Without access to arms, ammunition, money and other aid, the KNLA cannot exist as a fighting force.
The Thai military is strangling the KNLA in order to clear the way for its business dealings with the SPDC.
Now that the gloves are off, the KNLA has no reason to honor any agreements it had with the Thai military to leave alone the oil and gas pipelines, as well as the hydroelectric projects being constructed into Thailand from Burma. Destruction of those things would really and truly hurt the Thai’s, who are counting on them.
Besides battling the SPDC, the KNLA also acted as a buffer against the DKBA, which is smuggling narcotics and sex slaves across the border. When the DKBA begins to conduct incursions deeper into Thailand because the KNLA isn’t there to block them, perhaps then the Thai government will reconsider its position.
Have you read the letter? Perhaps you should carefully read it in the first place, before you make such a irrelevant comment. Does the letter said anything about ABOLISHING the LM? Does it mention anything threatening to your revered monachy? On the contrary, it rather meant well to the institution. It’s somebody else in your home soil who abused the LM , and pose threat to the reputation of the institution. Put aside the prejudice attitude and you will clearly see the real message conveyed.
As you sent your dissents about the nosy foreigner’s critics, you yourself did criticize others. If you really mean us to keep ourselves from your business, I would simply suggest you to pull out your internet plug, and stick your head in your self-admired glory of the opressed society and forget about the rest of the world.
If any bit of your conscience still contain some rationale, and ready to interact with the global society. Try to be more rational , I and most others here are ready to discuss with you intellectually.
I’m glad we have come to some conclusion, and very pleased that Prasit agrees with the proposal that LM laws should be reformed. Sorry to be repetitive, but I tend to agree with Nganadeeleg’s proposal that only the palace or perhaps the royal family should have the right to sue lese majeste charge against people deemed as insulting them. I wonder if Prasit and others have any further suggestions abt how LM laws can be reformed to ensure that it wouldn’t abused by politicians or anyone with ill intentions?? I agree that perhaps it’s also good to move on from Giles’s case to concentrate on the LM law itself , at least for the moment. I’d love to hear suggestions from people as to how this LM law can be amended to ensure justice and fair trial for those charged with violating it.
Given that Andrew Walker and Nicholas are given to making wisecracks about the monarchy on their blog, which seems to actively encourage anti-monarchy sentiment, how could anyone take this petition seriously?
Thai Studies “scholarship” really must be taken as a joke because it is monovocal. The humanities are supposed to encourage debate, no? Where is the debate?
I don’t believe that all academics share the opinions of this blog, especially in the more anti-monarchy tendencies, but where is the dissenting voice? Probably too afraid to speak out. Giles and other fashionable Marxist dysfunctionals will try to label them as fascists or some other nonsense.
Is lese majeste a popular law? Answer that question first.
The regression equation of demand for
outpatient services :
= 4.688 +2.033 (had health insuance)
+1.678 (age > 60 years) +1.431 (age <
12 years)+1.738(residence in zone9) –
0.009 (travelling time) +1.264 (chronic
illness)-1.375 (long aitingtime)+2.526
(marital status: widowed/separated divorced)
-0.147 (years of education) +1.747
(housewife or jobless)
This is the equation of demand of health service from one hospital which show that health insurance is the independent factor positively correlate with demand for health service, whereas severity is not the independent factor so it is not include in the equation.
There are another figure about the increase of inpatient is insignificant when compare with increase of outpaitents (Year report of universal health system).
If the increase of patients reflect the underlying public health problem than just shift the worried well out to see the doctor, severity of illness should relate to the increase and inpatients should increase proportionately.
It might be argued that patients come out to see patients from the very early phase of disease so treament is more effective and the number of inpatient has not change much.
But increase of 11% of outpatient use after UC has been launched, it is nearly impossible for deliver quality health care to prevent hospitalization due to budget and personnel shortage. So it is assumed that the number of inpatient doesn’t increase much because the increase of outpatients mainly come from the minor illness or worried well groups which do not need hospitalization or any health care at all.
However, prospective study about the reason of the patients come to see doctor should be conducted to address the problem clearly.
