Indigenous Rakhine are voiceless with apathy from western media and international organizations as their history is being re-written and reshaped by outsiders’ right before their very own eyes. Few western journalists have ever reported on the issue without bias. On the other hand, the political wing of the Islamic Rohingya Terrorists and their supporters have been waging a relentless propaganda war since 1940s, and finding unquestionable acceptance from western media. The terrorists have used their vast resources and donations from middle-east countries to acquire fake human rights organizations, buy up media and produce yellow journalism. They have established offices in London, Istanbul, Jeddah, and Bangkok. The attempts by western governments in 1990s, for a regime change in Myanmar undoubtedly played a negative impact on Rakhine as well.
Arakan Human Rights and Development Organisation (AHRDO) have been following the developments in Rakhine state and following interviews with local people and extensive ground-work published a 150 -page report titled “CONFLICT & VIOLENCE IN ARAKAN (RAKHINE) STATE, MYANMAR (BURMA)”. Click on the link below to see the report http://www.scribd.com/doc/157485834/Arakan-Violence-Report-by-AHRDO
Among other things this report provides details of training of Islamic Rohingya Terrorists by Al Qaeda and Taliban, exposes the storage of arms at Islamic school and found evidence of hate-filled prayers to demonize and destroy non-muslims. The report describes the state sponsored terrorism, i.e. murder, rape of Buddhists often in plain sight of security forces in Bangladesh and driving them of their ancestral homeland, particularly in the Chittagong Hill Tracts area. The report also shows that conflict in Arakan has been mis-identified, and assumptions have been made which are – in objective reality – quite erroneous. And that there is a massive amount of manipulative and fraudulent media which has vilified and demonized the real victims of this conflict – the indigenous Rakhine Buddhist people.
A 2011 Government of Bangladesh report stated that there are at least 70 different Islamic terrorist organizations operating in the country including the Islamic Rohingya Terrorists. http://www.scribd.com/doc/215209705/Understanding-Religious-Militancy-and-Terrorism-in-Bangladesh To limit the operations of Islamic Rohingya Terrorists, the Government of Bangladesh has taken the unusual step of passing a law making it unlawful for Bangladesh citizens to marry anyone identified as “Rohingya” even though they are muslims and speak the same Bengali language.
Islamic terrorism in Myanmar as in Nigeria by Boko Haram, Iraq and Syria by ISIS is an ideological warfare. There are no other groups in the 21st Century that will behead someone for difference in religious believe and take young school girls as sex slaves. In Rakhine state, girls as young as six have been raped and murdered. To understand this ideology read http://www.scribd.com/doc/176865740/Behind-Islamic-Terrorism-in-Myanmar
i based my assessment that Dr Surakiart and been purged on the following: the President of Chula is a strong supporter of the current regime; Chula Deans are appointed by the King; about 12 months ago a new Dean with little administrative experience replaced a popular Dean who had introduced many reforms; Dr Surakiart’s former role as a Foreign Minister under Thaksin despite his royalist connections; the lack of explanation given for his removal. I have now been told (perhaps as a result of New Mandala) that his departure has more to do with personal conflicts than political. As this recent advice is from a trusted source it seems I have been wrong. My apologies to all – but there may be instances of political removal of academics.
Thanks, Nich. The herd instinct is pretty much the same anywhere. Wish I could say the same about governments notwithstanding what they say about how politics is a dirty business and patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel etc., since it does look like some are more Machiavellian than others.
Roj is right, all the crazy corrupt noir stuff going on in Thailand is the evil Thaksin’s fault…even inside the military, the police, among the billionaire class, in the Hi-So Thai-Chinese nest, in all those corrupt Civil Service offices…it’s all Thaksin….if only we could get rid of Thaksin, the bright sun will shine on Thailand and everything will be great!
Why would you think that it has anything to do with the ongoing pro-coup vs. anti-coup conflict? It might be unrelated. Where can I find more about this Surakiart story?
I have read the article. Give one a sense of ‘hopelessness’.
In Myanmar it is the ‘immigration and ROL’that might be part of the solution, so far behind that religion takes priority over anything else.
Let us hope the recent rather successful census will follow with more ROL. As in the persecution of rioters in Mandalay.
ROL development will be the priority in Myanmar.
May be “too little too late” if one follow the news in the Middle East and realize the possibility of Islamist within the borders of Myanmar under the guise of protecting the Rohingyas.
Wow! It turns out that I wrote this “to provide cover for jihadi terror by the muslims”! This utter nonsense could be funny in another context, but this kind of hate speech is actually leading to killings in Burma, so it’s not funny at all.
Some interesting discussion here. Earlier in the year I wrote a short essay that sought to put religious conflict in Myanmar in the appropriate Bangladeshi context. My worry is that all sides don’t spend enough time trying to learn about conditions elsewhere.
