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  1. Johpa Deumlaokeng says:

    My own observations over the past 25 years is in agreement that eviction is not a high risk for highland folks, but that the hill folks probably have the same risk as other rural inhabitants when the intersection of local politics and greed conspire to create economic opportunity for specific individuals who are far higher up the food chain.

    I remember one case of an Akha village being emptied and the inhabitants being trucked to the Burmese border back in the mid 1980s. The village was inside Chiang Rai province, north of the Kok River. I was living in the nearby Amphoe Thaton, Chiang Mai Province at the time. I apologize I do not remember the name of the settlement, the names of the Akha settlements often being the name of the titular village headman.

    What was notable was that the eviction occurred around October, the harvest season. The Akha inhabitants were simply loaded into trucks and taken to the border and ordered to walk into Burma. The evictors, enabled by Chiang Rai’s provincial governor, were not military per se, but members of local village defense forces, in other words Thai villagers, who had been well fortified with lao khao (cheap Thai whiskey) and were the ones who made off with the fruits of the harvest and the few household goods as payments for their efforts, along with the free drinks.

    On the other hand, similar Akha villages at that time did not get evicted. I do not know what motivated the governor of Chiang Rai to evict that specific village. And, at about the same period of time, the Thai government established an Akha refugee village at the small Forestry Camp of Huai Sala, along the main road from Thaton to Mae Salong, not far from the well studied Shan village of Mok Cham along the Kok River.

    Look around the highway outside of Thaton going towards Mok Cham and you see many citrus orchards where there once were but small farmers who were similarly evicted from their admittedly poorly documented lands. I have no proof, but I believe the brutal murder of my friend, the former Thaton district head, Kamnaan Seng, was connected to these land issues.

    Where there are land issues, where there is local politics and greed intersecting, then evictions, the Thai version of eminent domain, seem to occur, but I have not seen this happen systematically.

  2. jonfernquest says:

    These projects seem set up to be “told you so” sort of projects from the start, reminiscent of the Hayek debate over state-planned economy and market guided economies.

    How can you make the assumption that some complex bureaucratic process is going to replace individual initiative with a plan to meet all contingencies. Why didn’t they give them a lump sum settlement and set them on their way?

  3. Bounmy Kambung says:

    Bond’s prestige and the magic of development

    One does not have to believe in conspiracy theories and vested interests to realise that there is an entire multi-billion dollar industry operating in Laos and elsewhere that relies primarily on the internal logic of a special language it has created in its report documentation and a special procedural performance it has created to carry out its projects that serve to justify its existence.

    It is a common observation that the things people say very rarely match with the things that people do. Despite this, people want to believe that there is a connection. In Christopher Priest’s, The Prestige, a successful magic trick has three parts – the pledge, the turn, and the prestige. The pledge is the set up. The turn is the performance of the trick. The prestige is the effect of the trick. There are so many ways to go about these stages, so many methods used to set up and perform the magic trick and these can be squabbled over, changed and mastered. One thing, however is tantamount: the trick, while unbelievable on the face of it, must be believed, even if only for a second. People must believe that one man travelled twenty metres in two seconds (in one door and out another) or that a bird and a cage actually vanished with the bird reappearing behind the magician’s back. And this is the real magic, the real prestige, the real ‘effect’ of the trick – it makes people ‘want’ to believe the impossible. They know it cannot be ‘real’ and, in fact, they also know that they do not want to know the reality of the trick (of the bird being crushed in the cage, or the use of a double) because it would destroy their interest.

    A good deal of international development is rather similar. Those involved know deep down inside that what is being promised is impossible, but continue to to squabble over, search for and master the right formula, the right special language, the right performance. If it is attained, then enough people are willing to believe that the impossible has actually happened and enough people are prepared to ignore the reality of suffering and charade that lies behind the prestige. Magic is a science.

