I will concede that ‘new forest plantations’ can be seen as an intervention, but I would be interested in the detailed reasoning that makes you consider ‘preserving existing forests’ to be an intervention.
The way I see it, destroying existing forests is the intervention.
Furthermore, Khun Maw should stick to his job of curing people’s medical ailments. And spend less time being a follower of political fashion. Indeed, how many farmers did Khun Maw buy out at rock-bottom prices when he and his chums decided to set up that country club golf course two decades back. Now Khun Maw is trying to convince us that he can run his golf course on SE principles by planting a few rather unproductive coconuts on land where people once lived and farmed to feed themselves. Now the same folks are living in Khlong Toey and getting pissed off because the only politician who ever really took any notice of them (even if only for votebuying purposes), has been removed by his erstwhile partners in crime.
If anything Jeru, we all seem to be suffering from too much of other people’s (short-sighted) commonsense.
Imagine Jeru, the imposition of SE in villages where once they lived in something like SE as part of their normal way of life. Numerous capitalist fools rushed in to tell villagers that all their problems would all be over if they went to live and work in the Bangkok sausage factory. It has been obvious to some people (including many villagers) for decades that this wasn’t the entire solution. Suddenly, the same capitalists have woken up to the reality that this has a negative impact on them too. Now pretty much the same capitalist fools are rushing in to tell people that they have to go back to something approximating their former lifestyle, complete with all the forelock tugging to the Pu Yais that was expected in the past.
The difference between the rural ‘fools’ and their supposedly sophisticated & clever urban cousins is that the urbanites rarely hang around to clear up the mess caused by their ignorant ‘one solution fits all’ logic.
[…] that!).┬ But I beg to differ.┬ Whatever the benefits of forest cover, increased water supply is not one of them. In fact forests are big users of water and tree plantations (given their rapid growth in the early […]
Fools quickly rush in when capital is nearly free! The meltdown in world markets we see now because of promiscous credit is definitely NOT sufficiency economy, but raw capitalism at its best and at its worst!
Imagine Tosakan raw capitalism at Thai villages . . . and the fools who will rush in a hurry, and the sure pain that will befall these fools later on.
Sufficiency economy is just what the doctor recommends for the Thai villagers.
When I read an essay like this, I have to wonder what the person’s background is in Thai economics.
What the king should have done was make a speech to CFO’s of major Thai corporations and tell them to stop cooking their books, stop cheating on their taxes, stop bribing their CPAs, stop expecting 200% returns every quarter, stop practicing insider trading, and stop borrowing when they don’t have the collateral or don’t have a business plan that is realistic.
And the first CFO’s he should have smacked down are the ones who control his own Crown Property Bureau.
Unlike the king, who inherited his wealth and property by virtue of being born to a celestial prince, most of the hoi polloi have to borrow money to achieve any type of material advancement.
Money doesn’t miraculously rain down on people’s head like the rain shown in the royalist propaganda clip before the movies.
In normal capitalist economies, people borrow money for many reasons, normally to buy homes, cars, finance business, etc.
To avert risk, there are complex statistical formulas put into place to weed out the people who are at high risk, and if high risk, they have to pay a higher interest rate.
In Thailand, if you are a big shot, a military general or the second cousin to the bank manger, hey, here is some free money for you. And by the way cuz, if I approve your loan, I expect a new Benz in my parking spot tomorrow morning.
In Thailand, you can be mortgaged to hilt, and all you have to do is cook your books with your other cousin, and then go back to the bank with a big shit eating grin to show him all your non-existent cash flow, and the circle of financial life in Thailand continues.
As for the poor, well, before Thaksin, they had loan sharks. And all these massive banking conglomerates, Bangkok Bank, Thai Farmer’s, that we have now all started out as loan-sharking operations.
Chinese immigrants would sell their labor power to the Thai aristocracy for cash payment. Ethnic Thais, on the other hand, had to work for free, because they were slaves. As the Thai economy transformed from a subsistence to a capitalist one, Thais had to start spending money to purchase things in the market. But, they had no cash. The Chinese did, however, so the Thais borrowed from the Chinese, using their land as collateral. When the Thais couldn’t pay back the outrageous interest charged because the Chinese were also the ones who were cheating them when purchasing their farm products, they would have to give up their property to the Chinese loan sharks, with full protection from the crown. Then, the Thais ended up being tenant farmers on their own land and have to pay rent to their land lords as well as continue to get cheated on the market value of their goods.