“The Enemy of Democracy: Lese Majeste in Thailand”
I have two questions:
1. Ananda Mahidol and Pridi Banomyong were working to pave the way for a democratic society in Siam. Ananda Mahidol suddenly was killed on June 9, 1946. Seeing the comments here, mostly trying to divert the issue to something else. I then ask whether time could change any intention. From the evidences, I do not see any possibility. Now in 2009, the military, the politicians, the bureaucrats, and the PAD activists, all are on the side of the monarchy. The concentration of power is really absolute sixty three years later. So when the intention is to concentrate the power, I don’t see any reason why power would eliminate a convenient tool like the lese majeste law.
2. When Sonthi Limthongkul said Phumipon Adulyadet should resign (can be seen on YouTube video), he did not get any lese majeste charge. When Giles Ungpakorn asked an academic question about the monarchy and the coup, he received the charge. Does Sonthi Limthongkul know something we do not know that made him hold a trump card to the point that power is afraid to touch him? I think Sondhi is untouchable beyond the connection to the queen. He must have held an important secret, he fears no one in Thailand. Sondhi’s newspaper “The Manager” severely attacked Giles Ungpakorn more than any other newspaper. Now Sondhi is going to form a political party, I don’t know where the country is heading to.
A person’s family rights, dignity, reputation or the right of privacy shall be protected.
The assertion or circulation of a statement or picture in any manner whatsoever to the public, which violates or affects a person’s family rights, dignity, reputation or the right of privacy, shall not be made except for the case which is beneficial to the public.
That’s why Giles can say that he do not love our king but he has no right to violate and affect HM dignity, reputation and privacy which has no benefits to our public at all.
A person can invoke human dignity or exercise his or her rights and liberties in so far as it is not in violation of rights and liberties of other persons or contrary to this Constitution or good morals.
A person whose rights and liberties recognised by this Constitution are violated can invoke the provisions of this Constitution to bring a lawsuit or to defend himself or herself in the court
And also the criminal law about the defame or insult law for general people.
LM is just expanded from the constitution and criminal law in too broad sense, that’s why we have to think about its changing.
But violation to others as Giles case should not be protect by any values, morals, constitution or any laws.
As Nietzshe said many noble ideals, especiallly those promoting love peace and harmony, are born in blood and violence-there is no reason to think Buddhism and ‘king of kings’ should be exempt
I agree with Joy that someone speak out as academic should be protected but I convince that Jiles did not do the academic work at all from listening to his last talk as the title of this work.
So you, I and many one from this thread agree in principle that this laws should be changed for prevent from abusively use of this laws.
But in my opinion, that’s not true that anyone could say anything without limitation until attack, defamed or insult others. We have freedome rights and we also have the responsibility not to affect other prople’s right too.
Therefore we should not raise giles to be the center of this themes or in other words, he is not worth enough as he can not give any better ideas about this laws than just say what he want without any respect to other people’s right not to bother with their country and dignity of royal family as general persons or as the head of the state by talking about domestic household things like gossip. (what a repetition)
I agree that LM should be reform because it is abusively use.
I do not agree that Taksin have any credit for the defective health system that he claim. UC is howver not involve with LM.
I do not agree that Giles have that right to say everything as he want because responsibility to the integrity of the community. He also have no right to evaluate difference culture in such non academic way.
The key is Anderson’s last sentence: “It is about getting out from under an oppressive system here.” Thank you, Anderson, for putting it succinctly. Also, it is good to see Noam Chomsky on the list. I am reminded of his great contributions to linguistics in the 1950’s. No doubt, this is surely a group of very sane people.
The police case might seem a bit more credible if they had not been firing massive volleys of explosive tear gas shells with clear intent to maim and kill and the person alleged to have been carrying a bomb made of plastic explosives had been a hard core PAD guard. Are home made ping pong bombs in Thailand really made from C4 anyway?
It is sad that the adoring farang Thaksinistas are reduced to supporting the credibility of Thai police. Perhaps the nine year old boy killed in Thaksin’s brave war against drugs shot himself too.
Nephrologist, I do appraciate yr post and comment. Many thanks. Honestly, I’m no fan of Thaksin and never want him to return to be Thai PM, and I don’t think I’m among the red-shirted people coz I don’t trust many of their leaders. I’m also aware of the numerous problems arising from the so-called ’30 baht project’, and many of Mr T’s ‘initiatives’ e.g. loans to rural villages etc. I’m also aware of Mr T’s authoritarianism and ruthless suppression of those suspected of being drug dealer. In short, I think Mr T is not suitable to be Thai PM.
