Notdisappointed: “Half-truths reporting” is certainly a good way of describing this kind of New Mandala reporting, but it is more insidious than that.
This reporting takes place within the context of a major Thai Studies program at a major university with the alleged purpose of informing and teaching students about Thailand, about a wide variety of issues that the people of Thailand find important, that affect their daily lives, not indoctrinating them into a certain ideology and way of thinking, not selecting out a couple of issues like LM or student protests to the exclusion of everything else, especially real economic issues relevant to the livelihoods of Thai people.
What is even more ridiculous, is that someone pointing out this fact out above, which is trivially true (in the sense of mathematics and accuracy) gets 70 people voting it down as not being a quality comment??? How utterly worthless and hopeless, for Thai Studies that is. 🙁
G’s condescending tone is suspiciously like that of an official of the predatory regime, paid to pollute this web site.
Allow me to join Rose in putting the boot into the Thai monarchy. The worst offences of this despiccable regime against Thais are carried out explicitly in the monarch’s name. He has had more than enough time to disown them, yet remains silent. How could his benevolence not be a fraud?
Is little Rose getting paid to affix her name to eloquent venom against the Thai monarchy? Hairdressers in UK are underpaid so augmenting her income via incendiary anti-monarchy tropes that she merely sign on to is not bad at all.
In democracies, the state has been reformed from a coalition of predators, into something approaching a system of public welfare, emanating from public spirit of the people themselves. These achievements are never secure, and the danger of the state being taken over by interest groups, most notably capital, is always present. Thailand has made some progress, but at the moment is moving backwards. The King of Thailand represents the centuries-old predatory regime dressed-up in a fake aura of benevolence.
What you forget to mention is that almost half of the 30 dead were killed by your peaceful citizens, such as 3 Red Shirts during the Ramkhamhaeng clashes, several people who were tortured and killed, etc.
And no, i do not exactly remember those days fondly due to the fact that some of your peaceful citizens assaulted me, and some others later attempted to abduct me, after many other of your peaceful citizens engaged in a vicious hate campaign against me that included also calls to murder me in fanciful and rather cruel ways.
dok-ya and Steve CM I take your points respectively. I guess Not disappointed does indeed reveal a mindset prevalent in Thailand.Ihope for Thailand’s sake that there are many others who likewise have “woken up”
Not generally a fan of ignoring – even conspicuously one-eyed input that’s light on evidence & heavy with hyperbolic claims/assumptions.
In any case (like others, I suspect) I fancy I’m capable of deciding for myself what’s wheat & what’s agenda-driven chaff. If nothing else, I find it provides some useful insight into a certain kind of mindset.
Robert, I beg to differ. Notdisappointed and the likes of him reveal what’s going on in Thai society. Many Thais are brainwashed from the day they were born. I’m no exception until the military illegally seized power (again?) and violated human rights of Thai people. Then I woke up.
Mate re read your own comments. They are rants….claims of millions on the streets of Bangkok….claims of how the Yingluck government massacred people on the streets. …claims that New Mandela is funded by the State Department…..
you really are making a fool of yourself. I repeat this is supposed to be a form for intelligent debate….you really aren’t up to it
During the Sabah Royal Commission of Inquiry hearings Mahathir was on the stand. He was asked how many Blue (meaning signifying citizenship) Identity Cards had been issued to illegal immigrants under Operation IC. His answer was “I did not instruct any offficer to issue IC’s to unqualified persons.” That, of course, did not answer the question. Mahathir cleverly side-stepped and answered a question not asked. I have posted then, that Mahathir was preparing his defence in case he had to defend, and that was the trial balloon.
Lawyers are trained to go for the jugular when a witness answers a question not asked because, very evidently, it is to avoid answering the question asked. But the panel and the Commissioner at the RCI sadly did not issue the “Answer the question” dictate.
Now in Mahathirisque tradition Najib said be had “never taken funds for personal gain”. Nobody asked this question. And the question, whether the said funds in the WSJ article, some US$700 million had been received into his personal account(s) he chose not to answer. His simple answers could be “I do not have any account at AmBank.” Or “I never received any such money into my AmBank account.”
So it looks like, like Mahathir, he is digging in, and preparing his defence in case it is called, and we are not going to get any quick resolution to this problem. A lot has been said that one is innocent until proven guilty, and so too that one must have clear unquestioned mandate in order to run the country. So there is talk, if Najib chooses not to step aside at least temporily, whether he can be made to move aside. One way is for UMNO to de-elect him as President. The UMNO President is the de facto Prime Minister, so he would have to go. Nobody knows if UMNO is even mulling such a move. The other is for a Motion of No Confidence either in the Executive or in Najib. But no confidence is a British gentleman’s game. There is no Statute that if a No Confidence motion is carried, resignation is mandatory. So, as I said, we must be prepared for a long walk.