But for some reason, we don’t hear much of this economic analysis.
All we hear is blame the poor for not wanting to be poor, blame Thaksin for giving the poor credit that didn’t come from loan sharks, and blame the farang for inventing capitalism.
Capitalism in not the problem; the problem is the structure of Thai capitalism. And as long as the elites continue to cheat, lie and steal while espousing sufficiency economy on one hand while keeping the poor ignorant and dependent on them for survival, which is what they want, nothing will ever change.
I always mistrust the Siamese scholars who try to draw a big conclusion by just spending mere three weeks in a nostalgic rural community of their little brothers… How would these miniature field-trips ever shed a light on their real plights? I still believe that Thai anthropologists and and the wanna-be’s need to have their homework done….
That thought crossed my mind
but that headline was staring at me
from my google sidebar for two days
straight and a storm cloud was gathering
over my head, so to speak.
Going to buy the book.
[…] the question of responsibility in the Southeast Asian corner of the academic blogosphere; see this recent debate (in the comments) from The New Mandala for an […]
“It is a tired and sorry claim that shows, once again, that sufficiency democracy campaigners have no respect for electoral decisions that don’t accord with elite instruction. ” >> On the other hand, I doubt that explaining the existence of hua khanaen and vote-buying away is an empirically sustainable approach.
I want to apologise to Saowapha Viravong.
My observation had nothing to do with him (or her).
And wish to offer my thanks for mentioning new books.
But the idea that there is real true **caring** love [Pali: Metta] at work here, for other Tai ethnic groups: Lue, Khuen, Shan, Lao, is quite frankly ridiculous. If Thais and the Thai state in some abstract sense “loved” other Tai ethnic groups such as the Lue they would have proved it in their actions.
But ironically no Thai love affair with the Tai Lue of their own country Thailand.
Or that would seem to be the implication when see loads of Tai Lue some of whom were born in Thailand but who still cannot become Thai citizens even though they are in their thirties, like the person who used to cut my hair whose brother took the expediency of buying a dead person’s id card in Isan which at first sight just looks like a pragmatic Thai way of doing things until you come across people who ended up in jail for 20 years, o whoops they didn’t end up in jail because they discretely and untransparently paid you know who cold cash for a get out of jail free card, wink, wink, nudge, nudge (the previous statement is completely non-referential, and the sentence I just wrote also such, so please disregard all of which I just said) but seriously the more nitpicking niggling the partisan arguments get the more a yes vote on the referendum seems like an enlightened act that may someday down the line allow people to get back to the issues that really matter.
That “persona non grata” sign I used to see over an outdoor shed in front of immigration meant for the Lue, the Khuen, the Shan, the Lue student at the university I taught at who denied who he was because the small-minded biggots who were his fellow classmates and my students would have made fun of him
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The smirk of capitalism
Any fool can see
That village loan meant for me
Was other people’s money
Never meant to be free
Any fool but me
Royal hydrology
ill-informed interventions
I will concede that ‘new forest plantations’ can be seen as an intervention, but I would be interested in the detailed reasoning that makes you consider ‘preserving existing forests’ to be an intervention.
The way I see it, destroying existing forests is the intervention.
The smirk of capitalism
Furthermore, Khun Maw should stick to his job of curing people’s medical ailments. And spend less time being a follower of political fashion. Indeed, how many farmers did Khun Maw buy out at rock-bottom prices when he and his chums decided to set up that country club golf course two decades back. Now Khun Maw is trying to convince us that he can run his golf course on SE principles by planting a few rather unproductive coconuts on land where people once lived and farmed to feed themselves. Now the same folks are living in Khlong Toey and getting pissed off because the only politician who ever really took any notice of them (even if only for votebuying purposes), has been removed by his erstwhile partners in crime.