Please do not feel that most people here support Thaksin or see what he did during his reign as justifiable. In fact, many posters here are severely against Thaksin and are very critical of his ‘superficial’ and ‘populist’ projects.
This thread, however, is in fact about Giles, and in my opinion, his right to speak out as an academic should be protected. People may not agree with everything he says, but I think he has the right to say it . Using the draconian law to shut up an academic or ordinary citizen to speak out is wrong. The respect and love for the Thai king should be respected but the draconian law will damage rather than enhance the prestige of the institution.
Neglected to mention that ASTV yesterday, besides its daily reminder about how good the monarchy is and how wonderful the lese majeste law is, went ahead and discussed the lokng list of foreign scholars that signed the list, reiterating that they were foreigners and “Golly, do they dare think our monarchy is like theirs?”
In a country where people are encouraged to keep down and avoid getting hit by flying socially-repugnant charges like lese majeste, this thing about not discussing the issue certainly shows differences, that’s for sure.
Handcuffing people and putting them in shackles might be fine for those members of Thai society who are willing to bend over and be raped, but for the others who don’t like it, ask yourselves whether you have the right to make others believe what you believe. That’s what this is all about, and because the truism is being vanguarded by foreigners Thai traditionalists see it as a foreigner-Thai issue which it is not. It is about getting out from under an oppressive system here.
This is one of the research about the quality of heath care project.
A small mirror for poor planning before launch program.
The purposes of this research were to study and compare the doctors’ and nurses’ in Prachin Buri province on the effectiveness of Thirty Baht Cure All Project classified by the doctors’ and nurses’ backgrounds. The method of the study was carried through a surveying technique. The questionnaire with 0.86 reliability was used for data collection. Data were analyzed by using percentage, mean, standard deviation, t-test and F-test. The finding revealed that the sample consisted of 257 doctors and nurses. Majority were nurses, age under 30 years, working experience 11-20 years with Prachinburi Provice as hometown. Doctors’ and Nurses’ opinions on the effectiveness of Thirty Baht Cure-All Project considered as a whole was at middle level regarding quality and service, readiness and adjustment, capacity and efficiency as well as attitude and satisfaction. While the opinions on support and development was at low level. There was a difference opinions on project effectineness among those with different duties where as the doctors’ opinions on project effectiveness was at low level while the nurses’ was at middle level. There was also a difference opinions on project effectiveness among those with different job characters between nursing group and supporting group where as the nursing group’s was lower than the supporting group’s. There was a difference opinions on project effectiveness among those whose hometown were Prachin Buri and other provinces where as the Prachin Buri Province group was at middle level while the other provinces group was at low level. All aspects comparison was significantly different at 0.05 level. There was no different among those with different age and service year. The important obstacles to job performing were insufficient budget and the misunderstanding about right and project benefit both the people and the officers. The doctors’ and the nurses’ suggestions were the gold card service (Thirty Baht) provided to those low and middle income only and the public relation provided correct right usage to the people.
Once more a foreigners vs. us reasoning without logic. As a foreigner in Thailand, I can choose to keep a low profile and my mouth shut, or exercise my rights, the very same rights that Thai people have but most do not use them becuase in many cases they would end up dead. That’s the so-called acceptance you are talking of – acceptance of reality that society here forces on everyone that it can.
Besides the right to protest and advocate, there is the obligation to do so. Many of us foreigners have friends, relatives and family here in Thailand that are currently exposed to the same kind of arbitrary arrest and detention, as well as wrongful conviction under the lese majeste law, that people here are subject to. Being my brother’s keeper is not much of a Thai social value, though it is preached about in Thai Buddhism and not followed a lot. Safeguarding self and others from wrongful laws, actions and prison is an oblligation. It is also a right. So forget the foreigners nature of this, and since you seem to be Thai, waked up for once and smell the roses of responsibility.
I think you are disingenious more than I think because the talk start with Giles first and he did not bother to give talk about LM at all but he criticize the king with his anecdotal evidence and he deny that he is not Taksin supporter while he join the red shirts party. So it is expectedly that many one in the floor have to defend for theie beloved, revered king instead pay attention to the LM itself and you hardly tried to get people in the track while I state that that young man and Giles were both ad hominems equally but you were not able to control your speaker’s stance.
