In Handley’s “The King never smiles”, he mentioned about the use of historical films such as Suriyothai to ingrain the importance of the monarchy (read: Chakri dynasty) in Thai consciousness. He also discussed the relationship between Than Mui and the monarchy. Perhaps King Naresuan is an expression of the same grand design: the manufacture of consensus for the monarchy.
Google, for whatever reason, called Thai govt’s bluff by taking their own good time. We would hope they learned something after facilitating censorship in China.
The videos were sophomoric and Thai govt equally juvenile in its reaction. Thai public simply had the typical knee-jerk reaction where the monarch is concerned.
Censors always get drunk on the wine of absolute power and Thailand’s censors are no different.
“The US magazine Entertainment Weekly reported that Stallone found Burma when he sought advice from the journal Soldier of Fortune on scripting a film featuring ‘the most critical man-doing-inhumanity-to-man situation.'”
Well, I guess we don’t have to study that country anymore!
Haven’t watched the Naresuan films yet, but being intimately familiar with that history, I doubt if they’ll bring out the intricacies of that era’s history since most people just repeat the same story line as Prince Damrong who was a wonderful historian but wrote this standard history 100 years ago. A fresh perspective would be nice, like looking at events from the perspective from people who are normally assumed to be minor participants, like Lao Lan Chang.
Suriyothai seems to have a certain poetic beauty to it, but you supposedly have to watch the long Thai version, and that requires oodles of time and patience.
Thai film makers have indeed made moves toward producing similar period dramas about relations with Laos. A film about Tao Suranaree (Ya Moh) as the heroine of the Thai nation was to be made in 2005 but was called off when the Lao ambassador to Thailand threatened to cut trade relations. There were also threats that electricity supplies would be halted if the film was produced. To the Lao, Suranaree is an insulting myth created to justify the Siamese sacking of Vientiane and defeat of the Lao king Anouvong. This is a much talked about piece of historiography, Charles Keyes has an essay on Suranaree and the alternative folk meanings she has in the local social memory of the people of Isaarn and Grant Evans has one on Anouvong and his problematic place in official Lao historiography, but neither have focused on the relationship between the two, which is what makes the movie such a volatile proposition. There is a long history of subtle and not-so-subtle antagonisms between Thailand and its neighbours inspired by its sometimes chauvinistic Bangkok-centred media culture. The sacking of the Thai embassy in Cambodia in 2004 (?) was attributed to the opinions of a Thai soap star (although more about local politics). Rumours have spread through Laos in recent years about Thai stars’ negative opinions of Lao women and even the odd Lao pop star’s negative opinions of her own country. Geopolitics is being played out on the big screen and has repercussions off-screen too.
I think that polarization in all media now is quite extreme. It’s as though various media are trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This is the football game of world politics. We watch it in the same way.
I haven’t seen 300, but supposedly this is a movie done in the same manner as you describe ‘King Naresuan’. I wasn’t aware that Siamese, Burmese conflicts were on the level of Siamese, Khmer conflicts? Are there similar Thai-Khmer movies?
Nationalism gives people safety from existentialism. Maybe we are at a point now of such disbelief where many people will fall back on national identity, or religion. All of this tragedy makes a better story, as it has always done. Actually, was money exchanged to see the story before the movies?
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German’s Friedrich Ebert Foundation was so kind to organize a round table so that the Thai delegation in Berlin could reach German multipliers in order to make them understand the true democratic nature of the coup.
I suppose that the Lao, being the “smaller brother”, is not really worth the bashing. There is always a notion of related-ness within the Tai-family, which is obviously not the case with the Burmans. But then again: why not such kind of films with the Khmer?
Oh gosh, that trailer looked horrible. This in comparison to old rambos, darn, in comparison to any recent action movies was very VERY graphic violence and blood & gore. 🙁 I like action movies but this looked almost like splatter: cutting of head and showing it, shooting at close range the blood spilling to windows, ripping of throat and knive attacks. This was very gore and looks more like C class action movie if Rambos were B-class…This won’t get any rave reviews in the press for Stallone.
– so you know what to expect at the SOAS seminar on Wednesday.
Hope our friends at SOAS can give these guys the reception they deserve. We (not to mention the Thai taxpayers who fund many of the Thai students at SOAS) can also get an idea of where the SOAS Students Union Thai Society stands in relation to the current military dictatorship and those who defend it.