If anything Jeru, we all seem to be suffering from too much of other people’s (short-sighted) commonsense.
The smirk of capitalism
Imagine Jeru, the imposition of SE in villages where once they lived in something like SE as part of their normal way of life. Numerous capitalist fools rushed in to tell villagers that all their problems would all be over if they went to live and work in the Bangkok sausage factory. It has been obvious to some people (including many villagers) for decades that this wasn’t the entire solution. Suddenly, the same capitalists have woken up to the reality that this has a negative impact on them too. Now pretty much the same capitalist fools are rushing in to tell people that they have to go back to something approximating their former lifestyle, complete with all the forelock tugging to the Pu Yais that was expected in the past.
The difference between the rural ‘fools’ and their supposedly sophisticated & clever urban cousins is that the urbanites rarely hang around to clear up the mess caused by their ignorant ‘one solution fits all’ logic.
Wishful thinking about forests and water
[…] that!).┬ But I beg to differ.┬ Whatever the benefits of forest cover, increased water supply is not one of them. In fact forests are big users of water and tree plantations (given their rapid growth in the early […]
Debating constitutional merit
We found unbearable that the 1997 Constitution as been
suspended.
The referendumprocess is making fun of the democracy
as the opposition is silenced.
Here comes the vote buying bogeyman
well, lets hope they each take the money and vote with their conscience. in that way the less fortunate amongst us might just get a little bit richer.
Debating constitutional merit
Thaksin supporters might have their own reasons for voting NO on the new Constitution, but to vote YES merely to oppose Thaksin is a fatal mistake.
The smirk of capitalism
It’s just common sense Tosakan . . .
Fools quickly rush in when capital is nearly free! The meltdown in world markets we see now because of promiscous credit is definitely NOT sufficiency economy, but raw capitalism at its best and at its worst!
Imagine Tosakan raw capitalism at Thai villages . . . and the fools who will rush in a hurry, and the sure pain that will befall these fools later on.
Sufficiency economy is just what the doctor recommends for the Thai villagers.
The smirk of capitalism
When I read an essay like this, I have to wonder what the person’s background is in Thai economics.
What the king should have done was make a speech to CFO’s of major Thai corporations and tell them to stop cooking their books, stop cheating on their taxes, stop bribing their CPAs, stop expecting 200% returns every quarter, stop practicing insider trading, and stop borrowing when they don’t have the collateral or don’t have a business plan that is realistic.
And the first CFO’s he should have smacked down are the ones who control his own Crown Property Bureau.
Unlike the king, who inherited his wealth and property by virtue of being born to a celestial prince, most of the hoi polloi have to borrow money to achieve any type of material advancement.
Money doesn’t miraculously rain down on people’s head like the rain shown in the royalist propaganda clip before the movies.
In normal capitalist economies, people borrow money for many reasons, normally to buy homes, cars, finance business, etc.
To avert risk, there are complex statistical formulas put into place to weed out the people who are at high risk, and if high risk, they have to pay a higher interest rate.
In Thailand, if you are a big shot, a military general or the second cousin to the bank manger, hey, here is some free money for you. And by the way cuz, if I approve your loan, I expect a new Benz in my parking spot tomorrow morning.
In Thailand, you can be mortgaged to hilt, and all you have to do is cook your books with your other cousin, and then go back to the bank with a big shit eating grin to show him all your non-existent cash flow, and the circle of financial life in Thailand continues.
As for the poor, well, before Thaksin, they had loan sharks. And all these massive banking conglomerates, Bangkok Bank, Thai Farmer’s, that we have now all started out as loan-sharking operations.
Chinese immigrants would sell their labor power to the Thai aristocracy for cash payment. Ethnic Thais, on the other hand, had to work for free, because they were slaves. As the Thai economy transformed from a subsistence to a capitalist one, Thais had to start spending money to purchase things in the market. But, they had no cash. The Chinese did, however, so the Thais borrowed from the Chinese, using their land as collateral. When the Thais couldn’t pay back the outrageous interest charged because the Chinese were also the ones who were cheating them when purchasing their farm products, they would have to give up their property to the Chinese loan sharks, with full protection from the crown. Then, the Thais ended up being tenant farmers on their own land and have to pay rent to their land lords as well as continue to get cheated on the market value of their goods.