“But so far I’ve not seen any good arguments here for not providing universal healthcare of a high quality through progressive taxation.”
This show your disincretion or your careless to read through the discussion at all because I have state that already that I agree with these but it should not give back any credit to that ex-PM at all.
And I don’t have to give anymore objective data while the data given before is irrelevant to quality of health care and mislead and civil servants is a very broad group range from very basic function worker not just for Elite only. And case presented there is also the misunderstanding about coverage of UC at all, so it is not count for the good evidence. Accuracy is important for education and I think I have made clear cut between criticism and give the correction about the fact.
I think we come to the good track when ALex has mentioned until you come out for defend for your chair position, that I think it should problaby much better if only you are sincere enough and talk to your friend before the speech. I was expecting the good talk about the laws itself, but it is a bit disappointing when the speaker did not try to and so did the chair.
I’m eagerly awaiting Yudhisathira ‘s further views on healthcare as her/his posts reflect unbiased and well-informed line of thoughts. Thus I agree with Lee Jones when she remarks that :
“What is needed is some sort of objective data like the stuff posted earlier about how much is spent on mass vs. elite healthcare, such as, number of completed hospital episodes, cases people present with, etc, in order to really judge why people came to hospital and what they were actually treated for.”
I also want to stress that acessibility to high-quality and adequate healthcare should the basic right of all Thai citizens, NOT something that they need to beg from ‘highly benevolent’ figures.The status quo in Thai society, feudal mentality and related “Pooyai-Poo noi” attitude do more harm than good to democratic values in Thai society. Why do Thais have to be reminded repeatedly to be “grateful and humble” when they should instead be encouraged to establish civic virtues, respect for everyone as an equal, and responsibility toward society as a whole. Thais should be encouraged to see themselves as a citizen who has all the potential to contribute to society, not as ‘children’ who always have to be obedient and grateful to their parents or other “poo yai”? Showing respect to other people is one thing, being submissive, subservient is another matter.
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Without access to arms, ammunition, money and other aid, the KNLA cannot exist as a fighting force.
The Thai military is strangling the KNLA in order to clear the way for its business dealings with the SPDC.
Now that the gloves are off, the KNLA has no reason to honor any agreements it had with the Thai military to leave alone the oil and gas pipelines, as well as the hydroelectric projects being constructed into Thailand from Burma. Destruction of those things would really and truly hurt the Thai’s, who are counting on them.
Besides battling the SPDC, the KNLA also acted as a buffer against the DKBA, which is smuggling narcotics and sex slaves across the border. When the DKBA begins to conduct incursions deeper into Thailand because the KNLA isn’t there to block them, perhaps then the Thai government will reconsider its position.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
Dear Taro Mongkoltip
Have you read the letter? Perhaps you should carefully read it in the first place, before you make such a irrelevant comment. Does the letter said anything about ABOLISHING the LM? Does it mention anything threatening to your revered monachy? On the contrary, it rather meant well to the institution. It’s somebody else in your home soil who abused the LM , and pose threat to the reputation of the institution. Put aside the prejudice attitude and you will clearly see the real message conveyed.
As you sent your dissents about the nosy foreigner’s critics, you yourself did criticize others. If you really mean us to keep ourselves from your business, I would simply suggest you to pull out your internet plug, and stick your head in your self-admired glory of the opressed society and forget about the rest of the world.
If any bit of your conscience still contain some rationale, and ready to interact with the global society. Try to be more rational , I and most others here are ready to discuss with you intellectually.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
I’m glad we have come to some conclusion, and very pleased that Prasit agrees with the proposal that LM laws should be reformed. Sorry to be repetitive, but I tend to agree with Nganadeeleg’s proposal that only the palace or perhaps the royal family should have the right to sue lese majeste charge against people deemed as insulting them. I wonder if Prasit and others have any further suggestions abt how LM laws can be reformed to ensure that it wouldn’t abused by politicians or anyone with ill intentions?? I agree that perhaps it’s also good to move on from Giles’s case to concentrate on the LM law itself , at least for the moment. I’d love to hear suggestions from people as to how this LM law can be amended to ensure justice and fair trial for those charged with violating it.
“Nothing wrong with the lese majeste law”
Given that Andrew Walker and Nicholas are given to making wisecracks about the monarchy on their blog, which seems to actively encourage anti-monarchy sentiment, how could anyone take this petition seriously?