    Patrons and pushers of development know full well that any sustained empirical analysis of the impact of many of the industry’s activities would show that the language and performances do not match with the material outcomes of these activities. Yet quite a few of them are genuine in their belief that their activities are having a positive impact, even if not the intended one. The history of hydropower projects and the lessons they could provide, and the actually existing current circumstances of the people trying to live alongside Nam Theun Two quite simply do not matter. This is not to argue that there is nothing outside the text or the performance. For one thing, there is a shite load of money to be made outside of the text and the performance and many people stand to lose this money if the prestige fails. But people also stand to lose the hope that the projects that this prestige supports are widely beneficial. Enough people in Laos want to sustain this hope, and are willing to turn a blind eye toward those who have been disenfranchised by the project.

    Bond’s speach reads like a fairly superficial thing in itself, with some warm fuzzy bits, which is its intent. The bit about consultation sounds like it was taken out of the introduction to an impact assessment manual (perhaps one written by the World Bank).

  4. aiontay says:

    I worked with Burmese agronomists; they’re incredible people, but as Stephen pointed out, the military constantly interfers with their good work.

    Hla Oo, do you have a source that you can provide for your assertion Burma lags just a bit behind Thailand? I think there are several countries that would better qualify for that position.

  5. Hla Oo says:

    Definitely the agricultural situations in the war-torn areas namely the border regions of Karen and Shan States are starkly different from the peaceful Delta and Central or Upper Burma. As I mentioned as my own personal experience in a previous post the Burmese farmers in the Proper Burma know exactly where they stand when it comes to the permanent and transferable tenancy of their own plots of land.

    Forced labor and military checkpoints situations are directly related to the outgoing civil war, and for the conflict’s various participants it is almost totally impossible to get rid of as long as the war is going on in that war-torn areas.

    I used to work as an Irrigation Engineer for the Ministry of Agriculture and, even though the ministers and various heads of departments are the army or ex-army officers, the ministry is run by the professionals as in any other countries. Agricultural extensions offices are in every townships and Burma has a specialized agricultural university and agricultural research institute.

    When it comes to tactical reforms in Burma, Burmese agronomists know better than anyone else. Where I come from some farmers even have crops growing in every season. Paddy in the rainy season, jute in the summer, gluttonous rice in the winter. All thanks to the efforts and supports of these well-learned government agronomists.

    My point is the strategic agricultural reform of the redistribution of agricultural land has already been completed since 40 years ago in Burma and the result is the food-self-sufficiency and the ample export of excess produce to neighboring countries.

    Once the sanctions are removed Burmese farmers will be able to send the rice and other agricultural produce exports to the west like seemingly democratic Thais and still Communist Vietnamese are doing now.

    Burma used to be the biggest exporter of rice and now, even with all the current troubles and a nasty civil war she is just lagging a bit just behind Thailand the current biggest rice exporter on this planet.

  6. Moe Aung says:

    Here we go again, Jon’s broken record, stuck in a rut, namely his reductionist version of economic determinism, never mind the choices the rulers make or deny, the priorities they set themselves for themselves. If Sharp serves the purpose, a means to an end, it certainly is a valuable asset. Both Sinn Fein and the Mahatma inspired the Burmese independence movement. All options should be considered.

  7. aiontay says:

    I’m not sure if I’m a learned American or just an opinionated one, but here are some comments based on my limited experience working on an agricultural project in a Kachin-majority area of the Shan State (which may not be relevant to the situation in Central Burma).

    First, the land tenure situation isn’t as straightforward as you seem to think, Hla Oo. While it is true that practically speaking in day to day affairs the land is in the hands of the farmers, as Stephen has noted in another discussion, the state still technically owns the land. Add to this a clear pattern of confiscation of land without compensation by the military, and you have a situation where the farmers are always looking over their shoulders with uncertainty, which is not conducive to agricultural production. Furthermore, virtually all the villages I worked with had been forcibly relocated, in some instances multiple times, due to the military’s “Four Cuts” campaigns. In one instance villagers had spend an entire day walking to their agricultural fields from the area they had been relocated. Needless to say, this had severe negative impacts on their agricultural production. So the issue isn’t whether land tenure is communalized or privatized, but that land tenure is always uncertain and at the mercy of the military’s agrarian agenda.