Look forward to your report on this event Nicholas.
Easy answer for why they are popular: grand war epics are always popular, nationalist ones even moreso, and Thailand had these big fights with Burma that make for good stories, true or not. I
Question is why aren’t they doing the same type of films on Thailand and Laos?
Tara – re. tourism in Franco’s Spain, there’s a fairly good book called “Tourism and Dictatorship: Europe’s Peaceful Invasion of Franco’s Spain”.
I take your point (above). I just think the debate should be what kind of tourism is best for Burma rather than whether or not people should go. I also think if a couple of million people went, rather than a couple of hundred thousand, the SDPC’s ability to police, control, manage or just support it would fall apart. Either they would take their slice of a growing pie, or they would try and shut it down or restrict it, in which case I think they would start facing problems from within their own ranks (including their business buddies). But I’m open to other thinking on this.
Thai cinematic war with Burma
Thailand’s very own Propaganda and Public Enlightenment (ring a bell?) through the Arts (or the lack thereof).
Thai cinematic war with Burma
Diego, do you mean ‘grand design’ like Triumph of the Will? http://imdb.com/title/tt0025913/
Somsak on Ananda Mahidol
Interesting discussion on Prachatai: р╕Бр╕гр╕▓р╕Ър╣Ар╕Чр╣Йр╕▓р╕Др╕╕р╕Ур╕Юр╣Ир╕нр╕Чр╕╡р╣Ир╣Ар╕Др╕▓р╕гр╕Юр╕гр╕▒р╕Б
http://www.prachatai.com/webboard/topic.php?id=174218
See especially the reply by “Wasan”, # 174391
Thai cinematic war with Burma
In Handley’s “The King never smiles”, he mentioned about the use of historical films such as Suriyothai to ingrain the importance of the monarchy (read: Chakri dynasty) in Thai consciousness. He also discussed the relationship between Than Mui and the monarchy. Perhaps King Naresuan is an expression of the same grand design: the manufacture of consensus for the monarchy.
Nelson paper on “people’s sector politics”
Thanks for those links Sawarin. I can’t read Thai very fast, so I need to find the most important stuff to read.
YouTube vs Thai dictatorship: A settlement?
Google, for whatever reason, called Thai govt’s bluff by taking their own good time. We would hope they learned something after facilitating censorship in China.
The videos were sophomoric and Thai govt equally juvenile in its reaction. Thai public simply had the typical knee-jerk reaction where the monarch is concerned.
Censors always get drunk on the wine of absolute power and Thailand’s censors are no different.
Rambo takes on the Tatmadaw
“The US magazine Entertainment Weekly reported that Stallone found Burma when he sought advice from the journal Soldier of Fortune on scripting a film featuring ‘the most critical man-doing-inhumanity-to-man situation.'”
Well, I guess we don’t have to study that country anymore!
Rambo’s been there and figured it all out.
Thai cinematic war with Burma
IMHO the only good war film is an anti-war film or a film that reflects on the intrinsic horribleness of war like War and Peace or Kurosawa’s Ran. See Marguerite Yourcenar for the sublime in historical fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_Yourcenar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublime_(philosophy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Kleist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kohlhaas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ran_%28film%29
Haven’t watched the Naresuan films yet, but being intimately familiar with that history, I doubt if they’ll bring out the intricacies of that era’s history since most people just repeat the same story line as Prince Damrong who was a wonderful historian but wrote this standard history 100 years ago. A fresh perspective would be nice, like looking at events from the perspective from people who are normally assumed to be minor participants, like Lao Lan Chang.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_Yasothon
and Ghost of Mae Nak are good historical pieces, my favorites.
Suriyothai seems to have a certain poetic beauty to it, but you supposedly have to watch the long Thai version, and that requires oodles of time and patience.