Thai Studies “scholarship” really must be taken as a joke because it is monovocal. The humanities are supposed to encourage debate, no? Where is the debate?
I don’t believe that all academics share the opinions of this blog, especially in the more anti-monarchy tendencies, but where is the dissenting voice? Probably too afraid to speak out. Giles and other fashionable Marxist dysfunctionals will try to label them as fascists or some other nonsense.
Is lese majeste a popular law? Answer that question first.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
The regression equation of demand for
outpatient services :
= 4.688 +2.033 (had health insuance)
+1.678 (age > 60 years) +1.431 (age <
12 years)+1.738(residence in zone9) –
0.009 (travelling time) +1.264 (chronic
illness)-1.375 (long aitingtime)+2.526
(marital status: widowed/separated divorced)
-0.147 (years of education) +1.747
(housewife or jobless)
This is the equation of demand of health service from one hospital which show that health insurance is the independent factor positively correlate with demand for health service, whereas severity is not the independent factor so it is not include in the equation.
There are another figure about the increase of inpatient is insignificant when compare with increase of outpaitents (Year report of universal health system).
If the increase of patients reflect the underlying public health problem than just shift the worried well out to see the doctor, severity of illness should relate to the increase and inpatients should increase proportionately.
It might be argued that patients come out to see patients from the very early phase of disease so treament is more effective and the number of inpatient has not change much.
But increase of 11% of outpatient use after UC has been launched, it is nearly impossible for deliver quality health care to prevent hospitalization due to budget and personnel shortage. So it is assumed that the number of inpatient doesn’t increase much because the increase of outpatients mainly come from the minor illness or worried well groups which do not need hospitalization or any health care at all.
However, prospective study about the reason of the patients come to see doctor should be conducted to address the problem clearly.
A level of debate
A quick response: wouldn’t a truly Buddhist ‘noble’ give all their money away to prove how truly ego-less and righteous they are?
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
“The Enemy of Democracy: Lese Majeste in Thailand”
I have two questions:
1. Ananda Mahidol and Pridi Banomyong were working to pave the way for a democratic society in Siam. Ananda Mahidol suddenly was killed on June 9, 1946. Seeing the comments here, mostly trying to divert the issue to something else. I then ask whether time could change any intention. From the evidences, I do not see any possibility. Now in 2009, the military, the politicians, the bureaucrats, and the PAD activists, all are on the side of the monarchy. The concentration of power is really absolute sixty three years later. So when the intention is to concentrate the power, I don’t see any reason why power would eliminate a convenient tool like the lese majeste law.
2. When Sonthi Limthongkul said Phumipon Adulyadet should resign (can be seen on YouTube video), he did not get any lese majeste charge. When Giles Ungpakorn asked an academic question about the monarchy and the coup, he received the charge. Does Sonthi Limthongkul know something we do not know that made him hold a trump card to the point that power is afraid to touch him? I think Sondhi is untouchable beyond the connection to the queen. He must have held an important secret, he fears no one in Thailand. Sondhi’s newspaper “The Manager” severely attacked Giles Ungpakorn more than any other newspaper. Now Sondhi is going to form a political party, I don’t know where the country is heading to.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
another section of Thai constitution
A person’s family rights, dignity, reputation or the right of privacy shall be protected.
The assertion or circulation of a statement or picture in any manner whatsoever to the public, which violates or affects a person’s family rights, dignity, reputation or the right of privacy, shall not be made except for the case which is beneficial to the public.
That’s why Giles can say that he do not love our king but he has no right to violate and affect HM dignity, reputation and privacy which has no benefits to our public at all.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Thai consitution
A person can invoke human dignity or exercise his or her rights and liberties in so far as it is not in violation of rights and liberties of other persons or contrary to this Constitution or good morals.
A person whose rights and liberties recognised by this Constitution are violated can invoke the provisions of this Constitution to bring a lawsuit or to defend himself or herself in the court
And also the criminal law about the defame or insult law for general people.
LM is just expanded from the constitution and criminal law in too broad sense, that’s why we have to think about its changing.
But violation to others as Giles case should not be protect by any values, morals, constitution or any laws.