    I think Stephen also is correct in the basic reforms he thinks are needed for a start, although I would point out that in fairness to the military regime, they are not the only group to demand forced labor from the populace. In the Shan State various ceasefire groups have also adopted the practice.

    I would also point out that point out that technical reforms like crop loans and providing resources like fertilizer are far from easy tasks. I can tell you direct personal experience that fertilizer procurement can be a major undertaking. While proposing how exactly these technical reforms should be carried out is far beyond my expertise, they are absolutely critical. Stephen’s #3 would be a good starting point to address this problem, but I doubt we’ll see the regime take such action any time soon.

    Finally, I would say that any reforms would have to take in to account potential negative impacts on women. The political and economic upheavals in Burma have had a particularly negative effect on women, who additionally have traditional roles and societal expectations, which may have protected them in the context of traditional societies, but in the current context work against them.

  8. Masao Imamura says:

    I think that promoting a culture of respectful disagreement and open discussion/debate on vital social issues in mainland Southeast Asia is far more important than providing unlimited space for online comments. For that purpose, it is more effective for New Mandala to have a fewer contrasting opinions than a high volume of opinions which are rather indistinguishable from each other.
    When I was working in northern Thailand I found it very frustrating that the access to academic literature was very limited. I felt that the academics kept their stuff to themselves. So New Mandala, accessible to any internet user, was a breath of fresh air. This blog’s strength is not that the commenting is open but that it has two very intelligent and effective editors/facilitators who provoke and moderate public discussion on a wide range of issues including sensitive ones. A successful blog with unique contents requires editors/facilitators with astute judgment and experience (whereas anyone could open a blog for unmoderated discussion).

  9. Stephen says:

    Hla Oo: what sort of further strategic reform [does] Burma still need except for the technical reforms of providing crop loans and other resources like fertilizers?

    I think you’ve raised the key issue, Hla Oo. Ideally, agricultural policy would be set by the country’s predominantly small-scale farmers themselves. Actually, the monthly Township Peace and Development Council meetings that the SPDC currently has in place could provide a venue for such local input into agricultural policy, but because of the SPDC’s authoritarian proclivities, agricultural policy has become a top-down process, set at the national level, with no account for local environmental, climatic and other difference, and is furthermore set and enforced by military personnel, not agronomists. For example, Burma’s Minister of Agriculture and Irrigation is Maj-Gen Htay Oo, current head of the USDA. Agricultural policy is thus subservient to military policy and as I’ve quoted before, agricultural analysts Koichi Fujita and Ikuko Okamoto who have done extensive fiend work in Burma, identify the SPDC’s agricultural policy objectives as, “avoidance of social unrest and sustenance of the regime”.

    But anyway here are some initial suggestions,

    1. Stop forced labour. As forced labour is now so pervasive, at least in rural Karen State, it significantly cuts into time needed for agricultural work leading to reduced or wholly failed paddy harvests.
    2. Eliminate roadway military checkpoints and tollbooths. Excessive road tolls have made small-scale agricultural trade in many cases unprofitable.
    3. Allow farmers to set their own agricultural agenda. The whole kyet-su castor bean fiasco is just one example of the failures of authoritarian agricultural governance.

    Economist Sean Turnell likewise reports that SPDC officials dictate to local farmers “what, how and how much to produce”. Despite the reports that the SPDC eliminated the paddy procurement quota in 2003, many farmers in Burma report that the practice continues. When Burma’s inflation reached 35% last year the IMF, likewise recommended “liberalizing agriculture to give farmers more freedom to grow and sell their crops.” Anyways, these are just some initial thoughts.