Really? And the other comments so add to the conversation?
I respond in the same tone as comments made to me.
Take a look at my post of July 6th. I make pertinent points that are unacceptable to regular NMites whose only goal is to pile on with derogatory comments and one-sided analyses.
Shame on you Robert and others who can’t accept comments other than negativity. I see informed in-depth analyses that contribute to the debate from dokya, England, Anderson, Smith and certain of Torrance.
I thought debate meant that people with opposing views could offer their own views not just agree with each other.
Really the comments from not disappointed are lowering the tone of this site.surely NM is a forum for analysis and informed comment…not for uninformed nonsensical rants better suited to Thai Visa.
No matter how democratic you want to be; you can’t break the law.
Yingluck’s regime was just as illigitimate when it allowed peaceful demonstrators to be maimed and killed, and doing nothing about it, don’t you think?
I do those days fondly that peaceful citizens could gather to exercise their democratic rights that was until the regime’s killers statrted to lob grenades and killing and maiming those peaceful demonstrators.
I bet you remember thse days fondly too? 30 dead and hundreds maimed.
Ah, yes. Those were the days when people were allowed exercise their democratic right to protest, weren’t they? I look back upon those times fondly. Don’t you?
The Prayuth government puts a negative light on itself, throughout the international community. It is an utter embarrassment. Arresting students for a peaceful protest is ridiculously heavy-handed, reactionary and paranoid – and exposes just how thin-skinned and weak this illegitimate regime really is.
Yet little Rose never spoke up about Thaksin Shinawatra or his hooligans who were literally killing people in the streets to cling to power while they robbed the nation blind, including millions of farmers. Hmmmm.
Rose is upset about “peaceful protests” ending in arrests. But not upset when just in 2013-2014 peaceful protests ended in bloodbaths? Hmmmmm.
ANU is publishing only articles written by paid members of Thaksin Shinawatra’s lobbying effort. Hmmmm.
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Notdisappointed: “Half-truths reporting” is certainly a good way of describing this kind of New Mandala reporting, but it is more insidious than that.
This reporting takes place within the context of a major Thai Studies program at a major university with the alleged purpose of informing and teaching students about Thailand, about a wide variety of issues that the people of Thailand find important, that affect their daily lives, not indoctrinating them into a certain ideology and way of thinking, not selecting out a couple of issues like LM or student protests to the exclusion of everything else, especially real economic issues relevant to the livelihoods of Thai people.
What is even more ridiculous, is that someone pointing out this fact out above, which is trivially true (in the sense of mathematics and accuracy) gets 70 people voting it down as not being a quality comment??? How utterly worthless and hopeless, for Thai Studies that is. 🙁
Thailand’s thieves in uniform
G’s condescending tone is suspiciously like that of an official of the predatory regime, paid to pollute this web site.
Allow me to join Rose in putting the boot into the Thai monarchy. The worst offences of this despiccable regime against Thais are carried out explicitly in the monarch’s name. He has had more than enough time to disown them, yet remains silent. How could his benevolence not be a fraud?
Thailand’s thieves in uniform
Is little Rose getting paid to affix her name to eloquent venom against the Thai monarchy? Hairdressers in UK are underpaid so augmenting her income via incendiary anti-monarchy tropes that she merely sign on to is not bad at all.
On China, The Lady has no choice
Also has more Chinese rich persons than Myanmar.
Thailand’s thieves in uniform
In democracies, the state has been reformed from a coalition of predators, into something approaching a system of public welfare, emanating from public spirit of the people themselves. These achievements are never secure, and the danger of the state being taken over by interest groups, most notably capital, is always present. Thailand has made some progress, but at the moment is moving backwards. The King of Thailand represents the centuries-old predatory regime dressed-up in a fake aura of benevolence.
On China, The Lady has no choice
There are a lot more Chinese than Rohingya in Burma. Suu Kyi, and even Wirathu, knows that.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
What you forget to mention is that almost half of the 30 dead were killed by your peaceful citizens, such as 3 Red Shirts during the Ramkhamhaeng clashes, several people who were tortured and killed, etc.
And no, i do not exactly remember those days fondly due to the fact that some of your peaceful citizens assaulted me, and some others later attempted to abduct me, after many other of your peaceful citizens engaged in a vicious hate campaign against me that included also calls to murder me in fanciful and rather cruel ways.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
dok-ya and Steve CM I take your points respectively. I guess Not disappointed does indeed reveal a mindset prevalent in Thailand.Ihope for Thailand’s sake that there are many others who likewise have “woken up”
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Not generally a fan of ignoring – even conspicuously one-eyed input that’s light on evidence & heavy with hyperbolic claims/assumptions.