Thailand: Love it or leave it
As Nietzshe said many noble ideals, especiallly those promoting love peace and harmony, are born in blood and violence-there is no reason to think Buddhism and ‘king of kings’ should be exempt
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
I agree with Joy that someone speak out as academic should be protected but I convince that Jiles did not do the academic work at all from listening to his last talk as the title of this work.
So you, I and many one from this thread agree in principle that this laws should be changed for prevent from abusively use of this laws.
But in my opinion, that’s not true that anyone could say anything without limitation until attack, defamed or insult others. We have freedome rights and we also have the responsibility not to affect other prople’s right too.
Therefore we should not raise giles to be the center of this themes or in other words, he is not worth enough as he can not give any better ideas about this laws than just say what he want without any respect to other people’s right not to bother with their country and dignity of royal family as general persons or as the head of the state by talking about domestic household things like gossip. (what a repetition)
I agree that LM should be reform because it is abusively use.
I do not agree that Taksin have any credit for the defective health system that he claim. UC is howver not involve with LM.
I do not agree that Giles have that right to say everything as he want because responsibility to the integrity of the community. He also have no right to evaluate difference culture in such non academic way.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
The key is Anderson’s last sentence: “It is about getting out from under an oppressive system here.” Thank you, Anderson, for putting it succinctly. Also, it is good to see Noam Chomsky on the list. I am reminded of his great contributions to linguistics in the 1950’s. No doubt, this is surely a group of very sane people.
What happened on 7/10/2008?
The police case might seem a bit more credible if they had not been firing massive volleys of explosive tear gas shells with clear intent to maim and kill and the person alleged to have been carrying a bomb made of plastic explosives had been a hard core PAD guard. Are home made ping pong bombs in Thailand really made from C4 anyway?
It is sad that the adoring farang Thaksinistas are reduced to supporting the credibility of Thai police. Perhaps the nine year old boy killed in Thaksin’s brave war against drugs shot himself too.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Nephrologist, I do appraciate yr post and comment. Many thanks. Honestly, I’m no fan of Thaksin and never want him to return to be Thai PM, and I don’t think I’m among the red-shirted people coz I don’t trust many of their leaders. I’m also aware of the numerous problems arising from the so-called ’30 baht project’, and many of Mr T’s ‘initiatives’ e.g. loans to rural villages etc. I’m also aware of Mr T’s authoritarianism and ruthless suppression of those suspected of being drug dealer. In short, I think Mr T is not suitable to be Thai PM.
Please do not feel that most people here support Thaksin or see what he did during his reign as justifiable. In fact, many posters here are severely against Thaksin and are very critical of his ‘superficial’ and ‘populist’ projects.
This thread, however, is in fact about Giles, and in my opinion, his right to speak out as an academic should be protected. People may not agree with everything he says, but I think he has the right to say it . Using the draconian law to shut up an academic or ordinary citizen to speak out is wrong. The respect and love for the Thai king should be respected but the draconian law will damage rather than enhance the prestige of the institution.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
Neglected to mention that ASTV yesterday, besides its daily reminder about how good the monarchy is and how wonderful the lese majeste law is, went ahead and discussed the lokng list of foreign scholars that signed the list, reiterating that they were foreigners and “Golly, do they dare think our monarchy is like theirs?”
In a country where people are encouraged to keep down and avoid getting hit by flying socially-repugnant charges like lese majeste, this thing about not discussing the issue certainly shows differences, that’s for sure.
Handcuffing people and putting them in shackles might be fine for those members of Thai society who are willing to bend over and be raped, but for the others who don’t like it, ask yourselves whether you have the right to make others believe what you believe. That’s what this is all about, and because the truism is being vanguarded by foreigners Thai traditionalists see it as a foreigner-Thai issue which it is not. It is about getting out from under an oppressive system here.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
This is one of the research about the quality of heath care project.
A small mirror for poor planning before launch program.
