Not sure what you mean by “official.” However, a few months ago, Matichon had a half-page article on the crime page quoting from the police’ investigation report. According to this report, the guy died while trying to remove a number of bombs from the jeep. Both hands were apparently evaporated by the explosion; one leg was still in the car, while the rest of the body was thrown on the pavement (quoting from my memory). PAD still considers him a “hero.”
Quite a way to talk about one of the most influential schools of linguistics this century. It’s not quite my cup of tea, but it’s certainly not ‘pseudo-linguistic’.
Added to that, of course, is the fact that UG has very little to do with the teaching of language, being primarily concerned with how children acquire their first language. Quite why a Chomskyan linguist would be worse than, say, a physics graduate (or indeed any other subject which has essentially nothing to do with education or teaching), escapes me.
Oral Roberts probably wouldn’t fit your sterotype of what Oral Roberts is either (ORU is in my home town and I know graduates from the place), but that doesn’t mean Baylor isn’t a 2nd rate Baptist college. OK, maybe it is a 1st rate one, but not too sure that would be the place I’d be looking for teacher for a future King. Maybe some Oxford bum not already engaged in teaching the rural poor might be a better choice. It is true that not all Texans are ignorant, but enough of them were to give us Dubya, so you’ve got to take that in to consideration. Besides, Baylor has a 2nd rate American football team. A future king at least deserves a Longhorn.
Perhaps you should READ the letter carefully before making such a out- of – the topic comment. It never said ABOLISHING the LM. It said AMENDING and preventing from being abused for political purposes. There’s no single word that pose a threat to the instution so revered by all Thais, on the contrary , it meant well to the instution, and calling for stop dragging the instution into the political mess. If you have troubles with the letter, find the Thai version.
The overwhelmed responses from the underprevileged to the volunteer doctor project simply reveal the “inaccessibility” to healthcare services. That’s the reason why Thaksin’s “universal healthcare” was so much welcomed by all. Even the Democrat and Prasit can deny it. Yet there’re plenty flaws in the prgram need to be fixed. Just like other political conflicts created by Thaksin, that need amendments. One thing for sure, the coup and the”undemocratic” ways like PAD, was sure NOT the cure for this country. It’s a curse!
I have just read the article Red Siam Manisfesto by Giles Ungpakorn. He is definitely a home grown Siamese with great insight.
Read Siam Manisfesto is so similar to the US Democrat Party or even the Republican Party platform. It is also similar to the UK and Australian Labor Party platform.
Thai people have been oppressed for too long. We want change!
We stand up for our rights, liberty and freedom, just like citizens in other countries.
Totally agree with Yudhisathira. At least one evidence of “proper” education can be seen here! Congratulation.
Loads of evidence about the charities given to the underprivileged in remote areas can be seen televised daily. Is anyone aware that large part of the funds given, came from the government budgets. For the volunteer doctor projects, it’s originally aimed to be a part of the anticommunist propaganda in the cold war period. It’s mainly a psychological strategy. Imagine , a doctor versus one or two hundred patients in a half day period! That’s impossibly considered a proper medical service, though came out of a good intention. Ask any one who had first hand experience in the project, you will get the same pictures.
“The opportunity for Baylor graduates to teach in Thailand is now entering its 15th year. “We remain the only university in the country that has this many positions reserved for our graduates at the most prestigious schools in all of Thailand,” Mueller said.”
Obviously someone thinks their graduates are doing a good job.
As for the sarcastic ‘happy clapper’ reference above… a bit of a look around the Baylor website should dispel the idea that this is some kind of Oral Roberts Bible College… it’s a real university – certainly better than any in Thailand (almost by default).
Best lose the notion of Texans all being ignorant mumblers or all Baptists being ditto. I am neither, but I suggest Thanaka go compare absolute GDPs for Kingdom of Thailand and just the state of Texas and go figure.
I’ve no doubt you won’t find the likes of Newman or Jowett in the Balliol common room at Baylor – but you’re dreaming if you think you’d find them at Harvard or Stanford these days either – you might, however manage to get some impressive Ivy League education graduate full of dodgy Chomskian pseudo-linguistic theories who could teach your child how NOT to be able to read properly by the age of 10 in the most approved manner.
As for precisely why Baylor – well that should be bleedingly obvious: Some present day Phuyai went to Baylor on some kind of government educational scholarship years back and having climbed up in the C-ranks and collected a swag of tin medals is doing what all Thais do automatically – favouring the institutions they attended in the past.