  10. Sarah Hilaly says:

    Sangos,
    The search for the missing planes are being carried out in the area populated by the Mishmis.The was an article in February this year in India Today.I have asked my research scholar to present a paper on the new documemts available in that area.I hope the Seminar helps bring to focus these unknown facets.Will keep you posted.

  11. Ed Norton says:

    To the “I agree with Surayud” brigade: you also agree with much of the elite debate in the 1990s over what became the 1997 Constitution. There the idea was to get “good” and perhaps “great” people into parliament via the party list. Look what happened. The simple point is probably that elite attempts to manipulate electoral outcomes is doomed to failure because elections can be unpredictable – those folks out there, the so-called chao ban, don’t think like the elite and tend to want an outcome that suits them.

    Of course, this idea of getting the “best people” also assumes that the good and the great don’t manipulate things to suit themselves when in power (no evidence of that in Thailand, right?).

    jonfernquest might want to look at who is organising and benefiting from nasty motorcycle taxi riders (and even the motorcycle police) riding up the sidewalks. I think Crutch regularly comments on such things in his Sunday column in the Bkk Post. That might be a source for more comment on this item.

    On “Unfortunately, everyone does this because there is literally no land near forest areas with deeds. All of it is forestry department land”: not quite accurate as it depends very much where you are and what you mean by title. For example, in many areas near national parks, land users have tax certificates which allow use of the land. Not a “deed” or a “title”, but a right to continuous use for something like subsistence. I believe you’ll find that this is what Surayud had/has. His wife commented on this in the press.

    The question is whether his house fits the meaning and intent of the use rights granted. I’d have thought that this was unlikely. That plenty of others do this seems true, but what has happened to all those arguments about rule of law and getting someone for even small infractions (such as Samak).

  12. Hla Oo says:

    Aiontay “Also, I believe that China’s reform started with the agricultural sector, as did Korea’s and Taiwan’s. What specific policies is the regime engaged in that will help the Burmese agricultural sector?”

    From a Burmese point of view the strategic agricultural reform is either the total redistribution of large tracts of land owned by absentee landlords like they are trying to do it in Philippines and Latin American countries, or the complete dismantling of Agricultural Communes like they successfully did in China and the countries of former Soviet Union.

    In case of Burma the communes never exist even though the land is nominally owned by the state aka the army. The wholesale redistribution of large tracts of agricultural land owned by the absentee landlords, the legacy of colonial times, was started in the fifties by the Communist rebellion and later completed by the Ne Win’s Socialist Government.

    Since all the agricultural land is basically in the hands of farmers now, my question to our learned Americans, Aiontay and/or Stephen, is what sort of further strategic reform Burma still need except for the technical reforms of providing crop loans and other resources like fertilizers?

  13. Jean-Philippe Leblond says:

    As I said previously, it’s a great idea, especially if dams are included. RID and EGAT can displaced much more people per intervention than RFD and DNP (35 000 people for the Pasak Cholasit Dam alone)

    I’m completing a similar review of literature. I define a “case” by the year and area affected (so there are 2 cases for Thung Yai Naresuan). For the period 1986-2008, I’ve got so far 22 cases where relocation/eviction/rapatriation occurred (excluding RID, EGAT, etc. projects) and 9 where plans were drawn but (a) were later abandoned or (b) I couldn’t confirm they were actually implemented.
    Total displaced people is at least 27 000 people (assuming 4 pers by hh).

    There are two clear leaders among Thailand’s PM. Out of the 22 relocation/eviction cases I am aware of, Prem was the PM in 9 cases ( 41%), Chuan in 8 cases (36%), Thaksin, Banharn and Chatichai each in 1 case (5%). In 4 cases, there was no clear dates and I couldn’t determine under whose PM the decision was taken. These results nicely illustrate the fact that “pressure of conservation” was reduced during the Thaksin era.

    The compilation and analysis is not perfect yet. By Oct 10 I’ll have my excel table translated and all sources well listed.