In any case (like others, I suspect) I fancy I’m capable of deciding for myself what’s wheat & what’s agenda-driven chaff. If nothing else, I find it provides some useful insight into a certain kind of mindset.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Robert, I beg to differ. Notdisappointed and the likes of him reveal what’s going on in Thai society. Many Thais are brainwashed from the day they were born. I’m no exception until the military illegally seized power (again?) and violated human rights of Thai people. Then I woke up.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Mate re read your own comments. They are rants….claims of millions on the streets of Bangkok….claims of how the Yingluck government massacred people on the streets. …claims that New Mandela is funded by the State Department…..
you really are making a fool of yourself. I repeat this is supposed to be a form for intelligent debate….you really aren’t up to it
Najib Razak’s gamble
During the Sabah Royal Commission of Inquiry hearings Mahathir was on the stand. He was asked how many Blue (meaning signifying citizenship) Identity Cards had been issued to illegal immigrants under Operation IC. His answer was “I did not instruct any offficer to issue IC’s to unqualified persons.” That, of course, did not answer the question. Mahathir cleverly side-stepped and answered a question not asked. I have posted then, that Mahathir was preparing his defence in case he had to defend, and that was the trial balloon.
Lawyers are trained to go for the jugular when a witness answers a question not asked because, very evidently, it is to avoid answering the question asked. But the panel and the Commissioner at the RCI sadly did not issue the “Answer the question” dictate.
Now in Mahathirisque tradition Najib said be had “never taken funds for personal gain”. Nobody asked this question. And the question, whether the said funds in the WSJ article, some US$700 million had been received into his personal account(s) he chose not to answer. His simple answers could be “I do not have any account at AmBank.” Or “I never received any such money into my AmBank account.”
So it looks like, like Mahathir, he is digging in, and preparing his defence in case it is called, and we are not going to get any quick resolution to this problem. A lot has been said that one is innocent until proven guilty, and so too that one must have clear unquestioned mandate in order to run the country. So there is talk, if Najib chooses not to step aside at least temporily, whether he can be made to move aside. One way is for UMNO to de-elect him as President. The UMNO President is the de facto Prime Minister, so he would have to go. Nobody knows if UMNO is even mulling such a move. The other is for a Motion of No Confidence either in the Executive or in Najib. But no confidence is a British gentleman’s game. There is no Statute that if a No Confidence motion is carried, resignation is mandatory. So, as I said, we must be prepared for a long walk.
Kaypohchee
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Really? And the other comments so add to the conversation?
I respond in the same tone as comments made to me.
Take a look at my post of July 6th. I make pertinent points that are unacceptable to regular NMites whose only goal is to pile on with derogatory comments and one-sided analyses.
Shame on you Robert and others who can’t accept comments other than negativity. I see informed in-depth analyses that contribute to the debate from dokya, England, Anderson, Smith and certain of Torrance.
I thought debate meant that people with opposing views could offer their own views not just agree with each other.
That would be a group rant wouldn’t it?
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Really the comments from not disappointed are lowering the tone of this site.surely NM is a forum for analysis and informed comment…not for uninformed nonsensical rants better suited to Thai Visa.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Rule of law.
No matter how democratic you want to be; you can’t break the law.
Yingluck’s regime was just as illigitimate when it allowed peaceful demonstrators to be maimed and killed, and doing nothing about it, don’t you think?
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
I do those days fondly that peaceful citizens could gather to exercise their democratic rights that was until the regime’s killers statrted to lob grenades and killing and maiming those peaceful demonstrators.
I bet you remember thse days fondly too? 30 dead and hundreds maimed.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Ah, yes. Those were the days when people were allowed exercise their democratic right to protest, weren’t they? I look back upon those times fondly. Don’t you?
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
The Prayuth government puts a negative light on itself, throughout the international community. It is an utter embarrassment. Arresting students for a peaceful protest is ridiculously heavy-handed, reactionary and paranoid – and exposes just how thin-skinned and weak this illegitimate regime really is.
Thailand’s thieves in uniform
Yet little Rose never spoke up about Thaksin Shinawatra or his hooligans who were literally killing people in the streets to cling to power while they robbed the nation blind, including millions of farmers. Hmmmm.
Rose is upset about “peaceful protests” ending in arrests. But not upset when just in 2013-2014 peaceful protests ended in bloodbaths? Hmmmmm.
ANU is publishing only articles written by paid members of Thaksin Shinawatra’s lobbying effort. Hmmmm.
Solidarity with imprisoned Thai students
Care to put a figure on just how many “millions” – and produce any credible support for that all-too-familiar PDRC claim (“fact” as you call it)?