This is an awesome article. Something else it reminds me of is that part of the shock and horror associated with Pol Pot in Cambodia is that they – gasp – attacked teachers, who in the common mindset are as unquestionably virtuous as priests (and we all know what they are like, recent news in Australia attests to that). I am always trying to tell people that perhaps they had reason to. They correctly identified some of the key agents of ‘the Matrix’, responsible for prolonging tyranny and oppression. And, furthermore, who made everyone bow and scrape to them for doing the same. No wonder they were hated.
Zayyar was right in saying that when it’s down to brass tacks, our generals are neither nationalist nor religious, since their actions have spoken louder than their words, and like Ted Honderich famously concluded about conservatism, it is not that they are selfish, it is that they are nothing else. These things are basically a means to an end in aid of their “organised selfishness”.
Unlike Ohn so far as toch is concerned the West can do no wrong, quite on the contrary a knight in shining armour, whereas to our other compatriot plan B they are merely “useless careless” like the Vietnam War was a mistake and noble intentions gone wrong never the result of careful deliberation.
Hasn’t the Lady outlived her usefulness to both the West and the generals since they have achieved détente? One reconciliation more important than others, perhaps the only important reconciliation to the elites, and going through the motions for the rest merely a means to that end.
A calculated risk was taken in suspending the Myitsone dam project to that end. The trade off appears to have been the Shwe Gas pipe lines, not just Letpadaung, to keep the Chinese sufficiently happy.
These generals will do business with anyone to help them continue to plunder the country and keep an entire nation down but don’t kid yourselves that they are beholden to anyone. That’s where they show their nationalism.
Burma had been colonised by the Bengalis in the west and the Chinese in the east (that came to be known as the Kokang substate) under the watch of the colonial rulers, so it’s not a new phenomenon. Only it has continued to happen during the reign of our own native rulers with grandiose delusions in Rangoon and now an even worse case of that calling their new capital Naypyidaw with no sense of embarrassment or irony. People are not stupid. They know the generals can never be part of the solution. They are the problem.
Org2 yg mendukung capres tertentu itu,mmg hrsnya direvolusi mentalnya.krn ga bs menganalisa mana org baik dan mana yg tdk baik. siapa yg ambisi utk mengejar kekuasaan dgn mengorbankan dan menghalakan sgala cara dan mengorbankan harta utk berkuasa??
Malay Royalty may have been told that they were “Tuans”, along with the British Colonial Administration, but certainly poor rural Malays were told, they were simpletons. Later, the elite (Tuan) Malays took over from the British and, today, we have the non-Malays being told to get lost (“Pendatang”). This Khaliff chap obviously has a chip the size of KL on his shoulder.
Most of us who voted for Jokowi did so because we weare getting sick and tired of the arrogance, pomp and corruption that was typical for the regimes that we had for several decades. We were in bitter need for change. Seeing what Jokowi did in Solo and in the two years for Jakarta showed us a leadership style that was new that gave positive results although it was actually a time span too short to be able for him to deliver overall success. Therefore; “Salam Dua Jari” (A two fingered greeting also for VICTORY)
The Buddhists of Myanmar & Srilanka forgot the teachings of Buddhha and adopted the path of violence. The Genocide of minority Muslims by Myanmar Army & Buddhist Extremists is contrary to the democratic transition and economic and social development that Myanmar, the second poorest country of Asia, is committed to. The United Nations & World Civil Societies should come forward to stop this violence and heinous crime against Humanity.
In the case of MD3, the issue was pushed to a vote (a very rare occurrence). Actually the MD3 opponents (PDIP, PKB and Hanura) staged a walkout before the vote was formally taken so only the parties who supported MD3 remained in the chamber.
The large number of tiny parties has decreased, mostly because of the threshold introduced in 2009. But they never really counted in terms of voter support or in terms of their power in the DPR. The increase in the number of significant parties is the issue. It is these parties that reflect the fragmentation of the electorate and the consequent fragmentation of the DPR. This in turn has increased the number of veto players.
Hang, borrowing meme is just the author’s endearing way of acknowledging that I was right all along. He can’t spell his ebonics though, it should be ‘we WUZ robbed.’
It’s fun isn’t it, watching ANU promoting one set of conspiracy theories while decrying another’s.
Well,
I check in official site KPU and look at DB1 recapitulation for Jakarta and I couldn’t find any indication of those claim.
If there was such anomaly, it wouldn’t be as massive as they claimed so there was no need to repeat vote in 5800 site (TPS), which was nearly a half of the number of election sites in Jakarta.