  14. Tara says:

    Yes, Jon, US sanctions are the cause of all suffering in Burma. This conversation is getting derailed at every point. I never said anything about sanctions, or Aung San Suu Kyi. Last I checked, I was having a conversation about Gene Sharp and the nature of non-violent strategy vs. ideology, and how I felt you were unfairly judging work you were unfamiliar with. I understand that you feel your experiences were unnecessary suffering because of ideology, and that for you, sanctions and the ‘free Aung San Suu Kyi’ crowd are part of that, but I am not the person you think you are talking to. Our individual trains of thought seem to have no intersection. Others are contributing far more intelligent comments at this point, so I will concede to you the last word in this conversation, Jon. It’s turning in to the same one we have every time I post a comment here, so I’m just going to go back to lurking as usual. Post away.

  15. aiontay says:

    Jon,
    What about India? They changed their dealings with the regime, but did the regime change at all? No. Also, the sanctions were never absolute. There were American companies doing business with the regime. I know, I had dinner with them in Rangoon. The US State Department also funded rural development projects in the Shan States. The fact is the generals have had plenty of opportunties to change, they’ve just never taken them. It takes a true believer to argue otherwise. What policies have the generals taken that would allow a middle class to emerge.

    To follow up on Stephen’s point, I’ve worked with the rural population in the Lashio/Namtu area, and I’ve seen the exploitation of the SPDC agenda firsthand. If the city dwellers have paid a pound of flesh, the Kachins, Shans, and Palaung have easily doubled that, but strangely enough they all blamed the regime for that. Also, I believe that China’s reform started with the agricultural sector, as did Korea’s and Taiwan’s. What specific policies is the regime engaged in that will help the Burmese agricultural sector?

  16. Stephen says:

    Jon: “many Burmese people… just want the whole thing to end right now, no matter what, so that they and their families can get on with their lives. Even if Aung San Suu Kyi remains under house arrest forever.”

    This is a really important point and I think supported in some ways by Ardeth Maung Thawnghmung’s 2003 article “Rural perceptions of State Legitimacy in Burma/Myanmar,” such as the following quote:

    “other factors, long ignored in the literature, may be central to a degree of grassroots legitimacy accorded to the military regime. This is especially true of the countryside, where the image of the Burmese state hinges less on the high profile issues singled out by the international press and more on the agrarian agenda of the military government.” (p.8)

    However, it is also important to point out that the most pervasive human rights concerns within contemporary Burma appear not to be the current or previous restrictions on civil and political rights, whether they be the 1988 bloodshed, the 1990 non-transfer of power to the NLD, or even current restrictions on political organisation. It has been one of the most unfortunate failings of the international Burma democracy lobby that it has focused so narrowly on these issues. Rather, abuses which affect a far larger segment of the population (especially the 70% rural population) are the many forms of systematic exploitation (like forced labour and arbitrary taxation) tied to the “agrarian agenda” of the SPDC and the restrictions on movement and trade used to facilitate them.

    Foreign engagement in Burma at present will necessarily enter into this context. Those seeking to invest in business or implement socio-economic development or humanitarian programmes mustn’t wilfully neglect (or consciously suppress) the local-level political concerns (i.e. how resources are controlled and distributed) of indigenous communities regarding the implementation of foreign investment, development or humanitarian projects. Attempts at ostensibly ‘apolitical’ engagement, however, risk doing just that.

  17. Hla Oo says:

    Definitely we Burmese have suffered far too long. When the Ne Win’s BSPP government was collapsing in 1988 the group of Burmese politicians namely U Nu, Aung Gyi, Tin Oo, and Aung San Su Kyi, yes ASSK too, had a chance to lead Burma out of that quagmire, but they stubbornly refused to form a united civilian government then and finally let the army to grab the power again in the name of The Restoration of Law and Order.

    Yes, these so called democratic politicians, willingly or unwillingly no one really knew, initially allowed the existence of SLORC (State Law and Order Restoration Council) government now calling themselves SPDC (State Peace and development Council) government 20 years later.