But for some reason, we don’t hear much of this economic analysis.
All we hear is blame the poor for not wanting to be poor, blame Thaksin for giving the poor credit that didn’t come from loan sharks, and blame the farang for inventing capitalism.
Capitalism in not the problem; the problem is the structure of Thai capitalism. And as long as the elites continue to cheat, lie and steal while espousing sufficiency economy on one hand while keeping the poor ignorant and dependent on them for survival, which is what they want, nothing will ever change.
Here comes the vote buying bogeyman
I love the bogeyman!
Here comes the vote buying bogeyman
Love or money?
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/08/11/politics/politics_30044646.php
The loveable Lue
I always mistrust the Siamese scholars who try to draw a big conclusion by just spending mere three weeks in a nostalgic rural community of their little brothers… How would these miniature field-trips ever shed a light on their real plights? I still believe that Thai anthropologists and and the wanna-be’s need to have their homework done….
SOAS discussion on the Thai coup
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р╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕кр╕Щр╕Шр╕┤р╕Ыр╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╣Ар╕Ыр╕ер╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕Щр╕гр╕▓р╕вр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Чр╕вр╕гр╕▓р╕вр╕кр╕▒р╕Ыр╕Фр╕▓р╕лр╣Мр╕бр╕▓р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕вр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Эр╣Йр╕▓р╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щр╕Фр╕┤р╕Щ (р╣Вр╕Ир╕гр╕Ыр╕ер╣Йр╕Щр╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щ р╕Фр╕┤р╕Щ) р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Фр╕╣р╕Вр╕ер╕▒р╕Зр╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Гр╕Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕вр╕▓р╕Б р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╣Бр╕кр╕Чр╣Йр╕▓р╕Б..р╕йр╕┤р╕Ур╕нр╕нр╕Бр╣Др╕Ыр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕кр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕Зр╕Кр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕кр╕Щр╕Шр╕┤р╕Ир╕Щр╕Бр╕ер╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕Чр╕гр╕Зр╕нр╕┤р╕Чр╕Шр╕┤р╕Юр╕ер╕кр╕╣р╕Зр╕Др╕Щр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╣Гр╕Щр╕кр╕▒р╕Зр╕Др╕б р╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕кр╕Щр╕Шр╕┤р╕бр╕╡р╣Ар╕Кр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╕кр╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Др╕Щр╕Ир╕╡р╕Щ р╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╕Бр╕ер╕▓р╕вр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Вр╕зр╕▒р╕Нр╣Гр╕Ир╣Гр╕Щр╕лр╕бр╕╣р╣Ир╕бр╕▒р╕Зр╕Бр╕гр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕лр╕▓р╕Бр╕┤р╕Щр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Шр╕╕р╕гр╕Бр╕┤р╕Ир╕Ьр╕┤р╕Фр╕Бр╕Пр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕в р╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Бр╕Ыр╕ер╕Бр╣Гр╕Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Чр╕│р╣Др╕бр╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕кр╕Щр╕Шр╕┤р╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Фр╕▓р╕гр╕▓р╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╣Ар╕Кр╕┤р╕Нр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕нр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Бр╕Вр╕Бр╕Ыр╕гр╕░р╕Ир╕│р╣Бр╕Цр╕зр╣Ар╕вр╕▓р╕зр╕гр╕▓р╕К