This essay was published in both Myanmar and Bangladesh in May 2014. For the Myanmar Times version see here.
Another conspiracy theorist. It seems you guys are very happy to describe Bangladesh as hell. Actually, Myanmar is hell. And Myanmar is sinking into fundamentalist Buddhist ideology spread by 969,Mabatha and Buddhist monks in Rakhine and elsewhere. Don’t think Myanmar is heaven, mate! Everyone knows how hellish it is!
Yeah Yeah… Everything in Rakhine is owned by Rakhines. Names, land, resources,… everything… Rohingya is name for Rakhines as well… It seems Rakhines should change their names into Rohingya as well.
Shwe Byan! Since 9/11, you guys started arguing that Muslims of Myanmar have terrorized Myanmar. But I am afraid there’s no evidence of it yet. What exists is speculations by Bertil Linter and a few others of the possible link between Rohingya armed groups and the international jihadist network. And no Muslims in Rakhine or elsewhere in Myanmar have ever committed terror or violence. Actually, what has been happening over the last half of the twentieth century in Myanmar is the fightings between the Burmese army and ethnic insurgents.
After 9/11, you guys got a very reason to delegitimize Rohingya. And actually we don’t have fundamentalist Muslim terrorists but fundamentalist Buddhist terrorists who are spreading hate messages and terrorizing Muslims in Rakhine and other parts of Myanmar. Muslims of Myanmar have been living in terror over the last couple of years because even a small quarrel could spark a riot. When Buddhists terrorize Muslims, it is self-defence. When Muslims do something or respond, it is terrorism. Come on! You guys are being too defensive!
I suggest that Thailand’s military government have a good look at Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, with a view to banning it.
The main theme of Chapter 5 is the decline of civil government from about 180, brought about by the monarchy-military alliance. From 193, governments changed rapidly in a series of coups that developed into continual civil war, punctuated by brief stable periods.
During an early one of these, the reign of Septimus Severus, the emperor finally shifted his power base unambiguously from the Senate to the army. The last sentence of the chapter reads: “Posterity, who experienced the fatal effects of his maxims and example, justly considered him as the principal author of the decline of the Roman Empire”.
On one hand, PDRC key players are chatting away in seminar against PTT on energy reform. On the other, academics are stop from starting a seminar about dictator in another country.
To detain academics for accusation of belief against the Junta on action they have not yet committed. Why does no one calling out “Thoughtcrime” yet?
If Thai people does not reach a tipping point, then they do not deserve democracy as their form of government.
Yes he is royally connected – which makes his sacking more interesting – I have not been able to find out why – his academic credentials are very good.
Not only did they try and de-Indianize their origins they tried to re-Indianize by seeking the three townships that they had ethnic cleansed of the Rakhine to be subsumed into East Pakistan. In fact we have now witnessed a persistent attempt at usurping the Arakanese Muslim identity by this historically Johnny-come-lately group to the dismay and resentment, nay detriment, of the older communities that have not shown any aggressive territorial or proselytizing ambitions.
Their explicit aim was to establish a caliphate just like the ISIS today.
When the generals managed to come up with as many as 135 indigenous races it’s not like they were deliberately skimping on the numbers, were they? The odd one out is just that uniquely predatory.
Bangladesh is 3X more populous and 5X less area than Myanmar.
With unsustainable economy, education and health care.
Sinking literally and figuratively under it own weight of Islamic ideology. A perennially failing state ONE major incidence away from disaster.
The West, UN and anyone with any geopolitical sense, and yes, the SPDC can see it coming.
Easiest way to ease this looming disaster is allowing Bangladesh to expand by 1/3 such as having Yakhine as the addition.
In order to justify the expansion:
1) Legitimization of existing Islamic Kalars population as unique and therefore has the rights.
2) Support this population with means that will eventual create the easing of Bangladesh looming human disaster.
3) Vilify anyone opposing and brain washing other with humanitarian incidences.
Myanmar ruling government and even DASSK is on to this geopolitical undertaking.
Making all citizens of Indian descendant as Bama_Kalar will solve this problem.
As for those Kalar in Yakhine who persist on being whatever they want to be called other than a citizen of Myanmar i.e. Bama_Kalar, there is no MULTICULTURALISM or such in Myanmar.
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Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Indigenous Rakhine are voiceless with apathy from western media and international organizations as their history is being re-written and reshaped by outsiders’ right before their very own eyes. Few western journalists have ever reported on the issue without bias. On the other hand, the political wing of the Islamic Rohingya Terrorists and their supporters have been waging a relentless propaganda war since 1940s, and finding unquestionable acceptance from western media. The terrorists have used their vast resources and donations from middle-east countries to acquire fake human rights organizations, buy up media and produce yellow journalism. They have established offices in London, Istanbul, Jeddah, and Bangkok. The attempts by western governments in 1990s, for a regime change in Myanmar undoubtedly played a negative impact on Rakhine as well.
Arakan Human Rights and Development Organisation (AHRDO) have been following the developments in Rakhine state and following interviews with local people and extensive ground-work published a 150 -page report titled “CONFLICT & VIOLENCE IN ARAKAN (RAKHINE) STATE, MYANMAR (BURMA)”. Click on the link below to see the report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/157485834/Arakan-Violence-Report-by-AHRDO
Among other things this report provides details of training of Islamic Rohingya Terrorists by Al Qaeda and Taliban, exposes the storage of arms at Islamic school and found evidence of hate-filled prayers to demonize and destroy non-muslims. The report describes the state sponsored terrorism, i.e. murder, rape of Buddhists often in plain sight of security forces in Bangladesh and driving them of their ancestral homeland, particularly in the Chittagong Hill Tracts area. The report also shows that conflict in Arakan has been mis-identified, and assumptions have been made which are – in objective reality – quite erroneous. And that there is a massive amount of manipulative and fraudulent media which has vilified and demonized the real victims of this conflict – the indigenous Rakhine Buddhist people.
A 2011 Government of Bangladesh report stated that there are at least 70 different Islamic terrorist organizations operating in the country including the Islamic Rohingya Terrorists. http://www.scribd.com/doc/215209705/Understanding-Religious-Militancy-and-Terrorism-in-Bangladesh To limit the operations of Islamic Rohingya Terrorists, the Government of Bangladesh has taken the unusual step of passing a law making it unlawful for Bangladesh citizens to marry anyone identified as “Rohingya” even though they are muslims and speak the same Bengali language.
Islamic terrorism in Myanmar as in Nigeria by Boko Haram, Iraq and Syria by ISIS is an ideological warfare. There are no other groups in the 21st Century that will behead someone for difference in religious believe and take young school girls as sex slaves. In Rakhine state, girls as young as six have been raped and murdered. To understand this ideology read
http://www.scribd.com/doc/176865740/Behind-Islamic-Terrorism-in-Myanmar
Law and irony in Thailand
i based my assessment that Dr Surakiart and been purged on the following: the President of Chula is a strong supporter of the current regime; Chula Deans are appointed by the King; about 12 months ago a new Dean with little administrative experience replaced a popular Dean who had introduced many reforms; Dr Surakiart’s former role as a Foreign Minister under Thaksin despite his royalist connections; the lack of explanation given for his removal. I have now been told (perhaps as a result of New Mandala) that his departure has more to do with personal conflicts than political. As this recent advice is from a trusted source it seems I have been wrong. My apologies to all – but there may be instances of political removal of academics.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Thanks, Nich. The herd instinct is pretty much the same anywhere. Wish I could say the same about governments notwithstanding what they say about how politics is a dirty business and patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel etc., since it does look like some are more Machiavellian than others.
Captain Nat and the wheels of Thai justice
Roj is right, all the crazy corrupt noir stuff going on in Thailand is the evil Thaksin’s fault…even inside the military, the police, among the billionaire class, in the Hi-So Thai-Chinese nest, in all those corrupt Civil Service offices…it’s all Thaksin….if only we could get rid of Thaksin, the bright sun will shine on Thailand and everything will be great!
Law and irony in Thailand
Why would you think that it has anything to do with the ongoing pro-coup vs. anti-coup conflict? It might be unrelated. Where can I find more about this Surakiart story?
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Nick
I have read the article. Give one a sense of ‘hopelessness’.
In Myanmar it is the ‘immigration and ROL’that might be part of the solution, so far behind that religion takes priority over anything else.
Let us hope the recent rather successful census will follow with more ROL. As in the persecution of rioters in Mandalay.
ROL development will be the priority in Myanmar.
May be “too little too late” if one follow the news in the Middle East and realize the possibility of Islamist within the borders of Myanmar under the guise of protecting the Rohingyas.
Captain Nat and the wheels of Thai justice
The inspiration for Captain Nat’s (and his gang) rampage was Thaksin’s ‘war on drugs’.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Wow! It turns out that I wrote this “to provide cover for jihadi terror by the muslims”! This utter nonsense could be funny in another context, but this kind of hate speech is actually leading to killings in Burma, so it’s not funny at all.
The Laksi gunfight
Akaew Sae Liew, the elderly man paralyzed during the clash, died today:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/434201/feb-popcorn-gunman-victim-dies
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Some interesting discussion here. Earlier in the year I wrote a short essay that sought to put religious conflict in Myanmar in the appropriate Bangladeshi context. My worry is that all sides don’t spend enough time trying to learn about conditions elsewhere.