Amberwaves > In the article linked by michael in post 104, Central Institute of Forensic Science director Pornthip Rojanasunan, who was quoted without condition of anonymity, made a convincing case that the substance found by police on Angkhana’s clothing could also have been found as a result of her being struck by the explosive component of the tear gas grenades used by police that were design to explode on impact in order to maim and kill in addition to releasing gas. Strangly enough no police spokesman, named or anonymous, has been able to find any trace of who ordered these weapons or, indeed, that the police ever had them at all but had them they did.
Jason, Thank you for giving me a feed back. Actually, I mean the opposite to what you understood. In other words, I have the same position as yours on the issue. I guess next time when I write I should elaborate my point more instead of assuming the reader will understand what I mean.
I am 100% against oppressive authoritarian cruel lese majeste law.
I was indifferent about politics earlier till I see injustice happened to good patriot Thai people. Since then I have been expressing my views against this cruelty. You can read my views in other articles in the New Mandala. I feel very painful to see those who fight to better other people life be shakled in Thai prison. They received emotional stress beyond describable for trying to lift up the life of others.
I follow news about their lives especially Dar Torpedo, Thanapol Eawsakul, Suwicha Thakor, Chotisak Onsoong, Nakbangsai, Boonyuen Prasertying, Jakrapob Penkair, Giles Ungpakorn. I respect, admire, and worry about them.
They all are my hero!
I stand by them and I will fight for them!
Yudhisathira, I only want to say that I’m very grateful for yr very professional, rational and balanced views. Many thanks, and I look forward to see more of yrs and Prasit’s exchange of views.
Could someone elucidate the Baylor connection? Seems incredibly strange that royal family teaching positions were only open to graduates of some happy clapper family school in Waco, Texas? I don’t know very much yet, but man I love Thai politics!
1. The overwhelming amount of the patients coming to hospitals after UC projects has been initiated is not the false of UC project itself. The difference between numbers of the patients who visit hospitals before and after the initiation of UC project reflects how poor our country’s healthcare system were because it showed that so many patients had been neglected because they could not offer more than 30 Bahts for their crippled health, and I had experience cases whom their relatives would had to loan from illegal sources (Sure, interest rate is about 20% per month) or the hospital had to pay from their own budget in order to pay for their medication and/or surgery [These cases are not Thai citizen, though]. In the case I had experienced myself, without their relatives present, Staffs of the hospital decide to let them die even the patient became comatosed due to uremia only because they did not know who would pay for his dialysis [He is not Thai citizen too!]. I dare not to imagine that these could be happened to our fellow Thai citizen too if UC project does not exist.
2. Yes, it is the culture in our country that people (esp. in lower socioeconomic class) show much respect to Doctors because our forerunner, especially Prince Songkhla Nakarin or “Prince Father” [He is the father of King Rama VIII and IX] had done great jobs, but if you can remember his biography, he always stressed egalitarian value of doctors and patients ( More correctly, in every citizen, as he had let student who recieved his scholarship sleep on the bed whereas he sleep on the floor when he travelled to America together because “We are in Democratic country”). When he graduated MD cum laude from Harvard and returned to Thailand, He could not practice freely in Siriraj hospital due to his royal status and the pressure from those in the palace during that time. So he had to practice in a missionary hospital in Chiang Mai instead. If we had Prince father in our mind, we must erase our feudalistic thought as the “Savior”, and start to think that the poor owe us everything directly in the form of Tax and VAT [the Source of our salary]which is the most important revenue of Thailand (as the poor pay most of the VAT) and indirectly in the form of money of the rich paid for us because they exploited much of their fortune from the poor.
3. We don’t have to use any epidemiology to assess our military budget, we can use a common sense that during an economic recession (from internal factors likes political turmoil and capturing Suvarnabhumi airport and external factors), should arm forces double their spending about double fold (from about 80,000 million baht in 2006 to 160,000 million baht in 2009) when there is no conceivable major threat? (If you are going to count Southern insurgency, it is actually the political war not the military war, you cannot win this war without trust from people in the area, not weapons.)
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What happened on 7/10/2008?
amberwaves:
Not sure what you mean by “official.” However, a few months ago, Matichon had a half-page article on the crime page quoting from the police’ investigation report. According to this report, the guy died while trying to remove a number of bombs from the jeep. Both hands were apparently evaporated by the explosion; one leg was still in the car, while the rest of the body was thrown on the pavement (quoting from my memory). PAD still considers him a “hero.”
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
Are you hoping for another Rasputin?
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Red Siam Manifesto
“We must have freedom of expression and the freedom to choose our own government without repression and fear.”
Just google “Red Siam Manifesto” then the article will come up.
Read it! It is good for our brain!
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
“Chomskyan pseudo-linguistic”?
