution. Earlier king (rama IV?)may have attempted to rationalise Buddhism but the superstitious rituals which are crucial to lend political legitimacy to the monrach and the establishment were still maintained, but Buddhadasa went a step further by trying to reform Buddhism in a way that makes it enhance a more egalitarian social vision.
Umm.. I don’t know Hobby, but I read Buddhadasa’s teachings in Thai (from another site some month ago..maybe Buddhadasa.com something) and , while he seemsed to feel that for many Thais, superstitution or rituals or simply machanical repetition of mantra seems to be their path a ‘higher’ goal. However, he appears not to give much regard to these sort of people and places much more emphasis on the use of reason and critical thinking. I will try to find the link (oh here it is: http://www.buddhadasa.com/FAQ/FAQ_2.html
, but unfortunately, it’s in Thai): I will try to quote some parts here for those who can read Thai:
…р╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕нр╕│р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ир╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Кр╕╖р╣Ир╕н р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕лр╕зр╕▓р╕Фр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕зр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕Кр╕╖р╣Ир╕н р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕ер╕▒р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ир╕░р╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤ р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Бр╕Ыр╕ер╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕лр╕ер╕▓р╕Фр╕нр╕░р╣Др╕г р╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕Щр╕ер╕░р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕З р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╕╣р╕Цр╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╣Ар╕ер╕в р╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щр╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕бр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╕▓р╕Щ р╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Бр╣Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╕р╣Ир╕Зр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Ир╕░р╕Фр╕▒р╕Ър╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Вр╣Мр╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕ер╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕░р╕кр╕б р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╕бр╕▓р╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щ р╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕Бр╣Зр╕Чр╕│р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╣Ар╕нр╕▓р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕бр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╕▓р╕Щр╕Фр╕╡р╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕кр╕зр╕Фр╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╣Мр╕Др╕гр╕Ър╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕З р╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Вр╣Мр╕нр╕╡р╕Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕Ы
(By the way, actually I have already posted those links in yr blog some months ago Hobby, another poem that touches on Buddhism is “Bangkok Never Really Sleeps”.)
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Four Prime Ministers in one year
р╕Фр╕╡р╕Щр╕░р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ьр╕бр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕нр╕▓ “р╣Ф” р╕гр╕▒р╕Рр╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╕гр╕╡р╕Юр╕зр╕Бр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕Ыр╕гр╕╡р╕Фр╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕гр╕╡р╕вр╕Ър╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╣Вр╕Ир╕гр╕бр╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕╣ (р╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Хр╕│р╕гр╕зр╕Ир╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕гр╕╣р╣Й) р╕бр╕▓р╕Вр╕▓р╕в р╕Юр╕гр╣Йр╕нр╕бр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕зр╕Цр╕╢р╕Зр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Вр╕Кр╕Др╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕вр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕ер╕В “р╣Ф” р╕Щр╕▒р╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╕Др╕Зр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Вр╕│р╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣И
By the way, I also never conside 4 deads from brutal political assassination a good ‘material’ for such ‘humorous’ quip.
From the archives: Region of Revolt
Interesting discussion on Buddhism and Thai Buddhism – particularly the ‘fringe teachings’ of Buddhadasa, often quoted but not practiced (as observed by KhunSuthi #1). I suspect that if you need a Buddhist framework to read contemporary Thai politics, the rise of Dhammakaya, their practice and message may provide something more relevant and useful. In terms of material culture, Dhammakaya’s mega-stupa and surrounding galleries is symbolic of a section of Thai elites’ aspirations, momentarily but memorably imposed on the country (a nightmare for some, a dream for others)…
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
Good for the Nation for their continued support of Pornpimol Kanchanalak. And, of course, jonfernquest, for going the anti-ivory tower route yet again. Of course, Pauline was really at the sharp end of teaching….
Now go to the following:
http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F3/192/1037/594125/
http://www.fec.gov/law/litigation_CCA_U.shtml (scroll down a bit)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A07EFD81730F934A15751C1A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
http://freerepublic.com/china/12.htm
New political force
http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/02/28/red-shirt-protest-at-government-house/#comment-619088
Gather round, I will tell you of the prophecy! (Admittedly, a much better looking prophecy than I originally saw in the tea)
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
Great article KhunPornpimol Kanchanalak.