р╕нр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Бр╕лр╕ер╣Ир╕Зр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕нр╕╕р╕Фр╕бр╕кр╕бр╕Ър╕╣р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╣Др╕Ыр╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕кр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Ьр╕┤р╕Фр╕Бр╕Пр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕в р╕Чр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Ьр╕╣р╣Йр╕нр╣Ир╕▓р╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕Вр╣Йр╕▓р╣Гр╕Ир╕Щр╕░р╕Др╕гр╕▒р╕Ър╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Шр╕╕р╕гр╕Бр╕┤р╕Ир╕Щр╕нр╕Бр╕гр╕░р╕Ър╕Ър╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕Ьр╕┤р╕Фр╕Бр╕Пр╕лр╕бр╕▓р╕вр╕Фр╕▒р╕Зр╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╕лр╕ер╕╡р╕Бр╣Ар╕ер╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕Зр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕бр╕╡р╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ир╣Ир╕▓р╕вр╕Др╣Ир╕▓р╕Др╕╕р╣Йр╕бр╕Др╕гр╕нр╕Зр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕нр╕Фр╕╡р╕Хр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕бр╕╡р╕Вр╕Ър╕зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕нр╕▒р╣Ир╕Зр╕вр╕╡р╣Ир╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Чр╕│р╕лр╕Щр╣Йр╕▓р╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╣Ар╕Ыр╕ер╕╡р╣Ир╕вр╕Щр╕бр╕▓р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Вр╕Ър╕зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╣Ар╕кр╕Ш.р╕бр╕▓р╣Ар╕Яр╕╡р╕в р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╣Ар╕зр╕ер╕▓р╕Щр╕╡р╣Йр╕Ър╕гр╕гр╕Фр╕▓р╣Ар╕кр╕Ш.р╕Чр╕▒р╣Йр╕Зр╕лр╕ер╕▓р╕вр╕Хр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╕Зр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╕нр╕вр╕╣р╣Ир╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕Ыр╕Бр╕Ыр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕▒р╕Бр╕йр╕▓р╕нр╕│р╕Щр╕▓р╕И р╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╣Ар╕Бр╕┤р╕Фр╕бр╕╡р╕Вр╕Ър╕зр╕Щр╕Бр╕▓р╕гр╕кр╕зр╕бр╕гр╕╣р╕Ы
р╕Щр╕▓р╕вр╕кр╕Щр╕Шр╕┤р╕Ир╕╢р╕Зр╕бр╕╡р╕нр╕▒р╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╣Др╕Ыр╣Ар╕вр╕▓р╕зр╕гр╕▓р╕Кр╣Др╕бр╣Ир╣Ар╕зр╣Йр╕Щр╣Гр╕Щр╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕ер╕░р╕Др╕╖р╕Щ р╕Лр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Щр╕нр╕Бр╕Ир╕▓р╕Бр╕Ир╕░р╕Чр╕│р╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╕нр╕┤р╣Ир╕бр╕Чр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Фр╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕нр╕▓р╕лр╕▓р╕гр╕Кр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Фр╕╡р╣Бр╕ер╣Йр╕зр╕вр╕▒р╕Зр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╣Ар╕Зр╕┤р╕Щр╕Бр╕ер╕▒р╕Ър╕Ър╣Йр╕▓р╕Щр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕нр╕Ър╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Бр╕│ р╕бр╕▒р╕Щр╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Юр╕др╕Хр╕┤р╕Бр╕гр╕гр╕бр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Вр╕Ир╕гр╕Кр╕▒р╕Фр╣Ж р╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕вр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Эр╣Йр╕▓р╣Бр╕Ьр╣Ир╕Щр╕Фр╕┤р╕Щр╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕нр╕вр╣Ир╕▓р╕Зр╣Др╕г “р╣Ар╕ер╕зр╕Чр╕гр╕▓р╕бр╕Хр╣Ир╕│р╕Кр╣Йр╕▓р╕кр╕┤р╣Йр╕Щр╕Фр╕╡” (р╕Вр╕нр╕Фр╕▓р╕Ър╕Щр╕▒р╣Йр╕Щр╕Др╕╖р╕Щр╕кр╕Щр╕нр╕Зр╕лр╕Щр╣Ир╕нр╕в) р╕Ьр╕бр╕бр╕╡р╕Бр╕│р╕лр╕Щр╕Фр╣Гр╕Щр╣Гр╕Ир╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╣Ар╕Вр╕╡р╕вр╕Щр╕Ър╕Чр╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╣Ар╕Юр╕╡р╕вр╕Зр╕кр╕┤р╕Ър╕Хр╕нр╕Щ р╣Бр╕Хр╣Ир╕Фр╕╣р╣Ар╕лр╕бр╕╖р╕нр╕Щр╕зр╣Ир╕▓р╕Ир╕░р╕Ир╕Ър╣Др╕бр╣Ир╕ер╕З р╣Ар╕Юр╕гр╕▓р╕░р╣Ар╕Щр╕╖р╣Йр╕нр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╕кр╣Ир╕зр╕Щр╣Гр╕лр╕Нр╣Ир╣Др╕Фр╣Йр╕Цр╕╣р╕Бр╣Гр╕Кр╣Йр╣Др╕Ыр╕Бр╕▒р╕Ър╕зр╕▓р╕вр╕гр╣Йр╕▓р╕вр╣Бр╕лр╣Ир╕Зр╕Хр╕гр╕░р╕Бр╕╣р╕ер╕ер╕┤р╣Йр╕б р╕Бр╣Зр╣Ар╕ер╕вр╕Ир╕│р╣Ар╕Ыр╣Зр╕Щр╕Хр╣Йр╕нр╕Зр╕Вр╕нр╣Ар╕Вр╕╡р╕вр╕Щр╕Хр╣Ир╕нр╕нр╕╡р╕Бр╕лр╕Щр╕╢р╣Ир╕Зр╕Хр╕нр╕Щ р╣Ар╕Юр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╣Гр╕лр╣Йр╣Ар╕гр╕╖р╣Ир╕нр╕Зр╕гр╕▓р╕зр╕Вр╕нр╕Зр╣Ар╕Ыр╕гр╕бр╕бр╕╡р╕Др╕зр╕▓р╕бр╕кр╕бр╕Ър╕╣р╕гр╕Ур╣Мр╕вр╕┤р╣Ир╕Зр╕Вр╕╢р╣Йр╕Щ
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The loveable Lue
“It was meant to be ironic.”
That thought crossed my mind
but that headline was staring at me
from my google sidebar for two days
straight and a storm cloud was gathering
over my head, so to speak.
Going to buy the book.
Sufficiency democracy in action
[…] the question of responsibility in the Southeast Asian corner of the academic blogosphere; see this recent debate (in the comments) from The New Mandala for an […]
The loveable Lue
Jon, no need to apologise. The headline was mine. It was meant to be ironic.
Here comes the vote buying bogeyman
“It is a tired and sorry claim that shows, once again, that sufficiency democracy campaigners have no respect for electoral decisions that don’t accord with elite instruction. ” >> On the other hand, I doubt that explaining the existence of hua khanaen and vote-buying away is an empirically sustainable approach.
The loveable Lue
I want to apologise to Saowapha Viravong.
My observation had nothing to do with him (or her).
And wish to offer my thanks for mentioning new books.
But the idea that there is real true **caring** love [Pali: Metta] at work here, for other Tai ethnic groups: Lue, Khuen, Shan, Lao, is quite frankly ridiculous. If Thais and the Thai state in some abstract sense “loved” other Tai ethnic groups such as the Lue they would have proved it in their actions.
The loveable Lue
“Thai love affair with the Lue of Sipsongpanna”
But ironically no Thai love affair with the Tai Lue of their own country Thailand.
Or that would seem to be the implication when see loads of Tai Lue some of whom were born in Thailand but who still cannot become Thai citizens even though they are in their thirties, like the person who used to cut my hair whose brother took the expediency of buying a dead person’s id card in Isan which at first sight just looks like a pragmatic Thai way of doing things until you come across people who ended up in jail for 20 years, o whoops they didn’t end up in jail because they discretely and untransparently paid you know who cold cash for a get out of jail free card, wink, wink, nudge, nudge (the previous statement is completely non-referential, and the sentence I just wrote also such, so please disregard all of which I just said) but seriously the more nitpicking niggling the partisan arguments get the more a yes vote on the referendum seems like an enlightened act that may someday down the line allow people to get back to the issues that really matter.
That “persona non grata” sign I used to see over an outdoor shed in front of immigration meant for the Lue, the Khuen, the Shan, the Lue student at the university I taught at who denied who he was because the small-minded biggots who were his fellow classmates and my students would have made fun of him
NOSTALGIA does not equal LOVE