Burmese people migrate to Australia due to conflict in Burma between the Muslims and and Buddhists. There is a current humanitarian crisis involving ethnic cleansing. Burmese people essentially come to Australia to escape civil war.
R.N.: Interesting comments. I just asked the EU if it can comment on the time coming when Thailand claims to have restored democracy but it is clearly B.S. Let’s see if the EU answers.
Here’s a bit of background on the phrase. To my ear, at least in Australian English, it is most often used in ironic cases. I think you’d agree it’s a handy deployment here.
Amen for the facts, and lament to most online mass media these days, who almost never publish meaty articles in favour of short snippets with bombastic titles for getting more clicks. I’m all for letting Prabowo get his constitutional right of taking election disputes to MK, but his team’s annoying media ruckus is nothing but throwing accusations in hopes of influencing people, fracturing the nation’s unity even more, when it’s already fragile due to campaign antics (of both sides). Just the facts, please!
One nuance I don’t quite get though–pardon this non-native English speaker–is why you use ‘was’ in the title instead of ‘were’. Is it to say the ‘we’ used is the ‘royal we’?
Thanks Ken, now found that article – don’t know why I missed it first time around.
Thanks also to William, for the info.
The figures are very interesting. Prabowo did quite well in parts of Sumatra and in West Java, but Jokowi’s strength elsewhere in Java, where so many votes are, was probably decisive. He also won East Indonesia pretty handily.
Whatever you say about Prabowo, he ran an effective campaign. I don’t know if anyone expected him to get so close.
Alas, a strong part of the effectiveness was US Republican-style low-road tactics. Note that he won several strongly Muslim provinces, Aceh, West Sumatra and West Java. Was this a product of the “Jokowi is not a Muslim” scare campaign? No doubt the analysts are onto that.
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Confused Thai Educators
This is an awesome article. Something else it reminds me of is that part of the shock and horror associated with Pol Pot in Cambodia is that they – gasp – attacked teachers, who in the common mindset are as unquestionably virtuous as priests (and we all know what they are like, recent news in Australia attests to that). I am always trying to tell people that perhaps they had reason to. They correctly identified some of the key agents of ‘the Matrix’, responsible for prolonging tyranny and oppression. And, furthermore, who made everyone bow and scrape to them for doing the same. No wonder they were hated.
Sectarian conflict in Mandalay
Zayyar was right in saying that when it’s down to brass tacks, our generals are neither nationalist nor religious, since their actions have spoken louder than their words, and like Ted Honderich famously concluded about conservatism, it is not that they are selfish, it is that they are nothing else. These things are basically a means to an end in aid of their “organised selfishness”.
Unlike Ohn so far as toch is concerned the West can do no wrong, quite on the contrary a knight in shining armour, whereas to our other compatriot plan B they are merely “useless careless” like the Vietnam War was a mistake and noble intentions gone wrong never the result of careful deliberation.
Hasn’t the Lady outlived her usefulness to both the West and the generals since they have achieved détente? One reconciliation more important than others, perhaps the only important reconciliation to the elites, and going through the motions for the rest merely a means to that end.
A calculated risk was taken in suspending the Myitsone dam project to that end. The trade off appears to have been the Shwe Gas pipe lines, not just Letpadaung, to keep the Chinese sufficiently happy.
These generals will do business with anyone to help them continue to plunder the country and keep an entire nation down but don’t kid yourselves that they are beholden to anyone. That’s where they show their nationalism.
Burma had been colonised by the Bengalis in the west and the Chinese in the east (that came to be known as the Kokang substate) under the watch of the colonial rulers, so it’s not a new phenomenon. Only it has continued to happen during the reign of our own native rulers with grandiose delusions in Rangoon and now an even worse case of that calling their new capital Naypyidaw with no sense of embarrassment or irony. People are not stupid. They know the generals can never be part of the solution. They are the problem.
Taktik Permainan Prabowo
Org2 yg mendukung capres tertentu itu,mmg hrsnya direvolusi mentalnya.krn ga bs menganalisa mana org baik dan mana yg tdk baik. siapa yg ambisi utk mengejar kekuasaan dgn mengorbankan dan menghalakan sgala cara dan mengorbankan harta utk berkuasa??
Malaysia: A discourse-impoverished society
Malay Royalty may have been told that they were “Tuans”, along with the British Colonial Administration, but certainly poor rural Malays were told, they were simpletons. Later, the elite (Tuan) Malays took over from the British and, today, we have the non-Malays being told to get lost (“Pendatang”). This Khaliff chap obviously has a chip the size of KL on his shoulder.