From the comments above, she also succeeded in opening a ‘Rashomon’ battle front between “Western scholars” and “Thai journalists”! Well done!
Despite both academics and journalists laying claim to ‘objectivity’ as the the lens through which they scrutinize and interpret the world, it is still fundamentally ‘subjective’, framed by their socio-cultural biases. The “Western scholars” maintain that, viewing the ‘fish tank’ from a democratic outside, they must be right, while “Thai journalist” will counter that she must be right as she is in the ‘thick of things’ (and to continue the analogy, how can the outside viewer understand the ‘water’ and the ‘fish’?).
My two cents worth here, from a “Thai scholar working in a Western academic context” (a ‘fish out of the water’???)…
Four Prime Ministers in one year
Too many ‘facts’ are boring!
Humor is a very difficult form of writing, much more difficult than ‘straight’ narrative. Unless one has a sure grasp of most or all the facts and a sharp idea of how to interprete them,, one will not make a good ‘light-hearted’ story out of them, only lame jokes, as in this case.
If I really wanted to be ruthless, I’d have pointed out, besides the issue of the duration of the first Phibun regime, that much of the author’s first reply (#2) is either inaccurate or besides the point. Take, for instance: “р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕Ыр╕гр╕╡р╕Фр╕╡р╕Др╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕нр╕│р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ир╕бр╕▓р╕Хр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щр╕кр╕Зр╕Др╕гр╕▓р╕б”. Pridi in fact assumed power before (not since) the end of the war, i.e. following Phibun’s fall in July 1944. The first Khuang Cabinet (August 1944-45) was in reality Pridi (‘Free Thai’) Cabinet. In fact Khuang hardly played any important role at all apart from ‘clowning around’ for the benefit of the Japanese.
The key point, however, is that the author of this post has no understanding of the reality of the post-war politics, hence his ‘humorous’ ‘take’ on the number ‘4’.
Apart from what I already said, consider this sentence also from #2:
Three governments in the year were Pridi’s, but only two PMs are his. Several evidences have shown that the other two were anti-Pridi.
No “evidence” would have shown that Khuang was ‘anti’ Pridi during his brief Premiership in 1946, certainly not in the sense that Surayut and Abhisit are anti-Thaksin. Khuang had been driven into the anti-Pridi camp because of his disappointment with Pridi’s support of Direk as candidate for PM, but much more because of the circumstances of his fall from office (which he believed was engineered by Pridi). He was in fact not the main driving force behind the formation of the Democrat Party. Even Seni, one could argue, based on ‘several evidences’, that during his Premiership, though he was unconfortable working with Cabinet that Pridi set up for him, was not yet fully-committed anti-Pridi, again very unlike Sorayut or Abhisit.
So the number of ‘4’ PMs in both 1946 and 2008 turns out to be not only superficial, but misleading.
In my view, one of the major factors, which greatly contributes to the anti-politician/ pro-monarchy trend among both Thai and foreign intellectuals in recent years, is that they thought they ‘know’ Thai political history very well, but in fact they don’t. This shows in the often unbelievably very sloppy way they talk about certain facts.
Take this piece from Pornpimol Kanchanalak in the Nation, mentioned in another post here.
http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2009/03/19/the-ivory-tower-democrac-and-all-that-jazz/
“Then came the October 14, 1974 student uprising. …”
“….he most savage retribution against our own on October 6 two years later.
The October 14 uprising, of course, happened in 1973 while the October 6 massacre took place three years later.
That both Pornpimol who actually lived through that period (and claims that she knows Thai politics than those ‘western scholars’) and The Nation’s editors, could let ‘slip’ such well-known historical facts, testifies to the sloppiness I just said.
Anyone think this is not an important issue, they probably never heard of the ’16 Tula (October 16) Events’
P.S. I also recall an example here sometime ago when ‘Taxi Driver’ thought he ‘know’ what kind of armed forces took part in the October 6 massacre.