    Like Kyaw Nyein and opposition Socialist Party did in 1962 they let the Burmese people down and delivered the country again into the hands of generals in 1988.

    Like Kyaw Nyein and opposition Socialist Party believed in 1962, they believed in the army’s promise of fair election. Yes, the army gave them a fair election. Except, the army didn’t agree with the fair outcome.

    “My father built this army” ASSK and former general “I was from this army too” Tin Oo then took a hard line stance against the generals and brought down onto the poor people of Burma the mighty sanctions of the western democracies. Now Burma and her once proud people are on their knees haplessly witnessing their country rapidly becoming another province of China.

    Violent and non-violent opposition or the sanctions aren’t the only ways to get Burma back into the democracy’s fold. How about genuine negotiations and serious talks among all the parties concerned including the generals?

  18. jonfernquest says:

    tara; “After all, Jon, we are both White Westerners having a fruitless debate online about what we think is best for Burma, and no amount of our personal experience is going to change that fundamental fact.”

    Like many Burmese I personally have paid with a pound of my flesh for US sanctions against Burma. I sat there in a hospital for many months, used up every penny I had, to save the life of a loved one.

    I talked to a lot of other Burmese people in that hospital who were doing exactly the same thing, paying for the 20 year hiatus that US economic sanctions have wrought.

    This was a private hospital where people could actually find out what was happening to them via medical tests. In government hospitals people just died.

    So, no tara, we are not the same. I know that I speak for many Burmese people who just want the whole thing to end right now, no matter what, so that they and their families can get on with their lives. Even if Aung San Suu Kyi remains under house arrest forever.

  19. Thanks Matthew,

    We understand that you have been following these Akha cases for a long time, and we certainly appreciate your input. What we are really interested in is the specifics of these cases you mention. How many people were relocated? When? Do you have a map that plots out the relevant areas? What reasons were given for the evictions (counter-narcotics, environmental, etc, etc)?

    Where villages have not been relocated, but where land has been confiscated, we would also be keen to see more data. How much land in each case? Which specific villages (or even land-holders within the villages)? How was this justified?

    Best wishes to all,

    Nich

  20. The list that you mention in regards to the Akha up above is WAY underestimated.

    In 13 years I documented massive village forced relocations. Many many villages. The cases you mentioned about villages being burned are around Mae Chan I believe in the early 90’s or late 80’s. There was video made of the events. But the forced relocations and compromised land rights are massive and effect nearly every village out there. Even villages that now are in the same place lost massive amounts of land that was then put into mono crop farms of one kind or another by Royal Thai forestry.

    In the case of Hooh Yoh the Queen of Thailand took 5,000 acres in one swoop, almost the entire land base of three villages and 1500 people.

    But the land around Doi Tung was a massive land grab as well, in the early 90’s it was Akha and Lisu and Lahu and it has all been taken, heavy penalties levied for using forest products and villagers reduce to small labor people on what now is a massive royal estate.

    Joh Hoh Akha.
    Huai Kaew Akha
    Hooh Yoh Akha
    Pah Nmm Akha
    Soi Ah Kah Akha
    Pai a Pai Akha
    Bpah Mah Hahn Akha and Lahu
    Hua Mae Kom Akha
    Hooh Mah Akha
    Hooh Yoh Lisa Akha
    Mae Chan Luang

    These are just a few who lost all of their land or a large portion of it or were forcibly relocated, there have to be at least 100 villages affected in this method. Anywhere you see pine now, that land was taken from the hill tribe and hill tribe were forced to plant pine on their own land and then leave the area.

    The list goes on and on and on. The Thais depend on no one being back on these dusty tracks with a GPS marking the old village lands, where the villagers are not at, and what reductions and poverty happened. We are talking tens of thousands of acres of rice and farm lands.

    Matthew McDaniel
    The Akha Heritage Foundation
    Ride for Freedom