Quite a way to talk about one of the most influential schools of linguistics this century. It’s not quite my cup of tea, but it’s certainly not ‘pseudo-linguistic’.
Added to that, of course, is the fact that UG has very little to do with the teaching of language, being primarily concerned with how children acquire their first language. Quite why a Chomskyan linguist would be worse than, say, a physics graduate (or indeed any other subject which has essentially nothing to do with education or teaching), escapes me.
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
Oral Roberts probably wouldn’t fit your sterotype of what Oral Roberts is either (ORU is in my home town and I know graduates from the place), but that doesn’t mean Baylor isn’t a 2nd rate Baptist college. OK, maybe it is a 1st rate one, but not too sure that would be the place I’d be looking for teacher for a future King. Maybe some Oxford bum not already engaged in teaching the rural poor might be a better choice. It is true that not all Texans are ignorant, but enough of them were to give us Dubya, so you’ve got to take that in to consideration. Besides, Baylor has a 2nd rate American football team. A future king at least deserves a Longhorn.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
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International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
Wukong:
Perhaps you should READ the letter carefully before making such a out- of – the topic comment. It never said ABOLISHING the LM. It said AMENDING and preventing from being abused for political purposes. There’s no single word that pose a threat to the instution so revered by all Thais, on the contrary , it meant well to the instution, and calling for stop dragging the instution into the political mess. If you have troubles with the letter, find the Thai version.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
The overwhelmed responses from the underprevileged to the volunteer doctor project simply reveal the “inaccessibility” to healthcare services. That’s the reason why Thaksin’s “universal healthcare” was so much welcomed by all. Even the Democrat and Prasit can deny it. Yet there’re plenty flaws in the prgram need to be fixed. Just like other political conflicts created by Thaksin, that need amendments. One thing for sure, the coup and the”undemocratic” ways like PAD, was sure NOT the cure for this country. It’s a curse!
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
I have just read the article Red Siam Manisfesto by Giles Ungpakorn. He is definitely a home grown Siamese with great insight.
Read Siam Manisfesto is so similar to the US Democrat Party or even the Republican Party platform. It is also similar to the UK and Australian Labor Party platform.
Thai people have been oppressed for too long. We want change!
We stand up for our rights, liberty and freedom, just like citizens in other countries.
I follow Giles’ leadership!
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Totally agree with Yudhisathira. At least one evidence of “proper” education can be seen here! Congratulation.
Loads of evidence about the charities given to the underprivileged in remote areas can be seen televised daily. Is anyone aware that large part of the funds given, came from the government budgets. For the volunteer doctor projects, it’s originally aimed to be a part of the anticommunist propaganda in the cold war period. It’s mainly a psychological strategy. Imagine , a doctor versus one or two hundred patients in a half day period! That’s impossibly considered a proper medical service, though came out of a good intention. Ask any one who had first hand experience in the project, you will get the same pictures.
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
“The opportunity for Baylor graduates to teach in Thailand is now entering its 15th year. “We remain the only university in the country that has this many positions reserved for our graduates at the most prestigious schools in all of Thailand,” Mueller said.”
Obviously someone thinks their graduates are doing a good job.
As for the sarcastic ‘happy clapper’ reference above… a bit of a look around the Baylor website should dispel the idea that this is some kind of Oral Roberts Bible College… it’s a real university – certainly better than any in Thailand (almost by default).
Best lose the notion of Texans all being ignorant mumblers or all Baptists being ditto. I am neither, but I suggest Thanaka go compare absolute GDPs for Kingdom of Thailand and just the state of Texas and go figure.
I’ve no doubt you won’t find the likes of Newman or Jowett in the Balliol common room at Baylor – but you’re dreaming if you think you’d find them at Harvard or Stanford these days either – you might, however manage to get some impressive Ivy League education graduate full of dodgy Chomskian pseudo-linguistic theories who could teach your child how NOT to be able to read properly by the age of 10 in the most approved manner.
As for precisely why Baylor – well that should be bleedingly obvious: Some present day Phuyai went to Baylor on some kind of government educational scholarship years back and having climbed up in the C-ranks and collected a swag of tin medals is doing what all Thais do automatically – favouring the institutions they attended in the past.
What happened on 7/10/2008?
Amberwaves > In the article linked by michael in post 104, Central Institute of Forensic Science director Pornthip Rojanasunan, who was quoted without condition of anonymity, made a convincing case that the substance found by police on Angkhana’s clothing could also have been found as a result of her being struck by the explosive component of the tear gas grenades used by police that were design to explode on impact in order to maim and kill in addition to releasing gas. Strangly enough no police spokesman, named or anonymous, has been able to find any trace of who ordered these weapons or, indeed, that the police ever had them at all but had them they did.