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
Jon, it seems to me that Pornpimol Kanchanalak has been given a voice on this site. Maybe for you Ivory Tower implies a lack of engagement, but how should the Ivory Tower engage? It’s inanimate – people must engage with the ivory.
Are you being self-depreciating with this spoilt rich kid Marxist fantasy? A child who has had two bowls of rice could be construed as a spoilt child if a family of three could only afford three bowls of rice. Jon, it seems like you’re arguing for social justice first by implying that she should not be mocked, and then you overlook what she has attempted to justify which is a narrative falsely content with the progress of Thai citizens. “What sort of citizens are we?” she asks, and then answers herself with loaded comments filled with prejudice about what it is to be civil. Then she makes ad-hominem attacks on those Westerners close to the ivory. And you support this sort of rhetoric with “impair and disable them as far as the real world of earning a livelihood they face is concerned”… real world earning a livelihood from whom? It’s their real world, and personally, I think the 1997 constitution guaranteed that it was their real world a little more than the present one.
Good for Pornipimol for expressing what she thinks on “The Nation.”
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
True, we have achieved to date one important milestone in democracy – namely, citizen participation in the democratic process. But the bigger question is what kind of citizens are we? Vote-buying is the norm; nepotism and corruption are willingly accepted.
Vote-buying is the norm… this from Bill Clinton’s bag lady?
Looking around our region, we see better citizens in less “democratic” countries in terms of them being well-informed, better educated and honouring accountability and commitment to building an equal opportunity society, with less or no tolerance for irregularities.
It’s the citizens’ fault? Those with the reins of power in their hands blame the current situation on those who are powerless?
The Bangkok “elite” hates the Thai people and will never forgive them the injuries they themselves, the Bangkok “elite”, have done to them, the ordinary Thais.
That sounds backwards, but its the truth. The plight of the ordinary Thai people stands as an indictment of the Bangkok “elite” and to their 77 years of misrule. And in “return” the “elite” hate them for it.
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
I think you are very lenient with this “journalist” (damned, I used the commas too). 😉
What’s her point ? Basically, western “scholars” are wrong when they say that Thailand is less democratic now… because it was worse before, the journey has been long (1932 blabla)” !
Very often I find in articles written or statements by thai “scholars”, journalists or politician (Abhisit is very good at it) this totally childish idea : we have to excuse the present, because before it was more… (pick your word) worse, difficult or whatever else etc.
In other words, and translated on the political level : the current gvt and its supporters are telling us : you can’t say it’s bad now, because… it was worse before (with Thaksin, Samak).
I mean it’s the level zero of the thought process.
It’s a cheap rethorical mean to delegitimize any critics.
And of course particularly when it’s coming from westerners… because we all know that westerners do not understand Thailand, because they don’t really know the history of the country (going back to king Naresuan), right ?
We are outsiders.
😉
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
The 1974 uprising, eh?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/14/newsid_2534000/2534347.stm
Yeah, Westerners know nothing….apart from really important historical dates.
From the archives: Region of Revolt
Dhammanusari: Thanks for that.
I was sort of hoping that all that enlightenment would have made them more articulate, but obviously I have a long way to go on the path, so probably would not understand anyway.
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
This is something I have become uncomfortably aware of in the past few days: the conviction, among some people in Thailand, that those who hold a different opinion from them about (for example) the current Thai government, cannot simply be in honest disagreement with them, but must be serving some hidden agenda.
Rambo and the real war in Burma
I must say that it is unfortunate that this line of conversatin has died down in lue of recent events along the Thai-Burma border. I have been readin article after article about how the situation in changing in Burma nd in reguards to the KNLA but nothing on this line has changed in weeks if not months. I have just returned from a few months in the jungles along the Thai Burma border and despite what the news articles and the KNLA-PC and SPDC the fighting is not over. There are still very dedicated people out there putting their lives on the line everyday. There are still NGO’s working hard to make life better for IDP’s and refugees alike.