The purposes of this research were to study and compare the doctors’ and nurses’ in Prachin Buri province on the effectiveness of Thirty Baht Cure All Project classified by the doctors’ and nurses’ backgrounds. The method of the study was carried through a surveying technique. The questionnaire with 0.86 reliability was used for data collection. Data were analyzed by using percentage, mean, standard deviation, t-test and F-test. The finding revealed that the sample consisted of 257 doctors and nurses. Majority were nurses, age under 30 years, working experience 11-20 years with Prachinburi Provice as hometown. Doctors’ and Nurses’ opinions on the effectiveness of Thirty Baht Cure-All Project considered as a whole was at middle level regarding quality and service, readiness and adjustment, capacity and efficiency as well as attitude and satisfaction. While the opinions on support and development was at low level. There was a difference opinions on project effectineness among those with different duties where as the doctors’ opinions on project effectiveness was at low level while the nurses’ was at middle level. There was also a difference opinions on project effectiveness among those with different job characters between nursing group and supporting group where as the nursing group’s was lower than the supporting group’s. There was a difference opinions on project effectiveness among those whose hometown were Prachin Buri and other provinces where as the Prachin Buri Province group was at middle level while the other provinces group was at low level. All aspects comparison was significantly different at 0.05 level. There was no different among those with different age and service year. The important obstacles to job performing were insufficient budget and the misunderstanding about right and project benefit both the people and the officers. The doctors’ and the nurses’ suggestions were the gold card service (Thirty Baht) provided to those low and middle income only and the public relation provided correct right usage to the people.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
Once more a foreigners vs. us reasoning without logic. As a foreigner in Thailand, I can choose to keep a low profile and my mouth shut, or exercise my rights, the very same rights that Thai people have but most do not use them becuase in many cases they would end up dead. That’s the so-called acceptance you are talking of – acceptance of reality that society here forces on everyone that it can.
Besides the right to protest and advocate, there is the obligation to do so. Many of us foreigners have friends, relatives and family here in Thailand that are currently exposed to the same kind of arbitrary arrest and detention, as well as wrongful conviction under the lese majeste law, that people here are subject to. Being my brother’s keeper is not much of a Thai social value, though it is preached about in Thai Buddhism and not followed a lot. Safeguarding self and others from wrongful laws, actions and prison is an oblligation. It is also a right. So forget the foreigners nature of this, and since you seem to be Thai, waked up for once and smell the roses of responsibility.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
I think you are disingenious more than I think because the talk start with Giles first and he did not bother to give talk about LM at all but he criticize the king with his anecdotal evidence and he deny that he is not Taksin supporter while he join the red shirts party. So it is expectedly that many one in the floor have to defend for theie beloved, revered king instead pay attention to the LM itself and you hardly tried to get people in the track while I state that that young man and Giles were both ad hominems equally but you were not able to control your speaker’s stance.
“But so far I’ve not seen any good arguments here for not providing universal healthcare of a high quality through progressive taxation.”
This show your disincretion or your careless to read through the discussion at all because I have state that already that I agree with these but it should not give back any credit to that ex-PM at all.
And I don’t have to give anymore objective data while the data given before is irrelevant to quality of health care and mislead and civil servants is a very broad group range from very basic function worker not just for Elite only. And case presented there is also the misunderstanding about coverage of UC at all, so it is not count for the good evidence. Accuracy is important for education and I think I have made clear cut between criticism and give the correction about the fact.
I think we come to the good track when ALex has mentioned until you come out for defend for your chair position, that I think it should problaby much better if only you are sincere enough and talk to your friend before the speech. I was expecting the good talk about the laws itself, but it is a bit disappointing when the speaker did not try to and so did the chair.
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I’m eagerly awaiting Yudhisathira ‘s further views on healthcare as her/his posts reflect unbiased and well-informed line of thoughts. Thus I agree with Lee Jones when she remarks that :
“What is needed is some sort of objective data like the stuff posted earlier about how much is spent on mass vs. elite healthcare, such as, number of completed hospital episodes, cases people present with, etc, in order to really judge why people came to hospital and what they were actually treated for.”
I also want to stress that acessibility to high-quality and adequate healthcare should the basic right of all Thai citizens, NOT something that they need to beg from ‘highly benevolent’ figures.The status quo in Thai society, feudal mentality and related “Pooyai-Poo noi” attitude do more harm than good to democratic values in Thai society. Why do Thais have to be reminded repeatedly to be “grateful and humble” when they should instead be encouraged to establish civic virtues, respect for everyone as an equal, and responsibility toward society as a whole. Thais should be encouraged to see themselves as a citizen who has all the potential to contribute to society, not as ‘children’ who always have to be obedient and grateful to their parents or other “poo yai”? Showing respect to other people is one thing, being submissive, subservient is another matter.
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