Jokowi win good for Australia
Most of us who voted for Jokowi did so because we weare getting sick and tired of the arrogance, pomp and corruption that was typical for the regimes that we had for several decades. We were in bitter need for change. Seeing what Jokowi did in Solo and in the two years for Jakarta showed us a leadership style that was new that gave positive results although it was actually a time span too short to be able for him to deliver overall success. Therefore; “Salam Dua Jari” (A two fingered greeting also for VICTORY)
How Papua voted
This kind of voting, pose a danger of manipulation
Causes of intolerance and prejudice in Buddhism
The Buddhists of Myanmar & Srilanka forgot the teachings of Buddhha and adopted the path of violence. The Genocide of minority Muslims by Myanmar Army & Buddhist Extremists is contrary to the democratic transition and economic and social development that Myanmar, the second poorest country of Asia, is committed to. The United Nations & World Civil Societies should come forward to stop this violence and heinous crime against Humanity.
House of Cards Part 2
In the case of MD3, the issue was pushed to a vote (a very rare occurrence). Actually the MD3 opponents (PDIP, PKB and Hanura) staged a walkout before the vote was formally taken so only the parties who supported MD3 remained in the chamber.
House of Cards Part 2
The large number of tiny parties has decreased, mostly because of the threshold introduced in 2009. But they never really counted in terms of voter support or in terms of their power in the DPR. The increase in the number of significant parties is the issue. It is these parties that reflect the fragmentation of the electorate and the consequent fragmentation of the DPR. This in turn has increased the number of veto players.
We was robbed
Hang, borrowing meme is just the author’s endearing way of acknowledging that I was right all along. He can’t spell his ebonics though, it should be ‘we WUZ robbed.’
It’s fun isn’t it, watching ANU promoting one set of conspiracy theories while decrying another’s.
Prabowo continues to follow the Whitlam playbook.
We was robbed
Well,
I check in official site KPU and look at DB1 recapitulation for Jakarta and I couldn’t find any indication of those claim.
If there was such anomaly, it wouldn’t be as massive as they claimed so there was no need to repeat vote in 5800 site (TPS), which was nearly a half of the number of election sites in Jakarta.
Study of Burmese migrant experiences in Australia
Burmese people migrate to Australia due to conflict in Burma between the Muslims and and Buddhists. There is a current humanitarian crisis involving ethnic cleansing. Burmese people essentially come to Australia to escape civil war.
We was robbed
“We was robbed” ? Is Prabowo an Honourary Citizen of Alabama ?
Thailand’s coup: same same but different?
R.N.: Interesting comments. I just asked the EU if it can comment on the time coming when Thailand claims to have restored democracy but it is clearly B.S. Let’s see if the EU answers.
Jokowi win good for Australia
Jokowi win good for Prabowo; bring his hubris down a few notches.
We was robbed
Hi D,
Here’s a bit of background on the phrase. To my ear, at least in Australian English, it is most often used in ironic cases. I think you’d agree it’s a handy deployment here.
Best wishes to all,
Nich
We was robbed
Amen for the facts, and lament to most online mass media these days, who almost never publish meaty articles in favour of short snippets with bombastic titles for getting more clicks. I’m all for letting Prabowo get his constitutional right of taking election disputes to MK, but his team’s annoying media ruckus is nothing but throwing accusations in hopes of influencing people, fracturing the nation’s unity even more, when it’s already fragile due to campaign antics (of both sides). Just the facts, please!
One nuance I don’t quite get though–pardon this non-native English speaker–is why you use ‘was’ in the title instead of ‘were’. Is it to say the ‘we’ used is the ‘royal we’?
Jokowi vs Prabowo: tight-run race a turning point
John, if you use Twitter, @indobrief has been tweeting basic graphics showing the results by province.
Jokowi vs Prabowo: tight-run race a turning point
[…] ANU’s @EdwardAspinall and @MarcusMietzner say the results are a boost to Indonesian democracy. […]
Jokowi vs Prabowo: tight-run race a turning point
Thanks Ken, now found that article – don’t know why I missed it first time around.
Thanks also to William, for the info.
The figures are very interesting. Prabowo did quite well in parts of Sumatra and in West Java, but Jokowi’s strength elsewhere in Java, where so many votes are, was probably decisive. He also won East Indonesia pretty handily.
Whatever you say about Prabowo, he ran an effective campaign. I don’t know if anyone expected him to get so close.
Alas, a strong part of the effectiveness was US Republican-style low-road tactics. Note that he won several strongly Muslim provinces, Aceh, West Sumatra and West Java. Was this a product of the “Jokowi is not a Muslim” scare campaign? No doubt the analysts are onto that.