Yes the SPDC and DKBA are ramping up attacks. Yes the Thai-military and police are applying pressure but that doesn’t mean the war is over. Keep the fighting spirit alive. Jack
Four Prime Ministers in one year
Well, I think Somsak Jeamteerasakul’s comments are very harsh and ruthless, and there’s really no need to be so hostile towards others. (I anticipate u will react to this comment of mine with animosity, judging from the way u have reponded to many people’s comments)
Quote:р╕Ьр╕бр╣Ар╕кр╕Щр╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕нр╕ар╕┤р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕вр╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕лр╕▓р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕зр╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Хр╕гр╣Мр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Чр╕в/р╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Кр╕▓р╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╣Др╕Хр╕вр╣Бр╕Ър╕Ър╣Др╕Чр╕вр╣Ж р╕Бр╣Зр╕нр╕ар╕┤р╕Ыр╕гр╕▓р╕вр╕бр╕▓р╕Хр╕гр╕Зр╣Ж р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕З pretend р╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕З “р╣Ар╕Фр╣Зр╕Б” “р╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣И” р╕нр╕░р╣Др╕гр╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щ
Well, there should be a room for metaphor and imagination. Too many ‘facts’ are boring! I think one can provide critique of other’s work without having to assume the condescending tone the way u do.
The author has shown admirable humility and is very open for comments and criticisms.
From the archives: Region of Revolt
If you want to read about “emptiness” or “voidness” in the original context, look at this Pali text:
[Mogharaja:]
Twice now, O Sakyan,
I’ve asked you,
but you, One with vision,
haven’t answered me.
When asked the third time
the celestial seer answers:
so I have heard.
This world, the next world,
the Brahma world with its devas:
I don’t know how they’re viewed
by the glorious Gotama.
So to the one who has seen
to the far extreme,
I’ve come with a question:
How does one view the world
so as not to be seen
by Death’s king?
[The Buddha:]
View the world, Mogharaja,
as empty –
always mindful
to have removed any view
about self.
This way one is above & beyond death.
This is how one views the world
so as not to be seen
by Death’s king.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.5.15.than.html
Some contemporary meditation teachers have also described their experience of liberation in terms of “emptiness”, which is experienced as emotional detachment from the things that previously used to stir up strong emotions, but that did not make them passive and withdrawn — quite the opposite, many of them have been active leaders of communities until their final day.
Government responses to LM campaign
I’m still waiting for Abhisit to tell us EXACTLY which European countries have laws similar to LM.
Of course this line is utter rubbish – he knows it and we know it.
Maybe he was talking about the Middle East, Iran, Afghanistan or Africa?
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
“Ivory tower” implies lack of engagement.
Teachers who are working on the front lines or trenches of education like the author of today’s editorial are the truly “engaged” ones and should be given more of a voice.
They are the ones who actually provide the poor rural students with the skills they need to survive in the world, not some spoilt rich kid Marxist fantasy that will impair and disable them as far as the real world of earning a livelihood they face is concerned.
From the archives: Region of Revolt
Yes, Hobby, you are right! I reread yr quotes and go back to Phra Paisan’s article again and found that the author in fact has quite positive attitude towards supersitution and rituals. My knowledge of Buddhadasa’s philosophy and teachings largely come from Thai lang sources and also from Peter A. Jackson’s “Buddhism, legitimation and conflicts” (1989). I think i disagree with Phra Paisan regarding Buddhadasa’s perception of superstitution and agree with Peter A. Jackson who (if I don’t get it wrongly) seems to feel that Reformist monks like Buddhadasa highlight the rational aspects of Buddhism and devalue superstitution. Earlier king (rama IV?)may have attempted to rationalise Buddhism but the superstitious rituals which are crucial to lend political legitimacy to the monrach and the establishment were still maintained, but Buddhadasa went a step further by trying to reform Buddhism in a way that makes it enhance a more egalitarian social vision.
The Ivory Tower, democracy and all that jazz
Quite a shockingly ignorant and ideological article — and this is precisely one of the core problems of the current political climate and conditions.