This essay was published in both Myanmar and Bangladesh in May 2014. For the Myanmar Times version see here.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Another conspiracy theorist. It seems you guys are very happy to describe Bangladesh as hell. Actually, Myanmar is hell. And Myanmar is sinking into fundamentalist Buddhist ideology spread by 969,Mabatha and Buddhist monks in Rakhine and elsewhere. Don’t think Myanmar is heaven, mate! Everyone knows how hellish it is!
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Yeah Yeah… Everything in Rakhine is owned by Rakhines. Names, land, resources,… everything… Rohingya is name for Rakhines as well… It seems Rakhines should change their names into Rohingya as well.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Shwe Byan! Your theories about Bangladesh, RSO, etc. are conspiracies at best and hate messages at worst.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Shwe Byan! Since 9/11, you guys started arguing that Muslims of Myanmar have terrorized Myanmar. But I am afraid there’s no evidence of it yet. What exists is speculations by Bertil Linter and a few others of the possible link between Rohingya armed groups and the international jihadist network. And no Muslims in Rakhine or elsewhere in Myanmar have ever committed terror or violence. Actually, what has been happening over the last half of the twentieth century in Myanmar is the fightings between the Burmese army and ethnic insurgents.
After 9/11, you guys got a very reason to delegitimize Rohingya. And actually we don’t have fundamentalist Muslim terrorists but fundamentalist Buddhist terrorists who are spreading hate messages and terrorizing Muslims in Rakhine and other parts of Myanmar. Muslims of Myanmar have been living in terror over the last couple of years because even a small quarrel could spark a riot. When Buddhists terrorize Muslims, it is self-defence. When Muslims do something or respond, it is terrorism. Come on! You guys are being too defensive!
Law and irony in Thailand
I suggest that Thailand’s military government have a good look at Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, with a view to banning it.
The main theme of Chapter 5 is the decline of civil government from about 180, brought about by the monarchy-military alliance. From 193, governments changed rapidly in a series of coups that developed into continual civil war, punctuated by brief stable periods.
During an early one of these, the reign of Septimus Severus, the emperor finally shifted his power base unambiguously from the Senate to the army. The last sentence of the chapter reads: “Posterity, who experienced the fatal effects of his maxims and example, justly considered him as the principal author of the decline of the Roman Empire”.
Law and irony in Thailand
On one hand, PDRC key players are chatting away in seminar against PTT on energy reform. On the other, academics are stop from starting a seminar about dictator in another country.
To detain academics for accusation of belief against the Junta on action they have not yet committed. Why does no one calling out “Thoughtcrime” yet?
If Thai people does not reach a tipping point, then they do not deserve democracy as their form of government.
Law and irony in Thailand
Yes he is royally connected – which makes his sacking more interesting – I have not been able to find out why – his academic credentials are very good.
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Not only did they try and de-Indianize their origins they tried to re-Indianize by seeking the three townships that they had ethnic cleansed of the Rakhine to be subsumed into East Pakistan. In fact we have now witnessed a persistent attempt at usurping the Arakanese Muslim identity by this historically Johnny-come-lately group to the dismay and resentment, nay detriment, of the older communities that have not shown any aggressive territorial or proselytizing ambitions.
Their explicit aim was to establish a caliphate just like the ISIS today.
When the generals managed to come up with as many as 135 indigenous races it’s not like they were deliberately skimping on the numbers, were they? The odd one out is just that uniquely predatory.
Law and irony in Thailand
I thought Surakiart was a “royally connected” (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-091213.html) “member of the pro-coup conservative Thai establishment” (http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/4297). Then why was he sacked?
Rohingya and national identities in Burma
Bangladesh is 3X more populous and 5X less area than Myanmar.
With unsustainable economy, education and health care.
Sinking literally and figuratively under it own weight of Islamic ideology. A perennially failing state ONE major incidence away from disaster.
The West, UN and anyone with any geopolitical sense, and yes, the SPDC can see it coming.
Easiest way to ease this looming disaster is allowing Bangladesh to expand by 1/3 such as having Yakhine as the addition.
In order to justify the expansion:
1) Legitimization of existing Islamic Kalars population as unique and therefore has the rights.
2) Support this population with means that will eventual create the easing of Bangladesh looming human disaster.
3) Vilify anyone opposing and brain washing other with humanitarian incidences.
Myanmar ruling government and even DASSK is on to this geopolitical undertaking.
Making all citizens of Indian descendant as Bama_Kalar will solve this problem.
As for those Kalar in Yakhine who persist on being whatever they want to be called other than a citizen of Myanmar i.e. Bama_Kalar, there is no MULTICULTURALISM or such in Myanmar.