Nelson paper on “people’s sector politics”
Kasien Teijapira’s papers via Somsak Jeamteerasakul’s posting in Fah Diew Kan. An insightful reading of Thai politics.
http://www.sameskybooks.org/webboard/show.php?Category=sameskybooks&No=8353
Thai cinematic war with Burma
Thai film makers have indeed made moves toward producing similar period dramas about relations with Laos. A film about Tao Suranaree (Ya Moh) as the heroine of the Thai nation was to be made in 2005 but was called off when the Lao ambassador to Thailand threatened to cut trade relations. There were also threats that electricity supplies would be halted if the film was produced. To the Lao, Suranaree is an insulting myth created to justify the Siamese sacking of Vientiane and defeat of the Lao king Anouvong. This is a much talked about piece of historiography, Charles Keyes has an essay on Suranaree and the alternative folk meanings she has in the local social memory of the people of Isaarn and Grant Evans has one on Anouvong and his problematic place in official Lao historiography, but neither have focused on the relationship between the two, which is what makes the movie such a volatile proposition. There is a long history of subtle and not-so-subtle antagonisms between Thailand and its neighbours inspired by its sometimes chauvinistic Bangkok-centred media culture. The sacking of the Thai embassy in Cambodia in 2004 (?) was attributed to the opinions of a Thai soap star (although more about local politics). Rumours have spread through Laos in recent years about Thai stars’ negative opinions of Lao women and even the odd Lao pop star’s negative opinions of her own country. Geopolitics is being played out on the big screen and has repercussions off-screen too.
Thai cinematic war with Burma
I think that polarization in all media now is quite extreme. It’s as though various media are trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This is the football game of world politics. We watch it in the same way.
I haven’t seen 300, but supposedly this is a movie done in the same manner as you describe ‘King Naresuan’. I wasn’t aware that Siamese, Burmese conflicts were on the level of Siamese, Khmer conflicts? Are there similar Thai-Khmer movies?
Nationalism gives people safety from existentialism. Maybe we are at a point now of such disbelief where many people will fall back on national identity, or religion. All of this tragedy makes a better story, as it has always done. Actually, was money exchanged to see the story before the movies?
Holiday inn Arlington
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Harmony conference at Mahidol
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Thailand after the coup: Event at SOAS
German’s Friedrich Ebert Foundation was so kind to organize a round table so that the Thai delegation in Berlin could reach German multipliers in order to make them understand the true democratic nature of the coup.
Thai cinematic war with Burma
I suppose that the Lao, being the “smaller brother”, is not really worth the bashing. There is always a notion of related-ness within the Tai-family, which is obviously not the case with the Burmans. But then again: why not such kind of films with the Khmer?
Rambo takes on the Tatmadaw
Oh gosh, that trailer looked horrible. This in comparison to old rambos, darn, in comparison to any recent action movies was very VERY graphic violence and blood & gore. 🙁 I like action movies but this looked almost like splatter: cutting of head and showing it, shooting at close range the blood spilling to windows, ripping of throat and knive attacks. This was very gore and looks more like C class action movie if Rambos were B-class…This won’t get any rave reviews in the press for Stallone.
Thailand after the coup: Event at SOAS
For our friends at SOAS: In case you didn’t already see this, Matichon has a summary of the seminar in Berlin by the military junta’s “War Room” yesterday:
http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/matichon_detail.php?s_tag=01pol01220550&day=2007/05/22§ionid=0133
(thanks to Fa Dio Kan for posting it on their webboard)
– so you know what to expect at the SOAS seminar on Wednesday.
Hope our friends at SOAS can give these guys the reception they deserve. We (not to mention the Thai taxpayers who fund many of the Thai students at SOAS) can also get an idea of where the SOAS Students Union Thai Society stands in relation to the current military dictatorship and those who defend it.
Look forward to your report on this event Nicholas.
A friendly reception
Somsak: i don’t see at all how you can include Thongchai is the “2 nos” group. He is among the very few who have been absolutely consistent.
Thai cinematic war with Burma
Easy answer for why they are popular: grand war epics are always popular, nationalist ones even moreso, and Thailand had these big fights with Burma that make for good stories, true or not. I
Question is why aren’t they doing the same type of films on Thailand and Laos?
Burma tourism debate
Tara – re. tourism in Franco’s Spain, there’s a fairly good book called “Tourism and Dictatorship: Europe’s Peaceful Invasion of Franco’s Spain”.
I take your point (above). I just think the debate should be what kind of tourism is best for Burma rather than whether or not people should go. I also think if a couple of million people went, rather than a couple of hundred thousand, the SDPC’s ability to police, control, manage or just support it would fall apart. Either they would take their slice of a growing pie, or they would try and shut it down or restrict it, in which case I think they would start facing problems from within their own ranks (including their business buddies). But I’m open to other thinking on this.