From the archives: Region of Revolt
Umm.. I don’t know Hobby, but I read Buddhadasa’s teachings in Thai (from another site some month ago..maybe Buddhadasa.com something) and , while he seemsed to feel that for many Thais, superstitution or rituals or simply machanical repetition of mantra seems to be their path a ‘higher’ goal. However, he appears not to give much regard to these sort of people and places much more emphasis on the use of reason and critical thinking. I will try to find the link (oh here it is: http://www.buddhadasa.com/FAQ/FAQ_2.html
, but unfortunately, it’s in Thai): I will try to quote some parts here for those who can read Thai:
…р╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕нр╕│р╕Щр╕▓р╕Ир╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Кр╕╖р╣Ир╕н р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕лр╕зр╕▓р╕Фр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕зр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Др╕Щр╣Ар╕Кр╕╖р╣Ир╕н р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕ер╕▒р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Ир╕░р╕Цр╕╖р╕нр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Шр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Кр╕▓р╕Хр╕┤ р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Бр╕Ыр╕ер╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕лр╕ер╕▓р╕Фр╕нр╕░р╣Др╕г р╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Др╕Щр╕ер╕░р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕З р╣Ар╕гр╕▓р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╕╣р╕Цр╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╣Ар╕ер╕в р╣Бр╕бр╣Йр╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щр╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕бр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╕▓р╕Щ р╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Бр╣Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╕р╣Ир╕Зр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Ир╕░р╕Фр╕▒р╕Ър╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Вр╣Мр╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕ер╕╖р╕нр╕Бр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕░р╕кр╕б р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╕бр╕▓р╕ир╕╢р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щ р╕Щр╕╡р╣Ир╕Бр╣Зр╕Чр╕│р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╣Ар╕нр╕▓р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕бр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╕▓р╕Щр╕Фр╕╡р╕Бр╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕кр╕зр╕Фр╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╣Мр╕Др╕гр╕Ър╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕З р╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Вр╣Мр╕нр╕╡р╕Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╣Др╕Ы
р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Ир╣Зр╕Ър╣Др╕Вр╣Йр╕бр╕▓р╕Цр╕╢р╕З р╕Ир╕░р╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╕Бр╣Зр╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Фр╕╡р╣Гр╕Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕гр╣Зр╕зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕нр╕Щр╕▓р╕Щ р╕Йр╕░р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕Юр╕зр╕Бр╕нр╕▓р╕Лр╕┤р╣Йр╕бр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╕▒р╕зр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕Хр╕▓р╕в р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕кр╕зр╕Фр╕бр╕Щр╕Хр╣Мр╣Др╕зр╣Йр╕Юр╕нр╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╣Ар╕Кр╣Ир╕Щр╕кр╕бр╕бр╕Хр╕┤р╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Бр╕Ыр╕Фр╕лр╕бр╕╖р╣Ир╕Щр╕Др╕гр╕▒р╣Йр╕З р╕Юр╕нр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ир╣Зр╕Ър╕Ир╕░р╕Хр╕▓р╕вр╕гр╕Цр╕бр╕▓р╕гр╕нр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╕Ър╕Щр╕лр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╕Др╕▓р╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕з р╕Йр╕░р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕Др╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Вр╣М р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕Юр╕нр╕Фр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ир╕┤р╕Хр╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╕гр╕Цр╣Др╕Ыр╕кр╕╕р╕Вр╕▓р╕зр╕Фр╕╡ р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕нр╕╕р╕Ър╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕зр╕▓р╕Зр╣Др╕зр╣Йр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕гр╕Ър╕Цр╣Йр╕зр╕Щ р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕Щр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕ар╕Чр╕Чр╕│р╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕Др╕Щр╣Вр╕Зр╣Ир╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╕╕р╕Фр╕Бр╣Зр╕Чр╕│р╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕Др╕Щр╕ер╕░р╣Бр╕Ър╕Ър╕Др╕Щр╕ер╕░р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡ р╕бр╕╕р╣Ир╕Зр╕Ьр╕ер╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕зр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щ р╕Др╕╖р╕нр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Чр╕╕р╕Бр╕Вр╣М р╕Йр╕░р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╕╣р╕лр╕бр╕┤р╣Ир╕Щр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Щр╕╡р╣Й.
р╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ьр╕бр╕Чр╕│р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Юр╕гр╕░р╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╣Вр╕Фр╕вр╣Ар╕нр╕▓р╕ер╕▒р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╣Ар╕Ьр╕вр╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╣Ар╕Чр╕ир╣Др╕Чр╕вр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕Ьр╕бр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Чр╕│р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╕Бр╕ер╕▒р╕Ър╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ьр╕ер╕Фр╕╡р╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕нр╕╡р╕Б р╕Др╕╖р╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Др╕Щр╣Др╕Чр╕вр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╣Вр╕Зр╣Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓ р╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Ыр╕Пр╕┤р╕Ър╕▒р╕Хр╕┤р╕Бр╕▒р╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Др╕г р╕Др╕Щр╣Др╕Чр╕вр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╣Вр╕Зр╣Ир╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕нр╕З р╕Цр╣Йр╕▓р╕Др╕Щр╣Др╕Чр╕вр╕Ър╕▓р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕вр╕▒р╕Зр╕бр╕╡р╕Ыр╕▒р╕Нр╕Нр╕▓р╣Ар╕Йр╕╡р╕вр╕Ър╣Бр╕лр╕ер╕б р╕Ир╕░р╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Лр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕З р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╕нр╕▓р╕Ир╕Ир╕░р╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕Лр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Бр╣Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╕гр╕╣р╕Ыр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕З р╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕лр╕▓р╕вр╣Бр╕Бр╣Ир╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╕Хр╕гр╕Зр╣Др╕лр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Юр╕╕р╕Чр╕Шр╕ир╕▓р╕кр╕Щр╕▓р╣Ар╕Фр╕╡р╕вр╕зр╕Бр╕▒р╕Щ р╕Лр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕бр╕╡р╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╕Хр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ж р╕Бр╕▒р╕Щ р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╕гр╕╕р╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Юр╕п р╕Щр╕╡р╣Й р╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Ир╕░р╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕Ър╕┤р╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕вр╕┤р╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕в р╣Ср╣Рр╣Р р╣Ар╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щ р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╕Цр╕▓р╕Щр╕╡р╕нр╕▓р╕Бр╕▓р╕ир╕вр╕▓р╕Щр╕Ър╕┤р╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╕Бр╕гр╕╕р╕Зр╣Ар╕Чр╕Юр╕п р╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╣Ар╕кр╕╡р╕вр╕Юр╕▒р╕Щр╕Ър╕▓р╕Ч р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Ир╕░р╕Др╕ер╕▓р╕Щр╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕Ир╕░р╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕нр╕░р╣Др╕гр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕ер╣Ир╕▓ р╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕зр╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Ьр╕┤р╕Фр╣Гр╕Др╕гр╕Цр╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕ер╣Ир╕▓ р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╕Цр╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕Йр╕Юр╕▓р╕░р╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╕Хр╕Щр╣Ж р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╕╣р╕Цр╕╣р╕Б р╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╕╣р╕Цр╕╣р╕Бр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Ир╕░р╣Вр╕Зр╣И р╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Ир╕░р╕Вр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Бр╕зр╕╡р╕вр╕Щр╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Ир╕░р╕Вр╕╡р╣Ир╕гр╕Цр╕вр╕Щр╕Хр╣Мр╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Ир╕░р╕Др╕╖р╕Ър╕Др╕ер╕▓р╕Щр╣Др╕Ыр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Ыр╕ер╕┤р╕Зр╕лр╕гр╕╖р╕нр╕лр╕нр╕вр╕Чр╕▓р╕Бр╕Бр╣Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й р╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕Ыр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╣Ар╕Вр╕▓р╕Лр╕╡ р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╕Бр╣Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕зр╕┤р╕Шр╕╡р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Др╕Ыр╕Цр╕╢р╕Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Й…
(By the way, actually I have already posted those links in yr blog some months ago Hobby, another poem that touches on Buddhism is “Bangkok Never Really Sleeps”.)