On lèse majesté
Jason, Thank you for giving me a feed back. Actually, I mean the opposite to what you understood. In other words, I have the same position as yours on the issue. I guess next time when I write I should elaborate my point more instead of assuming the reader will understand what I mean.
I am 100% against oppressive authoritarian cruel lese majeste law.
I was indifferent about politics earlier till I see injustice happened to good patriot Thai people. Since then I have been expressing my views against this cruelty. You can read my views in other articles in the New Mandala. I feel very painful to see those who fight to better other people life be shakled in Thai prison. They received emotional stress beyond describable for trying to lift up the life of others.
I follow news about their lives especially Dar Torpedo, Thanapol Eawsakul, Suwicha Thakor, Chotisak Onsoong, Nakbangsai, Boonyuen Prasertying, Jakrapob Penkair, Giles Ungpakorn. I respect, admire, and worry about them.
They all are my hero!
I stand by them and I will fight for them!
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Yudhisathira, I only want to say that I’m very grateful for yr very professional, rational and balanced views. Many thanks, and I look forward to see more of yrs and Prasit’s exchange of views.
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
Many thanks to DTM , for your link and your nice work.
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
bizarre!
Could someone elucidate the Baylor connection? Seems incredibly strange that royal family teaching positions were only open to graduates of some happy clapper family school in Waco, Texas? I don’t know very much yet, but man I love Thai politics!
Positions teaching “the future king of Thailand”
I don’t get it. Chitrlada employs graduates from Harvard, Stanford, Cornell, Cambridge, the best universities in the world.
And yet “the future king of Thailand” gets a Texan freshly graduated from a 2nd rate Baptist college as his personal tutor?
No disrespect to any Baylor graduates, but you’d think that the palace would have higher standards than this.
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Der Mr Prasit
I am going to discuss some of the points:
1. The overwhelming amount of the patients coming to hospitals after UC projects has been initiated is not the false of UC project itself. The difference between numbers of the patients who visit hospitals before and after the initiation of UC project reflects how poor our country’s healthcare system were because it showed that so many patients had been neglected because they could not offer more than 30 Bahts for their crippled health, and I had experience cases whom their relatives would had to loan from illegal sources (Sure, interest rate is about 20% per month) or the hospital had to pay from their own budget in order to pay for their medication and/or surgery [These cases are not Thai citizen, though]. In the case I had experienced myself, without their relatives present, Staffs of the hospital decide to let them die even the patient became comatosed due to uremia only because they did not know who would pay for his dialysis [He is not Thai citizen too!]. I dare not to imagine that these could be happened to our fellow Thai citizen too if UC project does not exist.
2. Yes, it is the culture in our country that people (esp. in lower socioeconomic class) show much respect to Doctors because our forerunner, especially Prince Songkhla Nakarin or “Prince Father” [He is the father of King Rama VIII and IX] had done great jobs, but if you can remember his biography, he always stressed egalitarian value of doctors and patients ( More correctly, in every citizen, as he had let student who recieved his scholarship sleep on the bed whereas he sleep on the floor when he travelled to America together because “We are in Democratic country”). When he graduated MD cum laude from Harvard and returned to Thailand, He could not practice freely in Siriraj hospital due to his royal status and the pressure from those in the palace during that time. So he had to practice in a missionary hospital in Chiang Mai instead. If we had Prince father in our mind, we must erase our feudalistic thought as the “Savior”, and start to think that the poor owe us everything directly in the form of Tax and VAT [the Source of our salary]which is the most important revenue of Thailand (as the poor pay most of the VAT) and indirectly in the form of money of the rich paid for us because they exploited much of their fortune from the poor.
3. We don’t have to use any epidemiology to assess our military budget, we can use a common sense that during an economic recession (from internal factors likes political turmoil and capturing Suvarnabhumi airport and external factors), should arm forces double their spending about double fold (from about 80,000 million baht in 2006 to 160,000 million baht in 2009) when there is no conceivable major threat? (If you are going to count Southern insurgency, it is actually the political war not the military war, you cannot win this war without trust from people in the area, not weapons.)
International scholars call for reform of Thailand’s lese majeste law
“It has been successful for a long time ”
The truth of that statement depends entirely on how “successful” is defined.
“Now obviously he doesn’t need it ”
The Justice Minister appears to hold a rather different opinion.
“Just think what they would say out loud without the lese majeste law!”
The truth, perhaps?
Report on “Lèse Majesté in Thailand: The Enemy of Democracy”
Yeah at last we came to quite the same and keep on the track again that LM should be amended. That’s the point.
Nothing else to do with Jiles case, I convince.